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04-15-2003, 05:32 AM

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Certainly not representatives of any particular government. I think the curriculum should be determined by appropriately qualified people who are experts in their field and should not be influenced by the government of the time. They just have to fund the system.

Every child in entitled to an eduction, irreespective of their parents income. That's what equality of opportunity is all about.

I am more distrustful of religious schools that promote their narrow theistic agenda.

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04-15-2003, 05:38 AM

Originally posted by Colin

By definition, tyrannical states have leaders that are not subservient to the law. When leaders are not bound by constitutions, laws, etc. there is tyranny. Hence, "where law ends, tyranny begins"

Lincoln and FDR are revered presidents. They broke the US constitution more times than any president in the history of the usa (although bush is heading for this rank).

You think any "constitution" which is merely a piece of paper can hold back a politico?

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04-15-2003, 05:42 AM

Massivecock,

Do you realize than in your attempt to prove that the United States is the root of all evil in the world, you haven't stayed on topic for even three consecutive posts?

Here's the pattern:

1. Massivecock makes a statement about why the US is the root of all evil in the world

2. Someone simply demonstrates that it is wrong

3. Massivecock makes a NEW statement about why the US is the root of all evil in the world [sometimes related to the first evil, often not]/

Need proof?

From just this thread:

But what about the sanctions?
But what about the water being poisoned?
But what about this kid who died?
But what about Bush killing 1000s?
Byt what about Bush "being in on 9-11"?
But what about the Patriot Act?
But what about National Security Act?
But what about the "Government controlled mafia"?
But what about the "Secret government"?
But what about the "tyrannical US government"?

If you want to make a laundry-list of your grievances with the US, go ahead but your proclaimed "objectiveness" is transparently not.

There is no coherency to your posts other than

1. You hate the USA
2. Life is not fair
3. Everything is a conspiracy

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04-15-2003, 05:54 AM

Originally posted by High Quality

Lincoln and FDR are revered presidents. They broke the US constitution more times than any president in the history of the usa (although bush is heading for this rank).

You think any "constitution" which is merely a piece of paper can hold back a politico?

To start with, I didn't say "law PREVENTS tyranny". That was YOUR interpretation and changes the meaning of the original statement.

Not sure about your statistic or who compiled that.

You know as well as I do that laws are broken, that constitutions are abused and sometimes modified and that people cheat the system. Sometimes they are caught. Sometimes now.

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04-15-2003, 05:56 AM

Originally posted by Colin
Massivecock,

Do you realize than in your attempt to prove that the United States is the root of all evil in the world, you haven't stayed on topic for even three consecutive posts?

Here's the pattern:

1. Massivecock makes a statement about why the US is the root of all evil in the world

2. Someone simply demonstrates that it is wrong

3. Massivecock makes a NEW statement about why the US is the root of all evil in the world [sometimes related to the first evil, often not]/

Need proof?

From just this thread:

But what about the sanctions?
But what about the water being poisoned?
But what about this kid who died?
But what about Bush killing 1000s?
Byt what about Bush "being in on 9-11"?
But what about the Patriot Act?
But what about National Security Act?
But what about the "Government controlled mafia"?
But what about the "Secret government"?
But what about the "tyrannical US government"?

If you want to make a laundry-list of your grievances with the US, go ahead but your proclaimed "objectiveness" is transparently not.

There is no coherency to your posts other than

1. You hate the USA
2. Life is not fair
3. Everything is a conspiracy

I am not attempting to prove the USA is the Root of all Evil.
I am merely pointing out historical facts.

I dont believe or ahere to the idea of wrong or right.
I did not proclaim objectiveness... Please show me where i proclaimed objectiveness?

1). I dont not hate the usa.
2). Life is perfect the way it is.
3). Yes almost everthing is a conspiracy.

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Its not the Us Goverment doing this.
Its the Group of people that controls the Usa Government and many other Governments doing this.
Secret World Govt.
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These people dont give a fuck about human life.
Weather is be American, African, or Chinese.
They think the Whole planet is their little experimentation lab.
They think they are superior to the common folk.
They own the Media
They own the Education system
They own the Money systems
They own the Regulatory Boards
They own the IMF
They own the UN
They own the The World Bank
They own the WHO
They own the Red Cross
They own the United Way
They own the Court System
They are at the top of the pyramid.

