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  • JeremySF
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    • Dec 2002
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    #1

    No Chemical Weapons? My ass!

    US finds evidence of chemical weapons
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/mid...st/2917531.stm

    US troops say they have found thousands of boxes of unidentified white powder and some nerve agent antidote at an industrial site south-west of Baghdad.
    They also said they discovered documents in Arabic, which apparently explain how to carry out chemical warfare.

    A special team has been sent to investigate the discovery at Latifiya - part of a large military complex frequently visited frequently by UN weapons inspectors before the war began.

    US troops have also reportedly found a second site nearby containing vials of unidentified liquid and white powder.

    The Iraqi authorities have not commented on the finds so far. The regime has denied hiding chemical weapons and other weapons of mass destruction from UN inspectors.

    When hostilities finish, there will be huge pressure on the US and Britain to find Saddam's alleged chemical weapons - the supposed reason for going to war - BBC security correspondent Frank Gardner says.

    Investigating teams have so far only managed to reach fewer than 1% of all the suspect sites they are interested in, a British military source told the BBC.


    Col. John Peabody, engineer brigade commander of the 3rd Infantry Division, said the Latifiya complex was "clearly a suspicious site".


    But a senior US official familiar with initial testing said the white powder found at Latifiya was believed to be explosives, AP reported.

    Latifiya is part of the large Qa Qa military complex, just one of a number of sites clustered around the capital where the Iraqi Government is thought to have developed chemical, biological and nuclear weapons, the BBC's Paul Adams says.

    UN inspectors have visited the plant at least a dozen times, including as recently as 18 February.

    In a separate development, US military spokesman Vincent Brooks said troops in the western desert had found what they suspected was a training school for nuclear, chemical and biological warfare.

    One bottle found at the site was labelled "tabun" - a nerve agent that the US Government says may have been used during the 1980-88 Iran-Iraq war.

    "In that particular site, we believe that was the only sample," Brooks said.

    "That's why we believe it was a training site. Our conclusion is that this was not a (weapons of mass destruction) site ... it proved to be far less than that."

    Photos of the site showed shelves of brown bottles with yellow labels. Brooks said troops did not understand some of the labels and were collecting the bottles for examination by experts.
    Last edited by JeremySF; 04-04-2003, 01:30 PM.
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    • Sly_RJ
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      #3
      It gets even better Jeremy...
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      • MarcieB
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        • Mar 2003
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        #4
        So what? So they have a secret cocaine-lab...who doesn't these days
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        • Big Monkie
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          • Feb 2003
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          #5
          Maybe i am missing something here. I didnt see anything there that indicates any so called chemical weapons. Did you read your own post or is this jest?
          Even IF they do find such things i suspect the corporate controlled media wont be talking much about where saddam got the stuff.

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          • JeremySF
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            • Dec 2002
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            #6
            Originally posted by Sly_RJ
            It gets even better Jeremy...
            http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...hreadid=122455

            Yeah, I read that too. It will be interesting to see what they uncover in the coming weeks.
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            • MarcieB
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              • Mar 2003
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              #7
              My guess is that even if they dont find anything, they'll plant something. Now before you start to flame...think about it. All the fuzz was about Iraq having weapons of mass destruction. That was the main reason why Bush could go ahead and also his main argument. How would it look if they didnt find anything? Fuck, i wouldn't wanna be in his shoes in that case.
              So, the only option he has to 'justify' this war is if they DO find chemicals. If not there will be a lot, and I mean a really big lot of heat from all over the world...after all, he didnt find Osame did he? Now what if this war would suddenly be proven bullshit?

              Just my not meaning to flame US or something.
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              • directfiesta
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                • Oct 2002
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                #8
                Heard on Fox this morning and later ( lol) on CNN that it was " powder for explosive".
                On the other hand, I didn't listen to the news this afternoon ( shooting 2 girls...) , so you could be right.
                I know that Asspimple is stoopid ... As he says, it is a FACT !

                But I can't figure out how he can breathe or type , at the same time ....

