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  • lEricPl
    Confirmed User
    • Dec 2002
    • 1062

    #1

    Another nail in the coffin for OpenSource

    haha, this is great.

    Key points:

    The U.S. military's research agency cut off grant money for helping to develop a secure, free operating system after a top programmer made anti-war statements to a major newspaper.

    DARPA, which oversees research activities for the Pentagon, is best known for developing the network that evolved into the Internet.

    The $2.3 million grant had funded security improvements to the OpenBSD operating system since 2001 as well as related projects.


    http://www.salon.com/tech/wire/2003/...rpa/index.html


    The U.S. military's research agency cut off grant money for helping to develop a secure, free operating system after a top programmer made anti-war statements to a major newspaper.

    The U.S. Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency halted the contract less than two weeks after The Globe and Mail of Toronto published a story in which programmer Theo de Raadt was quoted as saying he was "uncomfortable" about the funding source.

    "I try to convince myself that our grant means a half of a cruise missile doesn't get built," de Raadt told the newspaper.

    Within a few days, de Raadt said he received an e-mail from Jonathan Smith, a computer science professor at the University of Pennsylvania and the grant's lead researcher, expressing discomfort over the statements.

    On Thursday, Smith notified de Raadt of the cancellation.

    "A tenured professor was telling me not to exercise my freedom of speech," de Raadt said.

    Smith declined to comment on the matter, and DARPA did not return telephone messages Friday. De Raadt's suspicions about the cancellation could not be confirmed.

    The $2.3 million grant had funded security improvements to the OpenBSD operating system since 2001 as well as related projects.

    OpenBSD, a variation of Unix designed for use on servers, is touted as so secure that its default installation has had only one bug in the past seven years.

    Thousands of copies of OpenBSD have been downloaded in the past six months. It's not clear, however, how many are in use.

    De Raadt estimates about 85 percent of the DARPA grant has been spent, with about $1 million being used to pay for OpenBSD developers. Much of the work has been handled by a team of 80 unpaid volunteers.

    Another $500,000 of the money funded the work of United Kingdom-based researchers on a related project called OpenSSL, which is used to encrypt data.

    DARPA, which oversees research activities for the Pentagon, is best known for developing the network that evolved into the Internet.
  • Steve
    Confirmed User
    • Feb 2001
    • 6894

    #2
    dont bite the hand that feeds

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    • lEricPl
      Confirmed User
      • Dec 2002
      • 1062

      #3
      Originally posted by Steve
      dont bite the hand that feeds
      Don't use it. Don't need it.

      I like sticking with companies and software that actually turn profit and will be around for decades to come.

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      • AdultNex
        Confirmed User
        • Feb 2003
        • 8985

        #4
        Originally posted by lEricPl


        Don't use it. Don't need it.

        I like sticking with companies and software that actually turn profit and will be around for decades to come.
        Linux has been around for awhile, and will be.

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        • salsbury
          Confirmed User
          • Feb 2002
          • 1070

          #5
          Originally posted by AdultNex


          Linux has been around for awhile, and will be.
          BSD has been around even longer.

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          • Libertine
            sex dwarf
            • May 2002
            • 17860

            #6
            Originally posted by lEricPl

            I like sticking with companies and software that actually turn profit and will be around for decades to come.
            And I like sticking with security, stability and quality instead. Seems like we're both getting what we want
            /(bb|[^b]{2})/

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            • Simon-interaid
              Confirmed User
              • Sep 2002
              • 814

              #7
              Yep..

              Free speech.

              Its great .
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              • MrPopup
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                • Aug 2002
                • 3783

                #8
                pretty fucking sad.

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                • MrPopup
                  Confirmed User
                  • Aug 2002
                  • 3783

                  #9
                  Originally posted by lEricPl

                  I like sticking with companies and software that actually turn profit and will be around for decades to come.
                  You have a very fundamental misunderstanding of Open Source.

                  Believe it or not, it contributes to innovation.
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                  • SpaceAce
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                    • Jul 2002
                    • 6493

                    #10
                    Originally posted by lEricPl


                    Don't use it. Don't need it.

                    I like sticking with companies and software that actually turn profit and will be around for decades to come.
                    Wow, what a mighty ignorant statement. Do a little research and find out how many long-standing free Open Source projects there are out there.