All the people working for them on the lower levels have no idea of the evil at the top
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04-15-2003, 06:22 AM

Originally posted by Massivecock

I am not attempting to prove the USA is the Root of all Evil. I am merely pointing out historical facts.

"Bush helped carry out 9-11" is an "historical fact"?

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04-15-2003, 06:52 AM

Originally posted by Colin
Hypothetical question.

You know that 100,000 people are going to be murdered tomorrow. How many people would you be willing to have murdered in order to save the 100,000?

1?
10?
100?
100,000?

Colin, don't be so cruel. You can't expect people to have an answer to the kantianism/utilitarianism debate ready.

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04-15-2003, 07:00 AM

Originally posted by Colin

"Bush helped carry out 9-11" is an "historical fact"?

Yes. Absolutley
Almost all of the evidence leads straight back to him and his crew.

The facts are there.

Question is ... Is one Brainwashed by the USA Mainstream media
to the Point that they ignore or refuse to believe the facts and evidence?
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04-15-2003, 07:01 AM

Im going to sleep
I will be back.
Peace.
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04-15-2003, 07:05 AM

Isn't G.W. Bush the good guy here?
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04-15-2003, 07:06 AM

Originally posted by Massivecock

Yes. Absolutley
Almost all of the evidence leads straight back to him and his crew.

The facts are there.

Maybe we should take a step backwards and define "historical fact"

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04-15-2003, 07:08 AM

Originally posted by punkworld

You can't expect people to have an answer to the kantianism/utilitarianism debate ready.

Seemed like a good idea at the time.

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04-15-2003, 07:10 AM

Originally posted by Colin

Seemed like a good idea at the time.

Well, it's a good way to win debates, that I must admit.

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04-15-2003, 08:02 AM

Originally posted by punkworld

Well, it's a good way to win debates, that I must admit.

Kant AND the utilitarian arguments were toppled a long long time ago.....

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04-15-2003, 08:10 AM

Originally posted by Massivecock

We'll when 15,000 kids a month are dying because of the sanctions.
I think that might do the job!

GENOCIDE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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This getting through to you..
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You are so stupid....
Well if Sadam would sell atleast 1 palace, could feed everyone for a long time.

Sadam is the one starving the children, using the oil money for weapons and building himself another palace.
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04-15-2003, 08:16 AM

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04-15-2003, 08:18 AM

Originally posted by High Quality

Kant AND the utilitarian arguments were toppled a long long time ago.....

Neo-kantianism is going very strong at the moment (read anything by Korsgaard or even Dworkin lately?), as are adaptations of utilitarianism. What you are saying is simply not true. Even though parts of those theories have indeed been proven to be problematic, they still form the basis for some of the strongest theories of the moment.

But please, do enlighten me if you have any proof that suggests otherwise. Also, I'd be very interested in hearing where you got these ideas.

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04-15-2003, 08:38 AM

I just heard that the US liberated another oil feild.. NICE!
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04-15-2003, 08:44 AM

Originally posted by punkworld

Neo-kantianism is going very strong at the moment (read anything by Korsgaard or even Dworkin lately?), as are adaptations of utilitarianism. What you are saying is simply not true. Even though parts of those theories have indeed been proven to be problematic, they still form the basis for some of the strongest theories of the moment.

But please, do enlighten me if you have any proof that suggests otherwise. Also, I'd be very interested in hearing where you got these ideas.

I'm not suggesting utilitarianism isn't in use today, or that Kantianism isn't alive and well.... Yes, there are SOME modern philoshopical movements that suggest that once again, humans are impotent and lack a cohesive mental framework to interpret reality.

However, the straw man of Kant's philosophy is easily destroyed even using Ayn Rand's arguments.

I'd say that most libertarian organizations are much more "main stream" than Korsgaard.

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04-15-2003, 08:51 AM

Originally posted by Colin

"Bush helped carry out 9-11" is an "historical fact"?

