the flood of free porn: TGP's should act.

what exactly was wrong with what i said?

seriously... it's not fair that you just call me an idiot... tell me why you think i'm an idiot and i might actually learn something, or at least have a chance to clarify what i was trying to say.

<chuckle> ... and which "regular" TGP sites are these being referenced to ?

in reference to what OldTimer said: in general - porn surfers probably don't care what an actual site looks like. they just want "big pretty pictures". and lots of them. bunches even. big ones. hardcore. and they don't wanna work real hard to get them. no real mouse movement or anything to break their concentration and shit. words are BAD !! none of those distracting text links. and they want you to come over while they're surfing and give them a blow job while they're doing it to ... enhance their surfing experience ... and don't forget to leave a $20 on the fucking nightstand on your way out. don't expect a kiss either. and same time tomorrow BTW ...

all your teegeepee belongs to shit

Very well said

Oz

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Oz

The only problem is that Windows Media Player 9 disables scripting by default. I've already checked.

OK!

The Tgp scene will change if the gallerymakers and tgp makers tire of lousy margins and start to think of ways of increasing conversions instead of getting millions of more freeloaders by posting larger and more explicit galleries then the next tgp....

Ah, yes, the age old argument against free porn. I've followed a zillion of these now and they all go the same route.

* The vast majority believe the free porn mountain is out of control and want to see something done about it.

* A few don't like it, but believe nothing can be done.

* And a few are perfectly happy serving up a million pics just to make one sale.

Let's start with the bottom line: It _doesn't_ have to be like this! I completely disagree with the belief that nothing can be done. I *do* agree that TGP won't be going anywhere.....for awhile, that is.

A lot of ideas fail because people just don't stick with them. It takes time and lots of effort to shape and fuel new ideas, and to break out of the old bad habbits. It's not easy. But you have to look at it as an investment; an investment that will pay off in the long run, and if you work hard enough, in the short term too.

ABSOLUTELY NOTHING WILL CHANGE IF ALL WE DO IS BITCH!

There is a perfect example of the enthusiasm that is needed for TGP2, here in this thread: The idea of watering down the free porn on Kaaza with junk, ultimately making a lot of people give up and hopefully _sign up_. A few posters, and probably many more lurking, are interested in this idea. And what will it do? It will cut down on the free porn and force people onto Google.

But why force people off of Kaaza and straight onto a 10,000 link hardcore TGP? A few will make some bucks, but most of those surfers will jizz to *your* gallery and then grab a burger off the grill while you're coughing up overage charges to your host.

TGP2 is the solution to the free porn mountain. It has been _proven_ to work. All it needs are WM's committed to investing in *their own* careers! Why do people buy 30 year bonds when they could go out and buy a leather couch NOW? Obviously, the payoff in the longrun far outweighs the short term gains.

Myth #1: The big TGP's have to switch to TGP2 in order for it to be successfull. This is only true if you demand no less than 500K uniques from your first gal submittion.

Myth #2: We schmucks at the bottom must also convert all of our TGP's to TGP2's overnight. No one says you have to completely ditch TGP. There are a number of options. (keep reading)

Myth #3: TGP2 will never have as much traffic as TGP. This is actually a misconception; TGP2 doesn't _need_ as much traffic as TGP. TGP2 yields much better ratios, making 10K of TGP2 traffic the equivelant of 30K-60K of TGP traffic, depending on who you talk to.

Myth #4: Surfers will never choose TGP2 over TGP, which will make it very difficult to keep traffic. First off, if you put Tommy's (my main meat beater site for 5 years now) next to a TGP2,....sure, I'll obviously pick Tommy's.......but I never bought anything from Tommy's ads or gals either....

A few points to chew on here:

* WinXP does not come with Tommy's Bookmarks in the entertainment section! Tons of surfers dig for porn on Google everyday. If finding the big TGP's was as easy as unzipping your fly, then there would be no CJ or AVS either.

* Adding to the above, Google is equal opportunity. It is littered with CJ and AVS, meaning there is plenty of room for TGP2 on there.

* Surfer's are always looking for something new, so even if they find some big freebie sites, they're still going to hit the engines and that means a chance to sell them something.

* There are plenty of surfers that either want to buy something NOW, or can be persuaded. Why in the hell would anyone want to point these horny buyers to a TGP, where they'll be much less likely to buy something? These surfers should be 'filtered' by true teaser sites, with *lots* of ads so when they buy, they really get what they like and will rebill.

* Also, some surfers probably do not bookmark. They may need to keep their online adventures private, or maybe they're just occasional surfers and don't care to bookmark. These surfers may also be potential buyers, as getting a membership would mean they don't have to worry about the usual surfing BS, like pop ups, CJ's and hacks. So, these guys will hit the engines too.

Someone else mentioned that a big problem is sponsors refusing to take action. I wholeheartedly agree, and frankly, it is beyond me why they BEND OVER BACKWARDS to support the model that yields the worst ratios! It would appear that they actually approve of getting one sale out of 50,000 gallery loads! (or whatever it averages out to) Some WM's are master marketers, but the rest of us have our share of nasty ratios, and a lot of newbs don't do anything but give stuff away!

