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  • Shap
    Confirmed User
    • May 2001
    • 8313

    #1

    Ibill Loses European Visas

    Hi Guys. Was reading the Intercept quarterly report and saw some real interesting stuff.

    The one thing that may interest some of you here is the following:


    "Additionally, we are not able to acquire transactions on behalf of foreign sponsored merchants, unless the transaction is from an acquirer within the sponsored merchant's region. We have established relationships with a foreign bank to serve as iBill's acquiring bank. If we fail to comply with the new Visa rule, Visa may fine our acquiring bank, which will in turn seek indemnification from us. We were notified on Wednesday, May 14, 2003 that our acquiring bank plans to suspend our Visa account on Friday, May 16, allegedly due to our failure to comply with applicable Visa rules. We believe we are in compliance with those Visa rules. This action, if it occurs, will effectively terminate our ability to process Visa transactions in Europe. Those transactions contribute approximately 4-6% of our aggregate merchant processing revenues. We have urged representatives of the bank to withdraw this threat. Although we intend to pursue all available legal remedies for this action, we cannot as a practical matter replace the acquiring bank in this time frame, and we could lose a majority, if not all, of the revenues from our Visa transactions in Europe if the bank follows through with its threatened action. "


    Here's the url where i got it from
    http://biz.yahoo.com/e/030515/icpt10-q.html
  • jact
    Confirmed User
    • Sep 2002
    • 9134

    #2
    Damn.
    Free agent

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    • KRL
      Entrepreneur
      • Oct 2002
      • 31429

      #3
      Not good. Not good at all. Damn, the noose tightens again.
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      • Danielle
        Confirmed User
        • Jun 2002
        • 1227

        #4
        Not good at all.

        Glad we use http://www.geobucks.com and http://www.trafficassistant.com

        I'll just set a redirect for all European traffic headed to a iBill sponsor for now. That way I'll still make good money off of the traffic iBill can't bill for now.

        Hugs,
        Danielle

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        • DyannaDoes
          Confirmed User
          • Aug 2002
          • 212

          #5
          How shocking . . . LOL

          Long time no see, Shap.
          "Profanity is the inevitable linguistic crutch of the inarticulate motherfucker."

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            • May 2002
            • 19422

            #6
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            • quiet
              we'll miss you our friend. RIP
              • Sep 2001
              • 25115

              #7
              jesus
              we'll miss you our friend. RIP

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              • AWW - Kevin
                Confirmed User
                • Jan 2002
                • 2353

                #8
                not good


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                • m0rph3us
                  Confirmed User
                  • Mar 2001
                  • 2033

                  #9
                  the idiocy is blinding..


                  IBILL thought they were smarter than VISA and let a bunch of sponsored merchants under the table that didn't have an actual presence in the region and now they are bitching. BAH. Serves them right for being fucking idiots and jeopardizing every other EU client.
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                  • Paul Markham
                    Too old to care
                    • Jun 2001
                    • 52942

                    #10
                    When are we going to hear something good about IBill?

                    Besides Lensamn saying they are great.

                    Glad we signed up with Epassporte.



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                    • jact
                      Confirmed User
                      • Sep 2002
                      • 9134

                      #11
                      Originally posted by charly
                      When are we going to hear something good about IBill?

                      Besides Lensamn saying they are great.

                      Glad we signed up with Epassporte.
                      Epassporte is great, but it doesn't cover you for all your clients, unfortunately. Epassporte is a great as long as you have a (or several) backup processors.
                      Free agent

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                      • KRL
                        Entrepreneur
                        • Oct 2002
                        • 31429

                        #12
                        Wouldn't you just love to send Mickey and Mallory to Visa's corporate headquarters!

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                        • jact
                          Confirmed User
                          • Sep 2002
                          • 9134

                          #13
                          Originally posted by KRL
                          Wouldn't you just love to send Mickey and Mallory to Visa's corporate headquarters!

                          One word. YES.
                          Free agent

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                          • m0rph3us
                            Confirmed User
                            • Mar 2001
                            • 2033

                            #14
                            Originally posted by KRL
                            Wouldn't you just love to send Mickey and Mallory to Visa's corporate headquarters!

                            sorry KRL, but how is this VISA's fault? They laid out the rules last year. IBILL chose to try to go around some of them:

                            http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/showth...t=IBILL+region

                            Therefore, effective May 22, 2003, iBill Europe will only offer Visa credit card payment services to those merchants based in the European Region.

