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  • steffie
    Confirmed User
    • May 2002
    • 2422
    #1

    Knock Knock, its your horny Member coming to your house

    It's been covered, but I do want to put in my 2 cents.

    I am an Amateur for the past 7 years, we have cute girls on our sites and show the horny male world that we just love to have sex and party.

    With the new law and after talking to my lawyer, the first time in 7 years I am wondering if I should go on.

    Mainly because now I have to put down my physical address where I conduct business. Most of us Amateurs love to work from home. This has been great for me, because it gave me the opportunity to be lazy and just walk from my bedroom to my office.

    Even if I would consider shutting down my sites and say fuck it, its not worth having some jerk sit outside my home or even worse having him try to get into the house in the middle of the night, I couldn't even sell my content we shut over the past 7 years, because even content providers have to put out a physical address.

    Even if you have an office, do you really want guys come to your place of business and go "Hey Steffie, I love your site, can I come in and lets talk about you fucking me today"

    How many Amateurs (working from home or not) will go bye bye because they do not want their children, family being invaded by the horny guys who just want to get laid or worse.

    I know of some Members of some of my more kinkier sites who beg me on a daily basis, "Let me be your slave" or "All I want to do is sit in your front yard and admire you" "Where do you live I want to bring you this huge dildo I have seen in the store today"

    So, today I am going to surf the Amateur Sites and see how many have their physical address on the site, than I am going to do my books, call my lawyer again and probably install some sort of security system with lights. Outside and Inside Cameras.

    And we probably will add our physical address.

    But I still don't know yet, I am torn. You have no idea how torn I am.

    I don't want to rent an office in town, it defeats the purpose of me working from home, getting up whenever I want, etc etc etc

    This is so fucked up.

    Sorry to go on and on, but gosh this is really fucked up
    Partying since '96 and not going anywhere Anna's Dorm
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    • LadyMischief
      Orgasms N Such!
      • Sep 2002
      • 18135
      #2
      I totally know what you feel, and I hope you figure things out in a way that will keep you AND your family safe.

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        • AaronM
          GFY Royality ;)
          • Oct 2001
          • 46917
          #3
          Originally posted by steffie
          With the new law and after talking to my lawyer, the first time in 7 years I am wondering if I should go on.
          New law?

          That law has been in place for YEARS. Nothing new about that part.

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            • Va2k
              I’m still alive barley.
              • Oct 2001
              • 10060
              #4
              Why can't you or us do it like
              To all customers of any site owned and operated by Virginia Amateurs.: All content and images are in full compliance with the requirements of 18 U.S.C. 2257 and associated regulations.
              Image Producers
              Va2k Designs
              address upon request

              if you get any reguest send them to a different url with the complete details and the new url that you mail them will have a password protection script and give them a temp login and pass word.


              shrugs
              Im talking it over with my lawyer to see if this is possible

              TOM

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                • Tala
                  Fucked if I know
                  • Dec 2002
                  • 23368
                  #5
                  I must agree with you here, steffie. Seems that these idiots, in attempting to make life more difficult for the adult entertainment industry, didn't bother to take into consideration that by forcing content providers or work-from-home ladies like yourself to put a physical address on their stuff that it puts not only your business but your life in danger. Some of those horny crackpots aren't going to be satisfied with just meeting you, etc. especially if you turn them down. What happens if one of those guys decides that he doesn't WANT to be turned down and either rapes or kills you?? (Sorry...but it's a very real possibility, it's happened, and I'm sorry to scare you. )

                  Fuck that. Get a P.O. box or (do like I do) use an alternative snail-mail address. I own a house in another county, and have all my questionable mail sent there. I go pick it up every other day or so. And no one lives there at the moment, so there's not anyone endangered by me doing that.




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                    • playa
                      Confirmed User
                      • Feb 2001
                      • 6432
                      #6
                      get an address with mail box etc..
                      its not a PO Box

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                        • AaronM
                          GFY Royality ;)
                          • Oct 2001
                          • 46917
                          #7
                          Originally posted by va2k
                          Why can't you or us do it like
                          To all customers of any site owned and operated by Virginia Amateurs.: All content and images are in full compliance with the requirements of 18 U.S.C. 2257 and associated regulations.
                          Image Producers
                          Va2k Designs
                          address upon request

                          if you get any reguest send them to a different url with the complete details and the new url that you mail them will have a password protection script and give them a temp login and pass word.


                          shrugs
                          Im talking it over with my lawyer to see if this is possible

                          TOM
                          Because that IS NOT LEGAL!

