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  • UnseenWorld
    Confirmed User
    • May 2001
    • 5279
    #51
    Originally posted by gruffy



    Actually on this topic, would it be possible to just send all your 2257 records to a coporation in another country (Canada for instance) and pay them a fee for maintaining these records and processing requests?

    Or have the legal tards anticipated this and added stickies to the law?

    Is that where you do your day-to-day business (open your mail, pay your bills, take phonecalls, etc.)? If not, the answer is no.
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      • asuna
        Confirmed User
        • May 2002
        • 8743
        #52
        page deux
        oh crap I was hella late on this one

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          • evildick
            #53
            Originally posted by AaronM


            What did your attorney tell you about this?
            I'll admit, I don't have a lawyer.



            What's the answer?

            (this was in regard to whether people just using sponsor content or content they have purchased have to display the appropriate info on their free sites or galleries)

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              • AaronM
                GFY Royality ;)
                • Oct 2001
                • 46917
                #54
                Originally posted by UnseenWorld



                I'm sure driving as many people out of the business was one of the unstated intentions of the law. They are thinking that you won't think the risk of physical harm is enough to stay and business and that you'll open up a used Bible shop instead.
                Actually, The law was written pre-Internet. It was designed for magazine and video production companies...WAY before the amateur thing became big.

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                  • AaronM
                    GFY Royality ;)
                    • Oct 2001
                    • 46917
                    #55
                    Originally posted by va2k


                    boy you really love givingshit to people don't ya aaron? It's funny and bro I like ya but it's funny as shit that the thread was going smooth then you jumped in and then everyone else jumps in and tries to act like ya haha If there was anyone in this thread that I would listen to it would be you on this. Everyone else well *shrugs* Ive allways had a 2257 on my site but was not the right way of doing it. It is now thanks for the info bro!

                    TOM
                    It may seem harsh but that is reality for you. Better to have me jump your shit and beat some sense into you then to have bubba banging it into you through the back door while he is eating your lunch form the prison cafeteria.

                    Which would you prefer?

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                      • Marcus
                        Confirmed User
                        • Jul 2001
                        • 3472
                        #56
                        Originally posted by AaronM


                        It may seem harsh but that is reality for you. Better to have me jump your shit and beat some sense into you then to have bubba banging it into you through the back door while he is eating your lunch form the prison cafeteria.
                        I agree.

                        I sent my question to xxxlaw and I'll see what they say.
                        thanks for pointing them out

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                          • steffie
                            Confirmed User
                            • May 2002
                            • 2422
                            #57
                            Originally posted by AaronM


                            If I could reach through this monitor and slap some sense into you, I would.

                            The P.O. Box DID NOT work well for you. You were still in violation of the law.

                            Read the 2 options I listed above. The 2nd one should work well for you.
                            Yeah well, I know I know.. I been bad.

                            But hey, I am a good girl from today on eh?

                            My physical address is listed, so is my phonenumber, just in case I am not home when they come knocking.

                            *shutter*

                            You don't have to reach thru the monitor anymore, you got my home address now. Come on baby, wanna have a beer

                            "You know I love ya"

                            And yes you are right, we didn't comply. 90% of us Amateurs don't comply. We are worried, with good reason. We don't wanna be slapped by another webmaster
                            Partying since '96 and not going anywhere Anna's Dorm

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                              • Va2k
                                I’m still alive barley.
                                • Oct 2001
                                • 10060
                                #58
                                Originally posted by AaronM


                                It may seem harsh but that is reality for you. Better to have me jump your shit and beat some sense into you then to have bubba banging it into you through the back door while he is eating your lunch form the prison cafeteria.

                                Which would you prefer?
                                I agree hehe its just becomming more and more scarier to be in this biz but fuck it Ill jest keep adapting to the new laws/old laws

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                                  • Va2k
                                    I’m still alive barley.
                                    • Oct 2001
                                    • 10060
                                    #59
                                    Originally posted by steffie


                                    Yeah well, I know I know.. I been bad.

                                    But hey, I am a good girl from today on eh?

                                    My physical address is listed, so is my phonenumber, just in case I am not home when they come knocking.

