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Great picture with your morning wake up coffee
However, remember that although collateral damages are a sad fact of war, the Iraqi people are now free, as a matter of fact; they are already complaining about the futur meeting that will take place to determine the faith of their country.
Do you think they would have dared complained 2 months ago?
A far as showing gruesome pictures like the on in your link? What value do they have? I've seen this one on Univision, but again, they love to show dead and maimed people on Spanish TV.
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You can liberate some of the people all the time.
You can liberate all the people some of the time.
But you can't liberate all the people all the time.
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-- A fact of Invasion you mean?Originally posted by dav555add
Great picture with your morning wake up coffee
However, remember that although collateral damages are a sad fact of war,
who declared war?
Certainly was not the U.S Congress or Iraq for that matter!
-- Free from what?
the Iraqi people are now free,
Free from their Clean water - None left
Free from their food - Down to last scraps
Free from electricity - U.S blew up power stations
Free from their jobs - Mass looting Destroyed almost every local business
Free from Proper Sanitation
Houses blown to shit.
HA!! Call that freedom?
- Who is They?
as a matter of fact; they are already complaining about the futur meeting that will take place to determine the faith of their country.
A handfull of Iraqis?
The Rest of Iraq is too busy thinking about where to get there next meal and clean water!
Wow!!
Do you think they would have dared complained 2 months ago?
Now they can talk about religion ... thanks... But where's the food!
- The Value of reality..
A far as showing gruesome pictures like the on in your link? What value do they have?
Value of War, Death and Destruction,
and good reasons to avoid it.
I've seen this one on Univision, but again, they love to show dead and maimed people on Spanish TV.
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Hypothetical question.
You know that 100,000 people are going to be murdered tomorrow. How many people would you be willing to have murdered in order to save the 100,000?
1?
10?
100?
100,000?
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None.Originally posted by Colin
Hypothetical question.
You know that 100,000 people are going to be murdered tomorrow. How many people would you be willing to have murdered in order to save the 100,000?
1?
10?
100?
100,000?
Im not a murderer.
Plain and simple.Comment
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You're pretty inhumane. You wouldn't kill one person in order to save 100,000?Originally posted by Massivecock
None.
Im not a murderer.
Plain and simple.
If that were a choice you were forced to make and declined, wouldn't you then be responsible for the death of those 100,000 people?
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Originally posted by Massivecock
None.
Im not a murderer.
Plain and simple.
Great post man. Nice to see some smart people on GFY.
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LOL!!!Originally posted by Colin
You're pretty inhumane. You wouldn't kill one person in order to save 100,000?
If that were a choice you were forced to make and declined, wouldn't you then be responsible for the death of those 100,000 people?
No.
I would not be responsible.
I would not be responsible because I would not be the one killing them.
And I have the Creator given Right of Free will do make any decision I wish. And If I choose to not Murder anyone, then how can that be equated with murderering 100,000?
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Myself murdering another individual is not Justified by me.
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Perhaps it is by you.
In that case go right ahead and murder as many people as you would like in the name of your God, Humanity, Self Righteousness, Super Human Complex or Self Appointed Grim Reaperness.
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Kill one or Kill 1,000,000 dont matter to me.. Still a murderer.
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Steal a bag of Chips or a Car still a thief.Comment
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What's really sad about the kid is that if he had been American and injured like that as a result of 9/11 he'd be hailed a national hero and people would give millions to see him educated and cared for his entire life.
But this kid is just insignificant sand ****** trash. "Collateral Damage" he was called a few posts back. Wrong nationality, wrong religion, wrong skin colour.
Tough luck kid.Comment
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Joe,
Your turn.
Hypothetical question.
You know that 100,000 people are going to be murdered tomorrow. How many people would you be willing to have murdered in order to save the 100,000?
1?
10?
100?
100,000?
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I don't like to answer hypotheticals. I don't think your analogy is accurate or even appropriate.Originally posted by Colin
Joe,
Your turn.
Hypothetical question.
You know that 100,000 people are going to be murdered tomorrow. How many people would you be willing to have murdered in order to save the 100,000?
1?
