What is this GFY BP4L thing?

Fucking COOL! I'm a Canadian, I get my own race!?!?!? (Actually I'm Roma aka Gypsy, German, and Blackfoot indian, but still).

I'm just fuckin with ya Boneprone, I see where you're at.

its not what the family can do for you,its what you can do for the family..

As far as I recall Lee is white after seeing her at some of the shows.

Now I could be wrong, but she seemed to have some ethnic darkness about her when I saw her. Maybe a little bit of American Indian or maybe some latin like 1/16th. Even 1/32nd would do.

If this is the case we could make room for her in the family.

We would need to know though of course what background she is first.

Also after reading her posts, she would be required to take our manditory BP4L culture sensitivity course as well. It is a 3 week course.

I've had boners all my life.

You never cease to amuse me, Boneprone

I'm part native, of course you wouldn't know it to look at me. Native Status is a beautiful thing

Gothweb has hit the nail on the head.

Try to start an organisation to protact our industry or get people to join one already out there and see the indifference. But a club for 12 to 14 year olds is irresistable to 20 to 30 year olds. Go figure.

bla bla bla watever./
Agent Orange Is working in full force.

shouldnt you be starting a thread kissing your wife's ass? get a grip puhlese...people fear what they dont understand

Its wiggers like this that just thought up a tagline to gain social acceptance fom what they lacked in highschool

Naturally they are all white.

More racism.

Yeah...OK.

Your opinion meas so much to me.

Who are you again? Oh...a nobody, that's right.

Keep on being a hater.

man why do people care?
there is far more elite people out there who u have no idea about.

punk asses who want attention are just for comedic humour, if u want to find the real elite people u r fucked!

WWOBN

you are who you hang with

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In the long run, bad decisions add up? to disaster. Now I'm not the sharpest knife in the drawer but I can recognize talent.

When I meet a Caesar and have a chance to do business with him, I move full steam ahead because I know the venture will succeed.

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Stay away from this type of scum at all costs. Men are vain creatures and will gladly listen to almost anything from almost anyone, provided it is what they want to hear. The flatterer will tell you what you want to hear, he will cajole you with his words, often in a very subtle manner, with the goal of obtaining something from you that he normally would not deserve.

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There is his story, there is her story, and then there's the truth somewhere in between.
No matter what the other two stories are, the truth is grey enough that it casts a pall on the Family.
This is not good for the Family and in turn brings down all of the BP4L members.
In this business, reputation is everything, and you are who you associate with. Son Of Rage will forever be known as a rapist because the court found him guilty and he served time - and therefore the Family will be associated as having a rapist in its midst.

Tough love, has to be done. In order to preserve the respect of the Family and its members, Son of Rage has to go.
The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few - or the one.

My Uncle has been in prison for Murder since the 70's...Except for a few weeks when he broke out. What does that say about me and my family?

For the record....He DID do it.

Blood relation is never predetermined.

Organization affiliation is.

Not blood. He married into the family. Therefore, it was predetermined.

Son of Rage is my cousin.

How can I turn my back on him?

Anyhow, he's out of the Biz. Ive seen to it.
We got him running our resturant which has it's grand opening in Eugene Oregon this Sunday. Resturant Management for the Family will be his new position and focus on life.

You wont see him around too much longer.

I am so proud of him to get back on his feet.

The resturant was a great idea. (all mine)

Boneprone:

I am disappointed that this has become about race. In all honesty, I had no idea what your race was or your following. Last I knew my NEC monitor showed 16, 800 million colors with everyone.

You talk about family, understand there are families that pre-date the BP4L, the first generation pioneers of this industry who came together in 1996 and earlier and laid alot of the infrastructure webmasters drive upon today.

Many of us are still around and several are in our 40's and 50's now.

The difference is we took care of many in the industry, and did not work within our own group exclusively. We collectively came together and worked for the good of the industry and still do.