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                • Big Monkie
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                  • Feb 2003
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by MarcieB
                  My guess is that even if they dont find anything, they'll plant something. Now before you start to flame...think about it. All the fuzz was about Iraq having weapons of mass destruction. That was the main reason why Bush could go ahead and also his main argument. How would it look if they didnt find anything? Fuck, i wouldn't wanna be in his shoes in that case.
                  So, the only option he has to 'justify' this war is if they DO find chemicals. If not there will be a lot, and I mean a really big lot of heat from all over the world...after all, he didnt find Osame did he? Now what if this war would suddenly be proven bullshit?

                  Just my not meaning to flame US or something.
                  But notice how bush has recently changed the tune from weapons of mass destruction to liberating the iraqi people. Same as when they couldnt find osama they completely stopped talking about him and changed the subject to saddam. Never underestimate the power of spin. Especially when the press doesnt question much and gives you a virtually free pass.

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                  • jimmyf
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                    • Feb 2001
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by directfiesta
                    Heard on Fox this morning and later ( lol) on CNN that it was " powder for explosive".
                    On the other hand, I didn't listen to the news this afternoon ( shooting 2 girls...) , so you could be right.
                    I heard something about powder was for some king of explosive also, didn't hear the whole thing. They will be finding stuff for years and years in that country. Just hope the crazy's don't find it first.
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                    • MarcieB
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                      #11
                      Yup, i cant imagine that they give a shit about iraqi's i mean, why would they? Just another justification made up in case no weapons of mass destruction are founr.
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                      • directfiesta
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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Big Monkie

                        But notice how bush has recently changed the tune from weapons of mass destruction to liberating the iraqi people. Same as when they couldnt find osama they completely stopped talking about him and changed the subject to saddam. Never underestimate the power of spin. Especially when the press doesnt question much and gives you a virtually free pass.
                        Well, some of the press write... and not "iraqi_times_of_baghdad"... this is from today NY Times:

                        Search for Hidden Arsenals in Iraq Yields Little Evidence
                        By JUDITH MILLER


                        UWAIT, April 3 ? More than two weeks into the war in Iraq, the search for weapons of mass destruction has come up empty. The main group charged with hunting for chemical and biological arms, the 75th Exploitation Task Force, has not found any evidence of hidden arsenals of such weapons so far.
                        and it goes on for those interested:

                        http://www.nytimes.com/2003/04/04/in...71&partner=CNN
                        I know that Asspimple is stoopid ... As he says, it is a FACT !

                        But I can't figure out how he can breathe or type , at the same time ....

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                        • Joe Sixpack
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                          • Jul 2002
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                          #13
                          Originally posted by JeremySF
                          US finds evidence of chemical weapons
                          http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/mid...st/2917531.stm
                          No they haven't, read the article again. They don't even know what it is.

                          I bet they're getting desperate though. This is going to be interesting.

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                          • hottoddy
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                            #14
                            As for the poisoned Euphrates link, I think we just found where they dumped the products from that empty chemical plant.
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                            • rooster
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                              • Jan 2003
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                              #15
                              anthrax and stuff could be produced in a room the size of your office. It all might never be found. The main thing is removing the regime so those types of programs are no longer funded and supported in iraq.

                              There is no doubt they have chemical weapons.


                              Leftists wont be convinced until they are on their deathbed from nerve gas I guess.
                              Ever notice that pretty much everything added to the Constitution after the original was a mistake.

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                              • jas1552
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                                #16
                                MSNBC.com tests reveal evidence of the deadly toxins ricin and botulinum at a laboratory in a remote mountain region of northern Iraq allegedly used as a terrorist training camp by Islamic militants with ties to the al-Qaida terrorist network.
                                http://msnbc.com/news/895185.asp?0cl=cR

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                                • Joe Sixpack
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                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by rooster
                                  There is no doubt they have chemical weapons.
                                  Until they find something doubt is all there is.

                                  If you know where they are, maybe you should inform the authorities.

