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  • SoBeGirl Video
    So Fucking Banned
    • Sep 2002
    • 2493
    #51
    No lenny Sir, you are missing my point and yes it does help them when they have my content just like it helps when they have your feed too, which by the way I hear is an excellent product. I always loved the SoCal shit....

    But really my point was about the SuperMPG fileand how it helps in all areas. The SuperMPG file is big in frame size and small in file size.

    SuperMPG

    And all the ways big guys use to trick people to sign up when if they just served really good compressed files there would not be a problem.

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      • easyfun
        Confirmed User
        • Apr 2003
        • 731
        #52
        I can only speak for myself and my sites -
        I gave up free trials years ago - I also gave up paying per sign up too at the same time.

        Last September, I gave up trials - And you know what? My sales went through the fucking roof!

        I sell now on "save 10$ a month on recurring membership" And I am getting twice the sales I ever had on "Join now for 2.95.

        At 2,95 I was getting X sales a day and 50% cancellation BEFORE entering the members area.

        Now, I get 2x X plus 10 times the amount of non-recurring members and 50% upsell from the latter to recurring!

        Retention is rocking and I am sort of pleased about that!
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          • HardProfits
            So Fucking Banned
            • Jan 2003
            • 346
            #53
            Originally posted by Hooper


            Usually the people who whine the most about how it's not possible are the ones who are pissed that they have to compete with per-signup programs.

            Dan, your rhetoric would have some meaning if perhaps you weren't trying to push your own "auditable" $100 per join program the whole while.

            We can and do pay $35-40 per $2.99 signup and we are profitable. Margins are smaller than they used to be which only means that it costs more to get a good per-signup program going.

            And if you want to know why it is that we don't offer "auditable" stats (speaking on behalf of many per-signup programs here) it's because we dictate who the processor is and change it depending upon who is having problems or not having problems. It would be ridiculous to try and track per signups from a 3rd party when you are using 6-10 different processors... each affiliate would have to have an account with each one of them.

            Jealousy is not becoming... and I guarantee you wont hear one per-signup sponsor whining about how it's not possible or how everybody is resorting to "scams".
            Ahh Hooper, I can always count on you for giving me a giggle. When you feel a bitch needs a slap, there you are

            Anyways, Hooper you can just do this in your stats. Show the subscription number from each sale in your stats (if you dont already). That way an affiliate can join your site at anytime to check that their subscription number is there. I use 3 processors (with another one being added next month), and thats how I do it

            Just put in some basic audit trail, and boom, all is forgiven (and honest).

            And as I said earlier, my comments are generic, and cannot fit every situation.

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              • Pappa
                Confirmed User
                • Apr 2003
                • 636
                #54
                Note to self:
                1. Build paysite.
                2. get SoBeGirl conent.
                3. check bank acount.
                4. retire

                Easy as 1 2 3


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                  • X37375787
                    #55
                    Originally posted by SoBeGirl Video
                    No lenny Sir, you are missing my point and yes it does help them when they have my content just like it helps when they have your feed too, which by the way I hear is an excellent product. I always loved the SoCal shit....

                    But really my point was about the SuperMPG fileand how it helps in all areas. The SuperMPG file is big in frame size and small in file size.

                    SuperMPG

                    And all the ways big guys use to trick people to sign up when if they just served really good compressed files there would not be a problem.

                    Excellent:

                    [img]http://**********/spam.gif[/img]

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                      • Madball
                        Confirmed User
                        • May 2002
                        • 748
                        #56
                        Note to self: Never buy anything from Sobegirl.
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                          • natas
                            Confirmed User
                            • Mar 2002
                            • 3377
                            #57
                            Originally posted by FreeHugeMovies
                            Did R Kelly piss on someone in the latest vidoes?

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                              • ElvisManson
                                Looking California
                                • Feb 2001
                                • 5476
                                #58
                                Originally posted by HardProfits


                                Ahh Hooper, I can always count on you for giving me a giggle. When you feel a bitch needs a slap, there you are

                                Anyways, Hooper you can just do this in your stats. Show the subscription number from each sale in your stats (if you dont already). That way an affiliate can join your site at anytime to check that their subscription number is there. I use 3 processors (with another one being added next month), and thats how I do it

                                Just put in some basic audit trail, and boom, all is forgiven (and honest).

                                And as I said earlier, my comments are generic, and cannot fit every situation.
                                Hey Dan..I am not familiar with you or your program, but i am interested in HOW you track affiliate sales...with cookies or...?

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                                  • Fletch XXX
                                    GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!!
                                    • Jan 2002
                                    • 60840
                                    #59
                                    How much do sponsors really profit off a $35 payout?
                                    By being honest?

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                                      • SoBeGirl Video
                                        So Fucking Banned
                                        • Sep 2002
                                        • 2493
                                        #60
                                        Madball please take Equidork's dick out of your ass.

                                        Thank-you.

