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  • Choker
    Confirmed User
    • Apr 2001
    • 9024
    #1

    Official launch of Betterbeup.com

    First time program announcement. Beta testing is complete and http://www.betterbeup.com is now open for business. This is a totally free server monitoring tool anyone can use. No catches or bullshit, just a banner in the admin. A support forum is set up on my board if you need help installing or have questions. thanks and enjoy
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    The Original http://www.chokertraffic.com/

    Premium country pop-unders from $1.50 per k. I challenge you to compare this traffic to any other brokers.
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    • TurboAngel
      H.B.I.C.
      • Jun 2003
      • 30122
      #2
      Look's great!

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        • Spunky
          I need a beer
          • Jun 2002
          • 133978
          #3
          Good Luck with it

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            • Sly_RJ
              Live Hard - Die Hard
              • Feb 2002
              • 17042
              #4
              No bull shit. Heh.
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                • plyndrty
                  Confirmed User
                  • Jul 2003
                  • 1477
                  #5
                  Congrats Choker!
                  Free Porno You Porn Fuck

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                    • Choker
                      Confirmed User
                      • Apr 2001
                      • 9024
                      #6
                      Originally posted by Sly_RJ
                      No bull shit. Heh.
                      What a surprise seeing you post here
                      ICQ me lets make a deal 116894466

                      Need dating, cam, or tube traffic? I got it.http://http://www.chokertraffic.com

                      The Original http://www.chokertraffic.com/

                      Premium country pop-unders from $1.50 per k. I challenge you to compare this traffic to any other brokers.
                      http://www.chokertraffic.com/public/tabs.php?t=o

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                        • PurrrsianPussyKat
                          Confirmed User
                          • Jan 2004
                          • 2088
                          #7
                          Good luck!
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                            • Head
                              Confirmed User
                              • Nov 2003
                              • 8278
                              #8
                              Looks good! Keep it up! (not pun intended)

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                                • Sly_RJ
                                  Live Hard - Die Hard
                                  • Feb 2002
                                  • 17042
                                  #9
                                  Originally posted by Choker


                                  What a surprise seeing you post here
                                  Choker I have no problem with you. In fact, I even like you. It's your script I don't like. It's missing some logic in it. That missed logic is hurting me and my business. Why shouldn't I be pissed off?

                                  Those 36 hours that we're credited with are from some guy who didn't pay his bills. Yes Choker, when someone doesn't pay their bills, we cut them off whether they're running your downtime script or not. Now because we're running our business properly, we get "check marks" from you.

                                  I now have pissed off clients and questionable potential clients because of your "helpful" site. You're damaging my business because of false information represented by you.

                                  --

                                  Here's a scenario for you: say I buy some traffic from you, straight United States traffic (this is hypothetical, I don't know your regional restrictions.) Traffic starts coming to my galleries and I notice some Chinese traffic coming in to (some Chinese site took my gallery and I didn't notice it) my gallery. Now I'm pissed off because I think you're sending me Chinese traffic. I build a quick site to rate the various traffic brokers I buy from. Right next to your link I put a big fat notice "SENDS CHINESE TRAFFIC". I proceed to show all my friends. You lose business and current clients.

                                  How happy would you be?
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                                  sly AT phatservers DOT com - 147479144

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                                    • Wizzo
                                      2011 GFY Hall of Fame!
                                      • Nov 2000
                                      • 15224
                                      #10
                                      Sweet!
                                      Looking for Opportunity!

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                                        • Volantt
                                          Confirmed User
                                          • Nov 2003
                                          • 745
                                          #11
                                          Originally posted by Sly_RJ

                                          Choker I have no problem with you. In fact, I even like you. It's your script I don't like. It's missing some logic in it. That missed logic is hurting me and my business. Why shouldn't I be pissed off?

                                          Those 36 hours that we're credited with are from some guy who didn't pay his bills. Yes Choker, when someone doesn't pay their bills, we cut them off whether they're running your downtime script or not. Now because we're running our business properly, we get "check marks" from you.

                                          I now have pissed off clients and questionable potential clients because of your "helpful" site. You're damaging my business because of false information represented by you.

                                          --

                                          Here's a scenario for you: say I buy some traffic from you, straight United States traffic (this is hypothetical, I don't know your regional restrictions.) Traffic starts coming to my galleries and I notice some Chinese traffic coming in to (some Chinese site took my gallery and I didn't notice it) my gallery. Now I'm pissed off because I think you're sending me Chinese traffic. I build a quick site to rate the various traffic brokers I buy from. Right next to your link I put a big fat notice "SENDS CHINESE TRAFFIC". I proceed to show all my friends. You lose business and current clients.

