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  • UnseenWorld
    Confirmed User
    • May 2001
    • 5279

    #1

    Somebody Did Something Really Dumb and it Hurts!

    Many of you don't know, but while I have a huge number of photos for sale, I'm still a 1-1/4 person (with a part-timer) operation. My "ride" is a bicycle. I live in a 1-bedroom apartment where the bedroom is an office, and while my gross might impress some, my net is well down in the 5 figures paying models, renting locations, buying photo equipment, and so on, gets expensive, plus money I make pretty much gets plowed back into the business right away.

    So, when somebody downloads a shitload of photos and pays for it with a charge card, and then 6 weeks later I get a chargeback notice saying the owner of the card made no such purchase (around $2400), it really hurts. I just don't keep that kind of money laying around in my account.

    Now, someone downloaded a shitload of sets, gave me someone else's card number, and doesn't dare send in the license. I just wonder what in the world they would hope to accomplish by doing that...probably use it to screw some third party.

    It is not going to be easy to deal with this kind of hit. I'm going to be using every resource available to discover who did it (records of IP numbers if they're available), but I may just be stuck with this bill. After 6 weeks, the money has been spent.

    I'm just depressing how thoughtless some people can be.

    This will probably mean I will have to get all kinds of confirming documentary evidence before putting large sales with new customers through in the future.
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  • X37375787

    #2
    Sorry to hear that. Fraud is such a shame, where did all the honesty go. I'm pretty sure you'll be able to figure out who did it, tracing IPs... or in the best case you'll find your content in someone's tour who didn't license it.

    Good luck.

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    • Stallion
      Confirmed User
      • Jan 2001
      • 6632

      #3
      Damn sorry to hear that. Unfortunately it just goes to show you that some people in this business will do anything they can to scam others. I hope you find out exactly who did this and make them pay what they are entitled to.
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      • Sassyass
        Confirmed User
        • Dec 2002
        • 1101

        #4
        No honor.
        I'm sorry that happened to you.

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        • AaronM
          GFY Royality ;)
          • Oct 2001
          • 46917

          #5
          Originally posted by Stallion
          Damn sorry to hear that. Unfortunately it just goes to show you that some people in this business will do anything they can to scam others. I hope you find out exactly who did this and make them pay what they are entitled to.
          Jail time?

          Fraud is fraud.

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          • Jakke PNG
            ex-TeenGodFather
            • Nov 2001
            • 20306

            #6
            I fucking hate thieves with passion.
            Especially if they steal from me. But I'm sorry to hear that, hope ya get it sorted
            ..and I'm off.

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            • kenny
              Confirmed User
              • Mar 2002
              • 7245

              #7
              Sorry to here that happen bro, I hope that asshole gets what he deserves. Who was it if I may ask?
              7

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              • hershie
                Confirmed User
                • Jun 2002
                • 4642

                #8
                Best of luck catching the prick. Hope it gets resolved soon.

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                • AaronM
                  GFY Royality ;)
                  • Oct 2001
                  • 46917

                  #9
                  Originally posted by kenny
                  Sorry to here that happen bro, I hope that asshole gets what he deserves. Who was it if I may ask?
                  Did you catch the part about using another persons card?

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                  • kacy
                    Confirmed User
                    • Oct 2002
                    • 877

                    #10
                    That sucks Sorry to hear that. Let me know if you need help tracking down the ip for the downsloads to try and match it up to the location of the cc holder. It might help you out in fighting the charge back. How long ago was the download? Like 6 weeks ago? Well send me whatever info you have and we'll see what we can track down for ya.

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                    • Lily
                      Confirmed User
                      • Jan 2003
                      • 147

                      #11
                      God that SUCKS. I've never had a chargeback that big. This last week a guy's mom found out he had a little "habit" and forced him to dispute well over $5,000 in PayPal payments made to a bunch of phone sex companies.

                      I got hit for about $1500, I think I took the worst of it.

                      It's a horrible, horrible thing and I hope someone figures out how to stop this kind of thing soon. I'm starting to think bar codes, finger printing or retinal scans tied to your bank account aren't a bad thing.

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                      • MrPopup
                        Confirmed User
                        • Aug 2002
                        • 3783

                        #12
                        Originally posted by kenny
                        Sorry to here that happen bro, I hope that asshole gets what he deserves. Who was it if I may ask?
                        I think a lot of webmasters manipulate the system and play the "fool the credit card" company game....

                        I also think the CC companies are so busy spamming high interest, high risk cards to everyone, the sheer amount of fraud has increased by a huge amount.
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                        • AOLGuy
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                          • Oct 2002
                          • 1261

                          #13
                          Man, that's fucked up.

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                          • gothweb
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                            • Jun 2002
                            • 8849

                            #14
                            That just isn't right. I'm sorry to hear that.