                                  Besides, chemical weapons without an effective delivery system aren't even weapons of mass destruction.

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                                  • JeremySF
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                                    • Dec 2002
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                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by Big Monkie

                                    But notice how bush has recently changed the tune from weapons of mass destruction to liberating the iraqi people. Same as when they couldnt find osama they completely stopped talking about him and changed the subject to saddam. Never underestimate the power of spin. Especially when the press doesnt question much and gives you a virtually free pass.
                                    The reason he has changed his tone is that the world doesn't give a shit about liberating the Iraqi people. Disarmement is legally much more ambigous since Saddam agreed as part of the original Gulf War cease fire that he would eliminate all WMDs.

                                    Moreover, now what's important is to win the hearts and minds of the Iraqi people. Finding WMDs isn't going to win any minds.

                                    But, don't worry. They will find plenty. They've only searched 1% of all suspicious sites. Saddam no dummy, though. I'm sure he's stashed plenty of goods in Syria. But, they still find plenty and they will have plenty of Iraqis who will come forth later to reveal Iraqi chemical weapon secrets.
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                                    • rooster
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                                      #19
                                      "In his hard-hitting report to the UN, Hans Blix, the chief inspector for chemical and biological weapons and missiles, said Iraq's 12,000-page declaration contained no information that answered questions remaining after UN inspectors left in 1998. Iraq, for example, declared production of a few tons of impure, unstable VX--a lethal nerve gas--which it said it never weaponized and destroyed in 1991. But Blix said there is evidence that Iraq tried to improve purity and stability, produced more than it declared, weaponized the agent, and offered no proof of destruction. If pure and stabilized, the VX would still be lethal.

                                      Iraq also declared 8,500 L of anthrax in liquid form, which it said it destroyed in 1991. Iraq has offered no proof of destruction, and Blix said quantities of stilllethal anthrax "might still exist.""



                                      Do you really believe they destoryed these things which they declared. And that is just the stuff they openly declared.
                                      Ever notice that pretty much everything added to the Constitution after the original was a mistake.

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                                      • JeremySF
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                                        • Dec 2002
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                                        #20
                                        good article....discusses both terror toxins and al-qaeda links.


                                        Positive test for terror toxins in Iraq
                                        EXCLUSIVE By Preston Mendenhall, MSNBC


                                        MSNBC.com tests reveal evidence of the deadly toxins ricin and botulinum at a laboratory in a remote mountain region of northern Iraq allegedly used as a terrorist training camp by Islamic militants with ties to the al-Qaida terrorist network. The U.S. Central Intelligence Agency is conducting its own tests at the same area, but has not yet released the results, according to officials in northern Iraq.

                                        MSNBC.COM'S TESTS were conducted over a two-day period at Sargat, an alleged terrorist training camp a mile from the Iraq-Iran border. The camp, set back in an isolated valley and surrounded by snowcapped peaks, was home to the radical Islamic militant group Ansar al-Islam, which counts among its some 700 followers scores of al-Qaida fighters.

                                        In a Feb. 5 speech to the U.N. Security Council, U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell showed a satellite photo of the Sargat camp and described Ansar al-Islam as "teaching its operatives how to produce ricin and other poisons." U.S. officials have repeated the allegations in recent weeks.

                                        In an operation timed to coincide with the war on Iraq,U.S. special operations forceshave targeted Ansar al-Islam's militants in northern Iraq. Hundreds of Islamists, including al-Qaida fighters who took refuge in northern Iraq after the fall of the Taliban in Afghanistan, have been killed.

                                        Although U.S. officials for months have leveled charges that the Ansar al-Islam and al-Qaida militants were producing poisons in northern Iraq, it wasn't until this week that specialist American teams were able to gain access to the Sargat camp to test for traces ofbiological and chemical weapons.

                                        Experts believe the Islamic group was producing the substances in the camp as both toxins can be created from everyday products and simple procedures.