                                    *shutter*

                                    You don't have to reach thru the monitor anymore, you got my home address now. Come on baby, wanna have a beer

                                    "You know I love ya"

                                    And yes you are right, we didn't comply. 90% of us Amateurs don't comply. We are worried, with good reason. We don't wanna be slapped by another webmaster
                                    Can I be ya first stalker

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                                      • AaronM
                                        GFY Royality ;)
                                        • Oct 2001
                                        • 46917
                                        #60
                                        Originally posted by Marcus


                                        I agree.

                                        I sent my question to xxxlaw and I'll see what they say.
                                        thanks for pointing them out
                                        I know what the answer will be, how about posting it here once they get back to you.

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                                          • evildick
                                            #61
                                            Originally posted by evildick


                                            I'll admit, I don't have a lawyer.



                                            What's the answer?

                                            (this was in regard to whether people just using sponsor content or content they have purchased have to display the appropriate info on their free sites or galleries)
                                            Sorry, I see you already answered this here:

                                            http://gofuckyourself.com/showthread...hreadid=126106

                                            Producers are responsible.

                                            Thanks!

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                                              • Brujah
                                                Beer Money Baron
                                                • Jan 2001
                                                • 22157
                                                #62
                                                On the CE Page, lets see how many are using PO Box.

                                                Scarlett iNet LLC
                                                PO Box 18591

                                                Lonestar Content
                                                Custodian of Records
                                                PO Box 33032

                                                Dave Rogers/Sun Up Media
                                                Custodian of Records
                                                31500 Grape Street
                                                PMB 3-300

                                                Ron Coen
                                                President
                                                Internet Supply Inc.
                                                PO Box 938

                                                Probably several more using the "Suite" trick.

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                                                  • Marcus
                                                    Confirmed User
                                                    • Jul 2001
                                                    • 3472
                                                    #63
                                                    Originally posted by AaronM


                                                    I know what the answer will be, how about posting it here once they get back to you.
                                                    their answer was basically they need me to be retained and get to know me before they can answer.

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                                                      • evildick
                                                        #64
                                                        "Sorry, I see you already answered this here:

                                                        http://gofuckyourself.com/showthrea...threadid=126106

                                                        Producers are responsible.

                                                        Thanks! "


                                                        As long as you didn't contract for the work to be done, in which case you would be a secondary producer.

                                                        http://my.execpc.com/~xxxlaw/primer.html
                                                        Last edited by Guest; 04-18-2003, 10:33 AM.

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                                                          • Brujah
                                                            Beer Money Baron
                                                            • Jan 2001
                                                            • 22157
                                                            #65
                                                            Now wait til some fanatic comes up with the 2257 yahoo-like directory, listing all porn amateurs and other porn site operators by city/location.
                                                            Last edited by Brujah; 04-18-2003, 10:34 AM.

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                                                              • AaronM
                                                                GFY Royality ;)
                                                                • Oct 2001
                                                                • 46917
                                                                #66
                                                                Originally posted by Marcus

                                                                their answer was basically they need me to be retained and get to know me before they can answer.
                                                                Go figure.

                                                                I suggest you take that advice.

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                                                                  • AaronM
                                                                    GFY Royality ;)
                                                                    • Oct 2001
                                                                    • 46917
                                                                    #67
                                                                    Originally posted by Brujah
                                                                    On the CE Page, lets see how many are using PO Box.

                                                                    Scarlett iNet LLC
                                                                    PO Box 18591

                                                                    Lonestar Content
                                                                    Custodian of Records
                                                                    PO Box 33032

                                                                    Dave Rogers/Sun Up Media
                                                                    Custodian of Records
                                                                    31500 Grape Street
                                                                    PMB 3-300

                                                                    Ron Coen
                                                                    President
                                                                    Internet Supply Inc.
                                                                    PO Box 938

                                                                    Probably several more using the "Suite" trick.
                                                                    Yeppers...I think the concept is legal...Not necessarily they way those two have implemented it.

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                                                                      • models
                                                                        Registered User
                                                                        • Oct 2002
                                                                        • 118
                                                                        #68
                                                                        look, the reason for a street address for 2257 keeper of records info is simple:

                                                                        1. it will probably be a surprise visit between 9-5.

