this business is all about selling. selling yourself most of all. if you're not good at it, its way harder to make it in this biz
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teh old thread has returned!
deja fucking vuIm fuckin retired
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Originally posted by 12clicks
this business is all about selling. selling yourself most of all. if you're not good at it, its way harder to make it in this biz
im living proofSig heil
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its so old I wonder if someone asked the same question, would I give the same answer.I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.Comment
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have you had a hard time?Originally posted by toodamnfli
im living proof
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Wonder what the work ethic of most of the vets is like. Wonder if they are just resting on self generating business or whether they still work as hard as when they were newbs.
Have noticed some veterans starting to launch their own webmaster resource sites, and hitting the boards more. Could that be the sign of the slowdown we all know is happening?IW
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Wrong...once upon a time, in the days of the BBS -prior to the birth of the net, this business was about selling. These days, it does not take a salesman to make it. Now it takes the ability and the desire to scam and cheat the surfer.
A truly successful person could build a business by offering a good product at a fair price. The majority of today's webmasters are no different then the weasels you find in boiler rooms, bilking poeple out of their earnings.Comment
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personally, I used to work much harder. Then we got fat and happy and started working 9-5Originally posted by Sausage
Wonder what the work ethic of most of the vets is like. Wonder if they are just resting on self generating business or whether they still work as hard as when they were newbs.
Have noticed some veterans starting to launch their own webmaster resource sites, and hitting the boards more. Could that be the sign of the slowdown we all know is happening?
I really don't consider posting like this "work"
Plus, most of our people work normal hours as well. I'm not making any big deals after hours so why bother.I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.Comment
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perhaps you should make new contacts.Originally posted by 49thParallel
Wrong...once upon a time, in the days of the BBS -prior to the birth of the net, this business was about selling. These days, it does not take a salesman to make it. Now it takes the ability and the desire to scam and cheat the surfer.
A truly successful person could build a business by offering a good product at a fair price. The majority of today's webmasters are no different then the weasels you find in boiler rooms, bilking poeple out of their earnings.
there was no money in the BBS days so stop pretending there was and confusing newbs. You didn't make any money then either.
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Do thumbnail preview web sites like teeniefiles.com make less profit than text link web sites like thehun.net because thumbnail preview web sites consume too much bandwidth?Comment
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I would think so, all other things being equal.Originally posted by deliriumtremens
Do thumbnail preview web sites like teeniefiles.com make less profit than text link web sites like thehun.net because thumbnail preview web sites consume too much bandwidth?
I also think there is a chance that some galleries are passed over because of a bad looking thumb.I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.Comment
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rofl sergeOriginally posted by Serge_Oprano
spread your legs and charge DOUBLE!
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12clicks great thread, shitload of great opinions on things.. always good to have some insight, thanks
self made mothafucka.
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I've never been shy about my opinions.Originally posted by aflex
rofl serge
12clicks great thread, shitload of great opinions on things.. always good to have some insight, thanks
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Read between the lines, old stale one....Originally posted by 12clicks
perhaps you should make new contacts.
there was no money in the BBS days so stop pretending there was and confusing newbs. You didn't make any money then either.
In the days of the BBS, it was a community....no such thing as credit card processing, and deceptive marketing. To gain access, the surfer had to drop off a real check or cash. (Most BBS's were local). That way, the surfers were real people that you looked in the eyes when they handed you their fee...
But I digress...the real point of my post was to say that you are fooling yourself if you think yourself a great businessman. The part you should be focusing on is where I call scamming webmasters nothing more then the same calibre of weasels that work the phonelines, or sells non-existent home improvements. If you fit this description..so beit....Last edited by 49thParallel; 04-02-2003, 07:36 PM.Comment
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Is the owner of The Hun, Parney Galione, a he or a she?Comment
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12clicks, if you wanted to start a paysite on a shoestring budget of around $10-15k what niche would you go with?Comment
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Who owns what in this board?
For example:
Voodoo -> pichunter.com
12clicks -> standardinternet.com
Lensman -> adult.com
I only need to know about the biggest webmasters.Comment
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Translation: back when I made 35.00 a month, my BBS friends thought I was a business genius.Originally posted by 49thParallel
Read between the lines, old stale one....
In the days of the BBS, it was a community....no such thing as credit card processing, and deceptive marketing. To gain access, the surfer had to drop off a real check or cash. (Most BBS's were local). That way, the surfers were real people that you looked in the eyes when they handed you their fee...
No, I'm an idiot. how does it feel to not be able to accomplish what an idiot has in this business?Originally posted by 49thParallel
But I digress...the real point of my post was to say that you are fooling yourself if you think yourself a great businessman.
The part you should focus on is that just because successful people puzzle you, doesn't mean they aren't playing by the book.Originally posted by 49thParallel
The part you should be focusing on is where I call scamming webmasters nothing more then the same calibre of weasels that work the phonelines, or sells non-existent home improvements. If you fit this description..so beit....
but you go one yelling sour grapes. after all, its all you';ve got.