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                            • AaronM
                              GFY Royality ;)
                              • Oct 2001
                              • 46917
                              #8
                              Originally posted by playa
                              get an address with mail box etc..
                              its not a PO Box
                              Go to jail.

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                                • AaronM
                                  GFY Royality ;)
                                  • Oct 2001
                                  • 46917
                                  #9
                                  Originally posted by Tala
                                  I must agree with you here, steffie. Seems that these idiots, in attempting to make life more difficult for the adult entertainment industry, didn't bother to take into consideration that by forcing content providers or work-from-home ladies like yourself to put a physical address on their stuff that it puts not only your business but your life in danger. Some of those horny crackpots aren't going to be satisfied with just meeting you, etc. especially if you turn them down. What happens if one of those guys decides that he doesn't WANT to be turned down and either rapes or kills you?? (Sorry...but it's a very real possibility, it's happened, and I'm sorry to scare you. )

                                  Fuck that. Get a P.O. box or (do like I do) use an alternative snail-mail address. I own a house in another county, and have all my questionable mail sent there. I go pick it up every other day or so. And no one lives there at the moment, so there's not anyone endangered by me doing that.
                                  Go to jail.

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                                    • AaronM
                                      GFY Royality ;)
                                      • Oct 2001
                                      • 46917
                                      #10
                                      Anybody else seeing a pattern here?

                                      Comply with the laws. They have been in place for a liong fucking time. Nothing new about this address requirement.

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                                        • Va2k
                                          I’m still alive barley.
                                          • Oct 2001
                                          • 10060
                                          #11
                                          Originally posted by AaronM


                                          Because that IS NOT LEGAL!
                                          Im just going by your words bro, talking to a lawyer and trying to fig out what is the best way to do it. personaly i dont give a shit if the whole world knows where i live. A nice 357 with hollow points will help stop alot of fear *shrugs*

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                                            • FATPad
                                              Confirmed User
                                              • Oct 2001
                                              • 6693
                                              #12
                                              Why are some of you not reading the info being posted?

                                              You can't use PO boxes, Mailbox etc addresses, etc.

                                              It clearly says the address must be the place of business where the records can be inspected. Your place of business, not a remote mail collection type of thing like a PO Box.

                                              They have to be able to write the address down, drive to it, knock on a door, show their little badges and ask to see the records.
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                                                • LadyMischief
                                                  Orgasms N Such!
                                                  • Sep 2002
                                                  • 18135
                                                  #13
                                                  Originally posted by AaronM


                                                  Go to jail.
                                                  Yep.. Any Custodial address that lists a P.O. Box AUTOMATICALLY invalidates it and put the content into question. Unfortunately there are more than a few content providers that still list P.O. Boxes and company names for custodians. Glad to know that you're around to set everyone straight, Aaron, believe me I've fought this one out several times and got called down for saying it.

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                                                    • LadyMischief
                                                      Orgasms N Such!
                                                      • Sep 2002
                                                      • 18135
                                                      #14
                                                      Originally posted by FATPad
                                                      Why are some of you not reading the info being posted?

                                                      You can't use PO boxes, Mailbox etc addresses, etc.

                                                      It clearly says the address must be the place of business where the records can be inspected. Your place of business, not a remote mail collection type of thing like a PO Box.

                                                      They have to be able to write the address down, drive to it, knock on a door, show their little badges and ask to see the records.
                                                      Your right.. P.O. Boxes etc were NEVER legal as custodial addresses!

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                                                        • gruffy
                                                          So Fucking Banned
                                                          • Feb 2003
                                                          • 776
                                                          #15
                                                          Originally posted by Tala
                                                          I must agree with you here, steffie. Seems that these idiots, in attempting to make life more difficult for the adult entertainment industry, didn't bother to take into consideration that by forcing content providers or work-from-home ladies like yourself to put a physical address on their stuff that it puts not only your business but your life in danger. Some of those horny crackpots aren't going to be satisfied with just meeting you, etc. especially if you turn them down. What happens if one of those guys decides that he doesn't WANT to be turned down and either rapes or kills you?? (Sorry...but it's a very real possibility, it's happened, and I'm sorry to scare you. )

                                                          that reminds me, whatever happened to Sweety from sweetysfeast.com?