                            http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/showth...t=IBILL+region


                            Well what the hell were non EU webmasters doing processing in EU in the first place after cross border aquisition rules were in place ?
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                            • adonis
                              Confirmed User
                              • Oct 2002
                              • 231

                              #15
                              What if we switch to Visa USA? Do we still lose Visa rebills?
                              I have still a US company which I setup in November crisis.

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                              • quiet
                                we'll miss you our friend. RIP
                                • Sep 2001
                                • 25115

                                #16
                                Originally posted by m0rph3us


                                sorry KRL, but how is this VISA's fault? They laid out the rules last year. IBILL chose to try to go around some of them:

                                http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/showth...t=IBILL+region

                                Therefore, effective May 22, 2003, iBill Europe will only offer Visa credit card payment services to those merchants based in the European Region.

                                http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/showth...t=IBILL+region


                                Well what the hell were non EU webmasters doing processing in EU in the first place after cross border aquisition rules were in place ?
                                so? the fact that ALL E.U. visa subscriptions/rebills will be lost for everyone who deals with ibill sucks for everyone. period.

                                the may 22 thing makes sense. this does not.
                                we'll miss you our friend. RIP

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                                • KRL
                                  Entrepreneur
                                  • Oct 2002
                                  • 31429

                                  #17
                                  Come on everyone keep your spirits up. It'll all be ok. Things always work out. I can tell its going to be another rainy day on GFY with this wonderful news.

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                                  • adonis
                                    Confirmed User
                                    • Oct 2002
                                    • 231

                                    #18
                                    Yesterday, after several hours full of signup, there is zero Ibill signups for 6 hours (Thu. 20pm - Fri. 02am EST)

                                    This is more than bad luck, there must be something related with this Visa problem... How about your sales between these hours? Especially from Visa EU..

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                                    • KRL
                                      Entrepreneur
                                      • Oct 2002
                                      • 31429

                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by adonis
                                      Yesterday, after several hours full of signup, there is zero Ibill signups for 6 hours (Thu. 20pm - Fri. 02am EST)

                                      This is more than bad luck, there must be something related with this Visa problem... How about your sales between these hours? Especially from Visa EU..
                                      I feel we need a song courtesy of 60's rock group Blood, Sweat, & Tears.

                                      Last edited by Lensman; 05-16-2003, 09:46 AM.
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                                      • quiet
                                        we'll miss you our friend. RIP
                                        • Sep 2001
                                        • 25115

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by adonis
                                        Yesterday, after several hours full of signup, there is zero Ibill signups for 6 hours (Thu. 20pm - Fri. 02am EST)

                                        This is more than bad luck, there must be something related with this Visa problem... How about your sales between these hours? Especially from Visa EU..
                                        i just went to look. i'm still getting signups, but this is the worst day i've had in roughly 3 years. rebills are normal though.
                                        we'll miss you our friend. RIP

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                                        • Shoplifter
                                          Richest man in Babylon
                                          • Jan 2002
                                          • 5862

                                          #21
                                          Even if this passes without incident it has all EU Ibill merchants within a hairsbreadth of losing all they have worked for.

                                          Nothing will ever be the same after this, if it happens or not.

                                          I can imagine what the nature of the alleged violation might be, and if it is so expect some other big news very shortly.

                                          And Ibill: you should have had someone here talking about this the moment the filing went public today.
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                                          • Shoplifter
                                            Richest man in Babylon
                                            • Jan 2002
                                            • 5862

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by adonis
                                            Yesterday, after several hours full of signup, there is zero Ibill signups for 6 hours (Thu. 20pm - Fri. 02am EST)

                                            This is more than bad luck, there must be something related with this Visa problem... How about your sales between these hours? Especially from Visa EU..
                                            Mine have been slow, some big gaps today. Seeing as it is 10 am here in London it might be time to whip out the old card and see if things are actually working.

                                            Anyone want to bet on whether or not Monday's payout comes?
                                            Last edited by Shoplifter; 05-16-2003, 01:34 AM.
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                                            • Mr.Fiction
                                              Confirmed User
                                              • Feb 2002
                                              • 9484

                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by KRL


                                              I feel we need a song courtesy of 60's rock group Blood, Sweat, & Tears.



                                              <embed src=http://www.members.accessus.net/~xombi/tdf/spinning_wheel/blood_sweat_and_tears.mp3 autostart=false>
                                              If I quote this, will it play twice?
                                              Last edited by Lensman; 05-16-2003, 09:47 AM.
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                                              • DyannaDoes
                                                Confirmed User
                                                • Aug 2002
                                                • 212

                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by Mr.Fiction


                                                If I quote this, will it play twice?
                                                yes/no

                                                true/false

                                                please choose one.
                                                "Profanity is the inevitable linguistic crutch of the inarticulate motherfucker."