                                          How happy would you be?
                                          He does have a good point, how would the system handle this situation? Just curious...

                                          V
                                          "Only the dead have seen the end of war." - Plato
                                          "In the abscence of orders, go find something and kill it." - Erwin Rommel
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                                            • Choker
                                              Confirmed User
                                              • Apr 2001
                                              • 9024
                                              #12
                                              I now have pissed off clients and questionable potential clients because of your "helpful" site. You're damaging my business because of false information represented by you.
                                              Well to start I am NOT providing false information. The site does not respond, BBU reports that. What EXACTLY do you propose I do about this? I cannot let the hosts go in and edit the downtime. I cannot depend on the users to manually toggle a "stop monitoring" link in thier admin. This service has to be 100% self running. I can't depend on input from anyone.
                                              ICQ me lets make a deal 116894466

                                              Need dating, cam, or tube traffic? I got it.http://http://www.chokertraffic.com

                                              The Original http://www.chokertraffic.com/

                                              Premium country pop-unders from $1.50 per k. I challenge you to compare this traffic to any other brokers.
                                              http://www.chokertraffic.com/public/tabs.php?t=o

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                                                • Sly_RJ
                                                  Live Hard - Die Hard
                                                  • Feb 2002
                                                  • 17042
                                                  #13
                                                  Originally posted by Sly_RJ

                                                  Choker I have no problem with you. In fact, I even like you. It's your script I don't like. It's missing some logic in it. That missed logic is hurting me and my business. Why shouldn't I be pissed off?

                                                  Those 36 hours that we're credited with are from some guy who didn't pay his bills. Yes Choker, when someone doesn't pay their bills, we cut them off whether they're running your downtime script or not. Now because we're running our business properly, we get "check marks" from you.

                                                  I now have pissed off clients and questionable potential clients because of your "helpful" site. You're damaging my business because of false information represented by you.

                                                  --

                                                  Here's a scenario for you: say I buy some traffic from you, straight United States traffic (this is hypothetical, I don't know your regional restrictions.) Traffic starts coming to my galleries and I notice some Chinese traffic coming in to (some Chinese site took my gallery and I didn't notice it) my gallery. Now I'm pissed off because I think you're sending me Chinese traffic. I build a quick site to rate the various traffic brokers I buy from. Right next to your link I put a big fat notice "SENDS CHINESE TRAFFIC". I proceed to show all my friends. You lose business and current clients.

                                                  How happy would you be?
                                                  One other thing... I believe there are 3 "Choker monitoring scripts" throughout our network of 400+ servers. And 2 of those scripts are from the same guy, the guy that we cut off.

                                                  Now somebody please explain to me how Choker's setup could possibly display an accurate representation of "uptime"...
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                                                    • Number1Thumb
                                                      Confirmed User
                                                      • Feb 2003
                                                      • 1135
                                                      #14
                                                      ISPRIME rockin and rollin, best out there boys

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                                                        • Choker
                                                          Confirmed User
                                                          • Apr 2001
                                                          • 9024
                                                          #15
                                                          Originally posted by Sly_RJ

                                                          One other thing... I believe there are 3 "Choker monitoring scripts" throughout our network of 400+ servers. And 2 of those scripts are from the same guy, the guy that we cut off.

                                                          Now somebody please explain to me how Choker's setup could possibly display an accurate representation of "uptime"...
                                                          http://www.betterbeup.com/

                                                          Warning
                                                          The above table represents only the servers that have installed our plugin and that this service is actively monitoring
                                                          ICQ me lets make a deal 116894466

                                                          Need dating, cam, or tube traffic? I got it.http://http://www.chokertraffic.com

                                                          The Original http://www.chokertraffic.com/

                                                          Premium country pop-unders from $1.50 per k. I challenge you to compare this traffic to any other brokers.
                                                          http://www.chokertraffic.com/public/tabs.php?t=o

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                                                            • keyDet79
                                                              Confirmed User
                                                              • Feb 2003
                                                              • 1109
                                                              #16
                                                              I think it's a matter of time before hosts will start banning customers from using the service, especially if their server is unmanaged.

                                                              Edit: Maybe removing the 'Host' table all together and replacing it with the website instead would be a good idea, and put the host behind it.
                                                              Last edited by keyDet79; 01-15-2004, 06:35 PM.

