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A question like this needs more possible answers... one for each person
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Yes that would be me, just to show you how accurate these posts areOriginally posted by punkworld
Btw, if you believe every word in the bible is true, please post here so I can point and laugh in your general direction
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I do... and you can laugh all you want but I know I will be laughing last!
Think whatever you wanna think and do what you wanna do... I don't care... I'm not gonna pretend I'm someone else! I'm loyal to God and the Bible and I will never say I'm not!
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anyone who believes 100% in the bible answer me these
dinasaurs existed millions of yrs ago science proves this why are they not mentioned anywhere in the bible?
heaven and hell concept was based on earth being flat (when bible was wrote this was beliefe) they believed heaven was above and hell was below now we know the earth is round whats your stance?
how in the fuck did noahs ark do it i mean a boat that big held together with no metal straps or nails or bolts just wood that held 2 of everything? and t top it off had a 12 inch hole t breathe for all things on boat then wtf did they do with all the animal shit give me good believable repleis and we will see where we stand
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There are contradictions in the bible.Originally posted by pradaboy
I do... and you can laugh all you want but I know I will be laughing last!
Think whatever you wanna think and do what you wanna do... I don't care... I'm not gonna pretend I'm someone else! I'm loyal to God and the Bible and I will never say I'm not!
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http://www.ffrf.org/lfif/contra.html
So how exactly do you believe in something that contradicts itself? Believing one possibility means not believing the other....
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Do you still believe your sites are reallity based?Do you believe in the bible?Comment
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The bible is a fascinating historical and archaelogical hahahahahahahahahaha. one of the most complete religious texts of it's kind. I believe some things in the bible actually did occur, however, if they actually occured the way or for the reasons laid out there is certainly not going to be completely historically accurate. Many ancient peoples liked to change history somewhat to suit their needs (the Egyptians especially were notorious for this, and there are even stella devoted to victorious battles that never occured or were actually lost, just to make the current Pharaoh look good in history).
I've read the bible somewhere in the range of 10-15 times cover to cover at this point in my life, and sometimes I've found it to be a helpful historical reference in my research. Remember, religion has been used since the beginning of time as a way to help make people behave the way others wanted them to behave. The bible is an excellent moral reference, and it did help guide the people of Israel and can even be somewhat applicable today.
The essential moral truths remain unchanged and are mostly just common sense. Most of the instructions given to the Israelites while they wandered in the desert were sensical too. Burying their excrement. Burning down the houses of lepers (the bacteria that causes leprosy can live in the walls of houses), not eating pork (they couldn't properly cook pork and therefore trichanosis would have been a serious health risk), etc etc. I doubt though they would apply in a way today that would make any sense at all.
As for believing it's the word of god.. well Islam believes the Koran is the word of Allah, and all kinds of texts through history are supposed to have been inspired from divine sources. The question therein lies, where is the divinity? For the majority of people, their divinity is in their hearts. It's not really a stretch then to say that the Bible may be divine inspiration or the word of god to some.
For myself, I look around and the entire world is my "bible". I have to look no further than the wonders around me to know what I truly believe.Comment
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If you are anything more than a "sunday christian", you would not be in the adult industry. No offense, but simply claiming that you are loyal to god and the bible and believe every word of the bible makes you a hypocrite posting it here. The fact of the matter is, if someone is to claim to be a "true christian" in biblical form, they really have no place here. If you don't beleive me, go read your beloved bible and it's ideas on immorality, adultery, loose conduct, profanity, homosexuality, even the mere thought of fornication is said to corrupt a clean mind and can make you guilty. Therefore, simply by POSTING to this board, you are going against all you hold dear.Originally posted by pradaboy
I do... and you can laugh all you want but I know I will be laughing last!
Think whatever you wanna think and do what you wanna do... I don't care... I'm not gonna pretend I'm someone else! I'm loyal to God and the Bible and I will never say I'm not!
