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What Billing Company/Processor do you prefer?

04-15-2003, 09:22 PM

Hi Guy's I'm new to this board? I was wonder, which billing company/processor do you guys prefer? I got hooked up with IBill forever ago and it's time to make the change! They are sucking big time! All my payments are screwed up...They are raising there rates?.Well enough of that! I'm looking at Epoch, Jettis and PSW?

Any and all thoughts on that would be great!

Things I need the billing company to offer or support:
Membership
VOD
On-line Store
I have a member?s site and I'm working on a VOD and Store? I'm setting up a merchant account right now for the store portion, so I just need it to be a gateway. Thanks guys!

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04-15-2003, 09:24 PM

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04-15-2003, 09:28 PM

Use the search feature..

Half the people will say Epoch is the best but we know those people to be fools.

If you don't want a merchant account then be smart and go with CCBILL, otherwise go with Netbilling.
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04-15-2003, 09:36 PM

Yes, CCBill if you're in this for the long term
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04-15-2003, 09:45 PM

CCBill for me as well....

with GloBil backup
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04-15-2003, 09:58 PM

Thanks, I told you I was new...now I'm reading all kinds of good stuff! Thanks again!

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04-15-2003, 10:07 PM

Do yourself a favor and spring for the merchant account to process with Netbilling. They will save you $$$ and you get paid everyday. They have been awesome for us and I know alot of webmasters have been switching to them recently. No complaints ever with them.

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04-15-2003, 10:08 PM

Don't listen to those haters, they are just trying to fuck you up because they can't handle anymore competition. Use iBill.
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04-15-2003, 10:18 PM

Don't listen to those haters, they are just trying to fuck you up because they can't handle anymore competition. Use iBill.

iBill only as secondary, definitely Lancelot as primary..

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04-15-2003, 10:19 PM

Originally posted by chupacabra

iBill only as secondary, definitely Lancelot as primary..

bah DMR owns them all

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04-15-2003, 10:21 PM

bah DMR owns them all

sorry, but... the ultimate solution is, of course, TransCharge... unfortunately, i doubt anyone has seen Barry or Steve in quite a while..

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04-16-2003, 04:06 AM

I vote for CCBill

I wish they had a phone billing option like Ibill though ;\

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04-16-2003, 04:07 AM

I think when you use the search button, you won't find bad things about CCBILL, also Jettis is great IMHO

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04-16-2003, 05:28 AM

I'm voting for:
CCBill, ACpay and Jettis have good support and they pay on time and weekly.
If you need merchant account you need Netbilling indeed.

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I don't care for GloBill, IBill and Verotel who have had technical problems.

Some words about WSB, he has some problems with paying currently but I hope it's temporally.

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04-16-2003, 05:33 AM

ACpay and CCbill had been great, exept for the recent password problem I have with CCbill
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04-16-2003, 05:50 AM

I'm voting for:
CCBill, ACpay and Jettis have good support and they pay on time and weekly.
If you need merchant account you need Netbilling indeed.
against:
I don't care for GloBill, IBill and Verotel who have had technical problems.
Some words about WSB, he has some problems with paying currently but I hope it's temporally.
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04-16-2003, 05:52 AM

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04-16-2003, 05:56 AM

seems like somebody asks someone to generate this kind of threads like twice a week or something

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04-16-2003, 06:00 AM

DMR or websitebilling are way to go !!

... but just today I found out yambo.biz is rocking too !!
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04-16-2003, 07:41 AM

That is true

You can hit me on the icq. Our setup process is simple and free. You can launch the project right today.

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04-16-2003, 08:08 AM

got this today wanted to know if anyone has dealt with them yet?
8% for 3rd party is might low...

Dear webmaster.

Sorry for this little spam ;-) but i took your email from your site and sent this letter manually, not by bulk scripts.

My name is Andrew and i'm owner of small 3rd party billing company named Dibill (Digital Internet Billing company).
We're making credit card processing (Visa/Mastercard) for 1.5 years for 300+ different adult websites.
In our history we had some good days and bad days (as usual for any business) but right now we're able to offer unbeliviable
low rates for credit card processing started from 8% per transaction and weekly payouts!

Our software is really amazing and worth to check it at least, multisites managment under single account, integrated reseller program
with traffic count and referrers, realtime detailed transactions stats, XML to integrate with any partnership program, custom join pages
and much more - just ask for it and we will do it.

If you're interesting in our services please contact me via this email [email protected], icq: 107111286 or using contact form on our site
http://www.dibill.com

Please excuse me again for this little notice, i will never email you again without your approve.

Best regards,
Andrew Baluev
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04-16-2003, 08:15 AM

Originally posted by 4Pics
Use the search feature..

Half the people will say Epoch is the best but we know those people to be fools.