Originally posted by Massivecock

Yes. Absolutley
Almost all of the evidence leads straight back to him and his crew.

The facts are there.

Originally posted by Colin

Maybe we should take a step backwards and define "historical fact"

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04-15-2003, 09:03 AM

And you'd prefer a 1000 times more suffering and death, what does that make you?

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04-15-2003, 09:03 AM

Originally posted by Martin
I just heard that the US liberated another oil feild.. NICE!

I can't keep all the conspiracy stories straight.

Don'cha know every oil field saved is one Halliburton doesn't get paid to put the fire out at?

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04-15-2003, 09:04 AM

The kid in that picture was on Nightline last night. He lost both his arms, his mother, father and siblings when a colition bomb landed on their house. The doctors say that he won't live thru the week unless he is sent to London or the US promises the Aid we've said we would provide. All of his wounds are infected, and they have nothing to treat the infection.

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04-15-2003, 09:06 AM

It's a historical fact that we only invaded Iraq so we could capture the oil fields, light them on fire and pay Haliburton tons of money to put out oil well fires.

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04-15-2003, 09:17 AM

I think we should "occupy" and take over Canada next... no reason they should have the right to speak their mind... and enjoy the freedoms that the US government/armies provide for them... they seem very ungrateful ;-))

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04-15-2003, 09:35 AM

Originally posted by Colin
Massivecock,

Do you realize than in your attempt to prove that the United States is the root of all evil in the world, you haven't stayed on topic for even three consecutive posts?

Here's the pattern:

1. Massivecock makes a statement about why the US is the root of all evil in the world

2. Someone simply demonstrates that it is wrong

3. Massivecock makes a NEW statement about why the US is the root of all evil in the world [sometimes related to the first evil, often not]/

Need proof?

From just this thread:

But what about the sanctions?
But what about the water being poisoned?
But what about this kid who died?
But what about Bush killing 1000s?
Byt what about Bush "being in on 9-11"?
But what about the Patriot Act?
But what about National Security Act?
But what about the "Government controlled mafia"?
But what about the "Secret government"?
But what about the "tyrannical US government"?

If you want to make a laundry-list of your grievances with the US, go ahead but your proclaimed "objectiveness" is transparently not.

There is no coherency to your posts other than

1. You hate the USA
2. Life is not fair
3. Everything is a conspiracy

This goes for alot of anti-americans. I can understand thinking that this may be fucked up or maybe that is a conspiracy, but when you go out of your way in attempt to make every little thing look like a evil conspiracy....

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04-15-2003, 09:41 AM

Originally posted by GotGauge

You are so stupid....
Well if Sadam would sell atleast 1 palace, could feed everyone for a long time.

Sadam is the one starving the children, using the oil money for weapons and building himself another palace.
GFY

Don't forget Sadam made it in the Forbes list for the worlds top 5 rich world leaders.

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04-15-2003, 09:52 AM

hahahaha.

so what, the war is about oil. most of you "foreigners" are just jealous cause your countries dont have the balls to take it upon themselves to claim it

i dont see what the problem is here, theres a ton of oil that some shithead dictator is controlling making life for people miserable. why not take control of the oil and in the process make life a bit better for civilians without a psychotic dictator controlling them??? of course the US has to lie about their intentions, i dont think any country would simply tell everyone the truth, "Welp, We want the oil fields, and saddam is an asshole" so who cares, just be happy the us's hardwork paid off.

and as far as you go massivecock, lmao... "ALL THE EVIDENCE POINTS DIRECTLY TO BUSH (9-11)", you're just some shithead civilian who actually has none of the hard facts, you sit around reading your conspiracy sites masturbating all day.
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04-15-2003, 09:53 AM

Originally posted by Colin
Maybe we should take a step backwards and define "historical fact"

It obviously isn't historical fact, he's just stating that there is plenty of evidence to show that what happened September 11th, 2001; was anything but an attack by a few terrorists with planes.

Those two buildings should have withheld the impact of both planes, if you factor that the planes the WTC buildings were designed to withstand, had far more fuel on them, you'd see that these planes used on 9/11, although the same weight, would have been carrying far less combustible energy (flames being the cause).