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In fact, associating yourself with "worldliness" (the Harlot of Babylon, see Revelation), you are putting your very immortal soul at risk (speaking Biblically of course). I don't really care what anyone says, but if they actually READ AND ADHERE to their bible, simply being here is a mortal sin, and being actively involved in this industry is damnation. This is not a business for "true christians". It's amazing though how many people actually claim to be avid believers in the bible and have never read it through and through. I don't think I could ever stake a claim of belief in something when I was essentially taking someone else's word for it.
I'm not trying to slam christians here, just simply stating the facts as they are laid out in the Christian's own "guide".
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Originally posted by almighty
anyone who believes 100% in the bible answer me these
heaven and hell concept was based on earth being flat (when bible was wrote this was beliefe) they believed heaven was above and hell was below now we know the earth is round whats your stance?
Actually, it's stated in the bible that the world was round, and they knew it then. In Psalms, David speaks of god looking over the "sphere of the earth". The belief of "hell" is actually a common misconception too. The word used in the bible where the word hell is used is "sheol" in the original translations. Gehenna, the burning, the fire and brimstone was an actual place. The people would throw their refuse over the walls of the city into a pile of continually burning rubbish, that was stocked with brimstone in order to keep it burning. The literal translation of the word "sheol" was a pit in the ground. It had nothing to do with a burning afterlife. Hades, the greek translation of the word "sheol" was actually not an exact or literal translation. If you check back to the original manuscripts or the more accurate translations available, as well as reference manuals contemporary to the period, you will see that I am correct.
What exactly do you think the ancients MADE huge boats from? It's a well known fact that many biblical and contemporary peoples were accomplished mariners and used large boats in order to travel. There ARE ways to build boats without metal straps, nails, or boats. Ask people who still live in the medeterranian today and I'm sure they would be glad to fill you in. Or is the archeological evidence that people DID have large-scale seaworthy vessels thousands of years ago not convincing enough for you? I'm not saying I believe the ark story happened as it said, but the possibility of building such a vessel is most certainly not a doubtful one. If you're going to attempt to disprove biblical events, perhaps you should try a little more research of your own. Many biblical events HAVE a place in fact and archaeology proves this. As I've said before though, the events do not always occur HOW or WHY it claims they did, and some surely are flights of religous fancy.
how in the fuck did noahs ark do it i mean a boat that big held together with no metal straps or nails or bolts just wood that held 2 of everything? and t top it off had a 12 inch hole t breathe for all things on boat then wtf did they do with all the animal shitLast edited by LadyMischief; 01-03-2004, 06:24 AM.Comment
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I agree with you on most of the things you wrote, but I wouldn't call the moral aspects of the bible "moral truths". Moral commonplaces would probably be more suitable.Originally posted by LadyMischief
The essential moral truths remain unchanged and are mostly just common sense. Most of the instructions given to the Israelites while they wandered in the desert were sensical too. Burying their excrement. Burning down the houses of lepers (the bacteria that causes leprosy can live in the walls of houses), not eating pork (they couldn't properly cook pork and therefore trichanosis would have been a serious health risk), etc etc. I doubt though they would apply in a way today that would make any sense at all.
If you look at morality rationally it's pretty much a cultural aspect not unlike most others. The reason we see the morality largely the same as what's written in the bible is twofold.
First of all, we were born and raised in a culture largely based on christianity, so obviously we will tend to agree with most of it.
Secondly, many morals are almost universal among cultures - not because they are "true", but because they are practical for a culture. For instance "thou shalt not kill" (which is mostly about people within the same community, as can be seen by other quotes in the bible) is simply essential to the survival of a culture. A culture which does not condemn and punish it's members if they kill eachother will disappear quite rapidly.
The reason that that's in the bible is not that it's a moral truth, but that it's a moral commonplace. Any not entirely unsuccesful culture which would have written down it's rules would have come up with largely the same ideas.