                                                                        2. federal agents will have police power to seize your records and take you into custody for an infraction.

                                                                        3. none of this is too tricky. keep good records, verify models ages, and comply. you will be arrested if there is a material breach of the 2257 law.

                                                                        4. if the justice dept. is forced to provide compliance data to congress there WILL be surprise visits.

                                                                        get you act together. in my opinion "teen content" and "barely legal" providers will be among the first visited.

                                                                        end of story.

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                                                                          • TheEnforcer
                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                            • May 2001
                                                                            • 2855
                                                                            #69
                                                                            Is it possible to place your records in a safe deposit box at a bank and use their address?? Just thinking of possible ways for her to comply without having her real address.It would satisfy the business hours requirement and they do have custody of the records.
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                                                                              • AaronM
                                                                                GFY Royality ;)
                                                                                • Oct 2001
                                                                                • 46917
                                                                                #70
                                                                                Originally posted by TheEnforcer
                                                                                Is it possible to place your records in a safe deposit box at a bank and use their address?? Just thinking of possible ways for her to comply without having her real address.It would satisfy the business hours requirement and they do have custody of the records.
                                                                                Can I just shoot you now?

                                                                                READ THE FUCKING THREAD!

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                                                                                  • m0rph3us
                                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                                    • Mar 2001
                                                                                    • 2033
                                                                                    #71
                                                                                    What if your company is outside the US and produces content outside the US? Of course you'd still have to maintain records and show releases in order to prove you're not shooting CP, but how would thes 2257 US Federal Legislation apply to those companies? Do US Feds now go flying world-wide to make surprise visits?
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                                                                                      • AaronM
                                                                                        GFY Royality ;)
                                                                                        • Oct 2001
                                                                                        • 46917
                                                                                        #72
                                                                                        Not that I am aware of.

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                                                                                          • TheFLY
                                                                                            So Fucking Banned
                                                                                            • Jan 2001
                                                                                            • 11856
                                                                                            #73
                                                                                            i'm confused what law are we talking about again?

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                                                                                              • emmanuelle
                                                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                                                • Mar 2003
                                                                                                • 3662
                                                                                                #74
                                                                                                Originally posted by steffie


                                                                                                I had him look at how some of the biggest Amateur sites are doing it like Carol Cox and kinda mimicked it of them.

                                                                                                So it makes me feel a little better.

                                                                                                Except that Carol Cox is Canadian and not subject to 2257

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                                                                                                  • goBigtime
                                                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                                                    • Nov 2002
                                                                                                    • 7761
                                                                                                    #75
                                                                                                    Originally posted by steffie





                                                                                                    Aaron you are a content provider, its easy for you to say, you have no contact with horny members who want to do you, party with you. Nada.. It's us Amateurs, its guys who use your content inside Members Areas. We are the once being targeted.

                                                                                                    It's the paysite owner. And without paysite owners, content providers are going down just like us.
                                                                                                    But I guess the underlying point of this thread is it's ALWAYS been this way - before you decided to setup your amateur web site, the law was there.

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                                                                                                      • goBigtime
                                                                                                        Confirmed User
                                                                                                        • Nov 2002
                                                                                                        • 7761
                                                                                                        #76
                                                                                                        Originally posted by evildick

                                                                                                        As long as you didn't contract for the work to be done, in which case you would be a secondary producer.

                                                                                                        http://my.execpc.com/~xxxlaw/primer.html

                                                                                                        So someone who buys 'exclusive' content would be a secondary producer?

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                                                                                                          • FATPad
                                                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                                                            • Oct 2001
                                                                                                            • 6693
                                                                                                            #77
                                                                                                            What about keeping them in a bomb proof box at my accountant's office?
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                                                                                                              • pornguy
                                                                                                                Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                • Mar 2003
                                                                                                                • 62910
                                                                                                                #78
                                                                                                                I am signed up with CECash. Do I link my 2257 page to theirs? I have their free content on my site...
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                                                                                                                  • BrettJ
                                                                                                                    ol' timer
                                                                                                                    • Jan 2001
                                                                                                                    • 4715
                                                                                                                    #79
                                                                                                                    Originally posted by m0rph3us
                                                                                                                    What if your company is outside the US and produces content outside the US? Of course you'd still have to maintain records and show releases in order to prove you're not shooting CP, but how would thes 2257 US Federal Legislation apply to those companies? Do US Feds now go flying world-wide to make surprise visits?
                                                                                                                    of course not. US laws - have no jurisidiction (outside of embassies and military installations) overseas.