Anyone who's seen a staged demolition of a building in real life will have to agree that both World Trade Center buildings, and maybe even building number seven were imploded, on purpose. All rigged prior to the event.

The perfect lie: phone calls can't be made at 30,000+ feet from a cell phone, as was stated by the media relating to Barbara Olson's call from her husband on Flight 77.

You must agree that 9/11 was the perfect catalyst for starting what George W Bush has begun, and will continue to do in his presidency.

Facts.
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04-15-2003, 09:54 AM

Originally posted by Massivecock

Yes. Absolutley
Almost all of the evidence leads straight back to him and his crew.

The facts are there.

Question is ... Is one Brainwashed by the USA Mainstream media
to the Point that they ignore or refuse to believe the facts and evidence?

Brainwashed by several independant media sources, I suppose they are all forced by the US goverment to cover up the great evil plan. Does the hundreds of goverment leaders that make up the US federal level learn the secert plan and take a secert oath to keep the plan alive and hide it from the people with brainwashing operations? And how exactly do they control all those media guys?

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04-15-2003, 09:59 AM

you ever drive by some homeless guy talking to himself like at a corner store or something, you dont pay any mind to him, although he is clearly speaking to someone who is not there, so you just make the turn and head on home?

thats what i do with Massive Cock threads.

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04-15-2003, 09:59 AM

Originally posted by kenny
Brainwashed by several independant media sources, I suppose they are all forced by the US goverment to cover up the great evil plan. Does the hundreds of goverment leaders that make up the US federal level learn the secert plan and take a secert oath to keep the plan alive and hide it from the people with brainwashing operations? And how exactly do they control all those media guys?

Money.

The director of the CIA has always had control over all mainstream media sources in the United States, since before Vietnam.
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04-15-2003, 10:01 AM

Originally posted by Massivecock

Yes. Absolutley
Almost all of the evidence leads straight back to him and his crew.

The facts are there.

You're just angry because everyone else figured it out before you.

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04-15-2003, 10:02 AM

Originally posted by Juggernaut

It obviously isn't historical fact, he's just stating that there is plenty of evidence to show that what happened September 11th, 2001; was anything but an attack by a few terrorists with planes.

Those two buildings should have withheld the impact of both planes, if you factor that the planes the WTC buildings were designed to withstand, had far more fuel on them, you'd see that these planes used on 9/11, although the same weight, would have been carrying far less combustible energy (flames being the cause).

Anyone who's seen a staged demolition of a building in real life will have to agree that both World Trade Center buildings, and maybe even building number seven were imploded, on purpose. All rigged prior to the event.

The perfect lie: phone calls can't be made at 30,000+ feet from a cell phone, as was stated by the media relating to Barbara Olson's call from her husband on Flight 77.

You must agree that 9/11 was the perfect catalyst for starting what George W Bush has begun, and will continue to do in his presidency.

Facts.

I want what you are smoking

That is just obsured, I used a cellphone on a flight, I connected to the sprint PCS internet, they told me quote "Never do that again it can mess up the navigation system". Why is it so hard to believe that such a massive terrorist operation didn't take the time to study flight habits and make sure they did it in the perfect time. But I agree It makes more sense that Bush has a secert evil death squad that kills there own and makes it look like terrorist did it.

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04-15-2003, 10:03 AM

Originally posted by Juggernaut

It obviously isn't historical fact, he's just stating that there is plenty of evidence to show that what happened September 11th, 2001; was anything but an attack by a few terrorists with planes.

Those two buildings should have withheld the impact of both planes, if you factor that the planes the WTC buildings were designed to withstand, had far more fuel on them, you'd see that these planes used on 9/11, although the same weight, would have been carrying far less combustible energy (flames being the cause).

Anyone who's seen a staged demolition of a building in real life will have to agree that both World Trade Center buildings, and maybe even building number seven were imploded, on purpose. All rigged prior to the event.

The perfect lie: phone calls can't be made at 30,000+ feet from a cell phone, as was stated by the media relating to Barbara Olson's call from her husband on Flight 77.

You must agree that 9/11 was the perfect catalyst for starting what George W Bush has begun, and will continue to do in his presidency.