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                                          • HardProfits
                                            So Fucking Banned
                                            • Jan 2003
                                            • 346
                                            #61
                                            Originally posted by ElvisManson


                                            Hey Dan..I am not familiar with you or your program, but i am interested in HOW you track affiliate sales...with cookies or...?
                                            We detail each and every sale and rebill with the full subscription number

                                            That way if one of my affiliates wants to see if I am shaving, all they need do is sign up (which will be refunded of course) to see if we present the sale or not (and of course they can get friends to sign up from anywhere in the world, and we will refund that too).

                                            Maybe a good idea for your new bililng system you are building

                                            If you ever need any ideas, check out my billing systems at http://www.MultiBill.com/

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                                              • liquidkid
                                                Confirmed User
                                                • Oct 2002
                                                • 219
                                                #62
                                                Maybe if everyone and their mother didn't have a TGP each hosting tons of free porn maybe $70 payouts would still exist.. The fact stands, the market is saturated with free porn.
                                                Last edited by liquidkid; 04-29-2003, 03:07 PM.

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                                                  • chupacabra
                                                    Confirmed User
                                                    • Sep 2002
                                                    • 3626
                                                    #63
                                                    Last September, I gave up trials - And you know what? My sales went through the fucking roof!
                                                    this could not be truer... trials suck, period. w/ broadband becoming more pervasive, and surfers getting more savvy to the tricks and fine print some webmasters/programs rely on, trials just don't make much sense for paysites that have large amounts of downloadable content within... i tried offering trials for one week a very long time ago, and all i got was near to no regular signups that week, and a stack of quickly cancelled trials..
                                                    ...promise her a defamation, tell her where the rain will fall..

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                                                      • liquidkid
                                                        Confirmed User
                                                        • Oct 2002
                                                        • 219
                                                        #64
                                                        Nothing changed in the economy in regards to porn; now people know how to use the Internet more effectively and with so much porn available at no cost, why would they pay for it.

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                                                          • HardProfits
                                                            So Fucking Banned
                                                            • Jan 2003
                                                            • 346
                                                            #65
                                                            Originally posted by chupacabra


                                                            this could not be truer... trials suck, period. w/ broadband becoming more pervasive, and surfers getting more savvy to the tricks and fine print some webmasters/programs rely on, trials just don't make much sense for paysites that have large amounts of downloadable content within... i tried offering trials for one week a very long time ago, and all i got was near to no regular signups that week, and a stack of quickly cancelled trials..
                                                            I would dearly love to get rid of free trials. The bottom line is though, that as long as affiliates want $35 for a $2.95 trial, trials will be around forever

                                                            Sucks but true

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                                                              • Shoplifter
                                                                Richest man in Babylon
                                                                • Jan 2002
                                                                • 5889
                                                                #66
                                                                Originally posted by ItBurnsWhenIpee
                                                                So we have sponsors like ARS telling us that they can't "afford" to pay $35 for a $2.99 trial any more. Others are probably shaving to make more money, as the value of surfers has declined. I do enjoy the fact that ARS is up front about it, they rock, but...
                                                                Hmm...The thing is in my case the amount I make on a revshare program or $35 PPS is about the same for the same number of signups per month.

                                                                There are one or two PPS programs I have been able to test and find that they do not shave. The revenues and ratios are virtually identical to a 60% revshare cut.
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                                                                  • dmv69
                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                    • Nov 2002
                                                                    • 452
                                                                    #67
                                                                    Would having streaming capabilities instead of downloadable content keep users on longer?

                                                                    that way, they can see what they want, but they cant download it at all..
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                                                                      • &lt;IMX&gt;
                                                                        Confirmed User
                                                                        • Jun 2002
                                                                        • 2728
                                                                        #68
                                                                        Originally posted by liquidkid
                                                                        Maybe if everyone and their mother didn't have a TGP each hosting tons of free porn maybe $70 payouts would still exist.. The fact stands, the market is saturated with free porn.
                                                                        says the guy with a tgp? in his sig...
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                                                                          • Indy the real one
                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                            • Jan 2001
                                                                            • 130
                                                                            #69
                                                                            Less free porn, less tgp = more money.

                                                                            Remember 5 years ago when there was Much less surfers and almost no tgp's ?

                                                                            That was like surfing on a sea of gold...
                                                                            Nothing 2 sale...

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                                                                              • Snake Doctor
                                                                                I'm Lenny2 Bitch
                                                                                • Mar 2001
                                                                                • 13449
                                                                                #70
                                                                                Originally posted by HardProfits


                                                                                We detail each and every sale and rebill with the full subscription number

                                                                                That way if one of my affiliates wants to see if I am shaving, all they need do is sign up (which will be refunded of course) to see if we present the sale or not (and of course they can get friends to sign up from anywhere in the world, and we will refund that too).

                                                                                Maybe a good idea for your new bililng system you are building

                                                                                If you ever need any ideas, check out my billing systems at http://www.MultiBill.com/
                                                                                You said an awful lot and still didn't answer the question Elvis asked you.
                                                                                HOW do you track your affiliates sales? Cookies? PHP sessions? Query string? Something else?
                                                                                sig too big

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                                                                                  • SoBeGirl Video
                                                                                    So Fucking Banned
                                                                                    • Sep 2002
                                                                                    • 2493
                                                                                    #71
                                                                                    Just server files that stream real time and play on any computer anywhere (The MPG) format and make your money. Users expect more. They expect files like this.... Big and clear and stream right away. And they wont be fooled by tours that have them and when they see the members are they all have small shitty files.