                    SpaceAce

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                    • FATPad
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                      • Oct 2001
                      • 6693

                      #11
                      Originally posted by lEricPl


                      Don't use it. Don't need it.

                      I like sticking with companies and software that actually turn profit and will be around for decades to come.
                      Just out of curiosity, what OS and webserver do your servers use?
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                      • Juan
                        Registered User
                        • Apr 2003
                        • 26

                        #12
                        Originally posted by AdultNex


                        Linux has been around for awhile, and will be.
                        Uh, 10 years? That's not long dude. I've had farts that lasted longer than that. And each version only lasts for about 2 weeks before a new one comes out again with all kinds of bug fixes.

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                        • MrPopup
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                          • Aug 2002
                          • 3783

                          #13
                          Originally posted by FATPad
                          Just out of curiosity, what OS and webserver do your servers use?
                          Cant wait to see if his server is updated with Microsoft's latest security patch.



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                          • SpaceAce
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                            • Jul 2002
                            • 6493

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Juan


                            Uh, 10 years? That's not long dude. I've had farts that lasted longer than that. And each version only lasts for about 2 weeks before a new one comes out again with all kinds of bug fixes.
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                            • FATPad
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                              • Oct 2001
                              • 6693

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Juan

                              And each version only lasts for about 2 weeks before a new one comes out again with all kinds of bug fixes.
                              As opposed to Win NT which has been around for decades and requires little to no security fixes right?
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                              • goBigtime
                                Confirmed User
                                • Nov 2002
                                • 7761

                                #16
                                Ealabs.com is running Microsoft-IIS/5.0 on Windows 2000

                                Does MS still give out one of these with purchase?....



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                                • fnet
                                  Confirmed User
                                  • Jul 2002
                                  • 1721

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by lEricPl
                                  haha, this is great.
                                  Have you ever programmed for the military?
                                  the sound of one hand googlewhacking

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                                  • X37375787

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by fnet


                                    Have you ever programmed for the military?

                                    no but you have.

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                                    • foreverjason
                                      Confirmed User
                                      • Mar 2003
                                      • 1452

                                      #19
                                      most programmers are stupid

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                                      • fnet
                                        Confirmed User
                                        • Jul 2002
                                        • 1721

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by foreverjason
                                        most programmers are stupid
                                        but stoners are generally brilliant.
                                        the sound of one hand googlewhacking

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                                        • lEricPl
                                          Confirmed User
                                          • Dec 2002
                                          • 1062

                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by goBigtime
                                          Ealabs.com is running Microsoft-IIS/5.0 on Windows 2000

                                          Cool...

                                          Did you use EANet to figure that out?

                                          http://ealabs.com/studio/services/xm...net/eanet.asmx



                                          You guys are way too easy to get going...

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                                          • lEricPl
                                            Confirmed User
                                            • Dec 2002
                                            • 1062

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by MrPopup


                                            Cant wait to see if his server is updated with Microsoft's latest security patch.


                                            I have no control over that server, and I never keep anything on that box that I would not want the entire world to see.

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                                            • NBDesign
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                                              • Jan 2003
                                              • 5814

                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by lEricPl
                                              haha, this is great.

                                              The U.S. military's research agency cut off grant money for helping to develop a secure, free operating system after a top programmer made anti-war statements to a major newspaper.

                                              That is your Free Speach working for you. Land of the Free my Ass!!!

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                                              • fnet
                                                Confirmed User
                                                • Jul 2002
                                                • 1721

                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by lEricPl

                                                You guys are way too easy to get going...

                                                Yeaaah... I thought so... don't you <i>have</i> a dvd player?
                                                the sound of one hand googlewhacking

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                                                • SpaceAce
                                                  Confirmed User
                                                  • Jul 2002
                                                  • 6493

                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by NBDesign


                                                  That is your Free Speach working for you. Land of the Free my Ass!!!
                                                  Perhaps you under the impression that the Constitution has some clause requiring the military to fund anyone who wants money. Sadly, you are mistaken. You don't take money from a group and then criticize them in public if you want to keep getting the loot.

                                                  SpaceAce

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                                                  • Brujah
                                                    Beer Money Baron
                                                    • Jan 2001
                                                    • 22157

                                                    #26
                                                    Freedom of speech my ass.. the guy didn't appreciate his $2.3 million funding, so fuck him. He didn't deserve it. Maybe someone who will appreciate it more can find it useful.