                                        TERRORISTS TEMPTED BY TOXINS
                                        MSNBC.com's samples of ricin and botulinum, two deadly biological agents, were taken from the soles of a boot and a shoe recovered from the Sargat camp. The facility has been flattened by several Tomahawk cruise missiles, fired as part of the U.S. campaign against Ansar al-Islam.

                                        The thick rubber boot twice tested positive for ricin, a toxin derived from castor beans. Ingesting a pinch of ricin, which causes shock and respiratory failure, can kill a human being within 72 hours. There is no cure.

                                        A black running shoe, shredded by the U.S. bombing, tested positive for botulinum. U.S. officials say terrorists have a particular interest in botulinum and ricin toxins, which may be delivered through release in food and water.

                                        Botulism, the illness resulting from botulinum ingestion, is a muscle-paralyzing disease that can cause a person to stop breathing and die, according to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control.
                                        Since Sept. 11, 2001, law enforcement officials have seen an increase in attempts to produce deadly toxins like ricin and botulinum.

                                        In Britain, anti-terrorism authorities in January charged four men with producing deadly agents after they found traces of ricin in a north London apartment. More than a dozen arrests have been made in the investigation.

                                        On Thursday, the FBI issued a warning to Americans that deadly agents like ricin and botulinum could be used to contaminate the nation's water or food supply.

                                        And in France, police are on alert after recently finding traces of ricin in flasks in a train station locker in Paris.

                                        The territory of northern Iraq where the traces of ricin were detected is not under the control of Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein.

                                        Baghdad admitted to U.N. weapons inspectors in the 1990s that it had successfully weaponized ricin, botulinum and anthrax. There is no immediate evidence that suggests Saddam's regime provided the easily produced toxins to Ansar al-Islam or al-Qaida.

                                        A test for anthrax at the Sargat camp gave a negative result.

                                        WIDELY USED TEST
                                        The tests, developed by Osborn Scientific Group in Lakeside, Ariz., are widely admired by experts. Called BioWarfare Agent Detection Devices, they were used by U.N. weapons inspectors in Iraq before their departure ahead of the U.S.-led war against Saddam.

                                        Dr. Robert Bohannon, the inventor of the test, said in a phone interview that numerous U.S. federal agencies employ the tests in the field. He said the tests were developed to give a rapid "yes-no" result.

                                        In recent days, specialist chemical-biological survey teams, some from the CIA, have collected samples from camps used by Islamic militants in northern Iraq. At least two teams visited the Sargat camp, taking similar rapid fields tests and collecting samples to be sent to the United States for further analysis, according to U.S. special operations forces officers speaking on condition of anonymity in northern Iraq.

                                        "To swab a boot is perfectly acceptable," Bohannon said. "[The test] will tell you with almost 100 percent certainty if it is ricin or botulinum. There is a high probability they were there."

                                        Bohannon, a former U.S. military scientist at the Dugway Proving Ground in Utah, said government experts would likely also subject their samples to a Gas Chromatography Mass Spectrometer, an apparatus that gives breakdown of the elements and composition of the sample. The GCMS is used also used to analyze urine samples for the presence of drugs.

                                        The Osborn Scientific Group's test is widely used by federal agencies as first step in the "evidentiary chain," Bohannon said. "It will tell you very, very fast if it's got a credible amount of material."

                                        U.S. special operations forces officials said this week they had found recipes for ricin and other toxins at camps in northern Iraq.

                                        In several visits to the Sargat camp, MSNBC.com uncovered material that could be used for terrorist purposes, including a list of chemical elements frequently found in explosives.

                                        The list, written in Arabic, also includes notations on where chemicals like nitric acid, which can be used to make components of the explosive Semtex, can commonly be found.


                                        MSNBC.com's Preston Mendenhall is on assignment in northern Iraq. Greg Mathieson contributed to this report.
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                                        • flashfreak
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                                          #21
                                          sure JeremySF (SF comes from Science Fiction no?), as you say...
                                          you found that article so fast.. keep on watching and post some "news" here... keep as informed
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                                          • wonton
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                                            • Apr 2002
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                                            #22
                                            All rather ironic considering that the US is the world's largest producer of chemical and biological agents.