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                                                            • LadyMischief
                                                              Orgasms N Such!
                                                              • Sep 2002
                                                              • 18135
                                                              #16
                                                              Originally posted by va2k

                                                              Im just going by your words bro, talking to a lawyer and trying to fig out what is the best way to do it. personaly i dont give a shit if the whole world knows where i live. A nice 357 with hollow points will help stop alot of fear *shrugs*
                                                              Go ahead but that lawyer is going to tell you the same thing. Hell, even Playboy posts Custodial information at the end of their shows.. take note next time.

                                                              You MUST DISPLAY CUSTODIAL INFORMATION AT ALL TIMES WITH FULL ADDRESS or you leave yourself open to legal rammifications, period. It has ALWAYS been this way.

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                                                                • Marcus
                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                  • Jul 2001
                                                                  • 3472
                                                                  #17
                                                                  Is this law only for people who shoot content?

                                                                  Can't you just rent a tiny office space and put your records in there with a telephone # of the office and then you're OK?

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                                                                    • LadyMischief
                                                                      Orgasms N Such!
                                                                      • Sep 2002
                                                                      • 18135
                                                                      #18
                                                                      Originally posted by AaronM
                                                                      Anybody else seeing a pattern here?

                                                                      Comply with the laws. They have been in place for a liong fucking time. Nothing new about this address requirement.
                                                                      Most people don't even realize there IS a law regarding this. They just don't do the research.

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                                                                        • steffie
                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                          • May 2002
                                                                          • 2422
                                                                          #19
                                                                          Originally posted by AaronM


                                                                          New law?

                                                                          That law has been in place for YEARS. Nothing new about that part.
                                                                          I know that, we always put down our PO Box and in addition

                                                                          Angelika Potter, who can be reached at [email protected] or at (888) 218 3283 PO Box 3732 Frederick, MD 21705 (for inquiries regarding physical address of releases)

                                                                          We put down a toll free number so they can contact us. I get about 3 cranked calls per day on that number, so we always screen that number.

                                                                          You must put down the address where you keep the model releases period. We also have a house in another city where we receive mail. However it is rented out to a young family with children. I can't put down that address because its not where I keep my model-releases.

                                                                          You cannot cloak it, because its against the law.
                                                                          You must keep it where you do business.

                                                                          Period!

                                                                          Aaron you are a content provider, its easy for you to say, you have no contact with horny members who want to do you, party with you. Nada.. It's us Amateurs, its guys who use your content inside Members Areas. We are the once being targeted.

                                                                          It's the paysite owner. And without paysite owners, content providers are going down just like us.

                                                                          Well, I guess I go ahead and add my physical address now.

                                                                          Cheers.
                                                                          Partying since '96 and not going anywhere Anna's Dorm

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                                                                            • LadyMischief
                                                                              Orgasms N Such!
                                                                              • Sep 2002
                                                                              • 18135
                                                                              #20
                                                                              Originally posted by Marcus
                                                                              Is this law only for people who shoot content?

                                                                              Can't you just rent a tiny office space and put your records in there with a telephone # of the office and then you're OK?
                                                                              There has to be someone available during business hours to supply documentation. Other than that I would think renting an office that you were using for some portion of your business would be acceptable. This law applies to EVERYONE who uses content in one way or another.. producers, distributors, webmasters. Read up, it's important information. Ignorance of the law doesn't hold up as an excuse in court.

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                                                                                • SpaceAce
                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                  • Jul 2002
                                                                                  • 6493
                                                                                  #21
                                                                                  Originally posted by steffie

                                                                                  I am an Amateur for the past 7 years...

                                                                                  Hahaha, does anyone else find this funny?

                                                                                  I am not trying to mock your question, but that statement is kind of humorous.

                                                                                  SpaceAce

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                                                                                    • AaronM
                                                                                      GFY Royality ;)
                                                                                      • Oct 2001
                                                                                      • 46917
                                                                                      #22
                                                                                      Originally posted by FATPad
                                                                                      Why are some of you not reading the info being posted?

                                                                                      You can't use PO boxes, Mailbox etc addresses, etc.

                                                                                      It clearly says the address must be the place of business where the records can be inspected. Your place of business, not a remote mail collection type of thing like a PO Box.

                                                                                      They have to be able to write the address down, drive to it, knock on a door, show their little badges and ask to see the records.
                                                                                      Why? Because they are stupid. There is no other explanation.

                                                                                      The best part is that some seem to think this is all new. Just goes to show you how ingornant people endanger their own futures as well as the future of others.

                                                                                      Instead of trying to find a way around the law, how about complying with it? The law is very clear but a lot of these people think they found a loophole.