BP4L handles themselves different, and thats fine. But, my family did not wrong your family, so we cannot pay for a debt we did not owe.

That debt being race issues and discrimination in this industry which exists only in your mind.

If you really wanted to take up a cause, you could have done so to ensure the women have equal opportunity in this business. They have come along way babee, but they could go further.

There are NO race issues in this business, and there has never been any, and I will not let you in 2003 create any for the sake of saving face or justifying the existence of your family.

Boneprone, do the right thing.

i must call bullshit.Racism does exist in the adult world.

Let me clarify that, racism exists within people who reside in this buisness

This is very true, Lee, women in this business are now giving a very strong showing. Although I have to give props to Boneprone, I've seen him give credit where credit is due, and there are women in the "family" (Not me, but others).

Almost as much racism as chauvanism.

If this be true, we brought it in, and if you see it, take it out.

Lee....babee....there is chauvinism. Racism. Homophobia. Just like in the real world. I've read stuff from people on this and other boards that make me shudder, the hatred is oozing from their keyboards through to me.

Open your ears at the shows and on the boards, hon. There is lots of hate and it isn't just coming from GFY.

I've been to the shows when someone walks by and they're called a name....and it's not just a name but something derogatory and either racial or religious. Never have I seen so much Jew Hating as I've seen at shows and on the boards.

As far as families, I wasn't around during the pioneer days and maybe I'm hearing the memories wrong...but, as much assistance as there was, there was that much back stabbing, too....wasn't there? There are some wars between the old guard that are still going on...if I have my information right...

As to BP4L...why not? I live in the NW, amongst people who are different than I am.....my brother-in-law is Filipino....their sense of family is amazing. You could go to jail for a million years and when you get out, they are there for you. It's the way. They might watch their children around you...but, they'll set you up with something, so you can put your life back together.

Every time BP4L comes up, the same thing happens...oh, they're so cool, they're so mysterious...well..to themselves...they are a family..to the rest of the world..they are a mystery......and then the bashing starts......

Let them be. For those of us not inside their Family, be entertained. For those inside, cool.

Family is everything when you've got a good one.

Raven honey, you directed your post to me and it was Lady Mischief belching the chauvanism comment.

When you have groups of people the lines are drawn and I get that, it not avoidable but the people brought the issues into this industry and blew them up.

Who exactly is guilty of this discrimination that exists?

As for the shows, there is more ebonics being spoken than all the languages at the UN, one could hardly interpret them as slurs.

Thats the fault of the speaker not the fault of families or our industry.

There is the family you are born with, and the family you choose.. If the family you choose supports you, all the better.

Have you not encountered chauvanism? I would think so.. It doesn't ruin things for me most certainly because I know my worth, however it is pre-eminent everywhere. Just one of the parts the industry, I guess.

This industry like any has it's good points and it's bad points, but I think that overall, it's one of the best to be in, because overall, it's the most accepting.

Yes, people can pick apart certain people or instances of this or that, but that doesn't change the fact that a cross-section of the business shows one of the most diverse groups of people with varying backgrounds anywhere in business, I think. That in itself is going to cause problems, but it's also going to make things that much more interesting.

Exactly.

Ok, the heat has been turned up.

Lets get some focus here, and stop debating world issues.

My head is not buried in the sand Raven and I do not believe discrimination is a problem in this industry to the point where a family needs to bond to support and combat these implied issues in numbers.

BP4L has the right to be who they are for what ever reason. It is our right to say they have formed for the wrong reason if it was based on issues against minorities in this business.

We can talk skin all day long or we could talk about lifestyle discriminations and hardships too, but the bottom line is these are the cards we each either accept or reject as individuals.

We all had the right to attend public school, we all made our choices for our futures. Some chose to "skate" thru their lives others went on to make investments in themselves at their own expense.

Because I am gay society owes me nothing, and I am not going to bond with other gays as a means to accept the indifferences.

