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  • Kimmykim
    bitchslapping zebras!!!!!
    • Jun 2001
    • 16015

    #1

    Banners.spotbrokers.com announcement

    April 22, 2003, somewhere on the World Wide Web --

    Spotbrokers.com announces the release of Bannerclix! The innovative new way to buy and sell non-gallery traffic for paysites, tgps, AVS, any site in need of traffic in any quantity. As many of you are aware, we?ve been oversold on non-gallery traffic for quite some time now -- with the introduction of Bannerclix we will again be able to offer filtered, non-hitbot, clicked uniques at reasonable prices -- traffic that can be sent to paysite tours, tgps, you name it!!! We have added traffic in some categories we don't support in the gallery program like celeb to Bannerclix, making it the most flexible traffic flow system in the adult space.

    For sellers, Bannerclix can be used on any type of site; you simply substitute our code in place of any banner on the page, after collecting the unique code from the generator. Buyers then bid on banner clicks by category and GEOGRAPHIC region ? making this the obvious choice for site owners looking for specifically targeted traffic to suit their needs! There are very few limits on who can purchase traffic and what sites they can send it to, but please review the terms prior to purchase.

    For more information on buying or selling traffic thru the Bannerclix system, please check out http://banners.spotbrokers.com
  • Wizzo
    2011 GFY Hall of Fame!
    • Nov 2000
    • 15224

    #2
    Sweet...
    Looking for Opportunity!

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    • ElvisManson
      Looking California
      • Feb 2001
      • 5476

      #3
      Looks like good stuff Kimmy

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      • 2dXtreme
        Registered User
        • Jun 2002
        • 43

        #4
        Sounds very good! add stormpay to the list of pay options and I'm game
        Move along there's nothing to see here

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        • Kimmykim
          bitchslapping zebras!!!!!
          • Jun 2001
          • 16015

          #5
          Originally posted by 2dXtreme
          Sounds very good! add stormpay to the list of pay options and I'm game
          Sorry 2d, when it comes to money we only deal with companies that we know and trust, and Paypal as well.

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          • SleazyDream
            I'm here for SPORT
            • Jul 2001
            • 41470

            #6
            nice
            This dog, is dog, a dog, good dog, way dog, to dog, keep dog, an dog, idiot dog, busy dog, for dog, 20 dog, seconds dog!

            Now read without the word dog.

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            • Backov
              Confirmed User
              • Mar 2001
              • 1600

              #7
              Some details..

              Currently we only have 3 banner sizes active.. 468x60, 468x80 and 120x60 - they're the most common ones of course.

              We have about 15 other sizes waiting in the wings, 6 of which will be activated within a week if all goes well.. (To activate a size, we need a few banners for every size and category, plus a paysite to send it to).

              Categories, we don't have all of them in place yet.. I had to trim about 30 off the final product due to inadequate banners. If we don't have your category and you have or can provide a good affiliate program and a few banners for every size, we'll add the category.

              EDIT: I should also point out that you upload your banners to us, there is no "generic" banners that we use, it's all your banners as the buyers. Our filler is just the banners from every big paysite program we could get to send us all their banners. ;>

              Cheers,
              Backov
              Last edited by Backov; 04-22-2003, 01:28 PM.
              <embed src="http://banners.spotbrokers.com/button.swf" FlashVars="clickURL=http://banners.spotbrokers.com" quality=high pluginspage="http://www.macromedia.com/shockwave/download/index.cgi?P1_Prod_Version=ShockwaveFlash" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" width="120" height="60"></embed>

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              • easyfun
                Confirmed User
                • Apr 2003
                • 731

                #8
                Is this system Sunny Dollars proof?
                <p><embed width="120" height="60" src="http://www.harlotcash.com/harlot_3.swf"><br>
                </p>

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                • Kimmykim
                  bitchslapping zebras!!!!!
                  • Jun 2001
                  • 16015

                  #9
                  Originally posted by easyfun
                  Is this system Sunny Dollars proof?
                  What is Sunny Dollars proof and I'll tell you.