                                                                                      Kinda odd that a bunch of high school drop outs, who run small websites that do not even cover all of their bills, seem to think that they know more about the laws then prominent attorneys.

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                                                                                        • LadyMischief
                                                                                          Orgasms N Such!
                                                                                          • Sep 2002
                                                                                          • 18135
                                                                                          #23
                                                                                          Originally posted by steffie


                                                                                          I know that, we always put down our PO Box and in addition

                                                                                          Angelika Potter, who can be reached at [email protected] or at (888) 218 3283 PO Box 3732 Frederick, MD 21705 (for inquiries regarding physical address of releases)

                                                                                          We put down a toll free number so they can contact us. I get about 3 cranked calls per day on that number, so we always screen that number.

                                                                                          You must put down the address where you keep the model releases period. We also have a house in another city where we receive mail. However it is rented out to a young family with children. I can't put down that address because its not where I keep my model-releases.

                                                                                          You cannot cloak it, because its against the law.
                                                                                          You must keep it where you do business.

                                                                                          Period!

                                                                                          Aaron you are a content provider, its easy for you to say, you have no contact with horny members who want to do you, party with you. Nada.. It's us Amateurs, its guys who use your content inside Members Areas. We are the once being targeted.

                                                                                          It's the paysite owner. And without paysite owners, content providers are going down just like us.

                                                                                          Well, I guess I go ahead and add my physical address now.

                                                                                          Cheers.
                                                                                          I'm a content provider and my place of business is my home. I produce content so I have to put my physical address out there too. I definitely understand where you're coming from. I can see why you are hesitant and it's a damn shame the assholes who make these laws don't realize what kind of an impact it's going to have on the homefront for a lot of families who rely on this kind of thing. They wrote the laws to "protect" people, yet they are putting as many at risk. It's silly, but it's the law

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                                                                                            • DrGuile
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                                                                                              • Jan 2002
                                                                                              • 2025
                                                                                              #24
                                                                                              I dont know how successful your business is, but get a rickidy office, leave records there.

                                                                                              Dont need to be there more than what, once a month to drop new files and shit.
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                                                                                                • asuna
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                                                                                                  • May 2002
                                                                                                  • 8743
                                                                                                  #25
                                                                                                  Originally posted by AaronM


                                                                                                  Why? Because they are stupid. There is no other explanation.

                                                                                                  The best part is that some seem to think this is all new. Just goes to show you how ingornant people endanger their own futures as well as the future of others.

                                                                                                  Instead of trying to find a way around the law, how about complying with it? The law is very clear but a lot of these people think they found a loophole.

                                                                                                  Kinda odd that a bunch of high school drop outs, who run small websites that do not even cover all of their bills, seem to think that they know more about the laws then prominent attorneys.
                                                                                                  Atleast Aaron went out and asked an attorney the right questions and got the right answers

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                                                                                                    • LadyMischief
                                                                                                      Orgasms N Such!
                                                                                                      • Sep 2002
                                                                                                      • 18135
                                                                                                      #26
                                                                                                      Originally posted by AaronM


                                                                                                      Why? Because they are stupid. There is no other explanation.

                                                                                                      The best part is that some seem to think this is all new. Just goes to show you how ingornant people endanger their own futures as well as the future of others.

                                                                                                      Instead of trying to find a way around the law, how about complying with it? The law is very clear but a lot of these people think they found a loophole.

                                                                                                      Kinda odd that a bunch of high school drop outs, who run small websites that do not even cover all of their bills, seem to think that they know more about the laws then prominent attorneys.
                                                                                                      But but but... dontcha know.. The money we spend on lawyers is useless.

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                                                                                                        • playa
                                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                                          • Feb 2001
                                                                                                          • 6432
                                                                                                          #27
                                                                                                          steffie, safety of you and your family is number one priority,

                                                                                                          I'd rather get a mail box etc account looks like physical address until a person actually gets there.

                                                                                                          I'd Rather have a fed agent visit there and get in trouble then a stalker visit your house,

                                                                                                          Whats the worse than can happen doing it like that?
                                                                                                          going to court and paying some $$$

                                                                                                          or have a stalker at your house?