Facts.

HAHA

I'm having a hard time deciding who's more fun to watch.

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04-15-2003, 10:05 AM

Originally posted by FATPad
HAHA

I'm having a hard time deciding who's more fun to watch.

Retards like (g)thang and lil2rich4u threaten to kill and sue each other over a domain that gets 4 signups a month or the Conspiracy Theory crew consisting of wonton, massivecock and people like you.

LOL. tough decision indeed.
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04-15-2003, 10:06 AM

Originally posted by High Quality

I'm not suggesting utilitarianism isn't in use today, or that Kantianism isn't alive and well.... Yes, there are SOME modern philoshopical movements that suggest that once again, humans are impotent and lack a cohesive mental framework to interpret reality.

However, the straw man of Kant's philosophy is easily destroyed even using Ayn Rand's arguments.

I'd say that most libertarian organizations are much more "main stream" than Korsgaard.

Ayn Rand's arguments are weak at best. Ethical Egoism has some serious flaws, including turning morality into something completely empty (which wouldn't be a problem if EE would postulate just that, but it doesn't, and thus turns morality into something comparable to a referee at a boxing match saying "do your best!") and completely arbitrary (which, again, wouldn't be a problem, if it would give a rational defense for doing so, but it doesn't and thus becomes a matter of beliefs rather than rational debate).

Fact is that the important ethical theories of the moment are (neo-)kantianism, (neo-)utilitarianism, the social contract theory, virtue ethics (a.k.a. aristotelian ethics, still small but on the rise, despite some unfilled gaps, which could be partially solved by combining it with ethics of care), and to some degree subjectivism, cultural/ethical relativism and ethical/psychological egoism (these last three are not very commonly accepted but have had and still have a large impact).
If the arguments of (non-classic) utilitarianism and (neo-) kantianism have been toppled, it most certainly happened quietly, since then apparently most philosophers have missed it happening.

I'm not sure what to answer to what you said about libertarian organizations being more "main stream" than Korsgaard, simply because I don't really see the relevancy of that comment...

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04-15-2003, 10:06 AM

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I have the Creator given Right of Free will

go read "What is Man" by Samuel Clemens..

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04-15-2003, 10:06 AM

Originally posted by Juggernaut

Money.

The director of the CIA has always had control over all mainstream media sources in the United States, since before Vietnam.

So out of all the thousands of media guys that where paid off, not one leaked. Not one sold his story. I suppose the Federal goverment death squad would kill them if they attemped to expose the evil plan

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04-15-2003, 10:08 AM

Originally posted by Juggernaut

Anyone who's seen a staged demolition of a building in real life will have to agree that both World Trade Center buildings, and maybe even building number seven were imploded, on purpose. All rigged prior to the event.

...

You must agree that 9/11 was the perfect catalyst for starting what George W Bush has begun, and will continue to do in his presidency.

Facts.

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04-15-2003, 10:11 AM

Originally posted by Colin

"We calculated in advance the number of casualties from the enemy, who would be killed based on the position of the tower. We calculated that the floors that would be hit would be three or four floors. I was the most optimistic of them all" - Osama Bin Laden

I am just waiting for someone to tell me that Oshama works for the Federal Goverment or that he is actually a cyberbot and Bush has the remote.

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04-15-2003, 10:12 AM

Originally posted by galleryseek
hahahaha.

so what, the war is about oil. most of you "foreigners" are just jealous cause your countries dont have the balls to take it upon themselves to claim it

i dont see what the problem is here, theres a ton of oil that some shithead dictator is controlling making life for people miserable. why not take control of the oil and in the process make life a bit better for civilians without a psychotic dictator controlling them??? of course the US has to lie about their intentions, i dont think any country would simply tell everyone the truth, "Welp, We want the oil fields, and saddam is an asshole" so who cares, just be happy the us's hardwork paid off.

Although I don't think it's about the oil, what you are saying would come down to:

"My neighbour is an asshole that beats his children. Now, he also has a rather nice house and car, so I think I'm gonna kill him and take his house and car, and since I'll also be setting his children free by doing that, it'll even be a good thing."