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the owner of the hun is named Patrick (last name withheld because I don't know that he uses it himself online)Originally posted by deliriumtremens
Is the owner of The Hun, Parney Galione, a he or a she?
I send him checks every month.I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.Comment
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Parney is a she, however, Parney does not own thehun.net.Originally posted by deliriumtremens
Is the owner of The Hun, Parney Galione, a he or a she?
Parney handles the advertising for the hun. The owner of the hun is a he named Patrick.sig too bigComment
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Amateur. I'd partner with a couple of internet illiterate girls and expand from there.Originally posted by Marcus
12clicks, if you wanted to start a paysite on a shoestring budget of around $10-15k what niche would you go with?I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.Comment
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dude, you gotta do a little work yourself.Originally posted by deliriumtremens
Who owns what in this board?
For example:
Voodoo -> pichunter.com
12clicks -> standardinternet.com
Lensman -> adult.com
I only need to know about the biggest webmasters.
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ok, I'm off to bed. I'll pic this up tomorrow.I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.Comment
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Whats your most profitable website. URL please. And why is it so profitable?Big Boob trades icq 265907826Comment
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I have a question. Do you see per sign up going away as a profitable business model?
With recurring at an all time low, tighter regs from visa/mc hurting a lot of companies with questionable billing practices, and the increase in pop up blocking software and browsers lowering revenue from exit traffic, not to mention the increase in fraud on the part of the webmaster AND the surfer, I just don't see it lasting forever.
My guess is that payouts will have to be lowered for the per sign up programs, and perhaps per sign up won't be offered as an option to new webmasters until they've sent traffic for a certain period of time.
Start them off in revshare and offer them per sign up only after they've proven themselves to be honest.
Your thoughts?sig too bigComment
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Ahhh, but you miss the point once again...
But I must prepare myself for your next powerful onslaught...what will it be next, o yee master of nothing....
Let's look in the 12 Clicks chest of witty repetoire....
a) I make nothing...yep, right on time, you used that tired approach already
b) I should post again when I get back from my day job....hmm, that's always a popular one with you
c) Do I want fries with that....I'll give you a few minutes before you bring in that one
But, once again, if you somehow miss the point of my post...
Honest and Integrity = good
Scamming and cheating = not so good
If this still does not register, don't worry yourself little fella...Comment
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Look, dickhead. I don't know you from 12clicks from Adam. But he's offering to help. So until you do the same, you really should lay off. 'cause right now, in this thread, you're nothing but a blowhard.Originally posted by 49thParallel
Ahhh, but you miss the point once again...
But I must prepare myself for your next powerful onslaught...what will it be next, o yee master of nothing....
Let's look in the 12 Clicks chest of witty repetoire....
a) I make nothing...yep, right on time, you used that tired approach already
b) I should post again when I get back from my day job....hmm, that's always a popular one with you
c) Do I want fries with that....I'll give you a few minutes before you bring in that one
But, once again, if you somehow miss the point of my post...
Honest and Integrity = good
Scamming and cheating = not so good
If this still does not register, don't worry yourself little fella...Comment
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what he said ^Originally posted by NineNine
Look, dickhead. I don't know you from 12clicks from Adam. But he's offering to help. So until you do the same, you really should lay off. 'cause right now, in this thread, you're nothing but a blowhard.IW
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Awesome thread 12clicks! Definitely motivating for me. Ever notice how once people have enough money rolling in every month to live comfortably, they slow down working? I've been so lazy this winter. Just the spanking I needed!
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Now that I have left Mogul Networks after 6 years of devoted service, what do you think I should do next with my career?Comment
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I have a question or two, if somebody has asked any of them already please just disregard it.
What has been the greatest challenge for you in the business world?
What challenges do you think you will be facing in the years to come?
Do you believe that somebody can make it big as an employee?
Where do you see this industry in 2, 4, and 6 years?Comment
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Originally posted by PANTYHOSE PROPHET
In a single paragraph. What is the very first bit of advice you would give a newbie who would like to be earning 40k+/year?
spread your legs and charge DOUBLE!
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Originally posted by the bulldog
WHY did you convert to Islam after September 11?
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12clicks.comOriginally posted by thewebgarage
Whats your most profitable website. URL please. And why is it so profitable?
its profitable for 2 reasons. one is it scares away cheaters, 2 is its where I send cheaters.
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Well first of all, did you know that mojo ran the second pay per signup program ever run? freshteens.com which he sold off long ago.Originally posted by Lenny2
I have a question. Do you see per sign up going away as a profitable business model?
With recurring at an all time low, tighter regs from visa/mc hurting a lot of companies with questionable billing practices, and the increase in pop up blocking software and browsers lowering revenue from exit traffic, not to mention the increase in fraud on the part of the webmaster AND the surfer, I just don't see it lasting forever.
My guess is that payouts will have to be lowered for the per sign up programs, and perhaps per sign up won't be offered as an option to new webmasters until they've sent traffic for a certain period of time.
Start them off in revshare and offer them per sign up only after they've proven themselves to be honest.
