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03-25-2003, 05:03 PM

Has anyone seen links to this online? I've only seen it on TV. It was talking about Iraqis that now live outside Iraq heading back in the hundreds to defend their honor and their homeland.

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Thousands of Iraqi exiles headed back to Iraq to fight against US.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/internatio...921351,00.html
http://www.islamonline.net/english/N...rticle18.shtml

World has different perspective than US on this war.
http://www.csmonitor.com/2003/0325/p01s04-woiq.html

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03-25-2003, 05:05 PM

you have a great imagination

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If anything I'd think they were going back to fight Saddam.

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Why not just kill themselves at home instead of traveling around the world to do it.

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Iraqi honor?

This should be interesting.

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03-25-2003, 05:09 PM

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If anything I'd think they were going back to fight Saddam.

No man. They've been showing and interviewing them on MSNBC all day. There are many Iraqi's inside and outside of Iraq that are joining the forces agains the US and Brittain. Believe what you want, but it's happening. They were talking about how 0 people had come to the camps they set up for fleeing refugees but hundreds were coming back in to fight for Saddam. I'm just looking for an online link.

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03-25-2003, 05:10 PM

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Iraqi honor?

This should be interesting.

I'm curious to know actual numbers. They said hundreds on TV but and interviewed several of them.

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03-25-2003, 05:11 PM

I watch a lot of news, and I have never seen anyone interviewed that got out of Iraq that is loyal to saddam. In fact pretty much every one hated his guts and cant understand why leftists would oppose his removal.

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03-25-2003, 05:14 PM

Originally posted by rooster
I watch a lot of news, and I have never seen anyone interviewed that got out of Iraq that is loyal to saddam. In fact pretty much every one hated his guts and cant understand why leftists would oppose his removal.

Like I said, believe what you want. I'm looking for it for my own reading. They didn't show "hundreds" on TV but they did show 20 to 30 or so that were headed back. I believe they were coming in from Jordan and you can believe citizens of Jordan are against the US. All of the anti-American sentiment there isn't the same as them loving Saddam. They don't think we should invading their homeland regardless of Saddam.

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03-25-2003, 05:15 PM

Originally posted by rooster
I watch a lot of news, and I have never seen anyone interviewed that got out of Iraq that is loyal to saddam. In fact pretty much every one hated his guts and cant understand why leftists would oppose his removal.

Exactly. I've not seen one against the war to remove Saddam.

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03-25-2003, 05:16 PM

Originally posted by stocktrader23

Like I said, believe what you want. I'm looking for it for my own reading. They didn't show "hundreds" on TV but they did show 20 to 30 or so that were headed back. I believe they were coming in from Jordan and you can believe citizens of Jordan are against the US. All of the anti-American sentiment there isn't the same as them loving Saddam. They don't think we should invading their homeland regardless of Saddam.

http://www.msnbc.com/news/830732.asp

Two hours ago on Sky they said over 300 Iraqi soldiers were killed in the latest battle. Now it's anywhere between 150 and 200.

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03-25-2003, 05:17 PM

Originally posted by rooster
I watch a lot of news, and I have never seen anyone interviewed that got out of Iraq that is loyal to saddam. In fact pretty much every one hated his guts and cant understand why leftists would oppose his removal.

Because their families..their friends are still in Iraq and US and UK is not only killing Saddam!

The bombs you see on your TVs falling on Bagdat are not in a Hollywood movie!

This is WAR!

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03-25-2003, 05:19 PM

sadaam kills a hell of a lot more people than an errant bomb.

Life without saddaam will be a hell of a lot better for the people.

Appeasement of evil does not get rid of evil.

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03-25-2003, 05:19 PM

Originally posted by Delilah

Because their families..their friends are still in Iraq and US and UK is not only killing Saddam!

The bombs you see on your TVs falling on Bagdat are not in a Hollywood movie!

This is WAR!

Do you Americans really think that if you beat Saddam and take Iraq the terrorism will end?

Do not be stupid!..You are approaching fire with a fan!

What's the latest on the Turks in Northern Iraq? I haven't heard anything recently.

And why did they change their minds so suddenly about air space? All while refusing a several billion dollar aid package...

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03-25-2003, 05:21 PM

Originally posted by Sly_RJ

Two hours ago on Sky they said over 300 Iraqi soldiers were killed in the latest battle. Now it's anywhere between 150 and 200.

Media sucks.

Yes I know. I'm looking for a more detailed report on it. The one they run on MSNBC is only about a 1 minute spot but there are several inside and outside Iraq that do plan to fight the US. These people aren't the same as the ones that want 28k per soldier or fear for their life. It just doesn't get much news coverage at all. I'll try to bump this thread when it comes back on so you can judge for yourself though.