What makes the bible so powerful is that it takes these rules from the realm of the subjective (that is, created or agreed upon by humans) to the realm of the absolute and objective (that is, laid down by a supreme being). This makes it easier to enforce them by giving them a much stronger justification, and hahahahahas them way deeper into the cultural consciousness than any law ever could.
Still, it does not make them real, objective, absolute truths
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I was refering more to things that are absolute logic in any society, such as you mentioned the "Thou shalt not kill" etcOriginally posted by punkworld
I agree with you on most of the things you wrote, but I wouldn't call the moral aspects of the bible "moral truths". Moral commonplaces would probably be more suitable.
If you look at morality rationally it's pretty much a cultural aspect not unlike most others. The reason we see the morality largely the same as what's written in the bible is twofold.
First of all, we were born and raised in a culture largely based on christianity, so obviously we will tend to agree with most of it.
Secondly, many morals are almost universal among cultures - not because they are "true", but because they are practical for a culture. For instance "thou shalt not kill" (which is mostly about people within the same community, as can be seen by other quotes in the bible) is simply essential to the survival of a culture. A culture which does not condemn and punish it's members if they kill eachother will disappear quite rapidly.
The reason that that's in the bible is not that it's a moral truth, but that it's a moral commonplace. Any not entirely unsuccesful culture which would have written down it's rules would have come up with largely the same ideas.
What makes the bible so powerful is that it takes these rules from the realm of the subjective (that is, created or agreed upon by humans) to the realm of the absolute and objective (that is, laid down by a supreme being). This makes it easier to enforce them by giving them a much stronger justification, and hahahahahas them way deeper into the cultural consciousness than any law ever could.
Still, it does not make them real, objective, absolute truths
Any moralistic person unafflicted by things like sociopathic personalities would likely agree in the logic of this kind of thing.
Religion is a very good way of teaching the "uneducated masses" and always has been, as you say, it ensures that the morals and values that are essential in societal living are deeply ingrained into their minds.Comment
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The size of the arc as described in the bible is impossible for a wooden vessel. It would be a fair bit over the maximum size such a vessel can have before breaking in two by itself. Saw that on DiscoveryOriginally posted by LadyMischief
What exactly do you think the ancients MADE huge boats from? It's a well known fact that many biblical and contemporary peoples were accomplished mariners and used large boats in order to travel. There ARE ways to build boats without metal straps, nails, or boats. Ask people who still live in the medeterranian today and I'm sure they would be glad to fill you in. Or is the archeological evidence that people DID have large-scale seaworthy vessels thousands of years ago not convincing enough for you? I'm not saying I believe the ark story happened as it said, but the possibility of building such a vessel is most certainly not a doubtful one. If you're going to attempt to disprove biblical events, perhaps you should try a little more research of your own. Many biblical events HAVE a place in fact and archaeology proves this. As I've said before though, the events do not always occur HOW or WHY it claims they did, and some surely are flights of religous fancy.
The idea of a big flood is not at all impossible or even unlikely, but the idea of a flood as big as described in the bible is. Apart from the fact that as far as I know no respected geologists have found any evidence of something like that happening, the amount of water that would have to be involved also leads to severe problems in the theory.
I think it is pretty safe to say that a flood happened, and it was exaggerated in the bible. Ofcourse, the stuff about a big boat preserving humanity is just an exaggeration of an existing concept (boats) applied within the exaggerated tale./(bb|[^b]{2})/Comment
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The funny thing is that the bible is just a book. It couldve been any book. I mean, there were tons of people writing what they saw, thought, believed. the bible was lucky enough to got picked up by a lot of people and now is an statement. But can you imagine if it was another book or religion, millions upon millions of people who now so believe in Jesus would be believing in something/someone else. Maybe in Peter or Oscar or the god Guybrush.
They now would stand up for Guybrush and everytime something good or bad happens in their life they would say "its how Guybrush wants it"
Maybe Guybrush was the one who popped the earth out of his ass and all the people who now talk about Adam and Eve would get angry when you tell them about dinosaurs and claim "you silly non believer, Guybrush farted and the earth was created"
Just like everything else non explainable people tend to believe in it because it comforts them...its a beautiful thing for them.
