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  • Snake Doctor
    I'm Lenny2 Bitch
    • Mar 2001
    • 13449
    #1

    Way to go ARS

    ARS is the first per sign up company to lower payouts.
    The new pay scale looks like this
    Free trial - $28
    2.99 3 day trial - $32
    $4.99 5 day trial - $35
    Monthly join - $50

    Its about time someone admits that members aren't worth nearly as much as they used to be, and there's no way a company will continue to be able to pay $35 and credit you with all signups honestly. At least not without ass fucking the surfer with a dick big enough to kill an elephant. (Remember, ARS pays on everything, all processors, checks, 1 900 joins, everything)

    I predict its just a matter of time before other per sign up companies follow their lead
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    • Pipecrew
      Master of Gfy.com
      • Feb 2002
      • 14888
      #2
      haha very true, i can see them all dropping to 25/

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        • Wilbo
          Confirmed User
          • Feb 2001
          • 2082
          #3
          Yes, I think it will be impossible for most places to just raise the shave ratio, webmasters would owe them money then

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            • Martin
              "Assassins"
              • Dec 2001
              • 17274
              #4
              Originally posted by Wilbo
              Yes, I think it will be impossible for most places to just raise the shave ratio, webmasters would owe them money then
              Your not kidding.. Ars can lick my penis, so can giga crap, top fucks, max crap and the rest of ya bitches

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                • WiredGuy
                  Pounding Googlebot
                  • Aug 2002
                  • 34515
                  #5
                  Hopefully this is not a sign of what we can expect from other companies... although ARS has been a leader on these things which does worry me.

                  WG
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                    • Steve
                      Confirmed User
                      • Feb 2001
                      • 6894
                      #6
                      Originally posted by Wilbo
                      Yes, I think it will be impossible for most places to just raise the shave ratio, webmasters would owe them money then
                      don't laugh - I had stats like that near the end of my run of pushing Vivid

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                        • basschick
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                          • Jan 2001
                          • 2540
                          #7
                          give credit where credit is due - ars isn't the first - silvercash lowered payouts $5 last year!
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                            • Tate
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                              • Aug 2001
                              • 56
                              #8
                              Hopefully with them lowering the payouts.....then my ratio might get better?
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                                • Mogul
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                                  • May 2001
                                  • 546
                                  #9
                                  Yea, you can only shave so much till you are at 80% shave

                                  I think we should all get together and lower payouts.

                                  Oh wait. Better yet. Stop shaving and go to an all REV SHARE industry. Pay people on their worth and fuck everyone else.

                                  I am waiting for a nice admin where I can select how much I wish to be shaved then it tells me my new payout

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                                    • ItBurnsWhenIpee
                                      Confirmed User
                                      • Jan 2003
                                      • 1288
                                      #10
                                      Yes we will get paid less for a $2.99 trial, but the default now has basically just moved from $2.99 for 3 days to $4.99 for 5 days. If you don't change anything, your join pages will just be for that time period and price, and you still get paid the same amount as before. So really I look at it as more of changing the price and length of the trial...I would think of it as lowering payout if the default was now set to $2.99 and $32 payout
                                      Last edited by ItBurnsWhenIpee; 04-16-2003, 06:27 PM.

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                                        • Backov
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                                          • Mar 2001
                                          • 1600
                                          #11
                                          I believe CE did it first, but too early.

                                          They changed their mind and upped the payouts again shortly after.
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                                            • KRL
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                                              • Oct 2002
                                              • 31429
                                              #12
                                              Originally posted by Martin


                                              Your not kidding.. Ars can lick my penis, so can giga crap, top fucks, max crap and the rest of ya bitches
                                              You're knocking ARS???
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                                                • Snake Doctor
                                                  I'm Lenny2 Bitch
                                                  • Mar 2001
                                                  • 13449
                                                  #13
                                                  This is different for a few reasons IMO.
                                                  Silvercash lowered payouts to $35, not from $35. They were trying to pay more than everyone else to get more volume, but apparently it wasn't profitable for them.

                                                  CE lowered payouts, but they were paying on active members, so that's more of a pseudo revshare program anyways.

                                                  The default 499 for 5 days instead of 299 for 3 days will do 2 things, it will increase ARS's conversions from trial membership to monthly membership, and it will make your signup ratios worse.