Thats weak, its hard for me to accept a minority person being born and deciding to make this life one big excuse because of his forefathers. The generations now are not in those same hardships but so many use them as excuses to make nothing of their lives.

When I decided to put myself thru college at 30, my GPA meant nothing because all the scholarships went to minorities. At 37, I got my BS and also got $30K in school loans for the next 20 years.

No free lunch for me.

Its called do something with you life.

As for BP4L I think it represents an issue thats not present in our business but an issue because of its formation and its basis for formation.

If you want to talk discrimination, BP4L is a classic case within themselves. Their very formation is a discriminatory stance against those that do not meet their racial or minority guidelines.

So is this a case of them forming because of racism, or was it formed to bring racism into this industry.

This business is built on honor and respect, not skin or ethnicity.

BP4L serves a purpose.

My only hope is they are part of a solution and not part of the problem.

For those who missed it the first time around, here's a video about being BP4L.

http://www.d-moneyshow.com/videos/bp4l/bp4l.ram

i couldnt have said it better..classic d$ style!

the family was not formed by racism, but by acts of love shown

across the www from webmasters who have done buisness with

each other and more importantly TRUST. The family includes but

is not limited to hosting companies, content providers,well

established models, entertainers,traffic brokers,and the ever

important programmers. Everyone should have a circle of family

that theytrust in this buisness becasue we know it's hard to earn

around these parts but most importantly you take the omerta

and once your in, your FAMILY. I am honored to be chosen by the

family and because of the family doors of oppourtunities have

opened for me and my buisness. The family does not discriminate

and only do buisness within the family, we are always open to

talk to and associate with everyone but understand this..If you

fuck with one, you fuck with us all

toodamnfli, I'm down with that but thats not the picture Boneprone portrayed which fueled this thread.

made you look =)


BP4L...it's not just a family, its a way of life

Looks like Bob Dole's hand on Bush.

That pic looks like an evil cult. Faces sort of blurred, pretty scary.

Who was the guy that had to shave his balls and put that heat seeking burning medicated cream on his cock/balls for 5 minutes and film it for all to see here on GFY?

What a bunch of crying faggots.

I hope you hommos have the balls to say this shit to my face, instead hiding behind a keyboard.

I really hope to run into some of you at a convention or two. It will be funny how attitudes changes face to face.

Bring it on

LOL Rage is going to be the head dishwasher.

Damn, Lee....that'll teach me to post before I've had enough coffee.....sorry about that.....

But, I do remember you and I talking about glass ceilings in the industry....

I am a faggot, but I ain't crying.

This homo has balls.

This homo with balls will get all up in your face.

It will be YOUR attitude that will change mutha' fucker.

FUCKIN A! BINGO!!!!!!

He fueled the thread. He got under YOUR skin and kept the thread alive with bullshit about race.

I have been sitting here laughing my ass off waiting for somebody to realize what has been done here.

Wake up world. You fuckers are blind...Most of you are sheep and boneprone is leading the flock.

I'm sorry Lee, but I find this highly amusing coming from you.. The last think I would expect you to post.. hahahahhaa.

I'm not dissin you, it's just out of..."character"? :P

moo

Character is a perceived thing based on what you have seen proceeding, to know me is to cross me :-)

Ask around :-)

May I offer you a better learning tutorial for "Spin Doctoring" skills.

You be selling and we ain't buying :-)

Spoken like a true professional. Way to overcome the opposition by lowering yourself to their level.

Allow me to show a few quotes from the Porn is Bad board:


Is this reply the sort of perception that you wish people to have in order to help your tree?

Let's see....What else was said in that thread? Oh yeah....

From me:

And your reply:

So....This begs the question...WTF are you doing here if you don't like the place? GTFO....Or is the reality of it that you also like to stir the shit? Me thinks so.

Sell, buy...Who gives a fuck? You are still posting. As for spinning threads, boneprone and I are the best there is on GFY. You're too old now Lee. Go back to the 80's along with your haircut.