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                  • European Lee
                    Confirmed User
                    • Dec 2002
                    • 7133

                    #10
                    Geo targets allow you to specify where you want your traffic to come from. Different geo targets will have different bidding rates. <This is explained poorly. It should be rewritten by either you or me>
                    Might wanna take out this section on the Geotargetting page hon:

                    This is explained poorly. It should be rewritten by either you or me
                    Looking good though

                    Regards,

                    Lee
                    YOUR TRAFFIC IS SAFE WITH US - CONDOM CASH
                    PUTTING THE GAY ADULT INDUSTRY ON YOUR PC!!
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                    • Kimmykim
                      bitchslapping zebras!!!!!
                      • Jun 2001
                      • 16015

                      #11
                      LOL Lee, you are absolutely right ;)

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                      • Shoplifter
                        Richest man in Babylon
                        • Jan 2002
                        • 5870

                        #12
                        Which categories are currently available? I looked and mine are not...
                        I Like Blondes

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                        • Backov
                          Confirmed User
                          • Mar 2001
                          • 1600

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Shoplifter
                          Which categories are currently available? I looked and mine are not...
                          What are your categories? I will make up a page that will show them all.
                          <embed src="http://banners.spotbrokers.com/button.swf" FlashVars="clickURL=http://banners.spotbrokers.com" quality=high pluginspage="http://www.macromedia.com/shockwave/download/index.cgi?P1_Prod_Version=ShockwaveFlash" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" width="120" height="60"></embed>

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                          • Gary
                            Confirmed User
                            • Aug 2001
                            • 6110

                            #14
                            AWESOME!!!

                            Cant wait to try it out.

                            How are you guys stocked on goat sex traffic?

                            Up to 35$ per join...!

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                            • Shoplifter
                              Richest man in Babylon
                              • Jan 2002
                              • 5870

                              #15
                              Asian
                              AutoBukkake
                              Abusive Trannies

                              Etc.
                              I Like Blondes

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                              • lagwagon
                                Confirmed User
                                • Jul 2001
                                • 8464

                                #16
                                buying some now. lets see how it goes.

                                FTVGirls - FTVMilfs - DanielleFTV

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                                • easyfun
                                  Confirmed User
                                  • Apr 2003
                                  • 731

                                  #17
                                  QUOTE]What is Sunny Dollars proof and I'll tell you.[/QUOTE]
                                  When you were at ccbill, they hacked my stats page over a six month period - Even tho I changed the password every month.
                                  You wouldn't give me the logs to do them - Allowing them to get away with it and do thousands of other webmasters.
                                  I am still trying to work out how it was my fault (your words)
                                  I guess all the other webmasters were at fault, too?
                                  <p><embed width="120" height="60" src="http://www.harlotcash.com/harlot_3.swf"><br>
                                  </p>

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                                  • Candyman69
                                    Confirmed User
                                    • Jul 2002
                                    • 764

                                    #18
                                    Good work , gonna try some !
                                    domain buyer

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                                    • Kimmykim
                                      bitchslapping zebras!!!!!
                                      • Jun 2001
                                      • 16015

                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by easyfun
                                      QUOTE]What is Sunny Dollars proof and I'll tell you.

                                      When you were at ccbill, they hacked my stats page over a six month period - Even tho I changed the password every month.
                                      You wouldn't give me the logs to do them - Allowing them to get away with it and do thousands of other webmasters.
                                      I am still trying to work out how it was my fault (your words)
                                      I guess all the other webmasters were at fault, too?
                                      [/QUOTE]


                                      When I was at CCBill I am sure I told you, just like I told other people that asked for things that we were contractually unable to provide without a court order, to go and get one.

                                      Of course it's been almost a year since I was at CCBill you know... and I still don't know that you ever proved anything other than your persistence in asking for something you were well aware of how to get.

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                                      • Shoplifter
                                        Richest man in Babylon
                                        • Jan 2002
                                        • 5870

                                        #20
                                        I just get "non unified" when I bid.