                                            Plus, we gassed non-combatants in Cambodia with sarin gas (at Kissenger's urging), a country which was not officially part of the Vietnam war. And let's not forget all that napalm and agent orange dropped on millions of innocent villagers.

                                            Oh and while we're at it, let's not forget that "anthrax scare" post 9-11 that was ultimately traced back to a US military base. The hypocracy runs thick in these times...


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                                            • directfiesta
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                                              • Oct 2002
                                              • 30257

                                              #23
                                              Northern Iraq was and is a " no-fly zone" under the control of the Kurds...

                                              The Baghdad government had no presence or control there.

                                              If they had WMD, they surely wouldn't hide them in the backyard of the same people they used them on....

                                              As a poster said above, it is not important anymore, now it is to free the "people"

                                              Theyre are 710 reasons....
                                              inverse it and it is


                                              710 = OIL
                                              I know that Asspimple is stoopid ... As he says, it is a FACT !

                                              But I can't figure out how he can breathe or type , at the same time ....

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                                              • Massivecock
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                                                • Mar 2002
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                                                #24
                                                WHO GIVES A FUCK?????????????
                                                FUCK!!!!
                                                THE USA AND UK GAVE IT TO THEM!!!!!
                                                THE USA HAS ENOUGH BIO CHEMICAL WEAPONS TO POISION
                                                100 PLANETS!
                                                SO DOES CHINA, RUSSIA, ISREAL, INDIA, AND DOZENS OF OTHER COUNTRIES!!!
                                                YOU PEOPLE ARE MAKING ME SICK!!!


                                                GET REAL!!!!

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                                                • jas1552
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                                                  • May 2002
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                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by directfiesta
                                                  710 = OIL
                                                  Holy shit. How can one refute such solid evidence.

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                                                  • wonton
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                                                    #26
                                                    While we are at it..... we are bound to find chemical weapons in Iraq because THE GOOD OLD USA SOLD SADDAM ALL THAT SHIT!

                                                    Check out this page which in turn has links to mainstream articles (Washington Post etc.) that admits as much.

                                                    The US Armed Iraq

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                                                    • Snapper
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                                                      #27
                                                      Complete bullshit. That was just flour that Saddam was going to use to bake a large cake for Dubya' birthday this year.

                                                      Right wing conspiracy controlled organizations such as NPR and CNN are making this stuff up in order to establish a new world order and empower Ashhahahahaha to come after pornographers once the 1rst amendment has been repealed.

                                                      That's the truth, Micheal Moore told me so.



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                                                      • CDSmith
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                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by directfiesta
                                                        Theyre are 710 reasons....
                                                        inverse it and it is


                                                        710 = OIL
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                                                        • Snapper
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                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by Massivecock
                                                          WHO GIVES A FUCK?????????????
                                                          FUCK!!!!
                                                          THE USA AND UK GAVE IT TO THEM!!!!!
                                                          THE USA HAS ENOUGH BIO CHEMICAL WEAPONS TO POISION
                                                          100 PLANETS!
                                                          SO DOES CHINA, RUSSIA, ISREAL, INDIA, AND DOZENS OF OTHER COUNTRIES!!!
                                                          YOU PEOPLE ARE MAKING ME SICK!!!


                                                          GET REAL!!!!

                                                          YOU. Out of the gene pool.
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                                                          • hottoddy
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                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by Snapper
                                                            Anyone catch Dennis Miller on Leno last night? He was fuckin hilarious!
                                                            Yes he was. He ripped Michael Moore a new one.
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                                                            • Snapper
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                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by hottoddy


                                                              Yes he was. He ripped Michael Moore a new one.
                                                              Micheal Moore, The Dixie Chicks, Pearl Jam, and a few others.

                                                              He was relentless and funny. I was actually clapping when he got done. I love that guy.
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                                                              • Sly_RJ
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                                                                • Feb 2002
                                                                • 17042

                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by Snapper
                                                                Complete bullshit. That was just flour that Saddam was going to use to bake a large cake for Dubya' birthday this year.

