For Pro-war people..

North Korea wasn't crawling with Inspectors 24/7 and being bombed very second day for the last 10 years.

and before we get into the usefulness of inspectors and whatnot, where i'm coming from is using tactics that can't be used against us in an anti-western propaganda machine.. Osama masturbates every time a dead Iraqi baby gets shown on Al-jazeera. more recruits. I don't care if we had inspectors in there for the next 10 years, and kept on bombing military targets and suspected weapons sites like we had been UNTIL such a time when even the most pro-UN person could see the inspectors were only a brake on his WMD production, not a solution and we could go in under the cover of UN authority and world wide condemnation of Iraq.

I know it's a pussy way to go about it, but we're dealing with a beehive here.. we can't burn the whole thing, we have to just make sure that the way we go in gets the least bee's pissed as possible to reach our goals.

we're getting into a semantics argument. i said Saddam is Stalin-esque which implies he's embodies characteristics of Stalin. Doesn't mean he's his equal. Saddam is to Stalin what Mini-me is to Austin Powers.

Im just wondering when your going to update your IRAQ BODY COUNT signature to reflect the real figures. And in a couple of weeks I will be doing the maths. That is subtracting the number of american casualties from the number of iraqi casualties and having a positive number in the thousands remaining. And iraq didnt bomb the trade center you stupid fuck.

Ja. it's also strange because he admired the west and people like Churchhill and aspired to be like them.

My understanding is Saddam wanted to capture Kuwait [1991] for their wealth and then conquer the rest of the middle east.

he also enjoys whisky and viagra, and supposedly his favorite movie is the Godfather.



Oh...and how could I forget: his favorite t.v. show is Jerry Springer and Bay Watch.



(ok, the last two are bullshit, but the part about whisky, viagra and the Godfather are actually true.)

those wacky dictators.. Kim Jong Il likes daffy duck - Dictatorland I tell you.. I need VC.

Boy are you an idiot.

People like you need to be hung by their balls.

Bush Sr or Bush Jr?

Saddam got in power all by himself.

hey dopey, once we get rid of saddam, he will no longer be able to do the things pictured.

Non if those pictures were caused by the US but you go on and keep believing the muslim scum.

Yea, with the help of the CIA overthrowing the previous Iraqi government in the 60's. Headed by, you guessed it, Bush Sr.

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LOL, are you saying that the US got into WWII because of Hitler? The US was kicking back, smoking blunts and not giving a fuck until Pearl Harbour.

Ok, I didn't read this thread, but I'm still going to give my opinion. Stanton, you gay spamming piece of shit, there is no such thing as a "Pro war" person. No one wants war. The thing is, some people realize that acting "cool" by giving the piece sign, marching in protest, and claming this is anything like Vietnam isn't going to help the millions of innocent people killed by Sadam Hussien. Wake up, grow up, and shut the fuck up.

Saddam's cousin was in power for 12 years, during this period of time Saddam worked for his cousin and was basically his cousins hitman, when his cousin died, Saddam took control. The CIA had nothing to do with this exchange of power.

Misinformation. The USA did give a fuck and were supplying the Soviets and Britain with military aid almost from the very beginning and would have eventually committed troops even without an attack by the Japanese. Roosevelt ran for the Presidency on a platform of not engaging in Europe and that is the primary reason for not committing troops from the get go, although he wanted to committ troops long before he did.

I bow to your superior grasp of history and inside information, King Cannonfodder

It is all documented history. Roosevelt's four terms of office (he died during his fourth term), particularly the war years, has been one of the most studied Presidency's in US history.

Brilliant ignorance....

Thank you.

Someone needed to say that.

Uhh..actually....he put HIMSELF there. I posted this before and will do so again...

Saddam grew up relatively poor in a small village in north-central Iraq. Well-read and tough.


Late 1950's: He joined the Baath Socialist Party, their goal is to rebuild the entire Arab region and improve life for all. Saddam fits in well being well read and open-minded.. he's a born leader.