                                                                                                                    you wouldn't have to maintain any of the 2257 records. local districts might require something. but that is for them to decide.

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                                                                                                                      • bhutocracy
                                                                                                                        Not making A Comeback
                                                                                                                        • Dec 2001
                                                                                                                        • 10218
                                                                                                                        #80
                                                                                                                        I'd like to know why exactly this one guy from xxxlaw's interpretation of the law is in any way more reliable than the dozens of other guys that offer to keep the records for you, and yes I've read the related posts, and realise there is a vested interest in asking a fee for retaining the files and whatnot.
                                                                                                                        At any rate, I'll check how this affects Australia, it may be that keeping it at the lawyers is fine here (as I have been legally instructed) - it's not as if we have a porn-tzar paid to take on the industry here.

                                                                                                                        I'll call a better lawyer too.

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                                                                                                                          • bhutocracy
                                                                                                                            Not making A Comeback
                                                                                                                            • Dec 2001
                                                                                                                            • 10218
                                                                                                                            #81
                                                                                                                            edit : my legal advice from Australia shouldn't be compared to legal advice from xxxlaw for obvious reasons. Ignore my questioning of his interpretation - from what i've seen lawyers here do still instruct you to stick to US guidelines relating to 2257 though, at least in practice, so where they allow you to go fuzzy shouldn't be compared to the US.

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                                                                                                                              • Brujah
                                                                                                                                Beer Money Baron
                                                                                                                                • Jan 2001
                                                                                                                                • 22157
                                                                                                                                #82
                                                                                                                                And no one should use the following as an example of correct custodians according to xxxlaw:

                                                                                                                                SunUp Media
                                                                                                                                ISupply
                                                                                                                                Scarlett
                                                                                                                                Lonestar

                                                                                                                                They (and the others using the *Suite ###* trick) are assumed to be handling their business ILLEGALLY according to XXXLAW and this thread.

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                                                                                                                                  • Carrie
                                                                                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                    • Apr 2002
                                                                                                                                    • 3162
                                                                                                                                    #83
                                                                                                                                    Steffie - take Aaron's advice, stick a bunch of other producer's addresses on the page. Find out what the records address is for the plugins you have and use those. Stick up a couple of galleries of other girls in some offbeat and only-accessible-if-you-really-dig-for-it location on your site, and then put the addresses of the producers of that content on your 2257 statement. That way yours is buried or looks like one of many.

                                                                                                                                    And rather than putting YOUR name down for the physical address, put your hubby's name (if you're married). The "stalkers" will be looking for a female name, not a male one. If you and your hubby "produce" your content together (or if HE shoots the pics), that SHOULD be okay - but check with your lawyer on that, as I am not one. Just sounds like it *should* be okay to put your hubby's name rather than yours.
                                                                                                                                    Aaron, whaddya think?

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                                                                                                                                      • kisskatlyn
                                                                                                                                        Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                        • Jan 2003
                                                                                                                                        • 433
                                                                                                                                        #84
                                                                                                                                        not sure how it is in the US but in Canada you can use your accountant or lawyer's address as your legal business address for some things. Maybe if this is true in the US too you can arrange to keep the releases with them at their office instead of at your home...?

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                                                                                                                                          • AaronM
                                                                                                                                            GFY Royality ;)
                                                                                                                                            • Oct 2001
                                                                                                                                            • 46917
                                                                                                                                            #85
                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by kisskatlyn
                                                                                                                                            not sure how it is in the US but in Canada you can use your accountant or lawyer's address as your legal business address for some things. Maybe if this is true in the US too you can arrange to keep the releases with them at their office instead of at your home...?
                                                                                                                                            Maybe you should read the thread before replying.

