Originally posted by Joe Sixpack Saddam killed two million people.
This Iraqi wanker is the Serge of the airwaves.
he did you stupid shit. with massive wars with IRan and Kuwait he has killed well over 2 million. Go read a fucking history book then come back here and laught . you dumb shit
he did you stupid shit. with massive wars with IRan and Kuwait he has killed well over 2 million. Go read a fucking history book then come back here and laught . you dumb shit
outside of war well into the 100 000's from his gas attacks on the kurds to his prisons that hold political prisoners and never let them go.
How many did the US kill ? probably even more but i am not saying the US is good. I can atlest say that in many cases the US was trying to either defend itself ww2 or do the right thing like in this war
Originally posted by Seaz
How many did the US kill ? probably even more but i am not saying the US is good. I can atlest say that in many cases the US was trying to either defend itself ww2 or do the right thing like in this war
Yeah. Like in Vietnam. They were defending themselves on the other side of the world
Yeah. Like in Vietnam. They were defending themselves on the other side of the world
You're a moron.
LOL you added in vietnam after i posted you little shit . you edited and !!! i said WW2 you dumbshit ! when are you gonna stop making yourself look like a dumbass and realize i never said the US is pure and good i just said saddam is a modern day hitler
LOL you added in vietnam after i posted you little shit . you edited and !!! i said WW2 you dumbshit ! when are you gonna stop making yourself look like a dumbass and realize i never said the US is pure and good i just said saddam is a modern day hitler
I fucking hate tree hugging bitches like that.... she don't know her mouth from her asshole...... stuipid bitches... see why I blow loads on them for a living......
You talked about how many Saddam has killed in war.
I referred to how many the US killed in Vietnam.
What's the difference? War is war.
Now, how many has Saddam killed outside of war?
And I'm not talking about convicted criminals. I'm talking about people unjustly killed.
Come on... throw me a link, genius!
Prove your point.
This Thread was about saddam you went of subject
War is War ? not when someone liberates a country, It becomes a just war
Convicted criminals LOL there political prisoners there in there cus they want a better world .. the criminals are the rapist and murderers that run IRaq
And how many did saddam kill outside of war .. I TOLD YOu 100 000's including many chemical attacks on the kurds killing them 5000 at a time over and over.
Link .. go read a book . you find a link saying saddam is a nice guy and il find 10 000 saying he is the devil
War is War ? not when someone liberates a country, It becomes a just war
Convicted criminals LOL there political prisoners there in there cus they want a better world .. the criminals are the rapist and murderers that run IRaq
And how many did saddam kill outside of war .. I TOLD YOu 100 000's including many chemical attacks on the kurds killing them 5000 at a time over and over.
Link .. go read a book . you find a link saying saddam is a nice guy and il find 10 000 saying he is the devil
You really are an uneducated moron.
You can't even make any sense let alone construct a cohesive argument.
You can't even make any sense let alone construct a cohesive argument.
You are an abject failure. I laugh at you.
lol what did i say thats false ? all you are doing is asking more questions .
Like how many did he kill ?
you dont even know whats happening in Iraq and your defending saddam.
Argument ? you start talking about vietnam . WTF does that have to do with anything ?
answer my questions.
#1 What has saddam done thats good for IRAQ
#2 What was Iraq like before saddam was there (i know the answer but id really like you to find out)
#3 How does vietnam relate to this war ?
Originally posted by boneprone but seriously I had no idea they are assuming 2 million dead.
amazing.
Shocking.....
was a prety long war man. With carpet bombings and lots of artilery. I really wouldent be suprised. Remember the chemical spray they used !
I dont support the vietnam war but i do the gorl.
the us is neither bad or good but it does go tru good goverments and bad. so depending on who is in office we can either have just wars or really fucked up ones
Joe does bring up some good arguments, maybe he's a school teacher and brings up topics like this to have the kids write about and learn how to justify something that is right even when history points that this has been in the wrong before.