1968 - Baath Party seizes control of government in Iraq, Saddam becomes the power behind the Revolutionary Command council. Through the 70's he spends his time as the Vice Chairman of the council, orchistrates a nation-wide literacy project, builds schools, roads, public housing, and hospitals.

He gets tired of having to share power with the council, decides to take some steps... culminating on July 22, 1979. He invites council members and party members to a Baghdad conference hall. Wearing his military uniform he comes in claiming there's been a betrayal, a Syrian Plot. Muhyi Abd al-Hussein Mashhadi, council secretary-general shows up and confesses involvement. He'd been tortured and started naming names. 60 "traitors" are detained. 22 of those singled out were executed (their mouths were taped shut so they wouldn't yell in front of the firing squad). Videotapes of the event were circulated and Saddam was leader.

Between 1981-1982 over 3000 Iraqis were executed with little more excuse than Saddam's word.

Another example of Saddam's "personality". Lt.-Gen. Omar al-Hazzaa was overheard speaking badly of Saddam in 1990. Not only was he sentanced to execution, but his tongue was cut out prior to his death. His son was also executed, and Saddam had his home bulldozed, leaving his wife and the rest of his children homeless.

Saddam has made it manditory that every Iraqi official must read a 19-volume official biography of Saddam. He's very vain, petty, but well-read. One of his favorite historical figures is Winston Churchill.

Yeah, running around with THIS shit... Do you feel comfortable knowing he has it? He DECLARED IT!

Anthrax: Causes fever, septic shock, difficulty breathing, death in 24-72 hours. He declared 85,000 litres of it.

BOtulinum Toxin (a form of botulism): Causes blurred vision, difficulty swallowing, paralysis, respiratory failure, death in as few as 24 hours. He declared 380,000 litres of it.

Aflatoxin: Causes hemmorrhage, convulsions, coma, liver cancer, death. He declared 2,200 litres of it.

Gas Gangrene: Causes tissue death, shock, kidney failure, coma, often death, is painful. He declared 3,400 litres of it.

VX Nerve gas: Disrupts nervous system, causes convulsions, respiratory paralysis, death. He declared 4 tonnes of it (intelligence suggests he has over 200 tonnes).

Sarin Gas: Attacks nervous system, paralyzes muscles used for breathing, can cause death within minutes. He declared 100-150 tonnes of it (intelligence estimates he has up to 350 tonnes)

Mustard Gas: As a liquid, it causes skin and eye burns and blisters. As an inhalent, it can cause long term respiratory disease and cancer. He claimed 500-600 tonnes of it, intelligence suggests he has upward of 800 tonnes of it.


I personally don't feel so comfortable with him potentially giving this stuff to terrorists, or using it himself. Ra Ra for the Coalition, thanks.

As long as there are humans running this planet, there will always be atrocities, injustices, mass killings, starvation, torture, war and all the other hideous things in life. We are the worst of the predators in the animal kingdom. Nothing comes closes to the things we do to each other. Nothing. . . .

Well said. For all you liberals and bleeding hearts,

Because I didn't read every post in the thread I'm ignorant? lol

Actually the Baath Party assasinated the King of the Hashimite Kingdom in 1958.

But.... what ever you prefer to believe is fine by me

Well over 100 Billion will be spent for this campaign.

Thousands of people will die on both sides.

But...

We didn't want to commit to 10 Billion over a number of years to find a cure for aids which would save lives!

I'm not against killing folks when necassary and I am all for assasination of random leaders. Really, pick one, any one, I'm all for it.

The way we are spending money on this is stupid. If we really wanted to fix the situation it only would have cost maybe 20 for the pack of bullets to plug into Saddam's body. Why are we acting like this entire 250,000 soldier campaign was necassary. It's 2003 for cryin out loud! There's better ways to do this. Are you telling me we've trained special forces for 100 years and have billions spent yearly on the CIA and we can't assasinate a fucking towelhead?

If anyone actually believes half of what is being fed to us they need their brains examined. There's more going on here. I don't know what, you don't know what, so let's not even pretend either of us really has the answers ok.