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                                                                • Choker
                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                  • Apr 2001
                                                                  • 9024
                                                                  #17
                                                                  Originally posted by keyDet79
                                                                  I think it's a matter of time before hosts will start banning customers from using the service, especially if their server is unmanaged.
                                                                  That's fine with me. This is a free service. I get jack from this. Funny thing is we don't see any complaints from guys using this service, only from hosts.
                                                                  ICQ me lets make a deal 116894466

                                                                  Need dating, cam, or tube traffic? I got it.http://http://www.chokertraffic.com

                                                                  The Original http://www.chokertraffic.com/

                                                                  Premium country pop-unders from $1.50 per k. I challenge you to compare this traffic to any other brokers.
                                                                  http://www.chokertraffic.com/public/tabs.php?t=o

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                                                                    • romans
                                                                      Registered User
                                                                      • Jan 2004
                                                                      • 10
                                                                      #18
                                                                      Originally posted by Sly_RJ

                                                                      Choker I have no problem with you. In fact, I even like you. It's your script I don't like. It's missing some logic in it. That missed logic is hurting me and my business. Why shouldn't I be pissed off?

                                                                      Those 36 hours that we're credited with are from some guy who didn't pay his bills. Yes Choker, when someone doesn't pay their bills, we cut them off whether they're running your downtime script or not. Now because we're running our business properly, we get "check marks" from you.

                                                                      I now have pissed off clients and questionable potential clients because of your "helpful" site. You're damaging my business because of false information represented by you.

                                                                      --

                                                                      Here's a scenario for you: say I buy some traffic from you, straight United States traffic (this is hypothetical, I don't know your regional restrictions.) Traffic starts coming to my galleries and I notice some Chinese traffic coming in to (some Chinese site took my gallery and I didn't notice it) my gallery. Now I'm pissed off because I think you're sending me Chinese traffic. I build a quick site to rate the various traffic brokers I buy from. Right next to your link I put a big fat notice "SENDS CHINESE TRAFFIC". I proceed to show all my friends. You lose business and current clients.

                                                                      How happy would you be?
                                                                      I'd like to shed some light in betterbeup.com downtime detection logic.


                                                                      - if plugin is removed from server (that's what hoster usualy would do - remove all files form website of non-payer, gets 404 error), then it's not treated as downtime. In the domain list - there is yellow light, no notifications are sent.
                                                                      - if DNS domain is removed, message is sent to webmaster and that domain is deleted from database.
                                                                      - if connection cannot be established with server, it's a red alert and warning is sent to webmaster
                                                                      - if everything is ok, but mysql cannot be contacted on server, it's red alert for mysql, notification is sent to webmaster.
                                                                      - if DNS domain is removed - it is not considered as downtime

                                                                      If you have any ideas how to improve this, post them here:
                                                                      http://chickenboard.com/viewtopic.php?t=59

                                                                      Thank you.

                                                                      romans @ bbu development
                                                                      PEBKAC

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                                                                        • Wizzo
                                                                          2011 GFY Hall of Fame!
                                                                          • Nov 2000
                                                                          • 15224
                                                                          #19
                                                                          Originally posted by keyDet79
                                                                          I think it's a matter of time before hosts will start banning customers from using the service, especially if their server is unmanaged.
                                                                          Only the one's that suck...
                                                                          Looking for Opportunity!

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                                                                            • Sly_RJ
                                                                              Live Hard - Die Hard
                                                                              • Feb 2002
                                                                              • 17042
                                                                              #20
                                                                              Originally posted by Choker


                                                                              That's fine with me. This is a free service. I get jack from this. Funny thing is we don't see any complaints from guys using this service, only from hosts.
                                                                              And what reason would users have to complain about your service? They don't know the difference either way.

                                                                              If hosts, the people who really are affected by this, start complaining to you, that should be a red flag that something is wrong.
                                                                              PHAT SERVERS - Quality dedicated hosting at a quality price!
                                                                              sly AT phatservers DOT com - 147479144

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                                                                                • rowan
                                                                                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                  • Mar 2002
                                                                                  • 17393
                                                                                  #21
                                                                                  Choker, I think it's a good idea but the implementation needs some work.

                                                                                  According to betterbeup, candidhosting has been monitored for approximately 8 months and during that time it has been down 42 hours. Has BBU existed this long? Has candidhosting really been down for 2 days?