                                                                Right wing conspiracy controlled organizations such as NPR and CNN are making this stuff up in order to establish a new world order and empower Ashhahahahaha to come after pornographers once the 1rst amendment has been repealed.

                                                                That's the truth, Micheal Moore told me so.



                                                                Anyone catch Dennis Miller on Leno last night? He was fuckin hilarious!
                                                                LOL.

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                                                                • jas1552
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                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by wonton
                                                                  While we are at it..... we are bound to find chemical weapons in Iraq because THE GOOD OLD USA SOLD SADDAM ALL THAT SHIT!

                                                                  Check out this page which in turn has links to mainstream articles (Washington Post etc.) that admits as much.

                                                                  The US Armed Iraq
                                                                  Yes we already know that. We weren't the only ones selling him shit either.
                                                                  The thing is Saddam lost a war and to obtain a ceasefire he agreed to get rid of all that shit and prove it. He hasn't done that. Breaking a ceasefire agreement is plenty of reason to resume fire all by itself. The atrocities and the Ansar Al Islam links to Al Qaeda are icing on the cake. Though IMO the best reason to get rid of Saddam is the atrocities. Evil must be opposed, defeated when possible.

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                                                                  • directfiesta
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                                                                    • Oct 2002
                                                                    • 30257

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by jas1552


                                                                    We will make no distinction between the terrorists and those who harbor them. You are either with us or you are with the terrorists.

                                                                    Washington courted and bankrolled Saddam as a foil to Iranian expansionism.

                                                                    Knowledge that Iraq was using chemical weapons, and suspicions it was trying to build a nuclear bomb, did not stand in the way of a marriage of convenience or billions of dollars in U.S. agricultural loan guarantees and trade credits.
                                                                    and it goes on ... but don't read it, it all a false....



                                                                    Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, for example, met Saddam in Baghdad in December 1983 during the Iran-Iraq war when he served as Middle East envoy for President Ronald Reagan.

                                                                    Recently declassified U.S. documents show the State Department knew at that time that Iraq was making "almost daily" use of chemical weapons against Iranian forces and that the CIA suspected Saddam would try to build a nuclear bomb.

                                                                    Rumsfeld was filmed shaking Saddam's hand and, according to a U.S. diplomatic cable, the Iraqi president drew "obvious pleasure" from a letter Rumsfeld handed him from Reagan.

                                                                    "Our initial assessment is that (the) meeting marked (a) positive milestone in (the) development of U.S.-Iraqi relations," the cable concluded.

                                                                    Within a year of that meeting, Iraq and the United States had re-established diplomatic ties after a 17-year break.
                                                                    And it's all the same fucking " gang" ... colse your eyes ...

                                                                    http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.j...toryID=2510792

                                                                    and FYI, it is an article of TODAY.
                                                                    I know that Asspimple is stoopid ... As he says, it is a FACT !

                                                                    But I can't figure out how he can breathe or type , at the same time ....

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                                                                    • Snapper
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                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by Sly_RJ

                                                                      LOL.

                                                                      I see we've converted you.

                                                                      Yeah, got tired of using logic to appeal to liberals. I've converted to rumor milling and sarcasm. Much less frustrating. Its so nice to be on the left, you canjsut spout conclusions without having to use facts to back the conclusions up. I'm gonna make a sequel to Micheal Moore's movie. I'm calling it "Trolling for Concubine"
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                                                                      • Joe Sixpack
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                                                                        • Jul 2002
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                                                                        #36
                                                                        Originally posted by jas1552

                                                                        Evil must be opposed, defeated when possible.
                                                                        So who's next to be "liberated"? The world is full of dictators.

                                                                        The hypocrisy of all this is staggering.

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                                                                        • Snapper
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                                                                          • Apr 2002
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                                                                          #37
                                                                          Originally posted by Joe Sixpack


                                                                          So who's next to be "liberated"? The world is full of dictators.