10?
100?
100,000?
Why would 100,000 people be murdered in one day? Who are they anyway, convicted criminals or kids? Why would killing one person, or ten or a hundred help things? Who's the one person who would be killed? Saddam or an innocent kid?
I know what you are trying to do but war was not the only answer to this situation. The Iraqi people could have overthrown Saddam. People overthrow their leaders all the time... and it was their responsibility if he was such a monster.
So in short, no I'm not murdering anyone.
I'd like to put a gun in your hand and tell you to go blow a six year old kid's head off. I don't think you'd do it.Comment
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YUP.Originally posted by Joe Sixpack
What's really sad about the kid is that if he had been American and injured like that as a result of 9/11 he'd be hailed a national hero and people would give millions to see him educated and cared for his entire life.
But this kid is just insignificant sand ****** trash. "Collateral Damage" he was called a few posts back. Wrong nationality, wrong religion, wrong skin colour.
Tough luck kid.
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What analogy?Originally posted by Joe Sixpack
I don't like to answer hypotheticals. I don't think your analogy is accurate or even appropriate.
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The one person I was supposed to kill was an innocent civilian and the 100,000 that would have been saved were the people Saddam would have had killed in the future.Originally posted by Colin
What analogy?
Right?Comment
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You sound too libertarian to be living in Australia.Originally posted by Joe Sixpack
The one person I was supposed to kill was an innocent civilian and the 100,000 that would have been saved were the people Saddam would have had killed in the future.
Right?
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No. Let me rephrase:Originally posted by Joe Sixpack
The one person I was supposed to kill was an innocent civilian and the 100,000 that would have been saved were the people Saddam would have had killed in the future.
Right?
Hypothetical question.
You know that 100,000 "innocent, normal" people are going to be murdered tomorrow. How many "innocent, normal" people would you be willing to have murdered in order to save the 100,000?
1?
10?
100?
100,000?
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Massivecock, show us all the pics. The collateral damage in world war 2, for example. Show us pics with civilians killed in Italy, France, Germany by Allied raids, so we can better understand what you say. Maybe they should have stayed home and let Hitler rule Europe to avoid civilian casualties.
Also, show us pics with the liberated political prisoners from the Iraqi jails, awaiting execution.
Also, show us pics with the executed people by the Iraqi regime during this war because they chose not to fight for anyone in this war.
And also, if you don't mind, settle in North Korea or Cuba, protest against the injustice there and go to prison awaiting execution, and before getting brainwashed or executed, let us know if you prefer to be liberated or you care more for a few innocent civilians that inevitably get killed or wounded in such conflicts.
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Indeed. MOST inconvenient!!!Originally posted by dav555add
Great picture with your morning wake up coffee
Idiot.Comment
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I'm libertarian when it comes to things like drug laws and abortion... but believe very strongly in the role of the state.Originally posted by High Quality
You sound too libertarian to be living in Australia.
But I believe the state should provide taxpayer funded primary and high school education and universal health care for all.
I believe in social safety nets... I believe in a liveable minimum wage and trade unions to protect the rights and bargain on behalf of workers... if thats what they want.
I also think the state should protect the environment on behalf of all citizens because private enterprise doesn't give a fuck and never will unless they are forced.Comment
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This is Charly on Lochs machine. So these are my thoughts.
I will predict that in ten years Iraq will be a dictatorship, with secret police, political prisoners, torture chambers and summary executions.
Does GWB really think he can change thousands of years of culture in 3 weeks?
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I can't answer that question.Originally posted by Colin
No. Let me rephrase:
Hypothetical question.
You know that 100,000 "innocent, normal" people are going to be murdered tomorrow. How many "innocent, normal" people would you be willing to have murdered in order to save the 100,000?
1?
10?
100?
100,000?
I'm not sure I'm capable of murdering an "innocent, normal" person. Wouldn't that make me as bad as whoever is going to murder the 100,000 just on a smaller scale?Comment
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Not sure, Joe. I don't think there's a good answer to that.
Here are the two possible outcomes:
A. 100,000 people died
B. 1 person died
"Joe Sixpack" murdered one person.