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                                                • KRL
                                                  Entrepreneur
                                                  • Oct 2002
                                                  • 31429

                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by Mr.Fiction


                                                  If I quote this, will it play twice?
                                                  Yes it does. Hit the stop button on yours to end the echo.

                                                  Thanks
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                                                  • Indy the real one
                                                    Confirmed User
                                                    • Jan 2001
                                                    • 130

                                                    #26
                                                    Tried to buy something with Ibill yesterday from europe and my
                                                    visa card was declined....
                                                    Nothing 2 sale...

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                                                    • El Pres
                                                      Confirmed User
                                                      • Aug 2002
                                                      • 382

                                                      #27
                                                      So what has actually happened,

                                                      Is it they have lost their EU processing, or is it that if I'm in the EU and I try to join an IBILL site I can't , even if they process with visa USA.
                                                      http://www.sdm-soluciones.com/design/

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                                                      • goBigtime
                                                        Confirmed User
                                                        • Nov 2002
                                                        • 7761

                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by shap

                                                        We were notified on Wednesday, May 14, 2003 that our acquiring bank plans to suspend our Visa account on Friday, May 16, allegedly due to our failure to comply with applicable Visa rules.

                                                        We believe we are in compliance with those Visa rules.`

                                                        Then they should contact an attorney like Paycom did and FIGHT IT.

                                                        I mean WTF they are publicly traded. Show a little respect to your stockholders & fight for your business.

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                                                        • Lane
                                                          Will code for food...
                                                          • Apr 2001
                                                          • 8496

                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by KRL


                                                          I feel we need a song courtesy of 60's rock group Blood, Sweat, & Tears.



                                                          <embed src=http://www.members.accessus.net/~xombi/tdf/spinning_wheel/blood_sweat_and_tears.mp3 autostart=false>

                                                          its gonna sound weird now
                                                          Last edited by Lensman; 05-16-2003, 09:47 AM.

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                                                          • Pappa
                                                            Confirmed User
                                                            • Apr 2003
                                                            • 636

                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by Lane



                                                            its gonna sound weird now
                                                            I have the stereo speakers on full while playing Metallica and then this crap joins in. Didn't mix well tbh. :P

                                                            A tad irritating but what the hell....
                                                            I'm in a great mood right now. Music is loud and my cold beer is in the fridge.


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                                                            • d0se
                                                              Confirmed User
                                                              • Jul 2002
                                                              • 1225

                                                              #31
                                                              the sky is falling....


                                                              haha nice tune..
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                                                              • scoreman
                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                • Nov 2001
                                                                • 1491

                                                                #32
                                                                The EU issue would only affect iBill-EU merchants, it doesnt affect iBill-USA clients. Endusers in Europe with Visa cards are also not affected. We have had all kinds of new joins and rebills since midnight from Europe and with Visa.

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                                                                • scoreman
                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                  • Nov 2001
                                                                  • 1491

                                                                  #33
                                                                  Lens, is there any way we can disable these music files? This is ridiculously annoying.

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                                                                  • cherrylula
                                                                    lol
                                                                    • Jan 2002
                                                                    • 15969

                                                                    #34
                                                                    I hope really bad things happen to Visa and Mastercard. Really horrible and bad things.

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                                                                    • El Pres
                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                      • Aug 2002
                                                                      • 382

                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by Danielle
                                                                      Not good at all.

                                                                      Glad we use http://www.geobucks.com and http://www.trafficassistant.com

                                                                      I'll just set a redirect for all European traffic headed to a iBill sponsor for now. That way I'll still make good money off of the traffic iBill can't bill for now.

                                                                      Hugs,
                                                                      Danielle
                                                                      Ibill can bill Europe,
                                                                      the only thing that isn't going through are the people who process with IBILL EU.

                                                                      So that's US surfers aswell trying to sign up at a IBILL EU processed site, so geo targetting wouldn't do diddly squat in this case.
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                                                                      • tony299
                                                                        lurker
                                                                        • Aug 2002
                                                                        • 57021

                                                                        #36
                                                                        Originally posted by jact


                                                                        Epassporte is great, but it doesn't cover you for all your clients, unfortunately. Epassporte is a great as long as you have a (or several) backup processors.