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                                                    • NBDesign
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                                                      • Jan 2003
                                                      • 5814

                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by SpaceAce


                                                      Perhaps you under the impression that the Constitution has some clause requiring the military to fund anyone who wants money. Sadly, you are mistaken. You don't take money from a group and then criticize them in public if you want to keep getting the loot.

                                                      SpaceAce
                                                      Fuck That! Free speach should have no limitations. Either you have it or you don't.

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                                                      • NBDesign
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                                                        • Jan 2003
                                                        • 5814

                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by Brujah
                                                        Freedom of speech my ass.. the guy didn't appreciate his $2.3 million funding, so fuck him. He didn't deserve it. Maybe someone who will appreciate it more can find it useful.
                                                        Again, Fuck That! Free speach should have no limitations. Either you have it or you don't.

                                                        Use Lensman's program and get the most for your hard earned traffic.


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                                                        • Brujah
                                                          Beer Money Baron
                                                          • Jan 2001
                                                          • 22157

                                                          #29
                                                          He had free speech. He said what he wanted didn't he ? He isn't killed or in jail or anything is he ? No. He just doesn't get the money because didn't seem to appreciate it. I wouldn't give it to him either.

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                                                          • SpaceAce
                                                            Confirmed User
                                                            • Jul 2002
                                                            • 6493

                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by NBDesign


                                                            Fuck That! Free speach should have no limitations. Either you have it or you don't.
                                                            Use your brain. They were not entitled to that money. The money was a <B>gift</B>. If someone is giving you a gift and you spit in their face, you probably will not continue to receive gifts.

                                                            This is not an issue of free speech. None of his rights have been violated. He is allowed to say what he wants; no one is stopping him. However, if the military has xx dollars to give out in grants, are they going to give it to someone who criticizes them? How many people do you think would love to have that research money? Lots, I am betting. So, they give it to someone who supports them. Seems pretty simple to me.

                                                            SpaceAce

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                                                            • SpaceAce
                                                              Confirmed User
                                                              • Jul 2002
                                                              • 6493

                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by Brujah
                                                              He had free speech. He said what he wanted didn't he ? He isn't killed or in jail or anything is he ? No. He just doesn't get the money because didn't seem to appreciate it. I wouldn't give it to him either.
                                                              That's really the point. If I were getting grant money from, say, Microsoft, I wouldn't expect to keep getting that money if I went around telling the press that Windows sucks and Bill Gates is an asshole.

                                                              SpaceAce

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                                                              • Cogitator
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                                                                • Feb 2002
                                                                • 672

                                                                #32
                                                                If the military was supporting it, it wasn't open source...
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                                                                • berg.the.red
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                                                                  • Feb 2003
                                                                  • 596

                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by NBDesign


                                                                  Again, Fuck That! Free speach should have no limitations. Either you have it or you don't.
                                                                  i must have missed something - the guy said exactly how he felt. he said: "gee ... i don't feel warm-an-fuzzy the military is giving me money. i feel dirty, cheap and tawdry when i spend it.". other people have even reported this story in other places and gotten his words and message out to the masses. sounds like free speech in action.

                                                                  the military then came along and removed that "dirty, cheap and tawdry" feeling. now all those other people won't have to worry about feeling "icky" either. that just sounds like that old "consequences of ones actions" thing in action ...
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                                                                  • Brujah
                                                                    Beer Money Baron
                                                                    • Jan 2001
                                                                    • 22157

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by berg.the.red

                                                                    i must have missed something - the guy said exactly how he felt. he said: "gee ... i don't feel warm-an-fuzzy the military is giving me money. i feel dirty, cheap and tawdry when i spend it.". other people have even reported this story in other places and gotten his words and message out to the masses. sounds like free speech in action.

                                                                    the military then came along and removed that "dirty, cheap and tawdry" feeling. now all those other people won't have to worry about feeling "icky" either. that just sounds like that old "consequences of ones actions" thing in action ...
                                                                    AMEN. Preach it bruthah.

                                                                    I have a friend with a wife that always bitches and nags him about how immoral and wrong it is to be using his domain name for porn. How much she wants him to go to church and that he's going to hell. You know how this story goes already I bet. You can guess how fast she can't wait to deposit that money and spend it as soon as it comes in.

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