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                                                                                                                                              • AaronM
                                                                                                                                                GFY Royality ;)
                                                                                                                                                • Oct 2001
                                                                                                                                                • 46917
                                                                                                                                                #86
                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by Carrie
                                                                                                                                                Steffie - take Aaron's advice, stick a bunch of other producer's addresses on the page. Find out what the records address is for the plugins you have and use those. Stick up a couple of galleries of other girls in some offbeat and only-accessible-if-you-really-dig-for-it location on your site, and then put the addresses of the producers of that content on your 2257 statement. That way yours is buried or looks like one of many.

                                                                                                                                                And rather than putting YOUR name down for the physical address, put your hubby's name (if you're married). The "stalkers" will be looking for a female name, not a male one. If you and your hubby "produce" your content together (or if HE shoots the pics), that SHOULD be okay - but check with your lawyer on that, as I am not one. Just sounds like it *should* be okay to put your hubby's name rather than yours.
                                                                                                                                                Aaron, whaddya think?
                                                                                                                                                I agree 100%. Not sure if she overlooked my suggestion of the first part or not since she did not respond to it or to my ICQ. Thanks for bringing it up again. I personally think it is the cleanest way possible to confuse the stalker type surfer yet satisfy all of the surounding laws.

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                                                                                                                                                  • hybrid
                                                                                                                                                    So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                                                                    • Jul 2002
                                                                                                                                                    • 3253
                                                                                                                                                    #87
                                                                                                                                                    .
                                                                                                                                                    Last edited by hybrid; 04-18-2003, 09:20 PM.

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                                                                                                                                                      • AaronM
                                                                                                                                                        GFY Royality ;)
                                                                                                                                                        • Oct 2001
                                                                                                                                                        • 46917
                                                                                                                                                        #88
                                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by hybrid
                                                                                                                                                        .
                                                                                                                                                        Your 1500th post and you waste it with a fucking dot?

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                                                                                                                                                          • DannyW
                                                                                                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                            • Feb 2003
                                                                                                                                                            • 117
                                                                                                                                                            #89
                                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by bhutocracy
                                                                                                                                                            I'd like to know why exactly this one guy from xxxlaw's interpretation of the law is in any way more reliable than the dozens of other guys that offer to keep the records for you, and yes I've read the related posts, and realise there is a vested interest in asking a fee for retaining the files and whatnot.
                                                                                                                                                            ...
                                                                                                                                                            I'll call a better lawyer too.
                                                                                                                                                            I think Marcus meant that the xxxlaw chap would want to be retained as a lawyer before answering the question, not that he wants a fee for retaining the records.
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                                                                                                                                                              • hybrid
                                                                                                                                                                So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                                                                                • Jul 2002
                                                                                                                                                                • 3253
                                                                                                                                                                #90
                                                                                                                                                                Your 1500th post and you waste it with a fucking dot?
                                                                                                                                                                .

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                                                                                                                                                                  • jim manly
                                                                                                                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                    • Oct 2002
                                                                                                                                                                    • 605
                                                                                                                                                                    #91
                                                                                                                                                                    Shoot anyone that steps on your property in the head and plant a knife in his/her hand and call it self-defense.

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                                                                                                                                                                      • andi_germany
                                                                                                                                                                        Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                        • Oct 2002
                                                                                                                                                                        • 768
                                                                                                                                                                        #92
                                                                                                                                                                        I think people might actualy overlook a part here. The government forces amateurs to expose themselves to the public. I guess with the first stalker arriving at your home you have a case against the government. In that case get a court order that allows you to protect yourself. If a court allows you to keep the documents at your lawyers office you should be fine.



                                                                                                                                                                        Steffi I can help you incorporate offshore. In this case you will be an employee of your own company that resides in a different country. You would still report your taxes in the US but you would shoot the content for your foreign corporation and therefore can keep the documents at their offices but you wouldn't even be required to do so. The costs will be approximately 2000-3000 dollars to set up the corporation and 1000 bucks for maintaining the business. The corporation would not have to pay taxes and you would only pay taxes for what you pay out to yourself. If you want to look into it more closely you should buy the 'Tax Haven Guide Book' by Ken Finkelstein. It will help you decide if this is right for you. Not only big companies can corporate offshore. As long as you pay the taxes it's completely legal.
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                                                                                                                                                                          • steffie
                                                                                                                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                            • May 2002
                                                                                                                                                                            • 2422
                                                                                                                                                                            #93
                                                                                                                                                                            Hey Andi
                                                                                                                                                                            Ich habe eine Gmbh in Bamberg. Meine Eltern haben mir damit geholfen.

