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all i ever addressed what the gfy redirection. i already said i think img src is something that should not be going on. especially when it's illegal.Originally posted by qualitythumbs
lmao
Okay so you agree that img screening is illegal?
Okay lets stop there...
Say your site is hosted on supercoolservers.com and a cheater is hosted on that same server...
So it would be okay for thehun to img screen the cheaters site and put your site offline?
We have really focussed on the point of it effecting GFY...Lets backup and actually talk about the actual legality and the actual image screening part and the effects on other people even if the cheater doesn't redirect traffic...
Now what?
Jonwe'll miss you our friend. RIPComment
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Okay lets stop addressing the GFY redirection...Originally posted by quiet
all i ever addressed what the gfy redirection. i already said i think img src is something that should not be going on. especially when it's illegal.
Now we actually agree on something...
Thehun should stop this bullshit child like behaviour and stop the network attacks using image screening...
Okay I'm satisfied now
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My point is to deal with the the problem at it's source. The source is in the hun's index.html.Originally posted by quiet
if that's an argument, i've missed it.
i say file charges against the toliet and the water.
I think I remember you posting stats that were around $3 Mil/year. What percentage of that comes from the very same index.html page that is causing all the problems around here?
10% = ~$300K/year
20% = ~$600K/year
30% = ~$900K/year
40% = ~$1.2 Mil/year
50% = ~$1.5 Mil/year
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Ok, here we go again...
I agree with some points in this thread: both attacks was wrong... agreed on that, but...
If someone shows absolute disrespect for my site by submitting a gallery, waiting to get accepted and then, deliberately waiting till the gallery is listed, tries pathetically to get a dialer loading on his gallery I get pissed off. Simple as that. And for the record: I'm not talking about a first time offender and I'm not talking about a dialer that asks you if it can dial... we're talking about pure theft to the user here...
I can 'just delete' the gallery, indeed... And most of the time that's indeed the best solution and the solution I choose as well, but there's a limit. This person did this more often. So I showed him the consequences of his actions... There have been threads about this before: it's impossible to go after a Russian guy (this guy was Russian) who added a console with lawyers and lawsuits. It just is impossible at the time. So, I should just let these guys ruin my bread and butter? Nah, I don't think so...
Oh, for the record:
I didn't DDOS anybody... that would be illegal.DDOS attacks are caused by machines on the internet that have been compromised by hackers. These machines are then used to flood other networks or websites with packets designed to destroy connectivity. Each of these machines has an operating system, a router, and other pieces of hardware that connect it to the internet. These software and hardware systems should be configured to prevent or mitigate the ability of the machines behind it to participate in DDOS attacks. Unfortunately, by default, these systems are often left wide-open.
This guy however turns around and uses my traffic to attack a page that has NOTHING to do with the whole issue. Why? To get attention probably... And that seemed to have worked. This guy attacked GFY. For no reason. adult.com had NOTHING to do with this... Still this person decided to drag them in to this...
I always refused to go to member submitter only just because the mere fact that fresh webmasters can submit to my site keep the site interesting... I don't want to post the same kind of galleries too often. It has to vary, that has always been the strength of my page I think... And I will keep the submissions open for as long as I can, but it seems there are a few people out there that want to screw things up for everybody else. It's a pity, but apparently some people can't cope with freedom and need a police to watch over their shoulders to play things straight... sad really...Comment
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how much do you make with pay counter? what percentage of your income comes from the sites that use it?Originally posted by KC
My point is to deal with the the problem at it's source. The source is in the hun's index.html.
I think I remember you posting stats that were around $3 Mil/year. What percentage of that comes from the very same index.html page that is causing all the problems around here?
10% = ~$300K/year
20% = ~$600K/year
30% = ~$900K/year
40% = ~$1.2 Mil/year
50% = ~$1.5 Mil/yearwe'll miss you our friend. RIPComment
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WTF does that matter? As someone in business to provide customers with a service I would side with TheHun before the fucking cheater redirecting his traffic to gfy. He cheated and he got caught, it's all part of the game. They purposely sent the traffic to gfy. I don't do business with thehun in the least so what is your bullshit arguement against me?Originally posted by KC
My point is to deal with the the problem at it's source. The source is in the hun's index.html.