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03-25-2003, 05:21 PM

Originally posted by stocktrader23

Like I said, believe what you want. I'm looking for it for my own reading. They didn't show "hundreds" on TV but they did show 20 to 30 or so that were headed back. I believe they were coming in from Jordan and you can believe citizens of Jordan are against the US. All of the anti-American sentiment there isn't the same as them loving Saddam. They don't think we should invading their homeland regardless of Saddam.

http://www.msnbc.com/news/830732.asp

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03-25-2003, 05:22 PM

Lots of germans went back to defend germany during WWII, worked out real great for them

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03-25-2003, 05:23 PM

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03-25-2003, 05:26 PM

The only thing we heard along these lines are about the Iraqi's going back to help us as translators etc.

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03-25-2003, 05:28 PM

Originally posted by stocktrader23

Like I said, believe what you want. I'm looking for it for my own reading. They didn't show "hundreds" on TV but they did show 20 to 30 or so that were headed back. I believe they were coming in from Jordan and you can believe citizens of Jordan are against the US. All of the anti-American sentiment there isn't the same as them loving Saddam. They don't think we should invading their homeland regardless of Saddam.

http://www.msnbc.com/news/830732.asp

Yeh, looks like this definitely isn't a defending Saddam ordeal. More like defending their religious beliefs and political climate, so they think.

Geographically, Jordan is in a really shitty location. Right between Israel and Iraq, yikes.

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03-25-2003, 05:29 PM

Originally posted by ChrisH

Exactly. I've not seen one against the war to remove Saddam.

They do exist but it's not just people that came from Iraq. Much of the Arab nations despise the invasion.

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/...p?story=390841

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03-25-2003, 05:30 PM

Originally posted by Sly_RJ

Yeh, looks like this definitely isn't a defending Saddam ordeal. More like defending their religious beliefs and political climate, so they think.

Geographically, Jordan is in a really shitty location. Right between Israel and Iraq, yikes.

I agree, a ton of it has to do with religious beliefs.

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03-25-2003, 05:32 PM

Originally posted by Sly_RJ

What's the latest on the Turks in Northern Iraq? I haven't heard anything recently.

And why did they change their minds so suddenly about air space? All while refusing a several billion dollar aid package...

%95 of the Turkish people do not want to take place in war!
This is not our war...

Turkey is in a big economic crisses so the several billion dollar aid package seemed to be very good for the newly chosen parliamentary...

But at the end the parliamentary heard the people and do not let any country to buy our honor!

But there is another big problem in Turkey. North Iraqian people and mostly the Kurds living on north iraq believes that there is a country like kurdistan and fight for their rigths. Turkey lost 30.000 people from terror coming from kurds since the first war(kuwait-iraq)

Our army wants to be sure that no kurds will enter Turkey again and we do not want a new kurdish state in the north iraq.
Thats why we want to go through North iraq...

I heard that the US army ships which had gone away from our borders had stopped today... There are some rumors that these ships and US army will return back to Turkey these days. The Turkish media says that the American and brit armies decided to use north after they gave some losses at south...

But Turkish people do not want any other countries' soldiers in our country!

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03-25-2003, 05:34 PM

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03-25-2003, 05:38 PM

Originally posted by Delilah

Turkey is in a big economic crisses so the several billion dollar aid package seemed to be very good for the newly chosen parliamentary...

But at the end the parliamentary heard the people and do not let any country to buy our honor!

But there is another big problem in Turkey. North Iraqian people and mostly the Kurds living on north iraq believes that there is a country like kurdistan and fight for their rigths. Turkey lost 30.000 people from terror coming from kurds since the first war(kuwait-iraq)

That seems a little fishy to me.

As an outsider, it seems like Turkey first denied air rights for whatever reasons. Then all of a sudden they allowed air rights, for what seemed like no real reason... as soon as the coalition started using Turkish air space, the Turks crossed the border into Northern Iraq, where the Kurds are.

So basically, it looks like the Turks allowed the coalition to use air space as a sort of decoy, or even a weak bribe, so that the Turks could jump the border.

I just don't understand why the Turks would have suddenly changed their mind about something so critical, all while missing out on billions of dollars.

Seems like they have other motivations...

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03-25-2003, 05:39 PM

Although you man disregard the source this article give some good insight as to why Arab Nations and much of the world aren't so happy with the US invasion of Iraq. It's a good read regardless of what you think about it and should at least make you think about how the world perceives America.

http://www.csmonitor.com/2003/0325/p01s04-woiq.html

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03-25-2003, 05:40 PM

4600 Iraqis Heading Home To Fight Invaders

http://www.islamonline.net/english/N...rticle18.shtml

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03-25-2003, 05:41 PM

Originally posted by rooster
you have a great imagination

I finally found a report online about it.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/internatio...921351,00.html

Might be an eye opener for some.

