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  • RAM
    They're all hookers, but mom!
    • Jan 2001
    • 7047

    #1

    Just received this e-mail from DutchBilling doesn't look good for them

    Dear DutchBilling customer,

    As you have noticed, we have suspended our last payment
    run of April 28th for all merchants and Resellers
    of DutchBilling.

    This is a result of a thorough investigation within our
    Risk Department that has found a large number of
    credit card transactions to be fraudulent. Since DutchBilling
    is providing transactions for Internet websites,
    fraud does occur, since authenticity of the credit card
    holder is not fully possible.

    In the last couple of weeks we have seen an huge
    increase of fraudulent transactions, particulary made
    through DutchBilling resellers. To protect the business
    interest of all persons involved and our valuable banking
    relationships, we have decided to suspend all payments
    to our customers.

    However, after internal discussions, the management of
    DutchBilling has decided the following:

    1. All merchants and linkers will be paid on Monday
    May 5th, which includes the payment of April 28th.
    Merchants and linkers will continue to receive their
    weekly payments. Merchants and linkers can opt
    for biweekly or for a payment every 4 weeks in the
    DutchBilling Control Center.

    2. All resellers will be paid every four weeks from
    now on. The first reseller payment will be on
    Monday May 19th. Resellers cannot opt for
    a weekly or biweekly payment.

    3. Starting June 1st 2003, we will introduce a new
    rate system, due to the increase of cost of
    anti-fraud solutions for our merchants.
    DutchBilling will increase the staff of its
    Risk Management department in the month
    of May.

    a. The new rate will be 18% for all credit card
    and check transactions;

    b. The holdback will be increased to 20% of
    the total volume, to be paid back 26 weeks
    as a rolling reserve;

    c. The maximum percentage of resellers will
    be lowered to 50%.

    4. Starting June 1st 2003, we will introduce a new
    reseller system where the merchant will be liable
    for the resellers payments, chargebacks and
    refunds.

    That means that the merchant can approve
    or decline resellers through the DutchBilling
    Control Center. Once the reseller is approved
    by the merchant, the reseller gets paid by
    DutchBilling.

    However, negative invoices from resellers (due
    to excessive amount of chargebacks and credits)
    will be directly deducted from the merchants
    payments or holdback.

    If you have any questions about these decisions,
    please don't hesitate to contact us.

    We appreciate your business,
    Yours Truly

    DutchBilling Management
    RAM



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  • AmeliaG
    Too lazy to set a custom title
    • Jan 2003
    • 10678

    #2
    Thank you so much for posting this. I was just about to start promoting one of their sites.

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    • pr0
      rockin tha trailerpark
      • May 2001
      • 23088

      #3
      there is so much $ to be made without fraud......it amazes me that these punks out there insist on destroying the industry...
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      • rowan
        Too lazy to set a custom title
        • Mar 2002
        • 17393

        #4
        RAM - have a look at www.verotel.com . Looks kinda familiar, doesn't it? Even some of the wording is identical. I've heard mention that dutchbilling is just a verotel reseller - if so, then why not skip the middle man?

        Then again, perhaps it's just another frontend for verza...

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        • UnseenWorld
          Confirmed User
          • May 2001
          • 5279

          #5
          I got hit for a $3500 chargeback on a content sale recently. The credit card companies need to do something to make non-face to face sales safer.

          What a lot of webmasters haven't realized (and may be waking up to now) is that we are not the customers of the credit card companies, the cardholders are. We are vendors, and we get treated accordingly.
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          • RAM
            They're all hookers, but mom!
            • Jan 2001
            • 7047

            #6
            I would like to know what this big wave of fraud is they just now got hit with.


            How do you like the line about to protect the business:


            To protect the business
            interest of all persons involved and our valuable banking
            relationships, we have decided to suspend all payments
            to our customers.
            RAM



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            • Kimmykim
              bitchslapping zebras!!!!!
              • Jun 2001
              • 16015

              #7
              Hahaha, Visa Intl laying the smackdown on someone...

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              • andi_germany
                Confirmed User
                • Oct 2002
                • 768

                #8
                I don't see a big problem here. They are simply protecting the business.

                As they stated it's mainly from resellers that means that a lot of people sign up with fake credit cards to get the quick referrer buck.
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                • BVF
                  Black Vagina Finder
                  • Jan 2002
                  • 13975

                  #9
                  damn man, one day you won't be able to even process unless you have ccbill....

                  If Dutchbilling......a company WAY offshore, has to suspend payments, then you know that shit has hit the fan.....

                  I'm sure glad I didn't switch to dutchbilling or even Globill...I think Globill will be next....

                  This is truly sad

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                  • AmeliaG
                    Too lazy to set a custom title
                    • Jan 2003
                    • 10678

                    #10
                    I've actually noticed an increase in chargebacks recently on some of the affiliate programs I participate in (i.e. not my own Spooky Cash Globill program but ones I promote for other people in with my stuff) and the sites are still good, but it seems like maybe there are more credits/returns/chargebacks than I usually see. Not that I've done a spreadsheet on it, just my pre-coffee perception this morning.
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                    • RAM
                      They're all hookers, but mom!
                      • Jan 2001
                      • 7047

                      #11
                      How can afford to use a billing company with these kind of rates:


                      a. The new rate will be 18% for all credit card
                      and check transactions;

                      b. The holdback will be increased to 20% of
                      the total volume, to be paid back 26 weeks
                      as a rolling reserve;
                      RAM



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                      • SykkBoy2
                        Jesus loves bacon
                        • Feb 2001
                        • 19969

                        #12
                        shit, I just referred some people over to them too.....

                        I think verotel, dutchbill and dutchbilling are all the same, but not 100% sure.....
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                        • andi_germany
                          Confirmed User
                          • Oct 2002
                          • 768

                          #13
                          I wonder if this kind of thing is a deliberate act. How much does it take for the competition to set up sites sign up with a biller and cause them chargebacks?

                          I think it is legitimate that a company suspends payments for a week to check who is defrauting them.

                          I think this is a clear statement at least. I have seen other companies just suspending payments without any kind of notice or statement.
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