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                                                                                                            • Kick Ass Chat
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                                                                                                              • Dec 2002
                                                                                                              • 2057
                                                                                                              #28
                                                                                                              Can't you use you Lawyers address as the custodian of all records?? or get a small real office someplace to keep all your records in, and you can still do your shoots wherever you want..... you dont have to keep the records on each and every location you take pics at...
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                                                                                                                • LadyMischief
                                                                                                                  Orgasms N Such!
                                                                                                                  • Sep 2002
                                                                                                                  • 18135
                                                                                                                  #29
                                                                                                                  Originally posted by playa
                                                                                                                  steffie, safety of you and your family is number one priority,

                                                                                                                  I'd rather get a mail box etc account looks like physical address until a person actually gets there.

                                                                                                                  I'd Rather have a fed agent visit there and get in trouble then a stalker visit your house,

                                                                                                                  Whats the worse than can happen doing it like that?
                                                                                                                  going to court and paying some $$$

                                                                                                                  or have a stalker at your house?
                                                                                                                  Uh huh, and when that fed comes knocking, you go to jail for a LONG time. HOw is that going to keep your family safe? If you don't comply with the statute, you are fucking your future, the future of everyone in your life or who depends on you. How is that smart? It's not just going to court and paying some $$$. Have you LOOKEd at the penalties for breaking 2257 laws? Start reading. Now.

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                                                                                                                    • steffie
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                                                                                                                      • May 2002
                                                                                                                      • 2422
                                                                                                                      #30
                                                                                                                      Originally posted by DrGuile
                                                                                                                      I dont know how successful your business is, but get a rickidy office, leave records there.

                                                                                                                      Dont need to be there more than what, once a month to drop new files and shit.
                                                                                                                      We had that at one point, however its a pain in the ass. So we decided to build an office in the house.
                                                                                                                      Partying since '96 and not going anywhere Anna's Dorm

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                                                                                                                        • LadyMischief
                                                                                                                          Orgasms N Such!
                                                                                                                          • Sep 2002
                                                                                                                          • 18135
                                                                                                                          #31
                                                                                                                          Originally posted by GirlsFrehahahahas
                                                                                                                          Can't you use you Lawyers address as the custodian of all records?? or get a small real office someplace to keep all your records in, and you can still do your shoots wherever you want..... you dont have to keep the records on each and every location you take pics at...
                                                                                                                          No, you have to have the records physically where you conduct business. If you have an office that is your home base, etc, that is your place of business. Check into it.

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                                                                                                                            • Kick Ass Chat
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                                                                                                                              • Dec 2002
                                                                                                                              • 2057
                                                                                                                              #32
                                                                                                                              Originally posted by LadyMischief


                                                                                                                              No, you have to have the records physically where you conduct business. If you have an office that is your home base, etc, that is your place of business. Check into it.
                                                                                                                              NO you can have an actual office that is where you do all of your business from and keep all your records. Now you go out on location to do shoots ie your house, the beach, the woods etc.....
                                                                                                                              That is what I'm talking about. You are not limitted to doing shoots in just 1 location (where you keep the records).
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                                                                                                                                • directfiesta
                                                                                                                                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                                  • Oct 2002
                                                                                                                                  • 30183
                                                                                                                                  #33
                                                                                                                                  Posted by Steffie:
                                                                                                                                  I am an Amateur for the past 7 years,

                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by SpaceAce

                                                                                                                                  Hahaha, does anyone else find this funny?

                                                                                                                                  I am not trying to mock your question, but that statement is kind of humorous.

                                                                                                                                  SpaceAce
                                                                                                                                  Must admit SpaceAge that this time ( and only this one time ) you have a valid point....

                                                                                                                                  How long can you be an ' amateur" ???

                                                                                                                                  On a more serious note, Steffie, you have to be carefull not to expose ( no pun intended...) yourself to harm, neither be subject of criminal action by the GOV. I could tell you to move to Canada, but it could be a drastic measure.

                                                                                                                                  I think that if you keep your records in perfect order, have an original at home and another original in an " office that you rent". the authorities could be understanding. If not, I am sure a judge would see that you are not trying to abuse the system but to protect yourself from abuse.

                                                                                                                                  Good luck!

                                                                                                                                  PS: let me know when you turn " pro"
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                                                                                                                                  But I can't figure out how he can breathe or type , at the same time ....

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                                                                                                                                    • Interlude
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                                                                                                                                      • Feb 2001
                                                                                                                                      • 1147
                                                                                                                                      #34
                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by playa
                                                                                                                                      steffie, safety of you and your family is number one priority,

                                                                                                                                      I'd rather get a mail box etc account looks like physical address until a person actually gets there.