He reminds me of one of those college teachers that brings shit up just to get people thinking.
And then those people come out to the streets of portland to protest becasue they cant think of an argument they come and break shit and to fuck up my car during a protest for "peace"..
lol what did i say thats false ? all you are doing is asking more questions .
Like how many did he kill ?
you dont even know whats happening in Iraq and your defending saddam.
Argument ? you start talking about vietnam . WTF does that have to do with anything ?
answer my questions.
#1 What has saddam done thats good for IRAQ
#2 What was Iraq like before saddam was there (i know the answer but id really like you to find out)
#3 How does vietnam relate to this war ?
#1
Beginning in 1976, with the Baath firmly in power and after the Kurdish rebellion had been successfully quelled, Saddam Husayn set out to consolidate his position at home by strengthening the economy. He pursued a state-sponsored industrial modernization program that tied an increasing number of Iraqis to the Baath-controlled government. Saddam Husayn's economic policies were largely successful; they led to a wider distribution of wealth, to greater social mobility, to increased access to education and health care, and to the redistribution of land. The quadrupling of oil prices in 1973 and the subsequent oil price rises brought on by the 1979 Islamic Revolution in Iran greatly enhanced the success of Saddam Husayn's program. The more equitable distribution of income tied to the ruling party many Iraqis who had previously opposed the central government. For the first time in modern Iraqi history, a government--albeit at times a ruthless one, had thus achieved some success in forging a national community out of the country's disparate social elements.
#2
A largely socialist republic run by Brigadier Abd al Karim Qasim and Colonel Abd as Salaam Arif.
#3
You said Saddam killed two million. Most of those were in the war with Iran. I said war doesn't count and pointed out how many the US have killed in war.
Beginning in 1976, with the Baath firmly in power and after the Kurdish rebellion had been successfully quelled, Saddam Husayn set out to consolidate his position at home by strengthening the economy. He pursued a state-sponsored industrial modernization program that tied an increasing number of Iraqis to the Baath-controlled government. Saddam Husayn's economic policies were largely successful; they led to a wider distribution of wealth, to greater social mobility, to increased access to education and health care, and to the redistribution of land. The quadrupling of oil prices in 1973 and the subsequent oil price rises brought on by the 1979 Islamic Revolution in Iran greatly enhanced the success of Saddam Husayn's program. The more equitable distribution of income tied to the ruling party many Iraqis who had previously opposed the central government. For the first time in modern Iraqi history, a government--alb
eit at times a ruthless one, had thus achieved some success in forging a national community out of the country's disparate social elements.
#2
A largely socialist republic run by Brigadier Abd al Karim Qasim and Colonel Abd as Salaam Arif.
#3
You said Saddam killed two million. Most of those were in the war with Iran. I said war doesn't count and pointed out how many the US have killed in war.
Iraq has been subjected to a totalitarian regime since July 1968, when Saddam Hussein seized power in the name of the Ba'th Party. Since then Saddam has plundered the resources of this nation for both internal and external aggression. Iraq is a wealthy nation with plentiful oil resources, but the Iraqi regime chooses to use those resources for violence. Iraq devoted 37.9% of its oil money to military expenditures in 1975, 75% in 1980, 177% in 1985, and 89% in 1989.
In 1980 and 1991, Iraq invaded two of its neighbors. The war against Iran, lasted from September 1980 to August 1988, during which hundreds of thousands died on both sides, and Saddam used chemical weapons on numerous occasions.
In August 1991 Saddam plunged Iraqis into a second war. The destruction on Iraq by the allied bombing and invasion, and the sanctions regime imposed as a result of the Iraqi leadership's policies, has killed an unknown number of civilians, set back Iraq's development by decades, and reduced an otherwise wealthy nation to a state of poverty.