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                            • Why
                              MFBA
                              • Mar 2003
                              • 7230

                              #15
                              thats fucked up shit man.

                              dont call the authorites, get a really sharp knife,a nd apply light pressure with it to the base of the scrotum. and pull. or push... depending on angle. but you get the picture.

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                              • quiet
                                we'll miss you our friend. RIP
                                • Sep 2001
                                • 25115

                                #16
                                yeah, this industry is absolutely full of cheaters and scammers.

                                scum.
                                we'll miss you our friend. RIP

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                                • OzKaNoz
                                  Confirmed User
                                  • Jan 2001
                                  • 1834

                                  #17
                                  UnseenWorld
                                  Damn, sorry to hear this. Hope you get some justice on this.

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                                  • OzKaNoz
                                    Confirmed User
                                    • Jan 2001
                                    • 1834

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by quiet
                                    yeah, this industry is absolutely full of cheaters and scammers.

                                    scum.
                                    But that's true in anything. Most are just looking for quick money and don't care about it being a business.

                                    Why is it that most treat the adult porn business as a hobby?
                                    Get in and get out with what ever you can still, sad.

                                    It just totally screws up those that are honest and running things as a business.

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                                    • Tukhman
                                      Confirmed User
                                      • Jun 2001
                                      • 337

                                      #19
                                      Sorry to hear that. Best thing to do in these cases is to always require additional information, such as the authorization form, forms of ID, etc... specifically on bigger purchases.
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                                      • jim manly
                                        Confirmed User
                                        • Oct 2002
                                        • 605

                                        #20
                                        Damn thats not cool

                                        Just last week someone stole my debit card number and made purchases over the internet. Luckily I noticed it quick and deactivated my card, only $300. Still it sucks. Fucking scammers

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                                        • smack
                                          Push Porn Like Weight.
                                          • Mar 2002
                                          • 10652

                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by quiet
                                          yeah, this industry is absolutely full of cheaters and scammers.

                                          scum.
                                          unfortunately i think that applies to the world as a whole. unseen, sorry to hear about that man. i hope the credit card company is on their shit and gets ahold of this guy. kind of seems like one of those fees they should absorb. seeing as how is was THEIR fraud protection that failed. hope you find a resolution in a speedy fashion.
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                                          • foe
                                            Confirmed User
                                            • May 2002
                                            • 5246

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by smack


                                            unfortunately i think that applies to the world as a whole. unseen, sorry to hear about that man. i hope the credit card company is on their shit and gets ahold of this guy. kind of seems like one of those fees they should absorb. seeing as how is was THEIR fraud protection that failed. hope you find a resolution in a speedy fashion.
                                            Thats arguable.

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                                            • beemk
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                                              • Jan 2002
                                              • 20829

                                              #23
                                              how could they be that stupid? if they wanted the unlicensed sets that bad why would they do credit card fraud? they could have much easier just copied the pics off some site.
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                                              • UnseenWorld
                                                Confirmed User
                                                • May 2001
                                                • 5279

                                                #24
                                                Check this out... Whoever did this sure looked like they were financing their way into the adult biz with someone else's card. This is the "victim's" statement (identifying info obliterated) and I see a number of adult-oriented businesses here. Also, I see a second chargeback on the way in the statement, too, so I think we're up to somewhere around $3500 now that I may have to find some way to pay back. Here's his statement. I assume the circled transactions are ones the cardholder is disputing. Anybody seriously know how to fight this sort of thing (my business is "Afterglow Marketing")?

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                                                • Mutt
                                                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                  • Sep 2002
                                                  • 34431

                                                  #25
                                                  City Guide ISP i think is Candid Hosting? Looks like a 300 dollar charge to them, a hosting account. Maybe they can give you some info.

                                                  Some charges are for paysite memberships.

                                                  Then there's one that looks like another big charge to another content provider - X41 Productions of Arizona. Anybody know who that is?


                                                  Unseen, when u sell licensed content don't you make them fill out a form where they have to give you domain names where you can check out that the customer's name or email matched the WHOIS registrant's information?

                                                  You could still of course get ripped off but this would be a good policy.
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                                                  • UnseenWorld
                                                    Confirmed User
                                                    • May 2001
                                                    • 5279

                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by Mutt
                                                    Unseen, when u sell licensed content don't you make them fill out a form where they have to give you domain names where you can check out that the customer's name or email matched the WHOIS registrant's information?
                                                    Up till now, that has been done in the licensing stage. I think in the future, for sales over say, $200 from an unfamiliar customer, I'll be getting callback info and checking WHOIS and stuff.
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                                                    • stocktrader23
                                                      Let's do some business.
                                                      • Jan 2003
                                                      • 18781

                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by Mutt
                                                      City Guide ISP i think is Candid Hosting? Looks like a 300 dollar charge to them, a hosting account. Maybe they can give you some info.

                                                      Some charges are for paysite memberships.