Next to food and gasoline, we probably have the hottest product on earth, but we _insist_ on giving it away! Of course, I understand how it has gotten out of hand; one guy trying to out do the next by offering more, but ultimately, the majority of us bust our ass for a few bucks while the big cats sip their Geritol in Maui. ;)

Well, the _majority_ of us can make a change, if we really want to, and there's nothing THEY can do about it! :D

TGP2 has gone through rough times, but it's far from dead, and is now growing on a solid foundation. The group we have now is committed for life. It's not an experiment anymore, it's not a hobby: It's a tried, tested and proven model.

What TGP2, and your career, needs, and how to get started:

* A permanent committment. Decide that TGP2 is worth some of your time, and fit it into your schedule. Period.

* 1 hour in 7 days is not very much, but I'm willing to bet that almost everyone here could afford to put an hour a week into TGP2. If you can invest more, pefect, but set a reasonable minimum and never drop below it.

* We need gallery builders AND site operators. Of course, if you only want to build gals, that's fine, but we need sites pulling from the pool or taking submittions so the equation doesn't get out of balance. I imagine most of you already do both, but to make it easier for admins, Snowone constructed a very nice automatic rotater system that pulls from the pool.

Options:

1) Build a TGP2, and set it up to auto pull gals from the rotater. You can optionally paste in random text from the random text generator too. Mix and match form submissions with the rotater as you see fit.

2) Build another TGP2 and list _only_ your gals, for maximum cash.

3) Addittionally, convert 1 of your TGP's into a Hybrid or build one from scratch. Adjust the ratio of TGP1 gals to TGP2 gals as you like. If you have a daily 100 update, sub in 5 or 10 gals from the rotater for starters, as well as your own. I can't imagine *any* surfer being scared off by the ocassional 5 pic gallery.

Regardless of who gets on board today and who decides to wait until there's an ocean of traffic, *I* will be there until I croak! I hope I and others have persuaded some of you to get involved.

Oh, one more thing. Earlier I hinted that TGP might not be around forever. Well, the one thing that could take it completely off the map is government. If the politicians smell votes and money, then they'll be on this like flies to shit. They're already tackling domain names.

If enough religious people, concerned secular people and politicians get together, TGP may die a very nasty death. Millions of mega hardcore, money shot, and "twisted" fetish gallerys, a single keyword away from Momma's 10 year old on Google? Honest to God, I don't think it's going to last. We can police ourselves, or we can get kicked in the groin.

If the government is "forced" to police us, then it's going to cost all of us, 'cause you can bet they'll be slapping on liscencing fee's to fund some new watchdog agency. Think about it.

Spaceboy! They let you in here
I concur.

TGP2 is on the downward spiral. It may be good for conversions and first time surfers, but once the surfer finds a TGP, guess whos site gets deleted from their bookmarks

I personally don't think you have to worry about Kazza and all the Free Porn on the Net. There will always be free loaders, that will download stuff from kazza and the like.
But if you show the surfer what they like (without giving it away).... he / she will signup.

I think this is an asumption with no valid proof to back this up.
What is better 20 pics of a series each one not much differant than the other or 5 hand selected pics with juicy sales text.

I've seen this happen so I know that it exists. I'll see what I can dig up.

You better re-think that again.
It's on rise. Everyday more and more webmasters are getting involved in tgp2.

Tgp2 is here to stay and is a sound business model.
Get involved and make a difference in your conversion rates.

It's that simple.

Oz

And start listing hybrid pay-per-click galleries alongside all-free ones, whether its TGP or TGP2. Teach the surfer that good porn costs money, even if only a few cents per pic/vid. That gives you a gradual path from the current free-porn-overload to a more sustainable model, with benefits for both galleries and TGP owners, and an increase in both subscription and pay-per-click spending at every stage.

Spaceboy, Jimmer - Good to see you TGP2 guys over here.

Regards,
Danny

Kazaa is not so important I think, people looking for porn pics won't use Kazaa to get them. They will go to TGP's in stead

TGP owners started TGP2. They wernt making any money when bandwidth was 2 bucks a gig, and It was them crying "to much free porn". When bandwidth fell below 50 cents a gig, TGP became profitable again and they forgot all about TGP2.

All the threads I've seen lately about how tough it is to make money have been started by gallery makers and TGP owners, not oldtimers. Interesting, now that its tough to make money at 50 cents a gig, history is repeating itself.

so true

Why would people be against free porn? People download music every day without paying for it

everything should be free... or would that be theft, if you did work, and I didn't pay for it?

I agree most of the searches are for movies not pics. I host a few pics with my url printed on them but don't get many uploads

Now let's look at that one again.... The surfer bookmarks a TGP2, loaded with quality teaser pics and tons of tempting offers. After seeing "all there is to see", content and sponsor wise for a few days and not signing up, he finds a large TGP and decides that freebies are the better way to go.

This is one example of what I was referring to by "filtering" surfers with TGP2's. If you can't convince a surfer to sign up via a good TGP2 site, I doubt you have a chance in hell with that same surfer on a harcore TGP.

CJ's don't get bookmarks either, do they? ;)