If you don't want a merchant account then be smart and go with CCBILL, otherwise go with Netbilling.

Epoch's people are not fools sir.
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04-16-2003, 08:21 AM

Arent they a russian company like Yambo. Thing that makes me nervious is they stop paying, you have no recourse.
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04-16-2003, 08:31 AM

I have said it before, and I will say it again... USE THEM ALL

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04-16-2003, 08:41 AM

Tony,

I do understand your concern about this. We really ARE a russian company based in Moscow. However we have real people working both in the US, Florida and UK who you can meet with if you want. Many americans and europeans who had concerns like this - now work with us and have no problems (i can give you refs)

We are really worried about most americans don't really trust us. That's why we can provide you with any kind of info about us and our company - just to make you trust us.

Just try working with us! You'll like us!

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04-16-2003, 09:15 AM

Thanks guys...I appreciate your thoughts and ideas?you really helped me out!!!

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04-16-2003, 09:19 AM

Thank you ryOt.

Oystein is right.

4Pics and GoGoBar -- Whatever.

No one processor can be all things to all people and everyone is entitled to their own informed or clueless opinions.

Richman, Epoch provides both gateway and 3rd party (IPSP) services.

If you are interested in finding out more about what we can do for your business, drop a line to
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04-16-2003, 09:46 AM

CCBILL RULES
But there are other good processors out there too.

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04-16-2003, 07:30 PM

Rand,

If you're such a stand up company why don't you cancel what recurring I have left with you and release 100% of my reserves. I haven't sent you guys a new signup in over a year I think, yet you still have $1000s in reserves.
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04-16-2003, 07:39 PM

Quite frankly I'd select a billing company that was Visa and Mastercard compliant for the region in which my company was based, wasn't trying to pull any shady tricks to cut corners that would land them in the cross hairs, and was sending out checks on time.

That should narrow it down for you greatly if you decide to use that search feature.
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04-16-2003, 08:08 PM

Originally posted by webair
got this today wanted to know if anyone has dealt with them yet?
8% for 3rd party is might low...

Dear webmaster.

Sorry for this little spam ;-) but i took your email from your site and sent this letter manually, not by bulk scripts.

My name is Andrew and i'm owner of small 3rd party billing company named Dibill (Digital Internet Billing company).
We're making credit card processing (Visa/Mastercard) for 1.5 years for 300+ different adult websites.
In our history we had some good days and bad days (as usual for any business) but right now we're able to offer unbeliviable
low rates for credit card processing started from 8% per transaction and weekly payouts!

Our software is really amazing and worth to check it at least, multisites managment under single account, integrated reseller program
with traffic count and referrers, realtime detailed transactions stats, XML to integrate with any partnership program, custom join pages
and much more - just ask for it and we will do it.

If you're interesting in our services please contact me via this email [email protected], icq: 107111286 or using contact form on our site
http://www.dibill.com

Please excuse me again for this little notice, i will never email you again without your approve.

Best regards,
Andrew Baluev
http://www.dibill.com
[email protected]

We tried them few months ago and they didn't pay us. They siad that they had problem with their merchant account and all money in it was frozen. We never saw our money.

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04-16-2003, 08:28 PM

Oh yes, I'd also prefer one that at least uses a spell checker for their English as a second language emails... something Andrew can't seem to do... though actually the story I heard about dibill.com makes me wonder who's deal that is anyway...
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04-16-2003, 10:23 PM

Originally posted by GoGoBar
Rand,

If you're such a stand up company why don't you cancel what recurring I have left with you and release 100% of my reserves. I haven't sent you guys a new signup in over a year I think, yet you still have $1000s in reserves.

Interesting the way you put that.

If you have recurring (or not) and want to close your account... no problem.
I'd be more interested in WHY you would want to do this. But hey... it's your biz. Drop me a line and let me know the situation.

Send me an email with your company code and I'll tell you what you need to do to get this going.

Your security deposit will be paid according to the terms of your processing agreement.

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04-16-2003, 10:31 PM

Avoid PSW. They've had a lot of problems lately with Visa and checks, you will lose money and/or rebills if they have more.

(I'm an actual PSW client who has lost money and rebills, just in case you're wondering. )
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04-16-2003, 10:32 PM

Originally posted by Kohun
I'm voting for:
CCBill, ACpay and Jettis have good support and they pay on time and weekly.
If you need merchant account you need Netbilling indeed.

against:
I don't care for GloBill, IBill and Verotel who have had technical problems.

Some words about WSB, he has some problems with paying currently but I hope it's temporally.

Mark

I've been using Globill for four years, and I haven't a CLUE what you are talking about.