                                        ICQ me 17249164
                                        I Like Blondes

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                                        • easyfun
                                          Confirmed User
                                          • Apr 2003
                                          • 731

                                          #21
                                          I damn well got a cout order - The logs showing sunny dollars hacking couldn't be found by ccbill -
                                          You and Tom Fisher were the only ones who had the details about it - You left and Fisher suffers memory loss.

                                          If someone steals - You shouldn't help them....
                                          <p><embed width="120" height="60" src="http://www.harlotcash.com/harlot_3.swf"><br>
                                          </p>

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                                          • Darin
                                            Confirmed User
                                            • Aug 2002
                                            • 345

                                            #22
                                            Kimmy will we be able to transfer our money made on spotbrokers to the banner program?
                                            SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, then you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60.

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                                            • Kimmykim
                                              bitchslapping zebras!!!!!
                                              • Jun 2001
                                              • 16015

                                              #23
                                              If you got a court order, then you'd have been dealing with Tom Fisher at that point, not me. While I no longer work at CCBill I do know that they have never failed to comply with a legal order to produce information, when signed by a judge.

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                                              • Kimmykim
                                                bitchslapping zebras!!!!!
                                                • Jun 2001
                                                • 16015

                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by Darin
                                                Kimmy will we be able to transfer our money made on spotbrokers to the banner program?
                                                Now y'all know I'm a technical dunce. But I'd bet Backov can help you

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                                                • Backov
                                                  Confirmed User
                                                  • Mar 2001
                                                  • 1600

                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by Shoplifter
                                                  I just get "non unified" when I bid.

                                                  ICQ me 17249164
                                                  That would be most likely because your site doesn't have a category - you need to have at least one category to bid on one. ;>
                                                  <embed src="http://banners.spotbrokers.com/button.swf" FlashVars="clickURL=http://banners.spotbrokers.com" quality=high pluginspage="http://www.macromedia.com/shockwave/download/index.cgi?P1_Prod_Version=ShockwaveFlash" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" width="120" height="60"></embed>

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                                                  • Backov
                                                    Confirmed User
                                                    • Mar 2001
                                                    • 1600

                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by Darin
                                                    Kimmy will we be able to transfer our money made on spotbrokers to the banner program?
                                                    I haven't coded it yet, but I can and most likely will. They're seperate systems right now, but they can talk a bit.
                                                    <embed src="http://banners.spotbrokers.com/button.swf" FlashVars="clickURL=http://banners.spotbrokers.com" quality=high pluginspage="http://www.macromedia.com/shockwave/download/index.cgi?P1_Prod_Version=ShockwaveFlash" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" width="120" height="60"></embed>

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                                                    • easyfun
                                                      Confirmed User
                                                      • Apr 2003
                                                      • 731

                                                      #27
                                                      I was only dealing with you and a guy called Mark -
                                                      You both showed me sunny dollars had entered my ccbill stats page 215 times over a six month period -

                                                      You wouldn't give me the logs - So I took you emails, Marks and Tom Fishers's to court and was given access -

                                                      But all the proof, ccbill no longer had - Yours, Marks' and TF emails prooved it once existed.

                                                      So what happened to it?

                                                      If you want scumbags running the adultside of the internet - You let them -
                                                      And you certainly did.

                                                      So how much did you rake out of it?

                                                      You have a nice traffic program going - I wouldn't purchase one hit from it -
                                                      <p><embed width="120" height="60" src="http://www.harlotcash.com/harlot_3.swf"><br>
                                                      </p>

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                                                      • Nysus
                                                        Confirmed User
                                                        • Aug 2001
                                                        • 7817

                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by Gary
                                                        AWESOME!!!

                                                        Cant wait to try it out.

                                                        How are you guys stocked on goat sex traffic?
                                                        There's going to be a war!!! Damn you Gary!!!

