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03-23-2003, 10:49 PM

Holy shit.. check these fuckers out.
CDSmith mentions that he thinks Colin Powell is of negro descent. Uno replies it was jamaican.

Then a four page argument ensues that he is American.

So understand it now. You are NOT black. You are NOT jewish. You are NOT australian or english or any other fucking thing. If you're in the United States your ass is AMERICAN and thats it. Don't say anything else cause it's politically incorrect or just plain inaccurate. So sayeth the PCBBS.. so let it be.

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03-23-2003, 10:51 PM

I can't possibly be that crazy.

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03-23-2003, 10:55 PM

im belizean but an american citizen by choice.

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03-23-2003, 10:56 PM

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03-23-2003, 10:56 PM

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im belizean but an american citizen by choice.

No. You're american. You can't be anything else.

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03-23-2003, 10:58 PM

Last time I checked creed and nationality were not required to be the same. So if So-damn-insane moved to the states and became a citizen, he'd be an American instead of a .. Oh I shouldn't say what I was going to, but it started with sand and ended not so nice ;)

I skimmed that thread at uno's request earlier, stupidity it was. (Not on uno's part)

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03-23-2003, 10:58 PM

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No. You're american. You can't be anything else.

No no, he's not, nor can he ever be an american./joke

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03-23-2003, 10:59 PM

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No. You're american. You can't be anything else.

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03-23-2003, 10:59 PM

Originally posted by jact
Last time I checked creed and nationality were not required to be the same. So if So-damn-insane moved to the states and became a citizen, he'd be an American instead of a .. Oh I shouldn't say what I was going to, but it started with sand and ended not so nice ;)

I skimmed that thread at uno's request earlier, stupidity it was. (Not on uno's part)

I'll be god damned if they think i'll just quit cause i'm being bullied from all sides.

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03-23-2003, 11:01 PM

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I'll be god damned if they think i'll just quit cause i'm being bullied from all sides.

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03-23-2003, 11:01 PM

Actually, "political correctness" would dictate that you DO refer to people with hyphenated extracttion; ie, "African-American", "Irish-American", "Mexican-American", etc.

"Politically incorrect" would be denying someone's ethnicity by attempting to "squash" their cultutal differences or beliefs.

Personally, I think it's all stupid. Hyphenating stuff does <B>not</B> help you "keep in touch with your roots", it only leads to divisiveness. If you were born in America, you are American. That's not a bad statement. If you don't like being American you are always free to emigrate elsewhere. If you come to the USA from elsewhere and become a citizen, you are American. So what? If you went to all the trouble of becoming a citizen, you obviously <I>wanted</I> to be an American.

Don't even get me started on those pretentious bullshit last names like "Smithfield-Corbenson" and "Hitzwelder-Marplethorpe".

Disclaimer: Sorry if I offend anyone with one of those pretentious bullshit last names. It probably isn't your fault, maybe not even your parents fault, but somewhere along the line you have a smarmy ancestor who could have used five across the eyes.

Edit: before I catch a lot of bullshit, I should point out that I am not 100% purebred American, either. My father is not from the USA and neither are my grandparents on my mother's side. I am Irish and Slovenian, but I above all I am American. That's just the way it is and it isn't a bad thing to be.

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03-23-2003, 11:03 PM

ehh ok..
Colin Powell is Rastafarian-American.

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03-23-2003, 11:04 PM

Originally posted by SpaceAce
Actually, "political correctness" would dictate that you DO refer to people with hyphenated extracttion; ie, "African-American", "Irish-American", "Mexican-American", etc.

"Politically incorrect" would be denying someone's ethnicity by attempting to "squash" their cultutal differences or beliefs.

Personally, I think it's all stupid. Hyphenating stuff does <B>not</B> help you "keep in touch with your roots", it only leeds to divisiveness. If you were born in America, you are American. That's not a bad statement. If you don't like being American you are always free to emigrate elsewhere. If you come to the USA from elsewhere and become a citizen, you are American. So what? If you went to all the trouble of beomcing a citizen, you obviously <I>wanted</I> to be an American.