                                                                        Epassporte is scary,they want a guarantee (if they are collecting the fees for my site they should have the money for their fees)and they want your bank info(the answer I got on this one ,we want it because in the future we maybe adding a function.Why cant you ask for it when you have the function instead of my bank info sitting god knows where). It makes me nervous to give a offshore company my bank info, remember if they can put money in they can take money out. Also bothers me that no body can give a straight answer who owns it, this some of the owners of epoch maybe also be owners of epassporte but I dont know. Thats very weird. Most people are proud of what they own a part of , everybody is being vague. Be careful people

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                                                                        • iBill_Service
                                                                          Registered User
                                                                          • Jan 2003
                                                                          • 15

                                                                          #37
                                                                          So there is no misinformation regarding this topic, we?d like you to know that we are continuing to process EU VISA transactions at this time. We are working toward a resolution of this issue, which affects not only iBill, but IPSPs with a relationship with our EU processor. US merchants are unaffected regarding this issue.

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                                                                          • stocktrader23
                                                                            Let's do some business.
                                                                            • Jan 2003
                                                                            • 18781

                                                                            #38
                                                                            Originally posted by iBill_Service
                                                                            So there is no misinformation regarding this topic, we?d like you to know that we are continuing to process EU VISA transactions at this time. We are working toward a resolution of this issue, which affects not only iBill, but IPSPs with a relationship with our EU processor. US merchants are unaffected regarding this issue.
                                                                            You know you could help your company tremendously simply by dropping in for a few minutes a day to touch bases with the people that make you money. It's not fucking rocket science. I'm sure you are just an employee but maybe you can hit your new bosses up with the idea. You'll either get a promotion or fired like the other 40 some odd ex employees.


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                                                                            • necoeds
                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                              • Nov 2002
                                                                              • 2453

                                                                              #39
                                                                              Damn, this sucks....

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                                                                              • iBill_Service
                                                                                Registered User
                                                                                • Jan 2003
                                                                                • 15

                                                                                #40
                                                                                To avoid any confusion, please be assured US merchants can process domestic and International credit cards as normal.

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                                                                                • NETbilling
                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                  • Jan 2002
                                                                                  • 8598

                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  Hi,

                                                                                  Sorry about the problems...

                                                                                  In case any EU clients need assistance, we can help establish an EU merchant account for you to process with Netbilling if your monthly volume is over 50k for adult or 10k for mainstream. There is no Visa/Mastercard reg fees at this time but you must have an EU corp.

                                                                                  Interested?

                                                                                  Toll Free within the US: (888)357-8166
                                                                                  Outside the US: (661)252-2456

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                                                                                  • goBigtime
                                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                                    • Nov 2002
                                                                                    • 7761

                                                                                    #42
                                                                                    Originally posted by iBill_Service
                                                                                    To avoid any confusion, please be assured US merchants can process domestic and International credit cards as normal.
                                                                                    Another visitor?
                                                                                    Stay awhile, stay forever!
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                                                                                    Really though...

                                                                                    Ibill-Service does need to dive in and expect to have a very rough 15-30 days (from all the people with pent up IBill anger)... but then after that... it'll be cake once people get to know you.

                                                                                    They'll instantly attack you now because your nameless & faceless. You could even use your real name or make up a cool nickname like Corvette @ CCbill has

                                                                                    But many of your existing and potential 'whales' are swimming around here & you just never know who they might be.

                                                                                    I don't know about everyone else here, but if I was a new or existing member of GFY it wouldn't take me too long to figure out what IPSP's to go with and which ones not to.

                                                                                    Irregardless of everything Intercept is scared of about by having a rep here (like liability for things that rep sais), Ibill really needs to put a consistent, friendly rep on the forums that will stick around, answer questions and follow up with things that he/she sais.

                                                                                    I'm sure the Ibill clients here would appreciate it.

                                                                                    If I have a problem or question with CCbill that I would like to have addressed publicly for all to hear the response of... I know who to yell for.
                                                                                    Last edited by goBigtime; 05-16-2003, 09:41 AM.

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                                                                                    • Master_Yoba
                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                      • Jul 2002
                                                                                      • 1273

                                                                                      #43
                                                                                      damn, I feel I need a new processor
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                                                                                      • Master_Yoba
                                                                                        Confirmed User
                                                                                        • Jul 2002
                                                                                        • 1273

                                                                                        #44
                                                                                        iBill_Service, where is Cathy_IBill?
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                                                                                        • skeet
                                                                                          Registered User
                                                                                          • Feb 2002
                                                                                          • 89

                                                                                          #45
                                                                                          Songs that remind me of iBill:

                                                                                          Key lines

                                                                                          "Momma always told me not to look in the eye's on the sun"

                                                                                          "With a boulder my shoulder, feeling kinda older, I tripped the merry-go-round"

                                                                                          "She got down but she never got tired"