                                                  Remember when maxcash changed from 295 to 495 on their trials? They changed it back in a month because soooooo many of their webmasters were complaining about what it did to ratios and some of them started sending their traffic elsewhere.
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                                                    • KRL
                                                      Entrepreneur
                                                      • Oct 2002
                                                      • 31429
                                                      #14
                                                      Lenny you think a guy paying $2.99 will not go the $4.99? Its not that big a leap.
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                                                        • BlueDesignStudios
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                                                          • Feb 2003
                                                          • 9492
                                                          #15
                                                          Lenny you think a guy paying $2.99 will not go the $4.99? Its not that big a leap.
                                                          Sure $2 ain't much, but it's all relative, that's almost double the price

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                                                            • Pornkings
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                                                              • Oct 2002
                                                              • 5334
                                                              #16
                                                              why fuck with a 3 day trial or 5 day trial for whatever amount when you can get a site for
                                                              a $1 for a full month trial

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                                                                • Snake Doctor
                                                                  I'm Lenny2 Bitch
                                                                  • Mar 2001
                                                                  • 13449
                                                                  #17
                                                                  Originally posted by KRL
                                                                  Lenny you think a guy paying $2.99 will not go the $4.99? Its not that big a leap.
                                                                  It doesn't matter whether or not I think someone will or should do something, the numbers have proven themselves time and time again.

                                                                  Cheaper trial=more signups, less conversions to monthly.

                                                                  More expensive trial=less signups, better retention

                                                                  No trial=alot less signups, great retention

                                                                  That's why free trials convert the best, but the payouts are way less than a 495 trial, because the retention on them isn't as good.

                                                                  Its also one of the big reasons sites that don't offer trials (blacks on blondes, ATK etc) have such awesome retention.
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                                                                    • Snake Doctor
                                                                      I'm Lenny2 Bitch
                                                                      • Mar 2001
                                                                      • 13449
                                                                      #18
                                                                      Originally posted by Pornkings
                                                                      why fuck with a 3 day trial or 5 day trial for whatever amount when you can get a site for
                                                                      a $1 for a full month trial
                                                                      You just can't help yourself can you?
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                                                                        • PimpRoll
                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                          • Apr 2003
                                                                          • 1053
                                                                          #19
                                                                          They have an option to switch all your links to whatever payout option you want.

                                                                          I switched to the free. My conversions are fricking amazing now!!

                                                                          10 signups in the last 2 hours!!

                                                                          You have to give ARS a hand

                                                                          It's all about the size of the check <

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                                                                            • High Quality
                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                              • Feb 2002
                                                                              • 5741
                                                                              #20
                                                                              I think $28 per free trial (although a CC / check is still necessary) is a good idea.... I'll send them some traffic and see how it goes.

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                                                                                • Pornkings
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                                                                                  • Oct 2002
                                                                                  • 5334
                                                                                  #21
                                                                                  Originally posted by Lenny2


                                                                                  You just can't help yourself can you?
                                                                                  It's in my blood to speak the truth.
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                                                                                    • Snake Doctor
                                                                                      I'm Lenny2 Bitch
                                                                                      • Mar 2001
                                                                                      • 13449
                                                                                      #22
                                                                                      Originally posted by Pornkings


                                                                                      It's in my blood to speak the truth.

                                                                                      That's what she.....errrr....he.....errrr, it told me too
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                                                                                        • ItBurnsWhenIpee
                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                          • Jan 2003
                                                                                          • 1288
                                                                                          #23
                                                                                          Originally posted by PimpRoll
                                                                                          They have an option to switch all your links to whatever payout option you want.

                                                                                          I switched to the free. My conversions are fricking amazing now!!

                                                                                          10 signups in the last 2 hours!!

                                                                                          You have to give ARS a hand

                                                                                          It's all about the size of the check <
                                                                                          Wow, how many do you usually get in a day?

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                                                                                            • PimpRoll
                                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                                              • Apr 2003
                                                                                              • 1053
                                                                                              #24
                                                                                              I do double digits everyday with ARS

                                                                                              They are my main sponsor for per signup.

                                                                                              Then I use nichewealth.com for recurring.

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                                                                                                • ItBurnsWhenIpee
                                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                                  • Jan 2003
                                                                                                  • 1288
                                                                                                  #25
                                                                                                  Originally posted by PimpRoll
                                                                                                  I do double digits everyday with ARS

                                                                                                  They are my main sponsor for per signup.

                                                                                                  Then I use nichewealth.com for recurring.
                                                                                                  So are you doing like 3 times as many singups now with the free option or what? I'm trying to decide what option to use

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                                                                                                    • Sarah_Jayne
                                                                                                      Now with more Jayne
                                                                                                      • Dec 2002
                                                                                                      • 40077
                                                                                                      #26
                                                                                                      i'd rather have a structure like that then pie in the sky rates with other companies. I like the trend towards giving webmasters more control over how they promote. For example, console free tours, etc.