                                                                                                                                      I'd Rather have a fed agent visit there and get in trouble then a stalker visit your house,

                                                                                                                                      Whats the worse than can happen doing it like that?
                                                                                                                                      going to court and paying some $$$

                                                                                                                                      or have a stalker at your house?
                                                                                                                                      Agreed.

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                                                                                                                                            • AaronM
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                                                                                                                                              • Oct 2001
                                                                                                                                              • 46917
                                                                                                                                              #36
                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by steffie
                                                                                                                                              Aaron you are a content provider, its easy for you to say, you have no contact with horny members who want to do you, party with you. Nada.. It's us Amateurs, its guys who use your content inside Members Areas. We are the once being targeted.

                                                                                                                                              It's the paysite owner. And without paysite owners, content providers are going down just like us.

                                                                                                                                              Well, I guess I go ahead and add my physical address now.

                                                                                                                                              Cheers.
                                                                                                                                              Wrong again. Paysite owners can list the address of the primary producer. They do not have to list their own as THEY ARE NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR MAINTAINING THOSE RECORDS. They NEVER have been.

                                                                                                                                              There are 2 other ways that MIGHT work with this issue. One of them requires a great deal of trust and the other only dilutes the concern. Since I am not concerned about this, I will not be spending any time or money to have any attorneys review these, but you may want to check with your own attorney and see about them.

                                                                                                                                              1: Contract your site to a business associate who lives far away from you. Have them be responsible for the site and act as the secondary producer. They then have the option of listing their address as the 2257 custodian. What this means is that you basically sell your site to them but in the paperwork, you specify that you still maintain X percentage of the profits. You then give that person all of the requried documentation. At this point, you pretty much become the content provider instead of the actual owner of the site. If they fuck up, it is their ass, not yours.

                                                                                                                                              This should work as long as the new "owner" is good about keeping their address as the secondary producer and custodian of records.

                                                                                                                                              2: Add other content into your members area and flood your 2257 declaration page with shitloads of addresses from the primary producers. You simply slip your address into the mix with 20 others and it wil seriously dilute the issue. Here is an example of what I am talking about.

                                                                                                                                              CECash

                                                                                                                                              ATKingdom

                                                                                                                                              A lot of the amatuer sites have plug-ins and also "Friends" areas that could be used for this. If you list all of the "friends" addresss then who is to know which is yours?

                                                                                                                                              Again, I want to stress that I am NOT an attorney and I have NOT run these ideas by any of my attorneys. I do know a great deal about this law and I personally think that both of these are valid options but PLEASE check with your own attorney before relying on them.

                                                                                                                                              If they do work, you can thank me later.

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                                                                                                                                                • AaronM
                                                                                                                                                  GFY Royality ;)
                                                                                                                                                  • Oct 2001
                                                                                                                                                  • 46917
                                                                                                                                                  #37
                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by playa
                                                                                                                                                  steffie, safety of you and your family is number one priority,

                                                                                                                                                  I'd rather get a mail box etc account looks like physical address until a person actually gets there.

                                                                                                                                                  I'd Rather have a fed agent visit there and get in trouble then a stalker visit your house,

                                                                                                                                                  Whats the worse than can happen doing it like that?
                                                                                                                                                  going to court and paying some $$$

                                                                                                                                                  or have a stalker at your house?
                                                                                                                                                  Actually....The new law increased it from 2 to 5 years in jail.

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                                                                                                                                                    • steffie
                                                                                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                      • May 2002
                                                                                                                                                      • 2422
                                                                                                                                                      #38
                                                                                                                                                      [QUOTE]Originally posted by directfiesta



                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by SpaceAce



                                                                                                                                                      Hahaha, does anyone else find this funny?

                                                                                                                                                      I am not trying to mock your question, but that statement is kind of humorous.

                                                                                                                                                      SpaceAce                                                                                                                                                       [/QUOTE

                                                                                                                                                      Must admit SpaceAge that this time ( and only this one time ) you have a valid point....

                                                                                                                                                      How long can you be an ' amateur" ???

                                                                                                                                                      On a more serious note, Steffie, you have to be carefull not to expose ( no pun intended...) yourself to harm, neither be subject of criminal action by the GOV. I could tell you to move to Canada, but it could be a drastic measure.

                                                                                                                                                      I think that if you keep your records in perfect order, have an original at home and another original in an " office that you rent". the authorities could be uinderstanding. If not, I am sure a judge would see that you are not trying to abuse the system but to protect yourself from abuse.

                                                                                                                                                      Good luck!

                                                                                                                                                      PS: let me know when you turn " pro"
                                                                                                                                                      I went ahead and added my physical address just now.