Saddam is also responsible for a long history of internal repression against the Iraqi people. Mass murder, execution, torture, "disappearances," rape, and forced deportation are all used against real or imagined enemies to the state. In 1975, the Saddam waged his first war against the Kurdish citizens of Iraq, and in 1987, the regime carried out the notorious "Anfal" campaign that killed thousands of Kurds, with 100,000-180,000 more deemed "disappeared". In 1988 the regime used chemical weapons against the Kurdish town of Halabja, killing over 5,000 civilians and wounding thousands more.
In March 1991, immediately following the Gulf war, the Iraqi regime turned its Republican Guard units against citizens who had risen in rebellion against the regime - partly at the urging of the Allies. But without support form Allied forces, most of these people were massacered by Saddam's forces. In the south, the regime's defense minister bragged that the Republican Guard had killed 300,000 people.
Human rights abuses by the state are practiced daily in Iraq, against all sectors of the population indiscriminately. The prisons are overflowing, and the regime periodically conducts "prison-cleaning": mass executions to reduce the population of inmates. Officers and officials are executed regularly for their alleged involvement in conspiracies. In 1993, the International Commission of Jurists said that the human rights situation inside Iraq is worse than any country since the end of World War II
Iraq has been subjected to a totalitarian regime since July 1968, when Saddam Hussein seized power in the name of the Ba'th Party. Since then Saddam has plundered the resources of this nation for both internal and external aggression. Iraq is a wealthy nation with plentiful oil resources, but the Iraqi regime chooses to use those resources for violence. Iraq devoted 37.9% of its oil money to military expenditures in 1975, 75% in 1980, 177% in 1985, and 89% in 1989.
In 1980 and 1991, Iraq invaded two of its neighbors. The war against Iran, lasted from September 1980 to August 1988, during which hundreds of thousands died on both sides, and Saddam used chemical weapons on numerous occasions.
In August 1991 Saddam plunged Iraqis into a second war. The destruction on Iraq by the allied bombing and invasion, and the sanctions regime imposed as a result of the Iraqi leadership's policies, has killed an unknown number of civilians, set back Iraq's development by decades, and reduced an otherwise wealthy nation to a state of poverty.
Saddam is also responsible for a long history of internal repression against the Iraqi people. Mass murder, execution, torture, "disappearances," rape, and forced deportation are all used against real or imagined enemies to the state. In 1975, the Saddam waged his first war against the Kurdish citizens of Iraq, and in 1987, the regime carried out the notorious "Anfal" campaign that killed thousands of Kurds, with 100,000-180,000 more deemed "disappeared". In 1988 the regime used chemical weapons against the Kurdish town of Halabja, killing over 5,000 civilians and wounding thousands more.
In March 1991, immediately following the Gulf war, the Iraqi regime turned its Republican Guard units against citizens who had risen in rebellion against the regime - partly at the urging of the Allies. But without support form Allied forces, most of these people were massacered by Saddam's forces. In the south, the regime's defense minister bragged that the Republican Guard had killed 300,000 people.
Human rights abuses by the state are practiced daily in Iraq, against all sectors of the population indiscriminately. The prisons are overflowing, and the regime periodically conducts "prison-cleaning": mass executions to reduce the population of inmates. Officers and officials are executed regularly for their alleged involvement in conspiracies. In 1993, the International Commission of Jurists said that the human rights situation inside Iraq is worse than any country since the end of World War II
The link was not to justify vietnam, but to show how your opinion and what you think cant possibly look at the whole issue. Take out Vietnam and insert Iraq, anti-War protestors havnt changed.
Full text of President Bush's Speech to the United Nations on September 12, 2002.
List of U.N. Security Council Resolutions related to Iraq.
List of U.N. Presidential Statements regarding Iraq.
U.N. Report on Iraq's human rights violations.
Saddam's Use of Weapons of Mass Destruction
The definitive Jeffrey Goldberg/New Yorker article on Saddam Hussein's use of Napalm and chemical weapons on the Kurds (his own people).
An Iraqi defector's account of Saddam's chemical and "dirty nuke" capabilities.