Your thoughts?
Today, for some unscupulous sponsors, pay persignup is the only way they could be profitable (if you know what I mean)
Also, the way to solve the popup blocker problem is for ALL content to open in a new window. Force these free loaders to view pops and exits.
Guys with deep pockets will always be able to pull off the pay per signup model unless the CCs do away with reccurring billing.
fraud on the webmaster side is still a problem believe it or not. Some guys would get away with it because they have all of the pieces in place but give themselves away out of stupidity.I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.Comment
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It's gotta suck being you. those grapes just keep getting more and more sour don't they.Originally posted by 49thParallel
Ahhh, but you miss the point once again...
But I must prepare myself for your next powerful onslaught...what will it be next, o yee master of nothing....
Let's look in the 12 Clicks chest of witty repetoire....
a) I make nothing...yep, right on time, you used that tired approach already
b) I should post again when I get back from my day job....hmm, that's always a popular one with you
c) Do I want fries with that....I'll give you a few minutes before you bring in that one
But, once again, if you somehow miss the point of my post...
Honest and Integrity = good
Scamming and cheating = not so good
If this still does not register, don't worry yourself little fella...
now run along and work that big internet business you have. what was its name again? it must be something big since even the dumb guys made it big when they were in as early as you.
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Thanks NineNine and sausage but I can handle this light wieght.Originally posted by NineNine
Look, dickhead. I don't know you from 12clicks from Adam. But he's offering to help. So until you do the same, you really should lay off. 'cause right now, in this thread, you're nothing but a blowhard.
The thing you've got to remember about these bitter nobodies is that for the last 6yrs, they've watched their betters excel in this business while they put on the paper hat every day. After 6yrs of failure, they chalk it up to their betters cheating their way to the top. The don't have the ability or imagination to succeed in this business so they've come to the conclusion that it can't be done.
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This is the easiest job you'll ever have! why shouldn't you work hard to succeed at it?Originally posted by KCat
Awesome thread 12clicks! Definitely motivating for me. Ever notice how once people have enough money rolling in every month to live comfortably, they slow down working? I've been so lazy this winter. Just the spanking I needed!
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learn C, C++, visual basic, php, and rule the world.Originally posted by baddog
Now that I have left Mogul Networks after 6 years of devoted service, what do you think I should do next with my career?
Do you know what its like to have great ideas bogged down because your tech guys are over worked?I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.Comment
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Staying motivated, continuing to spend time thinking of the next big thing even as the current big thing is bringing in 7 figure checks monthly, shifting gears as major changes effected our business (this happened 3 times to us), and most of all remembering that most of my detractors on chat boards are 20somethings who won't be her next year.Originally posted by Validus
I have a question or two, if somebody has asked any of them already please just disregard it.
What has been the greatest challenge for you in the business world?
change. We've been at the top of our game for a while now. We have much more room to go down than up. This business has become a high wire act where the wrong step could literally kill you.Originally posted by Validus
What challenges do you think you will be facing in the years to come?
No, but they can learn to make it big by being employed by the right people.Originally posted by Validus
Do you believe that somebody can make it big as an employee?
I couldn't tell you. too many things are in flux. CC issues are a huge factor. Another factor is how well the adult world canablizes itself. The only thing that saved TGP guys and other small players is the fact that the bottom dropped out of bandwidth costs.Originally posted by Validus
Where do you see this industry in 2, 4, and 6 years?
If they had remained high but conversions still dropped off as they have, most small guys would have been priced out of playing.I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.Comment
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Thank you. I am 20 something... but I am planning on being around for a while.
Best of luck to you, luck is always something that one can not have enough of.Comment
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"... luck is always something that one can not have enough of."
I never had any luck, having 12clicks in my ICQ list is what turned me into a wealthy man !!!Comment
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well, feel free to ICQ me too... I am always glad to add interesting people to my list. 1075987Comment
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OKay one (simple) question.....
Paypal is turning his back against the AdultBus.... whats the best way to replace Paypal?A Joint A Day Keeps The Dr AwayComment
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hmm, I made a bad analogy. there are plenty of 20somethings making it big. I'm more talking about guys who after making 20 bucks for beer money are now going to tell me how wrong I am about things.Originally posted by Validus
Thank you. I am 20 something... but I am planning on being around for a while.
you know what I mean.I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.Comment
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Real business is done thru checks and wires. If you've never had a problem with paypal, you're one of the lucky few.Originally posted by joefoxxx
OKay one (simple) question.....
Paypal is turning his back against the AdultBus.... whats the best way to replace Paypal?
I would never EVER trust them with my money.I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.Comment
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yeah uh but you didnt' say how to replace them..... epassporte? we all go back to dailers?
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I know what you meant :-) I think same goes for most 9-5ers...Comment
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sure, I think epassporte has its place in this but how would I replace them? with wires and checks. I never understood the need for paypal in the first place.Originally posted by joefoxxx
yeah uh but you didnt' say how to replace them..... epassporte? we all go back to dailers?
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