If the bible was a dirty, angry and evil book nobody would believe in Moses, Jesus etc...it would scare them.
Uh what im trying to say is a lot of people are simply plain stupid or huge hypocrites who fear exposing their own lies to themselves.Comment
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Well, the only thing really missing from it is logic actuallyOriginally posted by LadyMischief
I was refering more to things that are absolute logic in any society, such as you mentioned the "Thou shalt not kill" etc Any moralistic person unafflicted by things like sociopathic personalities would likely agree in the logic of this kind of thing.
Religion is a very good way of teaching the "uneducated masses" and always has been, as you say, it ensures that the morals and values that are essential in societal living are deeply ingrained into their minds. The basis for this type of moral imperative is not so much purely logical rationality, as it is pragmatic rationality. Ofcourse, that is based on the premise that there is no objective morality anyway, and that morality is comprised by an arbitrary set of guidelines that are mainly of pragmatic value. Then again, that's the only theory that makes sense scientifically and doesn't rely on a very speculative metaphycics.
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Hey punkworld, you are Dutch...why is your english way better than mine and the rest of Holland?Comment
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Is it? I never noticed that myself, to be honest.Originally posted by Battuss
Hey punkworld, you are Dutch...why is your english way better than mine and the rest of Holland?/(bb|[^b]{2})/Comment
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Well , i noticed it before, youre better is way better than the average Dutchie...any reason for that?Originally posted by punkworld
Is it? I never noticed that myself, to be honest.Comment
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Yes but he's essentially saying that construction of large vessels was impossible then, which it was not. The ark itself in the way it's described in the bible may not be possible, but as with many things in history, the liklihood of exaggeration is extreme.Originally posted by punkworld
The size of the arc as described in the bible is impossible for a wooden vessel. It would be a fair bit over the maximum size such a vessel can have before breaking in two by itself. Saw that on Discovery
The idea of a big flood is not at all impossible or even unlikely, but the idea of a flood as big as described in the bible is. Apart from the fact that as far as I know no respected geologists have found any evidence of something like that happening, the amount of water that would have to be involved also leads to severe problems in the theory.
I think it is pretty safe to say that a flood happened, and it was exaggerated in the bible. Ofcourse, the stuff about a big boat preserving humanity is just an exaggeration of an existing concept (boats) applied within the exaggerated tale.
We're in agreement there
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In a productive society, it is LOGICAL not to upset that society by killing off potentially productive members, illiciting emotional responses from members, etc. Morals to some extent are based on logic, as far as humanity is concerned. Existance of any species is not furthered by killing it off. This is another arguement altogether thoughOriginally posted by punkworld
Well, the only thing really missing from it is logic actually The basis for this type of moral imperative is not so much purely logical rationality, as it is pragmatic rationality. Ofcourse, that is based on the premise that there is no objective morality anyway, and that morality is comprised by an arbitrary set of guidelines that are mainly of pragmatic value. Then again, that's the only theory that makes sense scientifically and doesn't rely on a very speculative metaphycics.
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I believe in a God, but not in the bible
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When I was like 10-12, I'd walk to chruch on my own accord every Sunday. My parents were'nt religious, so I had to go alone. The more and more I learned from it, the less and less I started doubting it all. So many contradictions, and things I felt were not or could not be true/right.
After that I believe we all started when a meteor struck the earth carrying with it some sort of simple single celled life form. Thus starting our evolution.Comment
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What no option for those of us who believe in all the gods to be on the safe side? Siiiiiiiiiiiigh
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It's all about interpretation, too. It's very easy to take any passage from the bible out of context and twist it to mean whatever one wishes. I have yet to see a religion that takes the book as a whole, within context to attempt to find the meaning. All I see is then nitpicking snippets and using them to club people over the head with their own ideas.Originally posted by nathan_f
When I was like 10-12, I'd walk to chruch on my own accord every Sunday. My parents were'nt religious, so I had to go alone. The more and more I learned from it, the less and less I started doubting it all. So many contradictions, and things I felt were not or could not be true/right.