                                                                                  I think it's better to group entries by individual site/server, then the aggregate details with less emphasis on whether the webhost itself has been "up" or "down."

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                                                                                    • Choker
                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                      • Apr 2001
                                                                                      • 9024
                                                                                      #22
                                                                                      Originally posted by romans


                                                                                      - if plugin is removed from server (that's what hoster usualy would do - remove all files form website of non-payer, gets 404 error), then it's not treated as downtime. In the domain list - there is yellow light, no notifications are sent.

                                                                                      romans @ bbu development
                                                                                      there ya go, just remove the guys plugin. Problem solved.
                                                                                      ICQ me lets make a deal 116894466

                                                                                      Need dating, cam, or tube traffic? I got it.http://http://www.chokertraffic.com

                                                                                      The Original http://www.chokertraffic.com/

                                                                                      Premium country pop-unders from $1.50 per k. I challenge you to compare this traffic to any other brokers.
                                                                                      http://www.chokertraffic.com/public/tabs.php?t=o

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                                                                                        • chowda
                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                          • Jun 2003
                                                                                          • 9527
                                                                                          #23
                                                                                          i would have used that domain to sell penis pills.. hehehe

                                                                                          looks like a nice script
                                                                                          Someone finds you...
                                                                                          2007

                                                                                          PS: Nationalnet is the best host I've ever had. And i tried alot of them.

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                                                                                            • keyDet79
                                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                                              • Feb 2003
                                                                                              • 1109
                                                                                              #24
                                                                                              Originally posted by Choker


                                                                                              there ya go, just remove the guys plugin. Problem solved.
                                                                                              What if it's a dedicated?

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                                                                                                • Choker
                                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                                  • Apr 2001
                                                                                                  • 9024
                                                                                                  #25
                                                                                                  Originally posted by Sly_RJ

                                                                                                  And what reason would users have to complain about your service? They don't know the difference either way.

                                                                                                  If hosts, the people who really are affected by this, start complaining to you, that should be a red flag that something is wrong.
                                                                                                  Get real man. I encourage people to report bugs and problems with all my shit. I always have and always will. As a matter of fact, traffic buyers HAVE to provide feedback on traffic they buy after they recieve 10k hits. Without feedback I would be totally lost.
                                                                                                  ICQ me lets make a deal 116894466

                                                                                                  Need dating, cam, or tube traffic? I got it.http://http://www.chokertraffic.com

                                                                                                  The Original http://www.chokertraffic.com/

                                                                                                  Premium country pop-unders from $1.50 per k. I challenge you to compare this traffic to any other brokers.
                                                                                                  http://www.chokertraffic.com/public/tabs.php?t=o

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                                                                                                    • SomeCreep
                                                                                                      :glugglug
                                                                                                      • Mar 2003
                                                                                                      • 26118
                                                                                                      #26
                                                                                                      Well it looks like Phatservers has a good reason for that downtime. They cut off the guys hosting who didnt pay his bills.

                                                                                                      Now, whats the excuse for Candidhosting?? Why the fuck do they have so much downtime? Has anyone noticed downtime with them lately?

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                                                                                                        • chodadog
                                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                                          • Apr 2002
                                                                                                          • 9736
                                                                                                          #27
                                                                                                          I don't like the idea of the scrpt. Like sly said, if a client isn't paying his bills, you have got to cut him off. I wouldn't agree with deleting his files or scrpts from the server though, and it seems like that's what you have to do to avoid this being seen as downtime on your website.

                                                                                                          I don't see why the results can't be private for each user. I'm only interested in what my box is doing anyways.
                                                                                                          26 + 6 = 1

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                                                                                                            • Choker
                                                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                                                              • Apr 2001
                                                                                                              • 9024
                                                                                                              #28
                                                                                                              Originally posted by rowan
                                                                                                              Choker, I think it's a good idea but the implementation needs some work.

                                                                                                              According to betterbeup, candidhosting has been monitored for approximately 8 months and during that time it has been down 42 hours. Has BBU existed this long? Has candidhosting really been down for 2 days?