I think I remember you posting stats that were around $3 Mil/year. What percentage of that comes from the very same index.html page that is causing all the problems around here?
10% = ~$300K/year
20% = ~$600K/year
30% = ~$900K/year
40% = ~$1.2 Mil/year
50% = ~$1.5 Mil/year
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Hun, excuse the dumb question:
You know that this particular guy has been cheating several times on his listed galleries with dialers... can't you spot those cheaters and simply don't list their galleries?
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I <3 The Hun
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I have 10 domains with emails on each. I also use a couple of different servers and IP's and I can easily make up a name.Originally posted by Equinox
Hun, excuse the dumb question:
You know that this particualr guy has been cheating several times on his listed galleries with dialers... can't you spot those cheaters and simply don't list their galleries?
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"I try to make a habit of bouncing my eyes up to the face of a beautiful woman, and often repeat “not mine” in my head or even verbally. She’s not mine. God has her set aside. She’s not mine. She’s His little girl, and she needs me to fight for her by keeping my eyes where they should be."Comment
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I mean, there has to be a certain pattern - otherwise you wouldn't know that it's the same guy over again...Comment
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You're right Ron... Thanks for the reminder... It's wrong to launch attacks... but sometimes the means are more important... Not that my case is even closely comparable in size to some international issues: it's illegal to bomb people... Still there's a war going on right now... It's a much larger scale, but I'm not bombing with bombs... If Iraq would be able to catch the bobs before they hit the ground and then throw that to Greece, would the US be responsible then? Don't think so...Originally posted by Ron2k1
If I had a big house, a ferrari, a wife, 2 children millions of dollars and the biggest porn site in history,
I would never punish some stupid cheater by img srcing him... I would just laugh at the cheater and delete him
Some problems have to be fought with stong measures...Comment
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Originally posted by The Hun
I didn't DDOS anybody... that would be illegal.
Your right...You didn't dos anyone...
You did however innitiate a network attack...You attacked the other networks server by sending a call to their server everytime a surfer loaded your site...
Which is illegal...
Get better security on your gallery accepting and monitoring the galleries listed at your site instead of resorting to network attacks...
Like I have said to you before...You never just effect the cheater...You know that as well as I do...You effect everyone hosted on that server as well as normally effecting others on the same network...
Its bullshit that you feel you can pull this shit
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If a stupid newb that hosts on the same server as you at supercoolservers.com gets listed on the hun with unoptimized images and the simple fact that he gets mad traffic blows your server would you like it? Who would you sue then? Thehun provided the traffic but stupid newb asked for it. The fucking cheater got what was coming to him and he decided to be a fuckwit and forward it. Nothing more.Originally posted by qualitythumbs
lmao
Okay so you agree that img screening is illegal?
Okay lets stop there...
Say your site is hosted on supercoolservers.com and a cheater is hosted on that same server...
So it would be okay for thehun to img screen the cheaters site and put your site offline?
We have really focussed on the point of it effecting GFY...Lets backup and actually talk about the actual legality and the actual image screening part and the effects on other people even if the cheater doesn't redirect traffic...
Now what?
Jon
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Problem is Jon, that autoinstalling dialers on people's machines is also illegal... this guy redirected traffic to a party that had nothing to so with this (GFY). If the one that did the first illegal thing is responsible then it's still that guy... not me... even by your standards...Originally posted by qualitythumbs
All you fucken people can reword this and think of ways to compare this to other things all you want...
But the fact remains that thehun's bullshit network attacks have got to stop...
It is illegal...
His servers are in the USA...Who cares if he is in the netherlands...
He has seen countless times his image screens backfire...But he does not care...This is NOT the first time its happened...
Okay continue on making excuses...
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what type of servers run the GFY forum?Comment
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Jesus people, if you don't fucking like what he's doing, sue him and stop crying about it like it was your job.Comment
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The Hun should change his nick to The Hu******.Comment
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Thanks Patrick for removing the img src, please do the same on the archive pages.
Post your home phone number on GFY so we won't have to take moredrastic actions in the future!Comment
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Originally posted by The Hun
Problem is Jon, that autoinstalling dialers on people's machines is also illegal... this guy redirected traffic to a party that had nothing to so with this (GFY). If the one that did the first illegal thing is responsible then it's still that guy... not me... even by your standards...