I find the first outcome to be 1000 times more repulsive than the second. You?
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Ahh. Far more ignorant than I expected.Originally posted by Joe Sixpack
I'm libertarian when it comes to things like drug laws and abortion... but believe very strongly in the role of the state.
But I believe the state should provide taxpayer funded primary and high school education and universal health care for all.
I believe in social safety nets... I believe in a liveable minimum wage and trade unions to protect the rights and bargain on behalf of workers... if thats what they want.
I also think the state should protect the environment on behalf of all citizens because private enterprise doesn't give a fuck and never will unless they are forced.
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Its about the oil money. Obviously. If you think otherwise I suggest you watchOriginally posted by Loch
This is Charly on Lochs machine. So these are my thoughts.
I will predict that in ten years Iraq will be a dictatorship, with secret police, political prisoners, torture chambers and summary executions.
Does GWB really think he can change thousands of years of culture in 3 weeks?
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Because I disagree with you?Originally posted by High Quality
Ahh. Far more ignorant than I expected.
Whatever.Comment
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Originally posted by Cash
Massivecock, show us all the pics. The collateral damage in world war 2, for example. Show us pics with civilians killed in Italy, France, Germany by Allied raids, so we can better understand what you say. Maybe they should have stayed home and let Hitler rule Europe to avoid civilian casualties.
Also, show us pics with the liberated political prisoners from the Iraqi jails, awaiting execution.
Also, show us pics with the executed people by the Iraqi regime during this war because they chose not to fight for anyone in this war.
And also, if you don't mind, settle in North Korea or Cuba, protest against the injustice there and go to prison awaiting execution, and before getting brainwashed or executed, let us know if you prefer to be liberated or you care more for a few innocent civilians that inevitably get killed or wounded in such conflicts.
If you don't know what is life under a totalitarian regime, where you can't say anything, then you don't have the exact value of freedom, that you take for granted but which for many in this world it is not available.
LOL!!
-Why would i want to Dig around and find you all sorts of pics,
when I dont even know why you want to see them?
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-Hitler invaded poland and many other countries in an attempt to take control of the world.
Is Saddam a threat to the world?
Did he invade a independant nation, Bomb the shit out of it for
13 years straight, poison the water supply resulting in 2 million deaths. Like the US has done Just on Iraq.. Never mind the Dozens of other countries.
Sounds like the Secret Govt controlling the White house is more of a threat.
Please explain what your point is anyway.Last edited by Massivecock; 04-15-2003, 04:38 AM.Comment
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Yes. I am supremely enlightened.Originally posted by Joe Sixpack
Because I disagree with you?
Whatever.
Anyone who advocates state run ANYTHING is either a) completely ignorant b) is themselves a politician or other social parasite c) an idiot.
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Originally posted by High Quality
Yes. I am supremely enlightened.
Anyone who advocates state run ANYTHING is either a) completely ignorant b) is themselves a politician or other social parasite c) an idiot.
hehe...
Consolidation of power in the state = Tyranny and or Slavery,
or the Beginning of, at the very least.Comment
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Indeed.Originally posted by Massivecock
hehe...
Consolidation of power in the state = Tyranny and or Slavery,
or the Beginning of, at the very least.
I think the most glaring fact of the matter was actually post gulf war (1) with the oil fires.
A 2 year contract was given to the lowest bidder to put them out.
This was the government estimate.
Private business put them out just shy of 7 months. Saving Billions of USD.
Betcha a government run operation woulda taken 3 years!
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Yes, Saddam did invade an independent nation. That's how all this started in 1991. Maybe there is a government conspiracy and the US and Kuwaitis lied.Originally posted by Massivecock
Did he invade a independant nation, Bomb the shit out of it for 13 years straight, poison the water supply resulting in 2 million deaths.
The US, UK, France, Turkey, Saudi Arabia and Kuwait bombing Iraq for 13 years straight has helped keep it from happening again.
[Turkey, Saudi Arabia, and Kuwait supported the no-fly zones by permitting planes to use their bases for bombing. The no-fly zones were established by US, UK, and France.]