                                                                                                              I think it's better to group entries by individual site/server, then the aggregate details with less emphasis on whether the webhost itself has been "up" or "down."
                                                                                                              http://www.betterbeup.com/

                                                                                                              About the time being monitored..If a host has 1 server being monitored, after 1 hour the total time monitored would be 1 hour. If a host has 10 servers being monitored, after one hour the total time monitored would be 10 hours. ETC

                                                                                                              there are many candid servings being monitored
                                                                                                              ICQ me lets make a deal 116894466

                                                                                                              Need dating, cam, or tube traffic? I got it.http://http://www.chokertraffic.com

                                                                                                              The Original http://www.chokertraffic.com/

                                                                                                              Premium country pop-unders from $1.50 per k. I challenge you to compare this traffic to any other brokers.
                                                                                                              http://www.chokertraffic.com/public/tabs.php?t=o

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                                                                                                                • Sly_RJ
                                                                                                                  Live Hard - Die Hard
                                                                                                                  • Feb 2002
                                                                                                                  • 17042
                                                                                                                  #29
                                                                                                                  Originally posted by chodadog
                                                                                                                  I don't like the idea of the scrpt. Like sly said, if a client isn't paying his bills, you have got to cut him off. I wouldn't agree with deleting his files or scrpts from the server though, and it seems like that's what you have to do to avoid this being seen as downtime on your website.

                                                                                                                  I don't see why the results can't be private for each user. I'm only interested in what my box is doing anyways.
                                                                                                                  I'm not having files deleted like that. No way. Many times people pay up and all is good. For anyone to suggest that is just ridiculous.
                                                                                                                  PHAT SERVERS - Quality dedicated hosting at a quality price!
                                                                                                                  sly AT phatservers DOT com - 147479144

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                                                                                                                    • rowan
                                                                                                                      Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                      • Mar 2002
                                                                                                                      • 17393
                                                                                                                      #30
                                                                                                                      I just noticed this...

                                                                                                                      "About the time being monitored..If a host has 1 server being monitored, after 1 hour the total time monitored would be 1 hour. If a host has 10 servers being monitored, after one hour the total time monitored would be 10 hours. ETC"

                                                                                                                      I guess this is how candidhosting got their numbers up so quickly, but the problem here is that you show the ABSOLUTE figures as well as the percentages. 10 servers that are monitored for 100 hours with downtime of an hour for all of them is 1% downtime... but there is nothing on your page saying you are monitoring 10 servers off that host. Therefore 1% downtime could be 10 servers down for an hour, or 100 servers down for 6 minutes. Larger hosts will show proportionally larger downtime amounts which disregards the actual period of time that they're off the air.

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                                                                                                                        • Moose
                                                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                                                          • Feb 2001
                                                                                                                          • 1548
                                                                                                                          #31
                                                                                                                          Originally posted by Choker


                                                                                                                          http://www.betterbeup.com/

                                                                                                                          About the time being monitored..If a host has 1 server being monitored, after 1 hour the total time monitored would be 1 hour. If a host has 10 servers being monitored, after one hour the total time monitored would be 10 hours. ETC

                                                                                                                          there are many candid servings being monitored

                                                                                                                          What if one server has 3 websites each running this plugin and that server is down. Will that count for 3 times the down time?

                                                                                                                          We have some customers running many multiples of yur scripts.
                                                                                                                          /what if some guy running 10 of them on one box is shut off.
                                                                                                                          Will this be 10 times the amount?

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                                                                                                                            • keyDet79
                                                                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                                                                              • Feb 2003
                                                                                                                              • 1109
                                                                                                                              #32
                                                                                                                              Not to mention a lot of people don't want or need monitoring or management, and in case they mess it up it just makes the host look bad.

                                                                                                                              Multihomed quality BW for less
                                                                                                                              ICQ 51034232 - MSN [email protected] - Email keydet(at)vibehosting.com

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                                                                                                                                • Sly_RJ
                                                                                                                                  Live Hard - Die Hard
                                                                                                                                  • Feb 2002
                                                                                                                                  • 17042
                                                                                                                                  #33
                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by Choker


                                                                                                                                  http://www.betterbeup.com/

                                                                                                                                  About the time being monitored..If a host has 1 server being monitored, after 1 hour the total time monitored would be 1 hour. If a host has 10 servers being monitored, after one hour the total time monitored would be 10 hours. ETC

                                                                                                                                  there are many candid servings being monitored
                                                                                                                                  Ok, let me get this straight. If we have 20 servers being monitored and our network goes down tomorrow for 2 hours, you're going to credit us for 40 hours worth of downtime?
                                                                                                                                  PHAT SERVERS - Quality dedicated hosting at a quality price!
                                                                                                                                  sly AT phatservers DOT com - 147479144

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                                                                                                                                    • Choker
                                                                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                      • Apr 2001
                                                                                                                                      • 9024
                                                                                                                                      #34
                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by SomeCreep
                                                                                                                                      Well it looks like Phatservers has a good reason for that downtime. They cut off the guys hosting who didnt pay his bills.