                                                        Cheers,
                                                        Matt
                                                        What name is pr0 / Untouched Markets using these days? Untouched Markets - pr0 - Refund My Money Now

                                                        Someone owes me $2,000 because they didn't do any work that was paid for *pointing at pr0 / William / UntouchedMarkets*

                                                        See http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?p=16744521 and for more detailed see http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?t=948645

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                                                        • Backov
                                                          Confirmed User
                                                          • Mar 2001
                                                          • 1600

                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by Shoplifter
                                                          Asian
                                                          AutoBukkake
                                                          Abusive Trannies

                                                          Etc.
                                                          Ok, fire putting out completed..

                                                          We have Asian, but what the hell is AutoBukkake?
                                                          <embed src="http://banners.spotbrokers.com/button.swf" FlashVars="clickURL=http://banners.spotbrokers.com" quality=high pluginspage="http://www.macromedia.com/shockwave/download/index.cgi?P1_Prod_Version=ShockwaveFlash" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" width="120" height="60"></embed>

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                                                          • Theo
                                                            HAL 9000
                                                            • May 2001
                                                            • 34515

                                                            #30
                                                            easyfun, sunnydollars hacked your account?

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                                                            • gothweb
                                                              Confirmed User
                                                              • Jun 2002
                                                              • 8849

                                                              #31
                                                              I hope you are using some of my banners for gothic banner-click traffic.

                                                              Photos by Ian X.: Distinctive photos of goth babes.
                                                              Blood Money:Your traffic, my sites, our money.
                                                              MojoHost: Still the best.

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                                                              • Theo
                                                                HAL 9000
                                                                • May 2001
                                                                • 34515

                                                                #32
                                                                and Kimmykim congratulations for the good job


                                                                do you accept dialers as well?

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                                                                • Plat
                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                  • Jan 2002
                                                                  • 2680

                                                                  #33
                                                                  You are paid on a per click basis, based on what the buyers are bidding for the category, banner size and geographic type of traffic that you have visiting your site.
                                                                  What is the percentage of what i'll get paid on a per click basis?

                                                                  Someone contact me #45580484 i'd like to know more :c)
                                                                  Im fuckin retired

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                                                                  • Theo
                                                                    HAL 9000
                                                                    • May 2001
                                                                    • 34515

                                                                    #34
                                                                    nevermind,if its not autodownloading according to TOS its ok

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                                                                    • Backov
                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                      • Mar 2001
                                                                      • 1600

                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by Soul_Rebel
                                                                      and Kimmykim congratulations for the good job


                                                                      do you accept dialers as well?
                                                                      Yep dialers are cool as long as there's no JS or ActiveX exploits involved. ;>
                                                                      <embed src="http://banners.spotbrokers.com/button.swf" FlashVars="clickURL=http://banners.spotbrokers.com" quality=high pluginspage="http://www.macromedia.com/shockwave/download/index.cgi?P1_Prod_Version=ShockwaveFlash" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" width="120" height="60"></embed>

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                                                                      • Backov
                                                                        Confirmed User
                                                                        • Mar 2001
                                                                        • 1600

                                                                        #36
                                                                        Originally posted by Plat


                                                                        What is the percentage of what i'll get paid on a per click basis?

                                                                        Someone contact me #45580484 i'd like to know more :c)
                                                                        50% is the percentage. This is all completely new to us (and everyone), so that's what it is right now.

                                                                        At 50% interestingly enough, we JUST break even on the bandwidth at the minimum bid for the good regions, and lose money on the bad ones. ;>

                                                                        Cheers,
                                                                        Backov
                                                                        <embed src="http://banners.spotbrokers.com/button.swf" FlashVars="clickURL=http://banners.spotbrokers.com" quality=high pluginspage="http://www.macromedia.com/shockwave/download/index.cgi?P1_Prod_Version=ShockwaveFlash" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" width="120" height="60"></embed>

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                                                                        • Theo
                                                                          HAL 9000
                                                                          • May 2001
                                                                          • 34515

                                                                          #37
                                                                          Backov,what's the max kb size for a banner? I didn't find anything in the members area, im not sure if it's mention when i'll try to upload one later on

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                                                                          • Backov
                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                            • Mar 2001
                                                                            • 1600

                                                                            #38
                                                                            Originally posted by Soul_Rebel
                                                                            Backov,what's the max kb size for a banner? I didn't find anything in the members area, im not sure if it's mention when i'll try to upload one later on
                                                                            Depends on the type - I am working on a few informational screens like that one, it's pretty bare bones right now. I think it's pretty large for the 468s, like 40-50k..