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Didn't you pay attention in Political Science 101?Originally posted by Massivecock
Consolidation of power in the state = Tyranny and or Slavery, or the Beginning of, at the very least.
"Where law ends, tyranny begins"
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Actually I think it was the Un, Usa imposed sanctions for the last 12 years that there to prevent them from trying it.Originally posted by Colin
Yes, Saddam did invade an independent nation. That's how all this started in 1991. Maybe there is a government conspiracy and the US and Kuwaitis lied.
The US, UK, France, Turkey, Saudi Arabia and Kuwait bombing Iraq for 13 years straight has helped keep it from happening again.
[Turkey, Saudi Arabia, and Kuwait supported the no-fly zones by permitting planes to use their bases for bombing. The no-fly zones were established by US, UK, and France.]
Yes the Usa did trick Iraq in invading Kuwait, then punished them for it.
The sanctions are so bad that some hospital cannot even get toilet paper.
Did I mention the water supply was poisoned.
In case i didnt mention over 2 million iraqi CITIZENS dided as a result of the Un/USA sanctions.
Over 15,000 kids a month.
That My friend is Genocide!Comment
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My point is that you, living in a free country, don't seem to understand how it is to live under a ruthless dictator killing people at will. You care for a few hundred civilians being killed or wounded while millions craving for freedom and life in a larger prison called Iraq, North Korea, etc. are denied the freedom of speech that you have now. That's why you should live in a ruthless dictatorship to get an insight of the hell these people live in.Originally posted by Massivecock
Please explain what your point is anyway.
It takes some casualties to liberate a country, nobody wants to injury civilians, but this happens.
It's a military concept that you can consider a number of casualties if you spare the life of more people.
What is Saddam's threat to the world, you ask?
First, any dictator is a threat to his own nation.
Second, Saddam was a threat to its neighbors. He had two local wars, increased military power, and if you say that a lunatic like him can be allowed to affect other people's lives, then ... what else can I say?
Btw, there were Kuwaiti POWs from the first Gulf War liberated on this occasion. And you forget the thousands of people he killed during his rule, or after the uprising of Shiia Iraqi citizens in the south in 1991 (denied freedom of speech that you have for granted), or that he could have killed in the future.
If you insist that it was better to let Saddam rule 26 or so million Iraqis for the price of several hundreds casualties, I have nothing more to add, I rest my case.Last edited by Cash; 04-15-2003, 05:02 AM.$9.95/month for 15000 GB bandwidth monthly, unlimited (sub)domains and MySQL5, PHP4/5, 500 GB disk storage! ; use any of these invitation codes: 216263692101; 408636009193; 846090586647; my ICQ 30160426!Comment
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Originally posted by Colin
Didn't you pay attention in Political Science 101?
"Where law ends, tyranny begins"
Right. Law prevents tyranny.
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I think this is an oxymoron.Originally posted by Cash
My point is that you, living in a free country,
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I said taxpayer funded. I never suggested the state run everything.Originally posted by High Quality
Yes. I am supremely enlightened.
Anyone who advocates state run ANYTHING is either a) completely ignorant b) is themselves a politician or other social parasite c) an idiot.
The vast majority of people here in Australia would dispose of ANY government that even contemplated getting rid of our universal healthcare... even though its not perfect.
I do think the state should run the public education system. I think teachers should be paid more and the educational standards needed to become a teacher set higher.Comment
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Go Check your dictionary bro..Originally posted by Colin
Didn't you pay attention in Political Science 101?
"Where law ends, tyranny begins"
Im not interested in Politics.
Im interested in "Statesmanship"
Politician - One who seeks personal or partisan gain, often by scheming and maneuvering: ?Mothers may still want their favorite sons to grow up to be President, but... they do not want them to become politicians in the process?
Statesman - One who puts country before his personal interests, who centres all development on the people and who is incorruptible and honest with no lying whatsoever.