                                                                                                                                      Now, whats the excuse for Candidhosting?? Why the fuck do they have so much downtime? Has anyone noticed downtime with them lately?
                                                                                                                                      One of my servers was down from hardware failures. I don't fudge figures for anyone. This is why I do not fear any hosts sueing me. As long as I am honest and do not change numbers I am wrapped in teflon as far as being sued is concerned.
                                                                                                                                      ICQ me lets make a deal 116894466

                                                                                                                                      Need dating, cam, or tube traffic? I got it.http://http://www.chokertraffic.com

                                                                                                                                      The Original http://www.chokertraffic.com/

                                                                                                                                      Premium country pop-unders from $1.50 per k. I challenge you to compare this traffic to any other brokers.
                                                                                                                                      http://www.chokertraffic.com/public/tabs.php?t=o

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                                                                                                                                        • romans
                                                                                                                                          Registered User
                                                                                                                                          • Jan 2004
                                                                                                                                          • 10
                                                                                                                                          #35
                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by Sly_RJ

                                                                                                                                          I'm not having files deleted like that. No way. Many times people pay up and all is good. For anyone to suggest that is just ridiculous.
                                                                                                                                          Right. You shouldn't.

                                                                                                                                          When you disable webmaster who haven't payed, IF you replace his webiste with "temporary not available" message (or similar) all previous files are "deleted" from the viewpoint point of betterbeup.com.

                                                                                                                                          Anyway - either it's host or webmaster himself who deletes status.php or makes it unavailable - it is not downtime. Downtime would be if you shut down apache.

                                                                                                                                          Actually those who play innocent hosts here, why don't you pay money to develop/buy monitoring service like this and notify your customers on your own?

                                                                                                                                          romans @ bbu devel team
                                                                                                                                          PEBKAC

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                                                                                                                                            • sandman!
                                                                                                                                              Icq: 14420613
                                                                                                                                              • Mar 2001
                                                                                                                                              • 15427
                                                                                                                                              #36
                                                                                                                                              Personally i like http://siteuptime.com/ free monitoring checks server every half an hour for free and emails you if there is a problem no need to iinstall scripts
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                                                                                                                                                • Choker
                                                                                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                  • Apr 2001
                                                                                                                                                  • 9024
                                                                                                                                                  #37
                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by Sly_RJ

                                                                                                                                                  Ok, let me get this straight. If we have 20 servers being monitored and our network goes down tomorrow for 2 hours, you're going to credit us for 40 hours worth of downtime?
                                                                                                                                                  Yep, but at the same time your total monitored time is reflected the same way. So 20 servers being monitored would show 20 hours total monitored time after one hour. But no matter what you are going to continue to cry like a baby aren't you?
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                                                                                                                                                    • romans
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                                                                                                                                                      • Jan 2004
                                                                                                                                                      • 10
                                                                                                                                                      #38
                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by Sly_RJ

                                                                                                                                                      Ok, let me get this straight. If we have 20 servers being monitored and our network goes down tomorrow for 2 hours, you're going to credit us for 40 hours worth of downtime?
                                                                                                                                                      Yes, all those servers was unavailable and every domain you host there as well. All webmasters will be notified and you will get 40 hours downtime.

                                                                                                                                                      What else you propose?

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                                                                                                                                                        • rowan
                                                                                                                                                          Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                                                          • Mar 2002
                                                                                                                                                          • 17393
                                                                                                                                                          #39
                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by romans


                                                                                                                                                          Yes, all those servers was unavailable and every domain you host there as well. All webmasters will be notified and you will get 40 hours downtime.

                                                                                                                                                          What else you propose?

                                                                                                                                                          romans @ bbu devel team
                                                                                                                                                          Percentages, not absolutes. See my reply further up in this thread.

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                                                                                                                                                            • romans
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                                                                                                                                                              • Jan 2004
                                                                                                                                                              • 10
                                                                                                                                                              #40
                                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by Moose



                                                                                                                                                              What if one server has 3 websites each running this plugin and that server is down. Will that count for 3 times the down time?

                                                                                                                                                              We have some customers running many multiples of yur scripts.
                                                                                                                                                              /what if some guy running 10 of them on one box is shut off.
                                                                                                                                                              Will this be 10 times the amount?
                                                                                                                                                              No, downtime is counted as server_count * hours. No matter how many plugins / users / domains you have on your server it is still single server.