                                                                            It'll bounce your banner if it's too big, don't worry. ;>
                                                                            <embed src="http://banners.spotbrokers.com/button.swf" FlashVars="clickURL=http://banners.spotbrokers.com" quality=high pluginspage="http://www.macromedia.com/shockwave/download/index.cgi?P1_Prod_Version=ShockwaveFlash" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" width="120" height="60"></embed>

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                                                                            • Kimmykim
                                                                              bitchslapping zebras!!!!!
                                                                              • Jun 2001
                                                                              • 16015

                                                                              #39
                                                                              Originally posted by easyfun
                                                                              I was only dealing with you and a guy called Mark -
                                                                              You both showed me sunny dollars had entered my ccbill stats page 215 times over a six month period -

                                                                              You wouldn't give me the logs - So I took you emails, Marks and Tom Fishers's to court and was given access -

                                                                              But all the proof, ccbill no longer had - Yours, Marks' and TF emails prooved it once existed.

                                                                              So what happened to it?

                                                                              If you want scumbags running the adultside of the internet - You let them -
                                                                              And you certainly did.

                                                                              So how much did you rake out of it?

                                                                              You have a nice traffic program going - I wouldn't purchase one hit from it -
                                                                              You know what buddy, if you'd like to start a thread about CCBill, no one is stopping you. THIS thread is not about CCBill. Though someone hacking your account 215 times in 6 months is not hacking, it's too incredible to believe. Unless you changed your password 214 times. As for someone 'raking out of it' now you are really out in left field, but that's fine as well. Now, if you'd like to continue on telling me how you won't buy traffic because we suck, we don't have goat sex fast enough for Gary, or you just think I'm a gold digging, arrogant, narcistic, useless bitch, then carry on.

                                                                              I'm headed out to a meeting for a charity I'm involved in locally, our biggest benefit of the year is this weekend and we have a run thru at Symphony Hall in less than an hour.

                                                                              But I will be back, so you can have at it.

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                                                                              • strobi
                                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                                • Nov 2002
                                                                                • 7383

                                                                                #40
                                                                                Awsome! Selling some spots now....

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                                                                                • PeekHoles
                                                                                  Registered User
                                                                                  • Jan 2002
                                                                                  • 1151

                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  Sweet deal...

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                                                                                  • hybrid
                                                                                    So Fucking Banned
                                                                                    • Jul 2002
                                                                                    • 3253

                                                                                    #42
                                                                                    You know what buddy, if you'd like to start a thread about CCBill, no one is stopping you. THIS thread is not about CCBill. Though someone hacking your account 215 times in 6 months is not hacking, it's too incredible to believe. Unless you changed your password 214 times. As for someone 'raking out of it' now you are really out in left field, but that's fine as well. Now, if you'd like to continue on telling me how you won't buy traffic because we suck, we don't have goat sex fast enough for Gary, or you just think I'm a gold digging, arrogant, narcistic, useless bitch, then carry on.

                                                                                    I'm headed out to a meeting for a charity I'm involved in locally, our biggest benefit of the year is this weekend and we have a run thru at Symphony Hall in less than an hour.

                                                                                    But I will be back, so you can have at it.
                                                                                    I just have one question:

                                                                                    Why is it, that in almost every thread I see your name in, there's always a conflict concerning your reputation's validity?

                                                                                    I'm just curious.

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                                                                                    • Backov
                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                      • Mar 2001
                                                                                      • 1600

                                                                                      #43
                                                                                      Originally posted by hybrid
                                                                                      I just have one question:

                                                                                      Why is it, that in almost every thread I see your name in, there's always a conflict concerning your reputation's validity?