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03-25-2003, 05:42 PM

Originally posted by Lizzie
4600 Iraqis Heading Home To Fight Invaders

http://www.islamonline.net/english/N...rticle18.shtml

Found one the same time you posted. Thanks for the link!

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03-25-2003, 05:43 PM

Assuming this is true and you are baffled at the reason these people want to fight.. remember that Muslim clerics have succeeded in convincing alot of people that this is a war against Islam, not Iraq.

Their success is the result of Bush's diplomatic idiocy in using the word "crusade" and then trying to frame this in God vs. Satan, Good vs. Evil type terminology.
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03-25-2003, 05:45 PM

Originally posted by Gutterboy
Assuming this is true and you are baffled at the reason these people want to fight.. remember that Muslim clerics have succeeded in convincing alot of people that this is a war against Islam, not Iraq.

Their success is the result of Bush diplomatic idiocy in using the word "crusade" and then trying to frame this in God vs. Satan, Good vs. Evil type terminology.

I'm not baffled by it at all. I've been hearing about the anti-American opinion from that region for awhile. Was just wondering what they based their numbers on etc. Found a couple of good ones.

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03-25-2003, 05:46 PM

Let 4000 dumbasses go and get slaughtered. 4000 out of millions isnt much.

Even in the usa about 30% of our citizens are worthless idiots.

Also, the conditions in Jordan arent all that much better than Iraq. How many iraq people living in the usa are going back. good luck with that.

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03-25-2003, 05:48 PM

Originally posted by rooster
Let 4000 dumbasses go and get slaughtered. 4000 out of millions isnt much.

Even in the usa about 30% of our citizens are worthless idiots.

We will see how many Iraqis are against this war only when we are confronted with them in Baghdad, etc. Have you ever considered that many of these "soldiers in civilian clothing" our news keeps reporting on might be in fact civilians?

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03-25-2003, 05:48 PM

Originally posted by rooster
Let 4000 dumbasses go and get slaughtered. 4000 out of millions isnt much.

Even in the usa about 30% of our citizens are worthless idiots.

Its funny how sacrificing for your beliefs or country is a noble end only when its your people dying, isn't it?

How many Americans would be willing to go to war against absolutely overwhelming odds and face almost certain death for their beliefs?

Bush chickened out even when the odds were on his side.
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03-25-2003, 05:48 PM

Originally posted by Gutterboy
Assuming this is true and you are baffled at the reason these people want to fight.. remember that Muslim clerics have succeeded in convincing alot of people that this is a war against Islam, not Iraq.

Their success is the result of Bush's diplomatic idiocy in using the word "crusade" and then trying to frame this in God vs. Satan, Good vs. Evil type terminology.

Absolutely.

You all can say Americans are stupid brainwashed sheep... but I'd wager that the people of the Middle East have us beat...

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03-25-2003, 05:49 PM

Originally posted by Sly_RJ

That seems a little fishy to me.

As an outsider, it seems like Turkey first denied air rights for whatever reasons. Then all of a sudden they allowed air rights, for what seemed like no real reason... as soon as the coalition started using Turkish air space, the Turks crossed the border into Northern Iraq, where the Kurds are.

So basically, it looks like the Turks allowed the coalition to use air space as a sort of decoy, or even a weak bribe, so that the Turks could jump the border.

I just don't understand why the Turks would have suddenly changed their mind about something so critical, all while missing out on billions of dollars.

Seems like they have other motivations...

America lost people at the 11th because of terrorism...
I guess you did not understand what 30.000 dead Turkish people means after the first iraq-US war.

We lost 30.000 because of the kurdish terrorism!
There are thousands of mothers that lost their children and thousands of children that lost their fathers...

Turkey is the first country that suffers for terrorism.We do not want terrorism!

Not to let kurdish terrorists to have a country next to us is much much more important for us than the billions of dollars...
After the first war at the iraq..the northern iraq has left free of control and all the kurdish terror camps were located there!

So we gave the air rights and crossed the border..
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03-25-2003, 05:51 PM

Originally posted by rooster
Also, the conditions in Jordan arent all that much better than Iraq. How many iraq people living in the usa are going back. good luck with that.

I noticed in one of the articles that some of the Iraqi "Crusaders" went to Jordan to place their families there, and are now going back to Iraq. At least that's what I got out of it...

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03-25-2003, 05:51 PM

Originally posted by Delilah

Turkey is the first country that suffers for terrorism.We do not want terrorism!