Good point...But I also said it was both partys responsibility...
So going by my standards...You would be just as guilty as him...
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Originally posted by Lensman
Thanks Patrick for removing the img src, please do the same on the archive pages.
Post your home phone number on GFY so we won't have to take moredrastic actions in the future!
Get my email?
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It's more complicated than then. I don't just hotlink people (which is the right description for what happened here) for the heck of it. We're talking about someone who installed 8 dollar auto-dialers on people's machines... In these cases I try to put an end to things before my visitors get infected with this (illegal) bullshit...Originally posted by qualitythumbs
Your right...You didn't dos anyone...
You did however innitiate a network attack...You attacked the other networks server by sending a call to their server everytime a surfer loaded your site...
Which is illegal...
Get better security on your gallery accepting and monitoring the galleries listed at your site instead of resorting to network attacks...
Like I have said to you before...You never just effect the cheater...You know that as well as I do...You effect everyone hosted on that server as well as normally effecting others on the same network...
Its bullshit that you feel you can pull this shit
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I'm guilty of bringing that guy's server down, yes. I'm not guilty of launching an attack on GFY...Originally posted by qualitythumbs
Good point...But I also said it was both partys responsibility...
So going by my standards...You would be just as guilty as him...
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nope, that doesn't work... lets say someone steals one of your ferrari's... in your ire, you go and steal your neighbors ferrari. is it the guy who stole your car who is at fault for you making off w/ your neighbors? of course not..! thats a ridiculous way to try to justify something like this. if you cant find a way to do illegal attacks towards people you don't like that doesn't effect others, then you just shouldn't be doing it..Problem is Jon, that autoinstalling dialers on people's machines is also illegal... this guy redirected traffic to a party that had nothing to so with this (GFY). If the one that did the first illegal thing is responsible then it's still that guy... not me... even by your standards...
...promise her a defamation, tell her where the rain will fall..Comment
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and the only way you can stop him trying to cheat you and your surfers is this? why not just remove the page..?In these cases I try to put an end to things before my visitors get infected with this (illegal) bullshit......promise her a defamation, tell her where the rain will fall..Comment
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The Hun has done it before and the Hun will probably do it again. The Hun is about the Hun and does not care that what he does affects others.When you're running down my country hoss...you're walking on the fighting side of me!
FOR THE LYING LOWLIFE POSTING AS PATHFINDER...http://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-pr...athfinder.htmlComment
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But if you would have never illegally attacked the cheaters server...GFY would have never been effected?Originally posted by The Hun
I'm guilty of bringing that guy's server down, yes. I'm not guilty of launching an attack on GFY...
Yes I feel for the surfers with the autodialing dialers...Don't get me wrong...I am just looking at it from the point of...Get better security on monitoring the galleries your listing...And quit launching this stupid fucken network attacks...
Do you not notice that they generally turn out hurting someone innocent then the actual cheater?
JonComment
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The servers are located here:Originally posted by foreverjason
what type of servers run the GFY forum?
http://www.surewest.net/products/our...rk/hosting.htmComment
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Where can I get an $8 autodialler??
ICQ: 316365783
<a href="http://www.hostultra.com/~p00p" target="_blank">TEST</a>Comment
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Oh...
The Hun...
For clarification...
DOS Attacks
http://www.cert.org/tech_tips/denial_of_service.html
A "denial-of-service" attack is characterized by an explicit attempt by attackers to prevent legitimate users of a service from using that service. Examples include
attempts to "flood" a network, thereby preventing legitimate network traffic
attempts to disrupt connections between two machines, thereby preventing access to a service
attempts to prevent a particular individual from accessing a service
attempts to disrupt service to a specific system or person
So...In all reality...You did a DOS attack...Just not using traditional methods as in using a hacked server...
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With 70,000 uniques and hour and cache/archives and such that still would put a whole lot of people at risk...Originally posted by chupacabra
and the only way you can stop him trying to cheat you and your surfers is this? why not just remove the page..?
Jon:
... and if that guy would never have added the dialer I would have never looked at his gallery...But if you would have never illegally attacked the cheaters server...GFY would have never been effected?Comment
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If that were the case I wouldn't do it...Do you not notice that they generally turn out hurting someone innocent then the actual cheater?