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04-16-2003, 10:40 PM

Globill is my choice for what I do with my own pay site. I've used them for about four years with NO major problems, and remember: which major processor seems to have gotten through
"the credit card crisis" without skipping a beat? Globill. If you go back and read the dire predictions Epoch made about how Globill would not be immune and then check the facts, Epoch was wrong. Aside from a necessary brief period where Globill had to postpone payments to move its accounts offshore (resulting in larger than normal checks for several weeks later on), it got through that crisis without incurring or passing along ANY fees from the credit card companies. They also take a few "alternative" cards used in Europe and Asia that the other major processors don't. And a lot of processors no longer accept American Express...but Globill does!

Check out Globill. They may not be the one that satisfies your needs best, but they are good and you'd do well to consider them.

And did I mention their customer service? Normally, just about anything can be handled in e-mail in a half hour or less. They are usually very attentive and prompt, but the do have a phone number that works 24 hours a day.

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04-16-2003, 11:28 PM

Originally posted by UnseenWorld
I haven't a CLUE

That much is obvious for sure.

Nobody else takes Amex because Amex doesn't do adult. So you're telling me that your processing company appears to be scamming Amex? Where do I sign up, that's what I want, a processor who seems be to scamming right off the bat!

Visa's tightening the screws on non compliancy, that's obvious from the look they are taking at AVS sites.

And of course all these companies that try to subvert Visa regulations only cause them to become tighter and tighter very rapidly, which causes the entire industry to SUFFER.

Yep, I'd agree with your statement above.
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04-16-2003, 11:55 PM

Originally posted by Kimmykim

That much is obvious for sure.

Nobody else takes Amex because Amex doesn't do adult. So you're telling me that your processing company appears to be scamming Amex? Where do I sign up, that's what I want, a processor who seems be to scamming right off the bat!

Visa's tightening the screws on non compliancy, that's obvious from the look they are taking at AVS sites.

And of course all these companies that try to subvert Visa regulations only cause them to become tighter and tighter very rapidly, which causes the entire industry to SUFFER.

Yep, I'd agree with your statement above.

Well, I would assume then, it's not illegal WHERE Globill does its merchant banking. Globill is 100% totally honest, and I'm sure anyone who's worked with them will affirm that one.

As for tightening the screws, if it forces people to move to Globill for shelter, that's fine with me.

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04-17-2003, 07:40 AM

Originally posted by UnseenWorld

Well, I would assume then, it's not illegal WHERE Globill does its merchant banking. Globill is 100% totally honest, and I'm sure anyone who's worked with them will affirm that one.

As for tightening the screws, if it forces people to move to Globill for shelter, that's fine with me.

You are as dumb as a bag of hammers.

AMEX is ?1?, count them, ?1? company. There are no ?areas? where taking adult is ?legal? for AMEX. It is all or nothing. Which means nothing. Period. End of story. They do not ?do? adult.

What is happening is miscoding using a non-adult MCC (merchant category code). This tricks the system, for a brief period. Then, one day you wake up and BAM ? your money is gone and you got AMEX crawling up your ass with a microscope. (That?ll hurt.)

As for EPOCH being wrong on Visa. You are wrong. If Globill?s model in the USA was legit they would not have had to move offshore and there would not have been an ?interruption of service? while they made a run for the border. Visa International is a little behind Visa USA in enforcing the rules for their regions, but they are not asleep at the wheel.

It is all shaking out, imo. Webmasters are smart enough to know where to go and stay to maintain a real business for the long term. Epoch highly recommends CCBill as a back up or even a primary processor if you don?t want to do business with us. But that is the ONLY company we recommend today. We know that Ron and the CCBill Team have the same long-term view and, more importantly, the long-term COMMITMENT to the Adult Industry, as do we at EPOCH. It takes 2 things? (1) A willingness to suffer economically for a period to be able to enjoy gains in the future and (2) Systems that have proven reliability, staying power and performance to be able to handle the growth when it comes. As for EPOCH, we are seeing the growth now as serious players move business and increase existing business through our solution and utilize our suite of sales improving features.

But these are only my opinion? you may disagree. If, GO FUCK YOURSELF!

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04-17-2003, 02:27 PM

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04-17-2003, 10:18 PM

Originally posted by Chris Mallick

You are as dumb as a bag of hammers.

AMEX is ?1?, count them, ?1? company. There are no ?areas? where taking adult is ?legal? for AMEX. It is all or nothing. Which means nothing. Period. End of story. They do not ?do? adult.

What is happening is miscoding using a non-adult MCC (merchant category code). This tricks the system, for a brief period. Then, one day you wake up and BAM ? your money is gone and you got AMEX crawling up your ass with a microscope. (That?ll hurt.)

As for EPOCH being wrong on Visa. You are wrong. If Globill?s model in the USA was legit they would not have had to move offshore and there would not have been an ?interruption of service? while they made a run for the border. Visa International is a little behind Visa USA in enforcing the rules for their regions, but they are not asleep at the wheel.