Don't even get me started on those pretentious bullshit last names like "Smithfield-Corbenson" and "Hitzwelder-Marplethorpe".

Disclaimer: Sorry if I offend anyone with one of those pretentious bullshit last names. It probably isn't your fault, maybe not even your parents fault, but somewhere along the line you have a smarmy ancestor who could have used five across the eyes.

Edit: before I catch a lot of bullshit, I should point out that I am not 100% purebred American, either. My father is not from the USA and neither are my grandparents on my mother's side. I am Irish and Slovenian, but I above all I am American. That's just the way it is and it isn't a bad thing to be.

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03-23-2003, 11:04 PM

Originally posted by Brujah
ehh ok..
Colin Powell is Rastafarian-American.

Haha! I'd love to see him in some dreds blazing up a Marley.

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03-23-2003, 11:05 PM

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Great points.

Thanks, I generally expect the first reply to anything I post to be a flame. That was a nice change

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03-23-2003, 11:06 PM

Originally posted by Brujah
ehh ok..
Colin Powell is Rastafarian-American.

Ok, now my head is spinning. Is he allowed to be a hyphenated american? So damn complex.

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03-23-2003, 11:07 PM

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03-23-2003, 11:08 PM

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Haha! I'd love to see him in some dreds blazing up a Marley.

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03-23-2003, 11:13 PM

Yes it was one of those thread that started out just fine.

Da Uno started causing shit with just about anyone who would reply to him over there a few days ago.

Made such an ass of himself it doesn't matter much what he says now - they all just jump all over him.

He asked for it - takes a while for the young ones to learn I guess.

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03-23-2003, 11:14 PM

Originally posted by SpaceAce
Actually, "political correctness" would dictate that you DO refer to people with hyphenated extracttion; ie, "African-American", "Irish-American", "Mexican-American", etc.

"Politically incorrect" would be denying someone's ethnicity by attempting to "squash" their cultutal differences or beliefs.

Personally, I think it's all stupid. Hyphenating stuff does <B>not</B> help you "keep in touch with your roots", it only leads to divisiveness. If you were born in America, you are American. That's not a bad statement. If you don't like being American you are always free to emigrate elsewhere. If you come to the USA from elsewhere and become a citizen, you are American. So what? If you went to all the trouble of becoming a citizen, you obviously <I>wanted</I> to be an American.

Don't even get me started on those pretentious bullshit last names like "Smithfield-Corbenson" and "Hitzwelder-Marplethorpe".

Disclaimer: Sorry if I offend anyone with one of those pretentious bullshit last names. It probably isn't your fault, maybe not even your parents fault, but somewhere along the line you have a smarmy ancestor who could have used five across the eyes.

Edit: before I catch a lot of bullshit, I should point out that I am not 100% purebred American, either. My father is not from the USA and neither are my grandparents on my mother's side. I am Irish and Slovenian, but I above all I am American. That's just the way it is and it isn't a bad thing to be.

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03-23-2003, 11:17 PM

Originally posted by Brujah
So understand it now. You are NOT black. You are NOT jewish. You are NOT australian or english or any other fucking thing. If you're in the United States your ass is AMERICAN and thats it.

This is actually the reality of it. The USA has always and always will be a "melting pot". No matter where you come from, before you can become a citizen you take the pledge. Tell me, what does that pledge say about being an American?

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03-23-2003, 11:19 PM

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Yes it was one of those thread that started out just fine.

Da Uno started causing shit with just about anyone who would reply to him over there a few days ago.

Made such an ass of himself it doesn't matter much what he says now - they all just jump all over him.

He asked for it - takes a while for the young ones to learn I guess.

Making corrections and asking for sources and questioning isn't 'starting shit'.

People have just been getting on my case cause i'm pretty vehemently anti-war.

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03-23-2003, 11:21 PM

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I'm beginning to like you.

LOL, I wasn't aware you didn't like me before but I'll take progress however I can get it

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03-23-2003, 11:22 PM

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LOL, I wasn't aware you didn't like me before but I'll take progress however I can get it

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03-23-2003, 11:23 PM

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You are moving up by leaps and bounds today eh?