                                                                                                                                                      I guess I will be the first Amateur (I am an Amateur, I don't work for a big company, I don't get paid for shoots, I interact personally with my Members) to do so. I actually went looking at my friends websites and all of them still have their po box listed.

                                                                                                                                                      Oh well... I guess I just cross my fingers, however there is a small help "So my attorney says"

                                                                                                                                                      Most members don't care for reading a bunch of crap on our sites. The legal notices from all of our sites are now going directly into tapact.com (Still changing most links around)
                                                                                                                                                      which than there is a link to tapact.com/legal.htm
                                                                                                                                                      my home address is listed 4 paragraphs down under Custodian of records.
                                                                                                                                                      My lawyer looked at how I did it and said this will be fine.

                                                                                                                                                      I had him look at how some of the biggest Amateur sites are doing it like Carol Cox and kinda mimicked it of them.

                                                                                                                                                      So it makes me feel a little better.
                                                                                                                                                      Partying since '96 and not going anywhere Anna's Dorm

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                                                                                                                                                        • asuna
                                                                                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                          • May 2002
                                                                                                                                                          • 8743
                                                                                                                                                          #39
                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by steffie



                                                                                                                                                          Aaron you are a content provider, its easy for you to say, you have no contact with horny members who want to do you, party with you. Nada.. It's us Amateurs, its guys who use your content inside Members Areas. We are the once being targeted.



                                                                                                                                                          Cheers.
                                                                                                                                                          ALL the girls want to sleep and party with Aaron!

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                                                                                                                                                            • FATPad
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                                                                                                                                                              • Oct 2001
                                                                                                                                                              • 6693
                                                                                                                                                              #40
                                                                                                                                                              I'm just curious how many of the people trying to find loopholes and saying "The judge will understand" have talked to a lawyer?

                                                                                                                                                              Even on an informal basis, like a friend who's a lawyer or something.
                                                                                                                                                              <a href="http://www.adultcontent.co.uk">Adult Content UK - Great British Content</a>

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                                                                                                                                                                • AaronM
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                                                                                                                                                                  • Oct 2001
                                                                                                                                                                  • 46917
                                                                                                                                                                  #41
                                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by FATPad
                                                                                                                                                                  I'm just curious how many of the people trying to find loopholes and saying "The judge will understand" have talked to a lawyer?

                                                                                                                                                                  Even on an informal basis, like a friend who's a lawyer or something.

                                                                                                                                                                  None.

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                                                                                                                                                                    • AaronM
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                                                                                                                                                                      • Oct 2001
                                                                                                                                                                      • 46917
                                                                                                                                                                      #42
                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by asuna


                                                                                                                                                                      ALL the girls want to sleep and party with Aaron!
                                                                                                                                                                      Tis true.
                                                                                                                                                                      Ah, the drags of this biz.

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                                                                                                                                                                        • Marcus
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                                                                                                                                                                          • Jul 2001
                                                                                                                                                                          • 3472
                                                                                                                                                                          #43
                                                                                                                                                                          How does 2257 effect tgps and people who make tgp galleries?
                                                                                                                                                                          I dont make the content, I buy it from places like matrix, ounique etc.

                                                                                                                                                                          I mean do you have to put a statement on all of your galleries with Matrix's address?

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                                                                                                                                                                            • AaronM
                                                                                                                                                                              GFY Royality ;)
                                                                                                                                                                              • Oct 2001
                                                                                                                                                                              • 46917
                                                                                                                                                                              #44
                                                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by Marcus
                                                                                                                                                                              How does 2257 effect tgps and people who make tgp galleries?
                                                                                                                                                                              I dont make the content, I buy it from places like matrix, ounique etc.

                                                                                                                                                                              I mean do you have to put a statement on all of your galleries with Matrix's address?
                                                                                                                                                                              What did your attorney tell you about this?

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                                                                                                                                                                                • gruffy
                                                                                                                                                                                  So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                                                                                                  • Feb 2003
                                                                                                                                                                                  • 776
                                                                                                                                                                                  #45
                                                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by AaronM


                                                                                                                                                                                  1: Contract your site to a business associate who lives far away from you. Have them be responsible for the site and act as the secondary producer. They then have the option of listing their address as the 2257 custodian. What this means is that you basically sell your site to them but in the paperwork, you specify that you still maintain X percentage of the profits. You then give that person all of the requried documentation. At this point, you pretty much become the content provider instead of the actual owner of the site. If they fuck up, it is their ass, not yours.