                                                                                      I'm just curious.
                                                                                      People in this industry know who Kimmy is and don't have a problem doing biz with her. That says a lot. People in this biz respect Kimmy, for good reason.

                                                                                      When you're in a position of any responsibility for any length of time, there's ALWAYS going to be people that have a beef with you, justified or otherwise.

                                                                                      Do a search for Kimmykim on this board. There's 2071 threads with her name in them. Feel free to do a sampling.
                                                                                      <embed src="http://banners.spotbrokers.com/button.swf" FlashVars="clickURL=http://banners.spotbrokers.com" quality=high pluginspage="http://www.macromedia.com/shockwave/download/index.cgi?P1_Prod_Version=ShockwaveFlash" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" width="120" height="60"></embed>

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                                                                                      • hybrid
                                                                                        So Fucking Banned
                                                                                        • Jul 2002
                                                                                        • 3253

                                                                                        #44
                                                                                        Do a search for Kimmykim on this board. There's 2071 threads with her name in them. Feel free to do a sampling.
                                                                                        That's what I was referring to.

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                                                                                        • Backov
                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                          • Mar 2001
                                                                                          • 1600

                                                                                          #45
                                                                                          Originally posted by hybrid
                                                                                          That's what I was referring to.
                                                                                          And I was referring to your completely unsubstantiated claim. As I said, feel free to do a sampling.
                                                                                          <embed src="http://banners.spotbrokers.com/button.swf" FlashVars="clickURL=http://banners.spotbrokers.com" quality=high pluginspage="http://www.macromedia.com/shockwave/download/index.cgi?P1_Prod_Version=ShockwaveFlash" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" width="120" height="60"></embed>

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                                                                                          • hybrid
                                                                                            So Fucking Banned
                                                                                            • Jul 2002
                                                                                            • 3253

                                                                                            #46
                                                                                            completely unsubstantiated claim
                                                                                            Ok.

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                                                                                            • Theo
                                                                                              HAL 9000
                                                                                              • May 2001
                                                                                              • 34515

                                                                                              #47
                                                                                              i got everything up very fast
                                                                                              one request for the future to have in mind and if possible to add.....

                                                                                              at least for the european countries the geotarget i believe should allow the buer to put a separate banner/link for each one of them. So we could work with german,italian,spanish etc banners and achive better results and higher CTR.

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                                                                                              • Backov
                                                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                                                • Mar 2001
                                                                                                • 1600

                                                                                                #48
                                                                                                Originally posted by Soul_Rebel
                                                                                                i got everything up very fast
                                                                                                one request for the future to have in mind and if possible to add.....

                                                                                                at least for the european countries the geotarget i believe should allow the buer to put a separate banner/link for each one of them. So we could work with german,italian,spanish etc banners and achive better results and higher CTR.
                                                                                                Yep I understand the problem - the issue is that doing that kind of screws up the whole system. It's a difficult algorithm, and having the countries overlap (as they would have to for individual countries) - makes things rough.

                                                                                                I've been thinking about a solution though and will continue to do so.

                                                                                                Cheers,
                                                                                                Backov
                                                                                                <embed src="http://banners.spotbrokers.com/button.swf" FlashVars="clickURL=http://banners.spotbrokers.com" quality=high pluginspage="http://www.macromedia.com/shockwave/download/index.cgi?P1_Prod_Version=ShockwaveFlash" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" width="120" height="60"></embed>

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                                                                                                • foreverjason
                                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                                  • Mar 2003
                                                                                                  • 1452

                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                  nice!

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                                                                                                  • Kimmykim
                                                                                                    bitchslapping zebras!!!!!
                                                                                                    • Jun 2001
                                                                                                    • 16015

                                                                                                    #50
                                                                                                    Originally posted by hybrid
                                                                                                    That's what I was referring to.
                                                                                                    LOL, I'm waiting.

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