Heh, it looks like it I guess it just takes a while for my natural charm to overcome my big mouth

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03-23-2003, 11:26 PM

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This is actually the reality of it. The USA has always and always will be a "melting pot". No matter where you come from, before you can become a citizen you take the pledge. Tell me, what does that pledge say about being an American?

Does it say that you renounce your ancestry ? When asked, you should not reply with "I'm Italian" or "I'm Jewish", but with I'm American ?

I think Dave got it right by admitting he was just arguing because people wanted to argue with Uno and the actual content of the argument didn't really matter.

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03-23-2003, 11:27 PM

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Making corrections and asking for sources and questioning isn't 'starting shit'.

People have just been getting on my case cause i'm pretty vehemently anti-war.

If you say so. But seems to me like there is a lot more to it than that. You don't make friends well do you? Seems you could say how you feel without making so many people think you are foolish. I just read there where you said that "you were right" and they ALL were wrong? A little full of yourself aren't you?

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03-23-2003, 11:29 PM

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If you say so. But seems to me like there is a lot more to it than that. You don't make friends well do you? Seems you could say how you feel without making so many people think you are foolish. I just read there where you said that "you were right" and they ALL were wrong? A little full of yourself aren't you?

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03-23-2003, 11:30 PM

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If you say so. But seems to me like there is a lot more to it than that. You don't make friends well do you? Seems you could say how you feel without making so many people think you are foolish. I just read there where you said that "you were right" and they ALL were wrong? A little full of yourself aren't you?

I have plenty of friends. Try to find someone that went to vegas that didn't like me. Go ahead, try.

All that were arguing with me were wrong, yes. I don't consider that as full of myself.

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03-23-2003, 11:32 PM

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pot.. kettle?

What do you mean by that Jact ?

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03-23-2003, 11:34 PM

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What do you mean by that Jact ?

Have you ever read half your posts? HAHA.

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03-23-2003, 11:36 PM

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Have you ever read half your posts? HAHA.

I have, and I don't believe he has.

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03-23-2003, 11:39 PM

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Have you ever read half your posts? HAHA.

No - I just write them...?

HAHA

I'm not sure what your problem is - I don't recall ever having a conversation with you other than once about buying content from you. I'm not sure why you have a problem with me, or what you don't like about my posts.

If you agree with everything Uno says - I can understand why you wouldn't like me a bit though.

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03-23-2003, 11:41 PM

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No - I just write them...?

HAHA

I'm not sure what your problem is - I don't recall ever having a conversation with you other than once about buying content from you. I'm not sure why you have a problem with me, or what you don't like about my posts.

If you agree with everything Uno says - I can understand why you wouldn't like me a bit though.

I saw no where that said he had a problem with you, nor have I ever said I don't like you.

Not everyone reads what they write.

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03-23-2003, 11:41 PM

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Does it say that you renounce your ancestry ? When asked, you should not reply with "I'm Italian" or "I'm Jewish", but with I'm American ?

I think Dave got it right by admitting he was just arguing because people wanted to argue with Uno and the actual content of the argument didn't really matter.

Hm, I just went and read the first few posts in that thread. I think uno is right.

First off, no one is saying renounce your ancestry. Your ancestry is where you come from. It may be who your parents are. It isn't who you are. If you were born in America, you're American. To say Colin Powell is Jamaican is like saying Bush is African. Like it or not, it looks like we all come from Africa. How far back do you go to decide someone's status? If you want to play ancestry games, we're all Pangean and further back than that, we are all from the ocean (I'd say Oceanic, but that's already a name for a continent).

Ancestry is ancestry. It is what came before, not what is now.

It may not be politically correct to say so, but someone born in Georgia and raised in Utah is not African; or Irish; or Icelandic. You're an American who happens to be able to trace your family to Ireland or Iceland. There is nothing wrong with knowing your past or celebrating your traditions, but you're still American.