Not to let kurdish terrorists to have a country next to us is much much more important for us than the billions of dollars...
After the first war at the iraq..the northern iraq has left free of control and all the kurdish terror camps were located there!

So we gave the air rights and crossed the border..

You are from Turkey? Forget the news for a while and tell me what the view is of this invasion from that part of the world.

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03-25-2003, 05:55 PM

Originally posted by Sly_RJ

Absolutely.

You all can say Americans are stupid brainwashed sheep... but I'd wager that the people of the Middle East have us beat...

Yeah.. but think about it.. Americans at least have access to differing viewpoint should they choose to actually think about things independently. Suppose you've been raised all your life in Islam.. you regard the West and Christians with, at best, a suspicious eye.. you get all your information from the Islam controlled media and Clerics because they are your only source.. then one day you see a fundamentalist christian.. who happens to also be the leader of a powerful western country.. talking about a crusade against a Muslim nation.

You can hardly blame the poor schmucks.
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03-25-2003, 05:57 PM

Originally posted by Gutterboy

Yeah.. but think about it.. you've been raised all your life in Islam.. you regard the West and Christians with, at best, a suspicious eye.. you get all your information from the Islam controlled media and Clerics because they are your only source.. then one day you see a fundamentalist christian.. who happens to also be the leader of a powerful western country.. talking about a crusade against a Muslim nation.

You can hardly blame the poor schmucks.

Agreed but would also like to point out that most Americans only source of news is US controlled media and because of that propaganda now view many nations as terrorist hotbeds waiting to destroy America. It goes both ways but there will be simple minded morons everywhere that eat anything they are fed.

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03-25-2003, 05:58 PM

Originally posted by Gutterboy

Yeah.. but think about it.. Americans at least have access to differing viewpoint should they choose to actually think about things independently. Suppose you've been raised all your life in Islam.. you regard the West and Christians with, at best, a suspicious eye.. you get all your information from the Islam controlled media and Clerics because they are your only source.. then one day you see a fundamentalist christian.. who happens to also be the leader of a powerful western country.. talking about a crusade against a Muslim nation.

You can hardly blame the poor schmucks.

Dude we agree 100%. You just went into more detail.

Would be interesting to see how the Germans reacted after WWII...

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03-25-2003, 06:03 PM

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You are from Turkey? Forget the news for a while and tell me what the view is of this invasion from that part of the world.

%90 of the Turkish people do not want this war...And much more of them believes this is an invasion and people start to take place next to Iraqians after seeing the bombs falling on a country's capital city...

And these days the Turkish media started to accuse America...
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03-25-2003, 06:05 PM

Originally posted by Delilah

%90 of the Turkish people do not want this war...And much more of them believes this is an invasion and people start to take place next to Iraqians after seeing the bombs falling on a country's capital city...

And these days the Turkish media started to accuse America...

Thanks for the imput. Much better than trusting news sources from any region exclusively.

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03-25-2003, 06:22 PM

what's your fucking problem with your own country Stockboy that you spend all day looking for things that will show it a bad light, wishing harm to those who defend it with their lives?

Things haven't worked out very well for you in the good ol' USA so you're a bitter bitch now.

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03-25-2003, 06:25 PM

Originally posted by Mutt
what's your fucking problem with your own country Stockboy that you spend all day looking for things that will show it a bad light, wishing harm to those who defend it with their lives?

Things haven't worked out very well for you in the good ol' USA so you're a bitter bitch now.

I'd say every post of his in this thread is pretty objective and fairly informative. And even Gutterboy, whom I usually disagree with just about everything he says.

Relax man.

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03-25-2003, 06:30 PM

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03-25-2003, 06:43 PM

Originally posted by Mutt
what's your fucking problem with your own country Stockboy that you spend all day looking for things that will show it a bad light, wishing harm to those who defend it with their lives?

Things haven't worked out very well for you in the good ol' USA so you're a bitter bitch now.

WTF is your problem dude? Yea I really wish harm to the people defending my country, you can clearly see that by my posts.

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03-25-2003, 07:03 PM

Originally posted by Sly_RJ

Dude we agree 100%. You just went into more detail.

Would be interesting to see how the Germans reacted after WWII...

There was a psychologist by the name of Milgram who tried to prove after WWII that German people were somehow fundamentally predisposed to obediance to authority and sadism.. he wanted to explain how the atrocities of the holocaust were perpetrated.

http://designweb.otago.ac.nz/grant/psyc/OBEDIANCE.HTML

Result: Most normal people.. not just Germans.. could be coaxed to kill someone by an authority figure via gradually increasing electrical shock.

Worth reading

Milgrams experiment has been repeated too many times to reasonably doubt.

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