                                                                                                                                                              And one guy would not run 10 plugins, because it's enough of 1 plugin for one user to do server monitoring.
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                                                                                                                                                                • chodadog
                                                                                                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                  • Apr 2002
                                                                                                                                                                  • 9736
                                                                                                                                                                  #41
                                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by Sly_RJ

                                                                                                                                                                  I'm not having files deleted like that. No way. Many times people pay up and all is good. For anyone to suggest that is just ridiculous.
                                                                                                                                                                  Exactly.

                                                                                                                                                                  Also, can someone answer this.

                                                                                                                                                                  If in a 24 hour period, a host has 10 servers go down for 1 hour, that's 10 hours of downtime. The total time being monitoried is actually 240 hours. Is the percentage calculated on 24 hours (41 percent), or 240 hours (4%)?
                                                                                                                                                                  Last edited by chodadog; 01-15-2004, 07:08 PM.
                                                                                                                                                                  26 + 6 = 1

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                                                                                                                                                                    • Sly_RJ
                                                                                                                                                                      Live Hard - Die Hard
                                                                                                                                                                      • Feb 2002
                                                                                                                                                                      • 17042
                                                                                                                                                                      #42
                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by Choker

                                                                                                                                                                      Yep, but at the same time your total monitored time is reflected the same way. So 20 servers being monitored would show 20 hours total monitored time after one hour. But no matter what you are going to continue to cry like a baby aren't you?
                                                                                                                                                                      Who's crying? I'm showing you major faults in your script, as well as several others in this thread, and you're still strutting around like your shit don't stink.

                                                                                                                                                                      Try, just this once, not to be such an arrogant cock and lets try to think of something that will more accurately represent what's happening.
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                                                                                                                                                                        • SomeCreep
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                                                                                                                                                                          • Mar 2003
                                                                                                                                                                          • 26118
                                                                                                                                                                          #43
                                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by Choker


                                                                                                                                                                          One of my servers was down from hardware failures. I don't fudge figures for anyone. This is why I do not fear any hosts sueing me. As long as I am honest and do not change numbers I am wrapped in teflon as far as being sued is concerned.
                                                                                                                                                                          o i c.

                                                                                                                                                                          Perhaps you could make betterbeup a more valuable service if you could somehow state the cause of downtime.

                                                                                                                                                                          I dont worry much about a host if someones box crashes, or if some guy gets his hosting cut off for not paying bills, but do worry if a webhost has their entire network go down.

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                                                                                                                                                                            • romans
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                                                                                                                                                                              • Jan 2004
                                                                                                                                                                              • 10
                                                                                                                                                                              #44
                                                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by sandman!
                                                                                                                                                                              Personally i like http://siteuptime.com/ free monitoring checks server every half an hour for free and emails you if there is a problem no need to iinstall scripts
                                                                                                                                                                              The idea having plugin on the server have it's benefits:
                                                                                                                                                                              - mysql server checking. betterbeup.com already helped some guys who had mysql problems where it crashes really often.
                                                                                                                                                                              - bandwidth graphs which eleminate need to setup MRTG or similar on all of your dedicated servers.

                                                                                                                                                                              Our monitoring interval is 2 minutes. Half hour delay is not for serious servers. Imagine chickentraffic be down for half hour.



                                                                                                                                                                              and we have ICQ alerts

                                                                                                                                                                              romans @ bbu devel team
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                                                                                                                                                                                • Superterrorizer
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                                                                                                                                                                                  • Sep 2003
                                                                                                                                                                                  • 509
                                                                                                                                                                                  #45
                                                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by Choker

                                                                                                                                                                                  Yep, but at the same time your total monitored time is reflected the same way. So 20 servers being monitored would show 20 hours total monitored time after one hour. But no matter what you are going to continue to cry like a baby aren't you?
                                                                                                                                                                                  Listen to you, at it again. These people are being polite, trying to explain some flaws in your script, and you're off being a cock about it.

                                                                                                                                                                                  If you're going to classify a period of time your master server is unable to hit the sites running your monitor script due to a 403 or 404 error (or any other error related to the webmaster fucking something up) as "Host downtime" you are misrepresenting the facts. If that's causing a host to lose business, you better believe you can get sued especially when most hosts can back up the fact that their server was up with MRTG graphs, server logs, server performance graphs, and dozens of other means.