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                                                                                                        • KRL
                                                                                                          Entrepreneur
                                                                                                          • Oct 2002
                                                                                                          • 31429
                                                                                                          #27
                                                                                                          I've been testing all 3 settings overnight and so far the 3 day @ $2.99 is performing best.
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                                                                                                            • Vendot
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                                                                                                              • May 2002
                                                                                                              • 3376
                                                                                                              #28
                                                                                                              > ARS is the first per sign up company to lower payouts.
                                                                                                              > The new pay scale looks like this

                                                                                                              I applaud ARS for being upfront about it. Any case theyve just tied payments to the kind of sign-up rather than issuing set fee for any kind of sign up.

                                                                                                              Still, it was immensely predictable that something like this was about to happen. Free porn is killing this industry and unless people like "The Hun" start cutting down what they give away things can only get worse.

                                                                                                              I mean like a whole page of free links wasnt enough? He had to also introduct the "Overflow" Hun just to feed the cocks of those who were just about ready to pull their CC out.

                                                                                                              Sad state of affairs. I can imagine a number of them wont be reduce their sign up fees but instead pull da razors out and start shaving more.
                                                                                                              Last edited by Vendot; 04-17-2003, 05:02 AM.
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                                                                                                                • Pornkings
                                                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                                                  • Oct 2002
                                                                                                                  • 5334
                                                                                                                  #29
                                                                                                                  Originally posted by Lenny2


                                                                                                                  That's what she.....errrr....he.....errrr, it told me too
                                                                                                                  Ahh good one. LMAO
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                                                                                                                    • Marc De
                                                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                                                      • Jun 2001
                                                                                                                      • 632
                                                                                                                      #30
                                                                                                                      I don't use the term lowering payouts, rather, increasing the money earned per dollar of payout spent. Everyone has been talking about decreasing member values and how its harder and harder to obtain profitability in the current $35-40 model that SOOO many sponsors use. We took the initiative to give our webmasters the ability to make a decision on how we should deal with this lower member value.

                                                                                                                      Rather than a straight cut of payout, manditory increase in trial price, or stop crediting certain sign ups (or worse shaving) we decided to put as many of those options in our webmasters hands. Now they have the control!

                                                                                                                      We now offer FREE trials (new tours for the free trials for all 240+ tours in the ARS portfolio) as well which at a lower rate but better conversion could make everyone a lot more money.

                                                                                                                      I'm very interested to see who else will 'take the pludge' that every major sponsor I've talked to wanted to do, or who sits idly finding 'other' ways to profit


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                                                                                                                        • Vendot
                                                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                                                          • May 2002
                                                                                                                          • 3376
                                                                                                                          #31
                                                                                                                          > I'm very interested to see who else will 'take the pludge'
                                                                                                                          > that every major sponsor I've talked to wanted to do, or
                                                                                                                          > who sits idly finding 'other' ways to profit

                                                                                                                          My guess is that theyll all follow ARS' lead. They do for everything else so why not this......

                                                                                                                          Overall though, im far more interested in hearing about some kind of initiatives to reduce the amount of free porn in circulation.
                                                                                                                          "In a Time of Universal Deceit, Telling the Truth is a Revolutionary Act." - George Orwell

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                                                                                                                            • Jon
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                                                                                                                              • Jun 2002
                                                                                                                              • 2578
                                                                                                                              #32
                                                                                                                              There should actually be a payout scale, paying webmasters out on how the sale was generated, if theres a way to track it..

                                                                                                                              Gallries - $25/signup
                                                                                                                              Newsletters/Spam - $30/signup
                                                                                                                              Search Engines - $100/signup ;]

                                                                                                                              Yeah!
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                                                                                                                                • WiredGuy
                                                                                                                                  Pounding Googlebot
                                                                                                                                  • Aug 2002
                                                                                                                                  • 34515
                                                                                                                                  #33
                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by NiteChatDotTV
                                                                                                                                  Search Engines - $100/signup ;]

                                                                                                                                  Yeah!
                                                                                                                                  We would so be retired by now if that was the case
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                                                                                                                                    • Backov
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                                                                                                                                      • Mar 2001
                                                                                                                                      • 1600
                                                                                                                                      #34
                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by NiteChatDotTV
                                                                                                                                      There should actually be a payout scale, paying webmasters out on how the sale was generated, if theres a way to track it..