We have Tryanny its called
-Taxes
-IRS
-Current Court system of Law
-Patriot act Part I and II
-Nation Security Act
-Government Controlled Media
I gave you 6 examples we live in.Comment
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We what about the 1000's Bush had killed underneath his current run?Originally posted by Cash
My point is that you, living in a free country, don't seem to understand how it is to live under a ruthless dictator killing people at will. You care for a few hundred civilians being killed or wounded while millions craving for freedom and life in a larger prison called Iraq, North Korea, etc. are denied the freedom of speech that you have now. That's why you should live in a ruthless dictatorship to get an insight of the hell these people live in.
It takes some casualties to liberate a country, nobody wants to injury civilians, but this happens.
It's a military concept that you can consider a number of casualties if you spare the life of more people.
What is Saddam's threat to the world, you ask?
First, any dictator is a threat to his own nation.
Second, Saddam was a threat to its neighbors. He had two local wars, increased military power, and if you say that a lunatic like him can be allowed to affect other people's lives, then ... what else can I say?
Btw, there were Kuwaiti POWs from the first Gulf War liberated on this occasion. And you forget the thousands of people he killed during his rule, or after the uprising of Shiia Iraqi citizens in the south in 1991 (denied freedom of speech that you have for granted), or that he could have killed in the future.
If you insist that it was better to let Saddam rule 26 or so million Iraqis for the price of several hundreds casualties, I have nothing more to add, I rest my case.
9-11 he help carry out.
In fact 400 families have a class action law suit against him and five other senior branch members for not only knowing but carrying it out!
http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...ght=experiment
Read this thread.
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Who should determine the Education cirriculum, What gets taught?Originally posted by Joe Sixpack
I said taxpayer funded. I never suggested the state run everything.
The vast majority of people here in Australia would dispose of ANY government that even contemplated getting rid of our universal healthcare... even though its not perfect.
I do think the state should run the public education system. I think teachers should be paid more and the educational standards needed to become a teacher set higher.
The State?
How can you trust the info that they will be giving the masses of kids?Comment
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So you think the UN sanctions were a greater deterrent to another Saddam invasion ofOriginally posted by Massivecock
Actually I think it was the Un, Usa imposed sanctions for the last 12 years that there to prevent them from trying it.
"an independent nation" than thousands of sorties flown by F-15s, F-18s and Tornadoes?
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We'll when 15,000 kids a month are dying because of the sanctions.Originally posted by Colin
So you think the UN sanctions were a greater deterrant to another Saddam invasion of
"an independent nation" than thousands of sorties flown by F-15s, F-18s and Tornadoes?
I think that might do the job!
GENOCIDE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
HELLO!!!
This getting through to you..
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Hilter did it..
Jews crying about it everyday.
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USA does it..
No one gives a fuck!!
AAAHH!!!!Comment
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... either way you put it, this is not a liberation, this is a occupation.Comment
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BRAVO!..Originally posted by funkmaster
... either way you put it, this is not a liberation, this is a occupation.
Finally someone with a objective viewpoint.Comment
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By definition, tyrannical states have leaders that are not subservient to the law. When leaders are not bound by constitutions, laws, etc. there is tyranny. Hence, "where law ends, tyranny begins"Originally posted by High Quality
Right. Law prevents tyranny.
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Certainly not representatives of any particular government. I think the curriculum should be determined by appropriately qualified people who are experts in their field and should not be influenced by the government of the time. They just have to fund the system.Originally posted by Massivecock
Who should determine the Education cirriculum, What gets taught?
The State?
How can you trust the info that they will be giving the masses of kids?
Every child in entitled to an eduction, irreespective of their parents income. That's what equality of opportunity is all about.
I am more distrustful of religious schools that promote their narrow theistic agenda.Comment
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Ah! That tried and true tradition of proclaiming one's viewpoints as objective and that of all others as being subjective.Originally posted by Massivecock
BRAVO!..
Finally someone with a objective viewpoint.
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... yes, and it´s so fucking obvious, but I am not saying it´s a bad thing for my own security. I am kinda shocked about the pictures myself, but I honestly believe that this will make my life more secure.Comment
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LOL!!Originally posted by Colin
Ah! That tried and true tradition of proclaiming one's viewpoints as objective and that of all others as being subjective.
I see your point..
I stand corrected..
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