                                                                                    YOu need these....

                                                                                    SuperMPG

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                                                                                      • the indigo
                                                                                        Confirmed User
                                                                                        • Sep 2001
                                                                                        • 2016
                                                                                        #72
                                                                                        Originally posted by Hooper

                                                                                        And if you want to know why it is that we don't offer "auditable" stats (speaking on behalf of many per-signup programs here) it's because we dictate who the processor is and change it depending upon who is having problems or not having problems. It would be ridiculous to try and track per signups from a 3rd party when you are using 6-10 different processors... each affiliate would have to have an account with each one of them.
                                                                                        That's a really bs excuse... cascading exist since... a whoopy 6 months. I don't remember seeing ANY sponsor using more than one processor 1-2-3 years ago. It was Ibill all the way for everyone, so gimme a break with that lame wannabe reason.

                                                                                        Even Epoch is used since 10 months max.
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                                                                                          • sacX
                                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                                            • Dec 2002
                                                                                            • 2998
                                                                                            #73
                                                                                            Originally posted by liquidkid
                                                                                            Nothing changed in the economy in regards to porn; now people know how to use the Internet more effectively and with so much porn available at no cost, why would they pay for it.
                                                                                            Deal with it. It's not changing.
                                                                                            Have Asian Language Traffic?

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                                                                                              • Rochard
                                                                                                Jägermeister Test Pilot
                                                                                                • Dec 2001
                                                                                                • 75764
                                                                                                #74
                                                                                                A sponsor needs to figure out exactly what they make off of each surfer.

                                                                                                First, if have an original site with original contnet and a real member's area, members will retain. If I pay you $35 for one member and he stays three months, I've made money. Then factor in upsells from live chat, sex toys, and what not. Then factor in that I have that member's email address knowing he's already signed up for a pay site and I'll send him a few emails and make more money off of him.

                                                                                                How much money can I make off of one surfer who's signed up for my site? $200? $300? $400????
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                                                                                                Brooklyn, NY

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                                                                                                  • ElvisManson
                                                                                                    Looking California
                                                                                                    • Feb 2001
                                                                                                    • 5476
                                                                                                    #75
                                                                                                    Originally posted by the indigo


                                                                                                    That's a really bs excuse... cascading exist since... a whoopy 6 months. I don't remember seeing ANY sponsor using more than one processor 1-2-3 years ago. It was Ibill all the way for everyone, so gimme a break with that lame wannabe reason.

                                                                                                    Even Epoch is used since 10 months max.
                                                                                                    You are very wrong.....lol

                                                                                                    We have been using cascading billing for a very long time.

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                                                                                                      • Hooper
                                                                                                        Confirmed User
                                                                                                        • Jul 2001
                                                                                                        • 2210
                                                                                                        #76
                                                                                                        That's a really bs excuse... cascading exist since... a whoopy 6 months. I don't remember seeing ANY sponsor using more than one processor 1-2-3 years ago. It was Ibill all the way for everyone, so gimme a break with that lame wannabe reason.

                                                                                                        Even Epoch is used since 10 months max.
                                                                                                        Most big programs have been cascading for a long time dude. And every processor has different API's... and quite often that subscription or transaction number would not be appropriate to share because it would reveal confidential customer information.

                                                                                                        I'm sure dan will sit here and beat this dead horse because he apparently offers some kind of subscription number in his revshare stats. Hats off to ya dan, hope it works well.
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                                                                                                          • TheDoc
                                                                                                            Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                            • Jul 2001
                                                                                                            • 13827
                                                                                                            #77
                                                                                                            A program can pay $35 per sign-up with little to no trouble.

                                                                                                            100 signups X $35 payout = $3500 paid to webmasters

                                                                                                            100 signups X $1.95 = $195

                                                                                                            35% trial to conversion (average across processors)

                                                                                                            35 x $39.95 = $1398.25

                                                                                                            After the trial, members will retain 3 months on average, give or take a few cancelations so we will say

                                                                                                            25 x 3 = 75 x $39.95 = $2996.25

                                                                                                            Let's figure that an extra 25 over the 3 months will drop out leaving us with 50 sign-ups to rebill. Just for the sake of a shitty site.

                                                                                                            25 x 2 = 50 x $39.95 = $1997.50

                                                                                                            So far we have paid out $3500 to webmasters and have earned with some jacked up numbers $3590.75

                                                                                                            Profit has been made. Now add in that 30% of sign-ups take a cross sale at $15 each, 60% of the people that view the exit will have a sign-up ratio of 1:1250 views on the exit.

                                                                                                            Add in up sells, double opt in e-mails, member e-mails and the other 15 ways paysites can make money and you have a huge profit.

                                                                                                            Paysites, are very profitable on a 1.95 trial as long as the paysite owners know what they are doing and have it down to an art.

                                                                                                            Even if you lower the 35% trial to conversion to 25% and leave the other numbers in place just with x sales they make a profit.

                                                                                                            It's rather simple
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