By the way, the word "American" by its very definition really means "Irish or African or Chinese or Icelandic or Scottish or Portugese or Brazilian or Mexican or Iraqi or Sudanese or Jordanian or Slovenian or Polish..." because that's what America is.

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03-23-2003, 11:42 PM

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No - I just write them...?

HAHA

I'm not sure what your problem is - I don't recall ever having a conversation with you other than once about buying content from you. I'm not sure why you have a problem with me, or what you don't like about my posts.

If you agree with everything Uno says - I can understand why you wouldn't like me a bit though.

I don't have a problem, I just tired of all those political threads over there that seemed to always go the same way. I'm right, you're wrong, blah blah. Never understood the whole right wing left wing stuff, guess it's the fault of how our government is.

It isn't that I agree with everything that uno says, I just happen to agree with him on some or all of what he said in that thread (I didn't read the whole thread so I'm not commiting to all).

And that conversation was with my wife ;)

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03-23-2003, 11:49 PM

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I don't have a problem, I just tired of all those political threads over there that seemed to always go the same way. I'm right, you're wrong, blah blah. Never understood the whole right wing left wing stuff, guess it's the fault of how our government is.

It isn't that I agree with everything that uno says, I just happen to agree with him on some or all of what he said in that thread (I didn't read the whole thread so I'm not commiting to all).

And that conversation was with my wife ;)

I'm still not real sure about the Pot and the Kettle crack -

especially from someone who doesn't understand "the whole right wing left wing stuff". It is the foundation for how decisions are made in this Country - you know, the 2-party system? The arguments between the 2 have been going on for over 200 years and provides the balance that keeps either side from going power crazy. It's a GOOD thing.

No offence - but you said yourself, you never even read the whole thread and are making judgements.

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03-23-2003, 11:53 PM

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I'm still not real sure about the Pot and the Kettle crack -

especially from someone who doesn't understand "the whole right wing left wing stuff". It is the foundation for how decisions are made in this Country - you know, the 2-party system? The arguments between the 2 have been going on for over 200 years and provides the balance that keep either side from going poer crazy. It's a GOOD thing.

No offence - but you said yourself, you never even read the whole thread and are making judgements.

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I'm just going to bow out. You're right Dave, like usual. Yup.. Uhhuh.. Okay.. Sure.. Riiiiiight. Okay.. Night night.

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03-23-2003, 11:56 PM

Originally posted by toodamnfli
im belizean but an american citizen by choice.

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03-23-2003, 11:57 PM

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I'm just going to bow out. You're right Dave, like usual. Yup.. Uhhuh.. Okay.. Sure.. Riiiiiight. Okay.. Night night.

Sorry you took it that way... I meant to offence to you Jact.

Political arguments are OK - you don't have to participate, you don't have to understand both sides - but there is no need to condem those who actually enjoy them, or to act shitty towards me.

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03-23-2003, 11:58 PM

There was this TV show once, where someone referred to a Person on the panel as being a "black person." One of the PC ultraliberals corrected him that the person was "African-American." The dark-skinned man looked peeved and reminded the liberal that he was actually British, not American. So, now we have African-British in addition to African-American?

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03-23-2003, 11:59 PM

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I'm still not real sure about the Pot and the Kettle crack -

especially from someone who doesn't understand "the whole right wing left wing stuff". It is the foundation for how decisions are made in this Country - you know, the 2-party system? The arguments between the 2 have been going on for over 200 years and provides the balance that keeps either side from going power crazy. It's a GOOD thing.

No offence - but you said yourself, you never even read the whole thread and are making judgements.

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Um, petty bickering between two sides and the constant "party-line" attitude that keeps Democrats voting Democrat and Republicans voting Republican despite the merits of any given candidate or issue is not even remotely a "good thing".

The two party system is better than the one party system but not nearly as good as the three or more party system. With a third (or fourth or fifth) party, there is room in the middle. All we have now is two groups of people standing on either side of an invisible line screaming and pointing fingers at each other.