                                                                                                                                                                                  Lose your fucking attitude and listen to what the people are saying, stop being so defensive and consider for a moment they're trying to offer their opinions to help make your "service" better. What use is it to anyone if it's not accurate? You seriously need to reconsider what is considered host downtime, or remove it all together. I know you thought it would be cool and everyone would worship you if you could show how shitty all the hosts are, but from what I (and many others it would seem) am seeing, it's not working.

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                                                                                                                                                                                    • romans
                                                                                                                                                                                      Registered User
                                                                                                                                                                                      • Jan 2004
                                                                                                                                                                                      • 10
                                                                                                                                                                                      #46
                                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by SomeCreep

                                                                                                                                                                                      o i c.

                                                                                                                                                                                      Perhaps you could make betterbeup a more valuable service if you could somehow state the cause of downtime.

                                                                                                                                                                                      I dont worry much about a host if someones box crashes, or if some guy gets his hosting cut off for not paying bills, but do worry if a webhost has their entire network go down.
                                                                                                                                                                                      We plan to implement the way to solve this, really.

                                                                                                                                                                                      romans @ bbu devel team
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                                                                                                                                                                                        • SL|M!
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                                                                                                                                                                                          • Mar 2003
                                                                                                                                                                                          • 1480
                                                                                                                                                                                          #47
                                                                                                                                                                                          Nice!

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                                                                                                                                                                                            • Choker
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                                                                                                                                                                                              • Apr 2001
                                                                                                                                                                                              • 9024
                                                                                                                                                                                              #48
                                                                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by Sly_RJ

                                                                                                                                                                                              Who's crying? I'm showing you major faults in your script, as well as several others in this thread, and you're still strutting around like your shit don't stink.

                                                                                                                                                                                              Try, just this once, not to be such an arrogant cock and lets try to think of something that will more accurately represent what's happening.
                                                                                                                                                                                              OMFG, you are the one acting like a 5 year old that can't get his way. if your site showed no downtime you would be strutting your shit saying how great it is. The solution to your problem of stopping a site from showing down if you take the site down was posted. If that's not good enough for you too fucking bad. You will shut a guys site down for non payment but you won't ftp in and delete a file? give me a fucking break.
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                                                                                                                                                                                                • romans
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                                                                                                                                                                                                  • Jan 2004
                                                                                                                                                                                                  • 10
                                                                                                                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by Superterrorizer

                                                                                                                                                                                                  ..snip..

                                                                                                                                                                                                  If you're going to classify a period of time your master server is unable to hit the sites running your monitor script due to a 403 or 404 error (or any other error related to the webmaster fucking something up) as "Host downtime" you are misrepresenting the facts. If that's causing a host to lose business, you better believe you can get sued especially when most hosts can back up the fact that their server was up with MRTG graphs, server logs, server performance graphs, and dozens of other means.


                                                                                                                                                                                                  Lose your fucking attitude ..
                                                                                                                                                                                                  ..snip..
                                                                                                                                                                                                  404 is not considered as downtime.

                                                                                                                                                                                                  and choker does have rights for his attitude, man.
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                                                                                                                                                                                                    • Choker
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                                                      • Apr 2001
                                                                                                                                                                                                      • 9024
                                                                                                                                                                                                      #50
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by Superterrorizer


                                                                                                                                                                                                      Listen to you, at it again. These people are being polite, trying to explain some flaws in your script, and you're off being a cock about it.

                                                                                                                                                                                                      If you're going to classify a period of time your master server is unable to hit the sites running your monitor script due to a 403 or 404 error (or any other error related to the webmaster fucking something up) as "Host downtime" you are misrepresenting the facts. If that's causing a host to lose business, you better believe you can get sued especially when most hosts can back up the fact that their server was up with MRTG graphs, server logs, server performance graphs, and dozens of other means.


                                                                                                                                                                                                      Lose your fucking attitude and listen to what the people are saying, stop being so defensive and consider for a moment they're trying to offer their opinions to help make your "service" better. What use is it to anyone if it's not accurate? You seriously need to reconsider what is considered host downtime, or remove it all together. I know you thought it would be cool and everyone would worship you if you could show how shitty all the hosts are, but from what I (and many others it would seem) am seeing, it's not working.
                                                                                                                                                                                                      LOL, whatever. Worship me? LOL, I really don't care if anyone uses this service or not. Defensive? Phatservers has done nothing but attack this service. When the solution to their problem was presented, they made a excuse for not using it and continue to whine and whine and whine.
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