                                                                                          Blinded by the Light

                                                                                          [Chorus]: Blinded by the light
                                                                                          revved up like a deuce
                                                                                          Another runner in the night
                                                                                          Blinded by the light
                                                                                          revved up like a deuce
                                                                                          Another runner in the night
                                                                                          Blinded by the light
                                                                                          revved up like a deuce
                                                                                          Another runner in the night (fading)

                                                                                          Madman dummers bummers,
                                                                                          Indians in the summer,
                                                                                          With a teenager diplomat
                                                                                          And the dumps with the mumps
                                                                                          As the adolescent pumps his way into his hat

                                                                                          With a boulder my shoulder,
                                                                                          feeling kinda older,
                                                                                          I tripped the merry-go-round
                                                                                          With this very unpleasin', sneezin' and wheezin,
                                                                                          the calliope crashed to the ground
                                                                                          (pickup)
                                                                                          the calliope crashed to the ground

                                                                                          (chorus)

                                                                                          Some silicon sister with a manager mister
                                                                                          told me I go what it takes.
                                                                                          I'll run you on sonny to something strong
                                                                                          play the song with the funky break

                                                                                          And go-cart Mozart was checkin' out the
                                                                                          weather charts see if it was safe outside
                                                                                          And little Early Burly came by in his curly wurly
                                                                                          and asked me if i needed a ride
                                                                                          (pickup)
                                                                                          asked me if i needed a ride


                                                                                          (chorus)

                                                                                          Bridge: She got down but she never got tired
                                                                                          She's gonna make it to the night
                                                                                          She's gonna make it through the night


                                                                                          (break with soul-stirring solo)

                                                                                          Oh momma that's where the fun is
                                                                                          But momma that's where the fun is
                                                                                          Momma always told me not to look
                                                                                          in the eye's on the sun
                                                                                          But momma that's where the fun is

                                                                                          (chop sticks variation)

                                                                                          So brimstone-baritone, anti-cyclone Rolling Stone
                                                                                          Preacher from the East,
                                                                                          says dethrone the dictaphone, hit it in it's funny bone
                                                                                          thats what they expect at least

                                                                                          It's a new grown chaperon standing in the corner
                                                                                          watching the young girls dance
                                                                                          and some fresh sown moonstone messing with his frozen zone,
                                                                                          only reminding him of romance
                                                                                          (pickup)
                                                                                          and the calliope crashed to the ground

                                                                                          (Chorus)

                                                                                          (Chorus and First Verse)

                                                                                          Now Scott with the sling-shot finally found a tender spot
                                                                                          and throws his lover in the sand
                                                                                          and some blood-shot forget-me-not
                                                                                          said Daddy's within earshot, save the buck-shot, turn up the band

                                                                                          (repeat Verse 2 "Silicon sister with a manager....")
                                                                                          (bridge)

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                                                                                          • chupacabra
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                                                                                            • Sep 2002
                                                                                            • 3626

                                                                                            #46
                                                                                            Stay awhile, stay forever!
                                                                                            hahaha! now *that* brought back old memories..!
                                                                                            ...promise her a defamation, tell her where the rain will fall..

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                                                                                            • corvette
                                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                                              • Oct 2001
                                                                                              • 7880

                                                                                              #47
                                                                                              Gobigtime, our Chief Operating Officer wants to know whether the name of that game is ?Mission Impossible? or ?Impossible Mission?

                                                                                              Nostalgia

                                                                                              If you need a good company for check writing services, then check out checkissuing, and for webhosting, check out Phoenix NAP

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                                                                                              • BJ
                                                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                                                • Mar 2002
                                                                                                • 5590

                                                                                                #48
                                                                                                uh this ibill_service fellow is obviously fake. You wont see an ibill rep on an adult message board for obvious reasons

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                                                                                                • SleazyDream
                                                                                                  I'm here for SPORT
                                                                                                  • Jul 2001
                                                                                                  • 41470

                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                  Originally posted by Indy the real one
                                                                                                  Tried to buy something with Ibill yesterday from europe and my
                                                                                                  visa card was declined....
                                                                                                  that says it all........................
                                                                                                  This dog, is dog, a dog, good dog, way dog, to dog, keep dog, an dog, idiot dog, busy dog, for dog, 20 dog, seconds dog!

                                                                                                  Now read without the word dog.

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                                                                                                  • 12clicks
                                                                                                    Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                    • Jan 2001
                                                                                                    • 19814

                                                                                                    #50
                                                                                                    why do I always talk up CCbill and Jettis again? I can't seem to remember but it will come to me eventually.
                                                                                                    I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.

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