                                                                                                                                                                                  Actually on this topic, would it be possible to just send all your 2257 records to a coporation in another country (Canada for instance) and pay them a fee for maintaining these records and processing requests?

                                                                                                                                                                                  Or have the legal tards anticipated this and added stickies to the law?

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                                                                                                                                                                                    • AaronM
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                                                                                                                                                                                      • Oct 2001
                                                                                                                                                                                      • 46917
                                                                                                                                                                                      #46
                                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by gruffy



                                                                                                                                                                                      Actually on this topic, would it be possible to just send all your 2257 records to a coporation in another country (Canada for instance) and pay them a fee for maintaining these records and processing requests?

                                                                                                                                                                                      Or have the legal tards anticipated this and added stickies to the law?
                                                                                                                                                                                      Find your answer here:

                                                                                                                                                                                      http://gofuckyourself.com/showthread...hreadid=126106

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                                                                                                                                                                                        • steffie
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                                                                                                                                                                                          • May 2002
                                                                                                                                                                                          • 2422
                                                                                                                                                                                          #47
                                                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by AaronM


                                                                                                                                                                                          Tis true.
                                                                                                                                                                                          Ah, the drags of this biz.
                                                                                                                                                                                          he he,, Guys should love this..

                                                                                                                                                                                          Unless of course you get this really really horny 6'4" Bubba type who wants to fuck you in the ass and starts to stalk you, sits in front of your house, harrasses your kids, sends you love letters and threatens to kill your wife unless you do him

                                                                                                                                                                                          Oh,, never mind, the government will protect you.

                                                                                                                                                                                          he he..

                                                                                                                                                                                          It's ok, I complied with the law 100% as of today. Sure I tried the po box for years and yup it worked well for me. I guess thats now over and done with. No more cloaking and hiding my real address.

                                                                                                                                                                                          Partying since '96 and not going anywhere Anna's Dorm

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                                                                                                                                                                                            • AaronM
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                                                                                                                                                                                              • Oct 2001
                                                                                                                                                                                              • 46917
                                                                                                                                                                                              #48
                                                                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by steffie
                                                                                                                                                                                              It's ok, I complied with the law 100% as of today. Sure I tried the po box for years and yup it worked well for me. I guess thats now over and done with. No more cloaking and hiding my real address.
                                                                                                                                                                                              If I could reach through this monitor and slap some sense into you, I would.

                                                                                                                                                                                              The P.O. Box DID NOT work well for you. You were still in violation of the law.

                                                                                                                                                                                              Read the 2 options I listed above. The 2nd one should work well for you.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                • UnseenWorld
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                                                                                                                                                                                                  • May 2001
                                                                                                                                                                                                  • 5279
                                                                                                                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by Tala
                                                                                                                                                                                                  I must agree with you here, steffie. Seems that these idiots, in attempting to make life more difficult for the adult entertainment industry, didn't bother to take into consideration that by forcing content providers or work-from-home ladies like yourself to put a physical address on their stuff that it puts not only your business but your life in danger. Some of those horny crackpots aren't going to be satisfied with just meeting you, etc. especially if you turn them down. What happens if one of those guys decides that he doesn't WANT to be turned down and either rapes or kills you?? (Sorry...but it's a very real possibility, it's happened, and I'm sorry to scare you. )

                                                                                                                                                                                                  Fuck that. Get a P.O. box or (do like I do) use an alternative snail-mail address. I own a house in another county, and have all my questionable mail sent there. I go pick it up every other day or so. And no one lives there at the moment, so there's not anyone endangered by me doing that.

                                                                                                                                                                                                  I'm sure driving as many people out of the business was one of the unstated intentions of the law. They are thinking that you won't think the risk of physical harm is enough to stay and business and that you'll open up a used Bible shop instead.
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                                                                                                                                                                                                    • Va2k
                                                                                                                                                                                                      I’m still alive barley.
                                                                                                                                                                                                      • Oct 2001
                                                                                                                                                                                                      • 10060
                                                                                                                                                                                                      #50


                                                                                                                                                                                                      boy you really love givingshit to people don't ya aaron? It's funny and bro I like ya but it's funny as shit that the thread was going smooth then you jumped in and then everyone else jumps in and tries to act like ya haha If there was anyone in this thread that I would listen to it would be you on this. Everyone else well *shrugs* Ive allways had a 2257 on my site but was not the right way of doing it. It is now thanks for the info bro!

                                                                                                                                                                                                      TOM

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