                                                      Then there's one that looks like another big charge to another content provider - X41 Productions of Arizona. Anybody know who that is?


                                                      Unseen, when u sell licensed content don't you make them fill out a form where they have to give you domain names where you can check out that the customer's name or email matched the WHOIS registrant's information?

                                                      You could still of course get ripped off but this would be a good policy.
                                                      Yes Cityguide is Candid. Hopefully they can help. Dunno.


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                                                      • Cassie
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                                                        • Mar 2003
                                                        • 3139

                                                        #28
                                                        just wrong....way wrong
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                                                        • UnseenWorld
                                                          Confirmed User
                                                          • May 2001
                                                          • 5279

                                                          #29
                                                          Well, I found the original orders and they came in about an hour apart from two different IP #'s. Here's the info I was able to obtain using an IP address tracker:


                                                          looking up 217.144.0.133
                                                          Failed to resolve address 217.144.0.133


                                                          looking up 195.66.208.29
                                                          Official name: sentry-real.ilyichevsk.net


                                                          One failed to resolve and the other seems to be a Ukrainian ISP. Any ideas what to do next?
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                                                          • psyko514
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                                                            • Oct 2002
                                                            • 22366

                                                            #30
                                                            how'd you get the statement?

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                                                            • LadyMischief
                                                              Orgasms N Such!
                                                              • Sep 2002
                                                              • 18135

                                                              #31
                                                              Ugh.. it couldn't have happened to someone who deserved the bullshit less. I am really sorry that happened to you, Unseen. I hope they catch this asshole and send him straight to his "love shack" with Bubba. Man that's unreal.. I will say one thing thing, this is a thief with taste in content! Not that that helps you, but hopefully that brings a smile. Keep us informed, eh?

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                                                              • fantasycontent
                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                • Apr 2002
                                                                • 2104

                                                                #32
                                                                dude that totally sucks! the biggest charge back we had was for $600. Like you it didnt come back until the money was already spent. Anyway Good luck!
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                                                                • UnseenWorld
                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                  • May 2001
                                                                  • 5279

                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by psyko514
                                                                  how'd you get the statement?
                                                                  I got it from my merchant bank.
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                                                                  • slavdogg
                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                    • Jan 2001
                                                                    • 3570

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by UnseenWorld
                                                                    Well, I found the original orders and they came in about an hour apart from two different IP #'s. Here's the info I was able to obtain using an IP address tracker:


                                                                    looking up 217.144.0.133
                                                                    Failed to resolve address 217.144.0.133


                                                                    looking up 195.66.208.29
                                                                    Official name: sentry-real.ilyichevsk.net


                                                                    One failed to resolve and the other seems to be a Ukrainian ISP. Any ideas what to do next?
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                                                                    Shit man with that info you could have gotten more info about them, and submited them to a collection agency. But if they're really in Ukraine you're fucked. There is nothing you can do here. Do some more digging and double check if he's really from Ukraine. Thats about all you can do.
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                                                                    • RaiDeN
                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                      • May 2001
                                                                      • 496

                                                                      #35
                                                                      sorry to hear that unseenworld.

                                                                      btw that first ipadress:

                                                                      <<<<<<<<
                                                                      inetnum: 217.144.0.0 - 217.144.6.255
                                                                      netname: NEXTJO
                                                                      descr: Network Exchange Technology
                                                                      descr: Farah Trading & Contracting Co.
                                                                      descr: P.O.Box 510449, Amman 11151 Jordan
                                                                      country: JO
                                                                      admin-c: MF13297-RIPE
                                                                      tech-c: MF16025-RIPE
                                                                      status: ASSIGNED PA
                                                                      notify: [email protected]
                                                                      mnt-by: RIPE-NCC-NONE-MNT
                                                                      changed: [email protected] 20021120
                                                                      source: RIPE
                                                                      >>>>>>>>>

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                                                                      • slavdogg
                                                                        Confirmed User
                                                                        • Jan 2001
                                                                        • 3570

                                                                        #36
                                                                        Unseen, in the future dont sell ANY content to any east europeans or Middle Easterners.

                                                                        unless they send you funds western union .
                                                                        and dont take wires from them either.
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                                                                        • RaiDeN
                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                          • May 2001
                                                                          • 496

                                                                          #37
                                                                          and btw that second one seems to be a gateway from odessa.net (ukraine) as far as i can see, i cant read the page but it looks like an isp.

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                                                                          • JUSTB
                                                                            Registered User
                                                                            • Mar 2003
                                                                            • 1740

                                                                            #38
                                                                            Please email me with more information on this chargeback and I'll see what I have on the guy
                                                                            Thanks
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                                                                            • Brujah
                                                                              Beer Money Baron
                                                                              • Jan 2001
                                                                              • 22157

                                                                              #39
                                                                              why would he buy all that content ? why not just join the site if he wants to look at it.

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