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The image on this denial of service attack resource page reminds me on the hun?
http://www.denialinfo.com/
Interesting LOL
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Do I need to bring up countless threads up people effected by your bullshit?Originally posted by The Hun
If that were the case I wouldn't do it...
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But why did I do this?Originally posted by qualitythumbs
Oh...
The Hun...
For clarification...
DOS Attacks
http://www.cert.org/tech_tips/denial_of_service.html
A "denial-of-service" attack is characterized by an explicit attempt by attackers to prevent legitimate users of a service from using that service. Examples include
attempts to "flood" a network, thereby preventing legitimate network traffic
attempts to disrupt connections between two machines, thereby preventing access to a service
attempts to prevent a particular individual from accessing a service
attempts to disrupt service to a specific system or person
So...In all reality...You did a DOS attack...Just not using traditional methods as in using a hacked server...
Jon
"attempts to prevent a particular individual from accessing a service"... The FBI trying to shut down a childporn site does just that... I agree, an attack is illegal. So is throwing bombs on a country. But sometimes the means to do it are more important. Especially since all other methods failed...Comment
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sorry, that just doesn't wash as an excuse for what you do... i really don't think you have any way to justify your DOS attacks (and your img src attack *does* in fact constitute a 'denial of service' attack), you cant just point a finger at someone else saying "they made me do it!". your hand isn't being forced here. i get angry all the time at morons, cheaters and frauds online, but i don't feel that gives me an excuse to do anything illegal..With 70,000 uniques and hour and cache/archives and such that still would put a whole lot of people at risk......promise her a defamation, tell her where the rain will fall..Comment
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Freaky.Originally posted by qualitythumbs
The image on this denial of service attack resource page reminds me on the hun?
http://www.denialinfo.com/
Interesting LOL
Jon
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Quit with the bullshit fucken excuses...Originally posted by The Hun
But why did I do this?
"attempts to prevent a particular individual from accessing a service"... The FBI trying to shut down a childporn site does just that... I agree, an attack is illegal. So is throwing bombs on a country. But sometimes the means to do it are more important. Especially since all other methods failed...
You did it...You didn't have to do it...Who cares why you did it...Your intentionally doing something that is illegal...
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uh huh... so, you get to decide when and where the law can be ignored? comparing yourself to the american war machine is a pretty strange analogy..But sometimes the means to do it are more important. Especially since all other methods failed......promise her a defamation, tell her where the rain will fall..Comment
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Do I need to bring up countrless sites that stopped their actions after my bullshit?Originally posted by qualitythumbs
Do I need to bring up countless threads up people effected by your bullshit?
Jon
Jon, let's not get this out of hand. I agree with your points. I understand what you mean. But I am just someone who won't just do nothing if I see dialers installed on people's machines. If I can stop that I will... Everybody will agree that pushing auto-dialers on people is wrong (ok, not everybody ;-), but I do realise that not everybody feels as strongly against something like this as I do...
I am surprised I didn't get jumped on for that comparison with Iraq, but it's basically the same thing (although, and I want that clear, my issue is tiny against what's happening there), but the US is throwing bombs on people... Indeed, innocent people get hurt sometimes. And it's impossible to say anything to talk that right... there's just no way. But in the case of Iraq the people in charge feel the means of the war are SO important that it's worth it...
Now, keep in mind that I didn't attack GFY. Neither did I know GFY would be dragged in to it. Once I heard about that the attack was gone. 'cause that's a side effect that goes too far for me.
Jon, we're not too far off in opinions here...Comment
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I totally understand where your coming from as far as the auto dialers...Originally posted by The Hun
Do I need to bring up countrless sites that stopped their actions after my bullshit?
Jon, let's not get this out of hand. I agree with your points. I understand what you mean. But I am just someone who won't just do nothing if I see dialers installed on people's machines. If I can stop that I will... Everybody will agree that pushing auto-dialers on people is wrong (ok, not everybody ;-), but I do realise that not everybody feels as strongly against something like this as I do...