                                                                          The hypocrisy of all this is staggering.
                                                                          There ya go buddy

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                                                                          • JeremySF
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                                                                            • Dec 2002
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                                                                            #38
                                                                            Originally posted by wonton
                                                                            While we are at it..... we are bound to find chemical weapons in Iraq because THE GOOD OLD USA SOLD SADDAM ALL THAT SHIT!

                                                                            Check out this page which in turn has links to mainstream articles (Washington Post etc.) that admits as much.

                                                                            The US Armed Iraq
                                                                            Would you support war under ANY circumstances? What about Rwanda where 800,000 people were killed within a matter of weeks while the rest of the world stood idly by? Don't the the free countries of the world have an obligation to intervene when tyranical leaders wage war on innocent subjects?

                                                                            What in your mind is justified?
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                                                                            • jas1552
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                                                                              • May 2002
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                                                                              #39
                                                                              Taken from the article you posted DF.
                                                                              "Iraq was the lesser of two evils," said Raymond Tanter, who served on the U.S. National Security Council staff from 1981 to 1982 and took the position at the time that Washington should not support either side.

                                                                              "Cozying up to Saddam Hussein was not such a brilliant idea, but I understand why it happened," said Tanter, an Iran expert at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy.

                                                                              "Times have changed," he added. "You have to adapt your policies to the nature of the threat."
                                                                              Saddam has always been a bad guy. The US fucked up by not always treating him that way.

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                                                                              • Snapper
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                                                                                #40
                                                                                Originally posted by JeremySF


                                                                                Would you support war under ANY circumstances? What about Rwanda where 800,000 people were killed within a matter of weeks while the rest of the world stood idly by? Don't the the free countries of the world have an obligation to intervene when tyranical leaders wage war on innocent subjects?

                                                                                What in your mind is justified?
                                                                                Oil.

                                                                                Fuck the Rwandans. what the fuck do they have that can make a car go fast.

                                                                                We only intervene when there is oil, like for example, the VAST and huge oil deposits in Kosovo, or Somalia, or Bosnia.

                                                                                And man, those Haitians, those bastards were swimming in oil, thats why Bush faked his Yale degree to take over and go kick some more ass. See, Oil backwards is 710, which is also Bush's SAT score. So there you have it.

                                                                                man, this is fun!
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                                                                                • JeremySF
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                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  quote:
                                                                                  --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
                                                                                  Originally posted by Joe Sixpack


                                                                                  So who's next to be "liberated"? The world is full of dictators.

                                                                                  The hypocrisy of all this is staggering.
                                                                                  --------------------------------------------------------------------------------



                                                                                  Yeah, the world is full of dictators, so we who are so comfortable in the free world should allow them to be fruitful and multiple.

                                                                                  Have you notice that with liberals it's always too early or too late to take action.

                                                                                  Iraq: We don't know how far Saddam is from developing nukes or using WMDs, so let's do nothing.

                                                                                  N. Korea: They already have nukes, so it's too dangerous to take action.

                                                                                  I agree that it can be too late. Better early than to do nothing.
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                                                                                  • Rich
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                                                                                    • Jan 2003
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                                                                                    #42
                                                                                    Is anyone suprised?

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                                                                                    • RB Content
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                                                                                      • Oct 2001
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                                                                                      #43
                                                                                      Hi all,

                                                                                      I have been reading a lot of these threads. And I do have opinions but I have of a question.

                                                                                      Maybe somebody has said this on another thread but, those of you who like this war are you backing an administration that wishes your business's demise?

                                                                                      I just read something about being a leftist if you are against the war? But isnt being right wing contradictory to your business/living?

                                                                                      I am just curious its like being gay and voting republican. Your kind of shooting yourself in the foot.

                                                                                      If you believe the war is a good thing I wouldnt wave the flag for the guys who are raging it when they in turn will gain a huge amount of domestic power from the situation, If it goes well of course.