(again, I don't think it's about the oil, for all the anti-anti-American conspiracy theorists)

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04-15-2003, 10:15 AM

You people can keep believing that a few failed Cessna pilots overpowered 4 planes armed with nothing more than box cutters.

And keep believing a president that say's he saw the first plane hit the tower... You know, come to think of it, I don't doubt he did see it.

I'm no conspiracy theorist, I just do something most of you fail to do; I like to read about stuff before I believe what CNN tells me.

Most of all I don't go around believing what the all mighty government tells me without asking any questions.
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04-15-2003, 10:16 AM

Originally posted by kenny
I am just waiting for someone to tell me that Oshama works for the Federal Goverment or that he is actually a cyberbot and Bush has the remote.

Do some research on a company known as the Carlyle Group.
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04-15-2003, 10:17 AM

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This is Charly on Lochs machine. So these are my thoughts.

I will predict that in ten years Iraq will be a dictatorship, with secret police, political prisoners, torture chambers and summary executions.

Does GWB really think he can change thousands of years of culture in 3 weeks?

Yeah yeah yeah. I believe that like I believe some of the idiots who posted that this would be a bloody war, and we'd be stuck there in another vietnam.

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04-15-2003, 10:18 AM

For some reason I don't find it hard to believe at all that they only needed boxcutters. Previous hijackings always consisted of the hijackers simply ordering the plane to fly to a new place. Don't do anything stupid, and you won't be hurt was almost always the way it went.

So the crew and passengers went along.

I'm sure all the hindsight prophets will be out to say they KNEW the jets would be flown into towers, but they always seem to be prophetic after the fact anyways.

*shrugs*

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04-15-2003, 10:19 AM

Sorry to say but the excuse that the United States is HELPING Iraq's people, is nothing but pure media. The United States Gov doesn?t even help it?s own people. Jobs are lost, higher taxes, more laws, less rights, etc. Do you really think they give a fuck about the Iraq people?

They are in Iraq for unknown reasons. I figure it was to remind the world of the weapons that we hold and to prove we can adapt to any fighting situation. As well as the oil and other out shipped products. Which is why the rest of the world is so fucking pissed off.

The US military is still bombing Baghdad from 1991, they never stopped and probably won't for many more years. They want that fucking oil but know that they can't just walk in and take it.

Saddam was a bad fucker but Bush is no better. We have people that die with no jobs, no food, no health care, no water, no house and so on every single day. Children that can't get medical treatment, adult's that get fucked up with Cancer that die in their homes with no medical treatment cause their family can't afford millions in bills. Rape, murders and every other like of sicko fucks in the world, all within our borders. Guess we should help others first though, it?s only fair to us that we pay taxes to blow up and then rebuild other countries.

We look at Saddam as one local central killing machine, which he is. But our GOV does the same thing to us but on a massive level that not only effects us but the world.

Where is the evil now?

I figure, we can go in and fix other countries once they un-fuck ours.

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04-15-2003, 10:21 AM

Doc why do you say the US in in Iraq for unknown reasons, then say 'they want that fucking oil.'

contradicts.

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04-15-2003, 10:22 AM

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Doc why do you say the US in in Iraq for unknown reasons, then say 'they want that fucking oil.'

contradicts.

And from what I wrote "I figure" which would still fall under the unknown reason factor

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04-15-2003, 10:23 AM

Originally posted by punkworld

Although I don't think it's about the oil, what you are saying would come down to:

"My neighbour is an asshole that beats his children. Now, he also has a rather nice house and car, so I think I'm gonna kill him and take his house and car, and since I'll also be setting his children free by doing that, it'll even be a good thing."

(again, I don't think it's about the oil, for all the anti-anti-American conspiracy theorists)

I think it is about alot of things. "Operation Iraqi Freedom" is a large physcological platform to make the Iraq goverment fall apart from within. If they called it "Operation find WMD" or "Operation remove hostile dictator" the iraqi people would probably be less willing to surrender or welcome forces. So really this war is about alot of things. The basic formula:

Iraq - Sadam = Better for Iraqi people & US interest
Iraq + Sadam = Alot of problems in the past with no real hope of improvemnt

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