I am surprised I didn't get jumped on for that comparison with Iraq, but it's basically the same thing (although, and I want that clear, my issue is tiny against what's happening there), but the US is throwing bombs on people... Indeed, innocent people get hurt sometimes. And it's impossible to say anything to talk that right... there's just no way. But in the case of Iraq the people in charge feel the means of the war are SO important that it's worth it...
Now, keep in mind that I didn't attack GFY. Neither did I know GFY would be dragged in to it. Once I heard about that the attack was gone. 'cause that's a side effect that goes too far for me.
Jon, we're not too far off in opinions here...
Don't get me wrong...I just think the way your doing it is totally wrong...
About the shoot ya a email look for it...
But overall...I understand you do it for good not for your own personal gain or just for the hell of it....
But it still effects alot of people...And I don't agree with it
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hun, is performing the attack really the only way you can stop your surfers from having dialers installed? i might be missing something here if it is, and if that is so, i'd love to know what it is i am not comprehending... please elaborate as to why you cannot just remove the offending page from your site, and are forced to perform DOS attacks..?But I am just someone who won't just do nothing if I see dialers installed on people's machines....promise her a defamation, tell her where the rain will fall..Comment
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I didn't say my hands were forced. I don't attack morons, I attack cheaters who numerous times showed to have absolutely no respect for my simple requests set on my own page. In fact, cheaters who obay the rules 'till they're listed and then install 8 dollar auto-dialers. We both agree that that's not something you do...Originally posted by chupacabra
sorry, that just doesn't wash as an excuse for what you do... i really don't think you have any way to justify your DOS attacks (and your img src attack *does* in fact constitute a 'denial of service' attack), you cant just point a finger at someone else saying "they made me do it!". your hand isn't being forced here. i get angry all the time at morons, cheaters and frauds online, but i don't feel that gives me an excuse to do anything illegal..
The ONLY part we differ on here is that I don't sit back and do nothing. Maybe because I come across it more often than you do, I don't know. But I act. I'm not trying to justify anything, I'm trying to explain my point... But it's an endless discussion, I realise thatComment
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Originally posted by The Hun
Do I need to bring up countrless sites that stopped their actions after my bullshit?
Jon, let's not get this out of hand. I agree with your points. I understand what you mean. But I am just someone who won't just do nothing if I see dialers installed on people's machines. If I can stop that I will... Everybody will agree that pushing auto-dialers on people is wrong (ok, not everybody ;-), but I do realise that not everybody feels as strongly against something like this as I do...
I am surprised I didn't get jumped on for that comparison with Iraq, but it's basically the same thing (although, and I want that clear, my issue is tiny against what's happening there), but the US is throwing bombs on people... Indeed, innocent people get hurt sometimes. And it's impossible to say anything to talk that right... there's just no way. But in the case of Iraq the people in charge feel the means of the war are SO important that it's worth it...
Now, keep in mind that I didn't attack GFY. Neither did I know GFY would be dragged in to it. Once I heard about that the attack was gone. 'cause that's a side effect that goes too far for me.
Jon, we're not too far off in opinions here...
the last couple of times you have img'd someone the traffic ended up here..so how many more times will u do it before lendman really gets pissed?Sig heil
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actually, i believe that rarely has img src'ing result in this sort of redirection.Originally posted by toodamnfli
the last couple of times you have img'd someone the traffic ended up here..so how many more times will u do it beofre lendman really gets pissed?
the hun can correct me if i'm wrong...we'll miss you our friend. RIPComment
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hun, i appreciate the fact that your trying to explain things here, i just don't see how you can think your actions are justified when firing up DOS attacks, regardless of the circumstances... again, cant you just remove their pages, block/blacklist their IP ranges, etc.? why does it have to be a DOS attack? especially when you've seen in the past that it can and does affect others, aside from said cheater..?The ONLY part we differ on here is that I don't sit back and do nothing. Maybe because I come across it more often than you do, I don't know. But I act. I'm not trying to justify anything, I'm trying to explain my point... But it's an endless discussion, I realise that...promise her a defamation, tell her where the rain will fall..Comment
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ha..i called him lendmanSig heil
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maybe its just been 2 or 3 threads about this beforeOriginally posted by quiet
actually, i believe that rarely has img src'ing result in this sort of redirection.
the hun can correct me if i'm wrong...Sig heil
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