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  • galleryseek
    Confirmed User
    • Mar 2002
    • 8234

    #1

    heres a few google questions

    sup..

    i'm finally starting to get into seo and i have a few questions. and i'm not going to bother to look through pages and pages of info to find the answers. these are pretty basic.

    1. Say you see googlebot in your traffic stats, approximately how long after until your site is indexed within google? (at the most)

    2. I keep seeing googlebot within my stats, practically on a daily basis, going through pages... I've read googlebot will spider through the sites it thinks are important, and may change often, and have a high PR (i'm not indexed yet though so its not showing a pr ranking), is this true? and if so, does the fact that googlebot spiders through my site often mean i'll most likely have a high PR?

    3. and, is it good to just get your links on as many sites as possible (regardless of their low PR), or is it best to stick with only targeting sites with a high PR?
  • Jon
    Confirmed User
    • Jun 2002
    • 2578

    #2
    Gary-

    1. Anywhere between 3-6 weeks on avg.

    2. It'll spider through all of your pages, regardless of it's importance, it's the listings that show how important those sites are. The changes will happen everytime it's re-indexed, so if you have a site on #5, and someone else's site is submitted a week later that may be more relevant to the keyword, that guy's site won't knock your site lower until the next re-indexing period. If you don't keep the site updated, chances are you may lose your current rank status. Then again, Google's algo changes pretty damn often that it's tough to tell if you will lose or gain ranking.

    3. PageRank refers to how many other sites link to you. If you target higher PR'ed sites, then you may boost your PR by a few points, but in my opinion, it's better to target everyone, becuase the more link popularity you have, the better chance you have to a higher ranking with PR.

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    • juicylinks
      So Fucking Banned
      • Apr 2001
      • 122992

      #3
      Nitechat you do SEO for mainstream?

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      • Jon
        Confirmed User
        • Jun 2002
        • 2578

        #4
        If it's profitable, I'll SEO it.
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        • WiredGuy
          Pounding Googlebot
          • Aug 2002
          • 34516

          #5
          1) It depends on how you got spidered. If you have a link from a high PR site AND freshbot visits that site, then freshbot will spider your link and you can get listed within a day or two but deep crawls typically 4-6 weeks as adltbiz mentioned.

          2) Google will spider all your links in due time unless you specifically block it. Google typically does deep crawls once per month where PR's are re-calculated since its a recursive formula. Daily fluctuations happen from Freshbot which spiders some sites more often than during the deep crawl.

          3) It's not the number of links that really matter so much as quality of the links. Obviously the more the links you have the better your PR will become, but its more important to get high PR sites to link to you than numerous low PR sites. There's also some speculation that Google is starting to do content-specific clustering (identifying certain groups of sites within categories), but as I said, its just speculation and I'm unsure how this would affect rankings if its being used.

          WG
          I play with Google.

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          • galleryseek
            Confirmed User
            • Mar 2002
            • 8234

            #6
            ok guys, thanks for the info...

            heres another one...

            say if my site is ran soley by dynamic php scripts opposed to flat html... and say i have like an article database of 30 articles, but they're all shown through the same php script, like this:

            www.whatever.com/article.php?id=424

            will google still be able to crawl through the article.php page with the parameters at the end to read all the stories (all the links to each page would be linked from the articles archive), or would google only read it once since its coming from the same script article.php. ?

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            • WiredGuy
              Pounding Googlebot
              • Aug 2002
              • 34516

              #7
              Originally posted by galleryseek
              ok guys, thanks for the info...

              heres another one...

              say if my site is ran soley by dynamic php scripts opposed to flat html... and say i have like an article database of 30 articles, but they're all shown through the same php script, like this:

              www.whatever.com/article.php?id=424

              will google still be able to crawl through the article.php page with the parameters at the end to read all the stories (all the links to each page would be linked from the articles archive), or would google only read it once since its coming from the same script article.php. ?

              I just answered something very similiar to this on another board so I'll just copy and paste it here:


              While there is no concrete evidence that will specifically prove or disprove that Google penalizes PHP pages, I do know that Google tends to avoid (but not ban) pages with parameters as there could be an infinite possibility of pages. So, for example, if you have a url of the following format: http://www.domain.com/index.php google will recognize this as a regular webpage because there are no parameters but a page such as http://www.domain.com/index.php?wm_id=whatever will cause google to try to avoid this page since the wm_id parameter could be anything and lead to an infinite number of webpages.

              Now, I'm not saying that google will penalize the latter case, but rather avoid it for as long as it can. If however, you have a lot of inbound links to a page with parameters, google will pick it up. An example of this can be seen by popular sites, for example: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&....com+threesomes

              You'll notice that there are about 130+ affiliate links in there but there are definitely many more pages listed in google which links to threesomes.com. So once enough inbound links are found (with sufficiently high pagerank) Google will pick it up, but it is best to use the direct link with no parameters at all.

              There are a few ways to fool google around this though, one way is to avoid using the question mark and ampersand as parameter delimiters.

              Apart than this, the best example I can use to illustrate that Google does not penalize PHP pages directly is a simple link to PHP's official site: http://www.php.net/index.php which has a pagerank of 9/10. This alone should be ample to show that Google doesn't specifically discriminate against PHP.


              And now some documents to support my post...

              >>>
              From Google: "If your company buys a content management system, make sure that the system can export your content so that search engine spiders can crawl your site."

              -- This specifically implies that content management systems which are famous for using databases which are referenced by parameters to create search engine friendly pages.
              URL: http://www.google.com/webmasters/guidelines.html

              >>>
              From webmasterworld discussion forum, see comments from GoogleGuy "... google is actually pretty great at dynamic urls and getting better, but session ids cause a problem because they expire."

              -- Once again, identifying the difference between a session id and a regular variable is not a simple determination and as such can result in certain pages being penalized or otherwise skipped during indexing.

              URL: http://www.webmasterworld.com/forum3/9990.htm

              >>>
              One more link from webmasterworld discussion forum, where a solid example is given regarding a discussion board (which uses parameters), and GoogleGuy confirming the link.

              URL: http://www.webmasterworld.com/forum3/7171.htm


              WG
              I play with Google.

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              • Jon
                Confirmed User
                • Jun 2002
                • 2578

                #8
                Damn, that was really well put WG.

                Right on!

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                • WiredGuy
                  Pounding Googlebot
                  • Aug 2002
                  • 34516

                  #9
                  Originally posted by NiteChatDotTV
                  Damn, that was really well put WG.

                  Right on!

                  Thanks
                  WG
                  I play with Google.

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