After that I believe we all started when a meteor struck the earth carrying with it some sort of simple single celled life form. Thus starting our evolution.Comment
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Fooorrrnnnniiiccccaaaatttooorrrr!!!Originally posted by pradaboy
I do... and you can laugh all you want but I know I will be laughing last!
Think whatever you wanna think and do what you wanna do... I don't care... I'm not gonna pretend I'm someone else! I'm loyal to God and the Bible and I will never say I'm not!
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Yes! Evil sinner!!Originally posted by QualityMpegs
Fooorrrnnnniiiccccaaaatttooorrrr!!!Comment
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The very concept of valuing a productive society is not logical. Logic is used in morality to derive complex values from basic values, but the basic values themselves cannot be justified logically. Humanity uses rationality as a method to pursue irrational goals.Originally posted by LadyMischief
In a productive society, it is LOGICAL not to upset that society by killing off potentially productive members, illiciting emotional responses from members, etc. Morals to some extent are based on logic, as far as humanity is concerned. Existance of any species is not furthered by killing it off. This is another arguement altogether though
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Lots of reading, probably.Originally posted by Battuss
Well , i noticed it before, youre better is way better than the average Dutchie...any reason for that?/(bb|[^b]{2})/Comment
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A large problem is that too many readers of the bible use today's definitions with some words that meant something totally different back then..
Another is that too many readers try to use certain books of the bible as some sort of predictor.. such as the book of Revelations.. trying to tie it to today's events...
That book is nothing more than the story of the fall of the Roman empire.. Even the number 666 that so many believe to be that of someone yet to appear, is being used incorrectly to support such a belief..
When using these numbers as they were used back then in conjunction with letters, 666 = Nero Ceasar..
Earlier manuscripts also referred to Mary as almah.. not virgin.. Almah=young woman, woman of marrying age.. The 'virgin' part was a mere assumption and was changed to that term as time passed.
Earlier writings also mentioned a woman named Lillith, that was around before Eve, and had dealings with Adam..
Soo.. it's hard to say what parts of the bibles of today are accurate, and to what extent..Comment
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Like science? :POriginally posted by punkworld
The very concept of valuing a productive society is not logical. Logic is used in morality to derive complex values from basic values, but the basic values themselves cannot be justified logically. Humanity uses rationality as a method to pursue irrational goals.Comment
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Originally posted by punkworld
Btw, if you believe every word in the bible is true, please post here so I can point and laugh in your general direction
GOOD MAN!Sig was always too big...Comment
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Well, no entirely. Although parts of science fall within the realms of logic and rationality, irrational factors most certainly play a large - if not dominant - role in it.Originally posted by LadyMischief
Like science? :P
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Almost everything stated there is OT, why do you thin it was called OT and there appeared a NT? DUH!Originally posted by punkworld
There are contradictions in the bible.
http://www.ffrf.org/lfif/contra.html
So how exactly do you believe in something that contradicts itself? Believing one possibility means not believing the other....
The most important thing to remember (as stated several times in NT) there is no sin that cannot be forgiven!
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I understand your sceptisism of course, but if you think about it... where better to spread the word than in the uttermost repulsive place in the universe???Originally posted by LadyMischief
If you are anything more than a "sunday christian", you would not be in the adult industry. No offense, but simply claiming that you are loyal to god and the bible and believe every word of the bible makes you a hypocrite posting it here. The fact of the matter is, if someone is to claim to be a "true christian" in biblical form, they really have no place here. If you don't beleive me, go read your beloved bible and it's ideas on immorality, adultery, loose conduct, profanity, homosexuality, even the mere thought of fornication is said to corrupt a clean mind and can make you guilty. Therefore, simply by POSTING to this board, you are going against all you hold dear.