Another account of an Iraqi defector and his tales of Saddam's weapons program.
Another account of and Iraqi defector's story from the Iraqi National Congress.
Stockholm International Peace Research Institute report on Iraq's use of chemical weapons during the Iran-Iraq war.
Satellite photos of Saddam's nuclear facilities.
The British government's report on Iraq's weapons program.
December, 2002 confirmation of Saddam's chemical weapons program.
Op-ed by a defector detailing Saddam's efforts to thwart inspections.
Saddam's oppression of his own people
New York Times article on the genocide in Iraq.
Human Righst Abuses in Iraq, from the British government.
French Human Rights Groups report on Saddam's "massive and systematic" human rights violations.
A list of Saddam's human rights violations from the Iraq Foundation.
A general list of reports on Iraq from Human Rights Watch.
Excellent article from the Atlantic on Saddam's cruelty.
Saddam's support for terrorism
Christopher Hitchens article on Saddam's links to Ansar-al Islam.
William Safire article on Saddam's links to Al Qaeda.
British report that Saddam trained Al Qaeda terrorists.
Excellent piece from The Indepundit about Saddam's links to terrorism.
Saddam's support of terrorism, from the Iraq Foundation.
White House factsheet on saddam's support of international terrorism.
INC report on saddam's links to terrorist groups.
Possible link between Al Qaeda and attacks in Iraqi kurdistan.
CIA director's testimony on Iraq-Al Qaeda links.
More evidence of Al Qaeda joining Iraq in Kurdistan
Profile of the individuals involved in the Iraq-AlQaeda-Kurdistan conflict
Iraq's support for Palestinian terrorism, and the murder of an American citizen.
you call this a serious article these are my souces
Iraq and the U.N.
Full text of President Bush's Speech to the United Nations on September 12, 2002.
List of U.N. Security Council Resolutions related to Iraq.
List of U.N. Presidential Statements regarding Iraq.
U.N. Report on Iraq's human rights violations.
Saddam's Use of Weapons of Mass Destruction
The definitive Jeffrey Goldberg/New Yorker article on Saddam Hussein's use of Napalm and chemical weapons on the Kurds (his own people).
An Iraqi defector's account of Saddam's chemical and "dirty nuke" capabilities.
Another account of an Iraqi defector and his tales of Saddam's weapons program.
Another account of and Iraqi defector's story from the Iraqi National Congress.
Stockholm International Peace Research Institute report on Iraq's use of chemical weapons during the Iran-Iraq war.
Satellite photos of Saddam's nuclear facilities.
The British government's report on Iraq's weapons program.
December, 2002 confirmation of Saddam's chemical weapons program.
Op-ed by a defector detailing Saddam's efforts to thwart inspections.
Saddam's oppression of his own people
New York Times article on the genocide in Iraq.
Human Righst Abuses in Iraq, from the British government.
French Human Rights Groups report on Saddam's "massive and systematic" human rights violations.
A list of Saddam's human rights violations from the Iraq Foundation.
A general list of reports on Iraq from Human Rights Watch.
Excellent article from the Atlantic on Saddam's cruelty.
Saddam's support for terrorism
Christopher Hitchens article on Saddam's links to Ansar-al Islam.
William Safire article on Saddam's links to Al Qaeda.
British report that Saddam trained Al Qaeda terrorists.
Excellent piece from The Indepundit about Saddam's links to terrorism.
Saddam's support of terrorism, from the Iraq Foundation.
White House factsheet on saddam's support of international terrorism.
INC report on saddam's links to terrorist groups.
Possible link between Al Qaeda and attacks in Iraqi kurdistan.
CIA director's testimony on Iraq-Al Qaeda links.
More evidence of Al Qaeda joining Iraq in Kurdistan
Profile of the individuals involved in the Iraq-AlQaeda-Kurdistan conflict
Iraq's support for Palestinian terrorism, and the murder of an American citizen.
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