                                                                                                                                      Gallries - $25/signup
                                                                                                                                      Newsletters/Spam - $30/signup
                                                                                                                                      Search Engines - $100/signup ;]

                                                                                                                                      Yeah!
                                                                                                                                      There is - it's called revshare!
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                                                                                                                                        • Bex
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                                                                                                                                          • Feb 2003
                                                                                                                                          • 2382
                                                                                                                                          #35
                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by vendot
                                                                                                                                          > I'm very interested to see who else will 'take the pludge'
                                                                                                                                          > that every major sponsor I've talked to wanted to do, or
                                                                                                                                          > who sits idly finding 'other' ways to profit

                                                                                                                                          My guess is that theyll all follow ARS' lead. They do for everything else so why not this......
                                                                                                                                          I agree, and so should other programs follow suit ... i mean when something no longer works you either change with the times or fade away ... I applaud ARS for allowing their webmasters to choose what they get paid, instead of like Marc De said just giving a pay cut across the board.

                                                                                                                                          Good job ARS.


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                                                                                                                                            • sherie
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                                                                                                                                              • Feb 2002
                                                                                                                                              • 7020
                                                                                                                                              #36
                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by Pornkings


                                                                                                                                              Ahh good one. LMAO
                                                                                                                                              I was sitting across from you, and you know you were pondering! ;)
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                                                                                                                                                • SCJason
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                                                                                                                                                  • Mar 2002
                                                                                                                                                  • 1095
                                                                                                                                                  #37
                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by Pornkings
                                                                                                                                                  why fuck with a 3 day trial or 5 day trial for whatever amount when you can get a site for
                                                                                                                                                  a $1 for a full month trial
                                                                                                                                                  Nice Roger...............lol
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                                                                                                                                                    • Backov
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                                                                                                                                                      • Mar 2001
                                                                                                                                                      • 1600
                                                                                                                                                      #38
                                                                                                                                                      I just grabbed a bunch of link codes from them, and I must say ARS's new link code stuff is SWEET.

                                                                                                                                                      Good programming/interface job there guys.

                                                                                                                                                      Some hints for your programmers though Marc:

                                                                                                                                                      Alphabetize your categories - always.

                                                                                                                                                      Add more categories - a site shouldn't have to be in just one category - will make it easier to find.

                                                                                                                                                      Some of your sites are missing - ie, bikini category has no sites listed under it.

                                                                                                                                                      Cheers,
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                                                                                                                                                        • TondaB
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                                                                                                                                                          • May 2002
                                                                                                                                                          • 3162
                                                                                                                                                          #39
                                                                                                                                                          On behalf of WEGCash, I would like to say congratulations to Marc De and staff on the new features available with ARS. The new additions to your program look great and we wish you much success.

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                                                                                                                                                            • Porn Mickey
                                                                                                                                                              we all love porn
                                                                                                                                                              • Nov 2001
                                                                                                                                                              • 2840
                                                                                                                                                              #40
                                                                                                                                                              I like ARS and it's not a joke
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                                                                                                                                                                • slapass
                                                                                                                                                                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                                                                  • Nov 2002
                                                                                                                                                                  • 14625
                                                                                                                                                                  #41
                                                                                                                                                                  now that is has been a week are we all still happy? I got 3 sign ups yesterday and it would have been 105 and with all the options I got 78 instead. Woohoo!

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                                                                                                                                                                    • NWPhil
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                                                                                                                                                                      • Apr 2003
                                                                                                                                                                      • 1960
                                                                                                                                                                      #42
                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by slapass
                                                                                                                                                                      now that is has been a week are we all still happy? I got 3 sign ups yesterday and it would have been 105 and with all the options I got 78 instead. Woohoo!
                                                                                                                                                                      $78 for 3 signups how?
                                                                                                                                                                      free trials $28 x 3=$84

                                                                                                                                                                      the only way you could get $75 on 3 signups is
                                                                                                                                                                      1 free trial at 28
                                                                                                                                                                      1 4:99 trial at 35
                                                                                                                                                                      1 web900 at $15
                                                                                                                                                                      or
                                                                                                                                                                      2 4:99 trial $70
                                                                                                                                                                      1 byot sign $5

                                                                                                                                                                      in either case you would never have been getting $105 for those before

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                                                                                                                                                                        • Marc De
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                                                                                                                                                                          • Jun 2001
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                                                                                                                                                                          #43
                                                                                                                                                                          And now we're gonna add 15 Brand New Site, 30 Brand New Tours (10 of which are video / reality tours)

                                                                                                                                                                          Also we'll be adding some awesome new 'Flash Overlay' ads for every niche. This is good stuff...


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