It is all shaking out, imo. Webmasters are smart enough to know where to go and stay to maintain a real business for the long term. Epoch highly recommends CCBill as a back up or even a primary processor if you don?t want to do business with us. But that is the ONLY company we recommend today. We know that Ron and the CCBill Team have the same long-term view and, more importantly, the long-term COMMITMENT to the Adult Industry, as do we at EPOCH. It takes 2 things? (1) A willingness to suffer economically for a period to be able to enjoy gains in the future and (2) Systems that have proven reliability, staying power and performance to be able to handle the growth when it comes. As for EPOCH, we are seeing the growth now as serious players move business and increase existing business through our solution and utilize our suite of sales improving features.

But these are only my opinion? you may disagree. If, GO FUCK YOURSELF!

Thanks, for answering my questions everyone. I talk to Isabelle from your company earlier this week. She was very nice and informative, but she said she would email me all of your company?s info and rates and I still have not received anything?

On a side note, I also talk to CCBill as well and they too said, ?Their second choice if I did not go with them would be your company Epoch!? They also went on to say you?re honest and reliable and you will be around for the long run.

Fuck?decisions?.decisions?

P.S. It was a pleasure to meet you Chris!

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04-17-2003, 10:55 PM

Originally posted by Chris Mallick

You are as dumb as a bag of hammers.

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But these are only my opinion? you may disagree. If, GO FUCK YOURSELF!

Are you really the CEO of Epoch? If so, I am never swinging my business your way, that's for sure. That's just about the most unprofessional post I have seen from any of the processors that post here from time to time.

I know this board is called GFY and all and everyone here is pretty lax with their attitudes but I consider Billing companies to be like financial institutions and expect them to act that way.

If that is the way you engage potential customers in a public forum, the I have some news for you....

You Just Fucked Yourself!
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04-17-2003, 11:20 PM

Originally posted by ozzymandius

Are you really the CEO of Epoch? If so, I am never swinging my business your way, that's for sure. That's just about the most unprofessional post I have seen from any of the processors that post here from time to time.

I know this board is called GFY and all and everyone here is pretty lax with their attitudes but I consider Billing companies to be like financial institutions and expect them to act that way.

If that is the way you engage potential customers in a public forum, the I have some news for you....

You Just Fucked Yourself!

Relax, go get laid.
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04-18-2003, 09:42 AM

Originally posted by jollyperv

Relax, go get laid.

I was in the process of getting laid as I typed that.

I am capable of multi-tasking.
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04-18-2003, 10:09 AM

The bottom line for us is who do we make the most $$ with, who do we spend the least amount of time on the phone with sorting out problems and who makes the lowest charges for their service.

From all the company's we have used over the last 7 years Epoch comes out on top every time. And the people at Epoch respond to our calls or e-mails within minutes ( no other company we have used has done this )

CCbill will make an excellent back up.
The rest you can forget, if you want a 300 page article on why you should avoid IBILL like the plague i can write it for you
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04-18-2003, 10:22 AM

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Cindyff

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#47

04-18-2003, 10:27 AM

Originally posted by ozzymandius

Are you really the CEO of Epoch? If so, I am never swinging my business your way, that's for sure. That's just about the most unprofessional post I have seen from any of the processors that post here from time to time.

I know this board is called GFY and all and everyone here is pretty lax with their attitudes but I consider Billing companies to be like financial institutions and expect them to act that way.

If that is the way you engage potential customers in a public forum, the I have some news for you....

You Just Fucked Yourself!

If you don't use Epoch its your loss not theirs Chris like all the people i talk to at Epoch are real people not some stuffed shirt who never comes to GFY ( can you say IBILL) I would rather trust my millions with Chris and his team than Wells Fargo or any other bank in America. Everyone i talk to only has good things to say about them.
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TondaB

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#48

04-18-2003, 01:16 PM

I love Jettis

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Elephant_Gut

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#49

04-18-2003, 02:48 PM

Originally posted by Chris Mallick

You are as dumb as a bag of hammers.

aren't you the ceo of the same Epoch that just recently got fined $5.6 million by Mastercard?!?

Hee. Hee. People in glass houses should not throw stones.

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Chris Mallick

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#50

04-18-2003, 04:03 PM

Originally posted by Cindyff

If you don't use Epoch its your loss not theirs Chris like all the people i talk to at Epoch are real people not some stuffed shirt who never comes to GFY ( can you say IBILL) I would rather trust my millions with Chris and his team than Wells Fargo or any other bank in America. Everyone i talk to only has good things to say about them.

Thanks. We all appreciate this and your prior supporting posts. We try harder, we think. It is nice to hear a Player say so.
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