                                                                                      Just curious.
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                                                                                      • JeremySF
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                                                                                        #44
                                                                                        Originally posted by Snapper


                                                                                        Oil.

                                                                                        Fuck the Rwandans. what the fuck do they have that can make a car go fast.

                                                                                        We only intervene when there is oil, like for example, the VAST and huge oil deposits in Kosovo, or Somalia, or Bosnia.

                                                                                        And man, those Haitians, those bastards were swimming in oil, thats why Bush faked his Yale degree to take over and go kick some more ass. See, Oil backwards is 710, which is also Bush's SAT score. So there you have it.

                                                                                        man, this is fun!
                                                                                        stop stealing Joe, Wonton, DirectFiesta's arguments!
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                                                                                        • Snapper
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                                                                                          #45
                                                                                          Originally posted by RB Content
                                                                                          Hi all,

                                                                                          I have been reading a lot of these threads. And I do have opinions but I have of a question.

                                                                                          Maybe somebody has said this on another thread but, those of you who like this war are you backing an administration that wishes your business's demise?

                                                                                          I just read something about being a leftist if you are against the war? But isnt being right wing contradictory to your business/living?

                                                                                          I am just curious its like being gay and voting republican. Your kind of shooting yourself in the foot.

                                                                                          If you believe the war is a good thing I wouldnt wave the flag for the guys who are raging it when they in turn will gain a huge amount of domestic power from the situation, If it goes well of course.

                                                                                          Just curious.
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                                                                                          And, of course, Gore in office would be good for porn, but anyone remember how conversions were after 9/11? If Al-Qeada takes over, I doubt they would respect the 1rst amendment as much as the republicans have.
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                                                                                          • JeremySF
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                                                                                            #46
                                                                                            Originally posted by RB Content
                                                                                            Hi all,

                                                                                            I am just curious its like being gay and voting republican. Your kind of shooting yourself in the foot.

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                                                                                            I guess you haven't heard of log cabin republicans.
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                                                                                            • Snapper
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                                                                                              #47
                                                                                              Originally posted by JeremySF


                                                                                              I guess you haven't heard of log cabin republicans.
                                                                                              neither have I. Whats that?
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                                                                                              • Joe Sixpack
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                                                                                                • Jul 2002
                                                                                                • 3793

                                                                                                #48
                                                                                                Originally posted by Snapper


                                                                                                I fight battle one at a time, my friend. While Ashhahahahaha and the right wing may one day add more restrictions, they are not half the threat to porn that Visa is, for example.


                                                                                                Care to elaborate?

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                                                                                                • directfiesta
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                                                                                                  • Oct 2002
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                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                  Originally posted by JeremySF


                                                                                                  Would you support war under ANY circumstances? What about Rwanda where 800,000 people were killed within a matter of weeks while the rest of the world stood idly by? Don't the the free countries of the world have an obligation to intervene when tyranical leaders wage war on innocent subjects?

                                                                                                  What in your mind is justified?
                                                                                                  3 000 000 people dead in Congo in the past 5 years... under a dictatorship and foreign invasion.... When are the coalition troops going in to liberate them and secure the ... oil... oups sorry the corn fields???

                                                                                                  Isn't it a noble cause, as noble as Iraq???

                                                                                                  "The Republic of Uganda...(should) withdraw (its) troops from the territory of the Democratic Republic of the Congo, and that under no circumstances should they be allowed to remain in the territory of the DRC," the TPVM said in a statement.

                                                                                                  Rwanda threatened earlier this month to send troops back into Congo if the international community failed to secure the withdrawal of its former ally Uganda, which backs rival rebel groups.
                                                                                                  http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.j...toryID=2471837
                                                                                                  I know that Asspimple is stoopid ... As he says, it is a FACT !

                                                                                                  But I can't figure out how he can breathe or type , at the same time ....

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                                                                                                    #50
                                                                                                    Originally posted by JeremySF

                                                                                                    Don't the the free countries of the world have an obligation to intervene when tyranical leaders wage war on innocent subjects?
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