In fact, associating yourself with "worldliness" (the Harlot of Babylon, see Revelation), you are putting your very immortal soul at risk (speaking Biblically of course). I don't really care what anyone says, but if they actually READ AND ADHERE to their bible, simply being here is a mortal sin, and being actively involved in this industry is damnation. This is not a business for "true christians". It's amazing though how many people actually claim to be avid believers in the bible and have never read it through and through. I don't think I could ever stake a claim of belief in something when I was essentially taking someone else's word for it.
I'm not trying to slam christians here, just simply stating the facts as they are laid out in the Christian's own "guide".
Nah just kiddin'... to be true, I need to make a living too don't I? I've tried a lot of things but most biz are with a "stab-someone-in-the-back" mentality... I've found the adult biz is not like this (with GFY as exception clearly).
As said above, Jesus died for us to make sure all our sins would be forgiven... don't talk to me about reading the Bible coz I do so daily... every day again!
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Why, yes Sir, I do. Very much.
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You need an option that says "I believe the bible may be a representation of some historical events and nothing else".I'm waiting for the Mr Fushion Fleshlight so I can wank my way back to the future!Comment
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hmmm... evolution, such a evil word...Originally posted by nathan_f
When I was like 10-12, I'd walk to chruch on my own accord every Sunday. My parents were'nt religious, so I had to go alone. The more and more I learned from it, the less and less I started doubting it all. So many contradictions, and things I felt were not or could not be true/right.
After that I believe we all started when a meteor struck the earth carrying with it some sort of simple single celled life form. Thus starting our evolution.
lemme ask you, if all life came from one cell... where did the cell come from? from the meteor? allright, where did the meteor come from... I can go on and on and on till there's no answer...
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well, i guess its up to us, if we are goin to believe or not... all I know is that there is someone UP THERE.. watching us... and I know I owe my life to HIMComment
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I don't believe in fairy tales, no.Comment
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I'm not American but I also don't believe in the bible ;)
But in fact you can't analyze the whole situation.... this thread will show you if AWMs believe in the bible.... not the whole american population. I think that results differs a lot...Just a sig
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You should have clicked the link. Then you would have known that I was specifically referring to the remark "I hope the GFY percentage is a little different or else I'm scared." in that thread.Originally posted by Weber
I'm not American but I also don't believe in the bible ;)
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So you're telling me, just because we are not advanced enough yet to know exactly where we came from, and how we got here, that I am supposed to believe a man in the sky created all this?Originally posted by pradaboy
hmmm... evolution, such a evil word...
lemme ask you, if all life came from one cell... where did the cell come from? from the meteor? allright, where did the meteor come from... I can go on and on and on till there's no answer...
think about it
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ehm you're talking more about the Raelian religion than Christianity... first make sure you know something about the subject before you try to talk about itOriginally posted by nathan_f
So you're telling me, just because we are not advanced enough yet to know exactly where we came from, and how we got here, that I am supposed to believe a man in the sky created all this?
No thanks.
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HAHAHAHOriginally posted by pradaboy
ehm you're talking more about the Raelian religion than Christianity... first make sure you know something about the subject before you try to talk about it
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"man in the sky" is a loose term for god. raelians? hahahaha
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For many hundreds of years, priests and their like were always the richest landowners who often were also the judge of their areas -
Mostly, these people were drunken sods spending most of their time fucking the local poor population (Any resemblance to modern-day webmasters?)
These people were also instrumental in how the bible got to it's present form.
It is a fact that the Catholic church has many original writings - All of which they refuse to show.
Most of the present day miracles, and nearly all the old ones (shroud of turin etc.) have dubious claims.
Several years ago, the Vatican was ripped off for several millions of dollars - But they never noticed - The amount was insignificant to the amount sitting in their accounts.
Always - The church relies on the poor providing the money for new churches, when the biggest landowners and the largest bank account holders are one and he same - The church.
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