                                                                                                                                                                            xoxo
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                                                                                                                                                                              • AaronM
                                                                                                                                                                                GFY Royality ;)
                                                                                                                                                                                • Oct 2001
                                                                                                                                                                                • 46917
                                                                                                                                                                                #94
                                                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by steffie
                                                                                                                                                                                Hey Andi
                                                                                                                                                                                Ich habe eine Gmbh in Bamberg. Meine Eltern haben mir damit geholfen.

                                                                                                                                                                                xoxo
                                                                                                                                                                                What does that have to do with his suggestion? It still does not change the facts.

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                                                                                                                                                                                  • Brujah
                                                                                                                                                                                    Beer Money Baron
                                                                                                                                                                                    • Jan 2001
                                                                                                                                                                                    • 22157
                                                                                                                                                                                    #95
                                                                                                                                                                                    When the stalker arrives and you shoot him, just say Aaron gave you legal advice and you were terrified.

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                                                                                                                                                                                      • andi_germany
                                                                                                                                                                                        Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                                        • Oct 2002
                                                                                                                                                                                        • 768
                                                                                                                                                                                        #96
                                                                                                                                                                                        Steffie Deutschland ist nicht wirklich Porno freundlich heutzutage. Es gibt momentan in Deutschland keine anerkannte Alterskontrolle und somit ALLE Adult Internet Seiten illegal. Ich dachte eher an eine Karibische Firma. Die sind übrigens komplett anonym wenn du das willst. Kein Mensch nicht mal die US Justiz kann die Info erhalten.
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                                                                                                                                                                                          • andi_germany
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                                                                                                                                                                                            • Oct 2002
                                                                                                                                                                                            • 768
                                                                                                                                                                                            #97
                                                                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by AaronM


                                                                                                                                                                                            What does that have to do with his suggestion? It still does not change the facts.
                                                                                                                                                                                            Aaron the fact is that you got good answers to your questions from your lawyer but in my opinion you failed to ask him the right questions to answer the concerns of the amateurs out there. The question has to be how far you can bend the law without breaking it and therefore protecting the privacy issues the amateurs rightly have I think. There also must be regulations for privacy issues in the US that might play into this. Many Amateurs aren't even a company but a private person doing it as hobby. The law is older than the net and was written when this kind of thing were only possible by big companies. A good lawyer should be able to find a solution but then of course that is expensive and therefore not really fundable by a small time amateur out there.
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                                                                                                                                                                                              • steffie
                                                                                                                                                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                                                • May 2002
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                                                                                                                                                                                                #98
                                                                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by andi_germany


                                                                                                                                                                                                Aaron the fact is that you got good answers to your questions from your lawyer but in my opinion you failed to ask him the right questions to answer the concerns of the amateurs out there. The question has to be how far you can bend the law without breaking it and therefore protecting the privacy issues the amateurs rightly have I think. There also must be regulations for privacy issues in the US that might play into this. Many Amateurs aren't even a company but a private person doing it as hobby. The law is older than the net and was written when this kind of thing were only possible by big companies. A good lawyer should be able to find a solution but then of course that is expensive and therefore not really fundable by a small time amateur out there.


                                                                                                                                                                                                Andi answer your icq
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                                                                                                                                                                                                  • 12clicks
                                                                                                                                                                                                    Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                                                                                                    • Jan 2001
                                                                                                                                                                                                    • 19814
                                                                                                                                                                                                    #99
                                                                                                                                                                                                    if you're an amateur and you are scared or want help, contact me.
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                                                                                                                                                                                                    I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                      • andi_germany
                                                                                                                                                                                                        Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                                                        • Oct 2002
                                                                                                                                                                                                        • 768
                                                                                                                                                                                                        #100
                                                                                                                                                                                                        Steffie I got problems with ICQ it seems. Haven't gotten your message and you have not replied to mine. Just drop me an email to [email protected]
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