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03-24-2003, 12:03 AM

Originally posted by SpaceAce

Um, petty bickering between two sides and the constant "party-line" attitude that keeps Democrats voting Democrat and Republicans voting Republican despite the merits of any given candidate or issue is not even remotely a "good thing".

The two party system is better than the one party system but not nearly as good as the three or more party system. With a third (or fourth or fifth) party, there is room in the middle. All we have now is two groups of people standing on either side of an invisible line screaming and pointing fingers at each other.

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If you say so....

In a few decades, we may have a 3 or 4 party system - right now, I think if you really want to get anything done and really want to be effective, you have to work within the 2 parties.

And political debate is a wonderful thing -... it's SO American

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03-24-2003, 12:05 AM

Originally posted by SpaceAce

Um, petty bickering between two sides and the constant "party-line" attitude that keeps Democrats voting Democrat and Republicans voting Republican despite the merits of any given candidate or issue is not even remotely a "good thing".

The two party system is better than the one party system but not nearly as good as the three or more party system. With a third (or fourth or fifth) party, there is room in the middle. All we have now is two groups of people standing on either side of an invisible line screaming and pointing fingers at each other.

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Let's imagine a 3-party system. Party A can get 45% of the vote, Party B another 45% while Party C can only get 10% of the vote. Which party is the most powerful in this system? Party C, because it casts the swing vote and any party hoping to win has to give it what it wants.

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03-24-2003, 12:08 AM

Originally posted by DavePlays

I'm still not real sure about the Pot and the Kettle crack -

especially from someone who doesn't understand "the whole right wing left wing stuff". It is the foundation for how decisions are made in this Country - you know, the 2-party system? The arguments between the 2 have been going on for over 200 years and provides the balance that keeps either side from going power crazy. It's a GOOD thing.

No offence - but you said yourself, you never even read the whole thread and are making judgements.

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After the first page or two its all basically the same.

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03-24-2003, 12:09 AM

Originally posted by DavePlays
or to act shitty towards me.

There is more of that pot calling the kettle black stuff he was referring to.

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03-24-2003, 12:12 AM

Originally posted by DavePlays

If you say so....

In a few decades, we may have a 3 or 4 party system - right now, I think if you really want to get anything done and really want to be effective, you have to work within the 2 parties.

And political debate is a wonderful thing -... it's SO American

It would have happened if Ross Perot wouldn't have dropped out of the race twice the first time he ran. Not saying he would have won, but he would have had a much larger portion of the vote.

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03-24-2003, 12:13 AM

Originally posted by DavePlays

If you say so....

In a few decades, we may have a 3 or 4 party system - right now, I think if you really want to get anything done and really want to be effective, you have to work within the 2 parties.

And political debate is a wonderful thing -... it's SO American

If I say so? Name any instance where less choices and less representation of different ideas is better.

Right now, being forced to work within the two parties <B>is</B> the problem. You're right, political debate is very American and right now, the debate is limited to Democratic rhetoric and Republican rhetoric. There are a great many people not served by either. For instance, I identify and agree with Democratic ideas about personal freedom. However, I am firmly on the Republican side of the fence as far as our military is concerned. I don't think EITHER party is even close on thingslike health care or general finance. There are other parties that represent my ideas better than either Republicans or Democrats, but because of the stranglehold the two-party system has on our government, I am forced to basically pick the one I disagree with the least.

There is no way that two parties forever at odds with each other can possibly accurately represent all or even most of a country with 280 million people in it. Far from keeping in balance, one party usually has a majority of control in the nation and the other party spends all its time trying to thwart the first party's efforts. Then, when power shifts, the thwarters become the thwartees and the cycle repeats ad infinitum.

The only reason it will take decades to get a real and viable third party into American politics is because of the close-mindedness of the rabid two-partiers who believe you are either Republican or Democrat with nothing in between.

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03-24-2003, 12:14 AM

Originally posted by uno
It would have happened if Ross Perot wouldn't have dropped out of the race twice the first time he ran. Not saying he would have won, but he would have had a much larger portion of the vote.

I think he never intended to win. I think he only wanted to stir up shit and it went further than he expected.

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