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Why DOES sexkey convert better?!?

01-04-2003, 05:07 AM

Right, I send some of my members area traffic to free avs'.

Sexkey stats said I was converting at 1 in 13 clicks on average.

I signed up for freeagecard, I made no changes to my presell, simply a different free avs. After 40 clicks, still no sale!?!

This is premium traffic, small quantity of the highest quality...

Why is sex key converting better?!? I can't understand it
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01-04-2003, 05:10 AM

Is the other AVS FreeAgeCard? SK is truly free (they get a free trial to their paysite, but they can cancel and still keep the SK membership), but with FAC they have to buy a month at their paysite (for $40 or whatever) before they get their AVS pass.
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01-04-2003, 05:11 AM

The processor ? Name recognition ?

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01-04-2003, 05:14 AM

Lethal, do they really have to buy a month first?!? that fucking sucks! and is surely the answer...

Anyone know an AVS LIKE sexkey - free signup and payout for free join... BUT pays out recurring commissions on the back end?
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01-04-2003, 05:15 AM

The processor ? Name recognition ?

The processor could have something to do with it... I think its the reason Lethal posted if that is really the case.
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01-04-2003, 05:19 AM

Originally posted by cheekycherry
Lethal, do they really have to buy a month first?!? that fucking sucks! and is surely the answer...

Anyone know an AVS LIKE sexkey - free signup and payout for free join... BUT pays out recurring commissions on the back end?

1) Yes
2) No

Bear in mind that if you are getting a recurring payout it is the profit per click over a period of time that becomes an issue. Some people make more money with poorer ratios but the higher recurring payout.

*cough* cross sells *cough*
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01-04-2003, 05:28 AM

Yeah, good point mate...

But I like to look after my customers the best I can and making them pay for a free porn section sux...

Back to sexkey it is then...

I just love the idea of a recurring payout, even if they didn't pay me up front I wouldn't care. I just want that recurring.
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01-04-2003, 05:36 AM

Then get your initial bling from the SK pass and then filter them to a targeted recurring sponsor... I imagine you'd get better retention that way anyway.
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01-04-2003, 05:38 AM

That sound too complicated for me... The income I make from SK is only spare change anyway, I just wanted to know if I could make it into a decent monthly chunk and I guess recurring could do that.
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01-04-2003, 06:20 AM

In FAC program members doesen't pay anything first month. They're subscribed to something, but the first month is free.

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01-04-2003, 06:28 AM

No.
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01-04-2003, 07:34 AM

Originally posted by cheekycherry

I just love the idea of a recurring payout, even if they didn't pay me up front I wouldn't care. I just want that recurring.

You don't want your surfers to pay for the AVS pass but you want recurring $$?
What percentage of zero would you like to make?

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01-04-2003, 08:48 AM

Originally posted by cheekycherry
Right, I send some of my members area traffic to free avs'.

Sexkey stats said I was converting at 1 in 13 clicks on average.

I signed up for freeagecard, I made no changes to my presell, simply a different free avs. After 40 clicks, still no sale!?!

This is premium traffic, small quantity of the highest quality...

Why is sex key converting better?!? I can't understand it

ummm, change back to sexkey!

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01-04-2003, 08:59 AM

Try this: sexyavs.com, massivepass.com, adultticket.....

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01-04-2003, 02:46 PM

You don't want your surfers to pay for the AVS pass but you want recurring $$?
What percentage of zero would you like to make?

Maybe you misunderstood me... You obviously think that these free avs' such sexkey are totally free? Where do you think their profit comes fom man?

They get a large chunk of their cash from the premium sites the surfers are automatically signed up for should they not cancel them...

I would like a recurring payout on the money the AVS makes from this...

*cough* tit *cough*

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01-04-2003, 02:56 PM

I don't think they convert that much better.

I get around 1:30 on signuppage clicks with FNP, 1:45 with CyberAge and 1:30 with SK. Works out to about the same cash. The 1:45 with Cyberage is made up for by the fact they pay on clicks.

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01-04-2003, 03:04 PM

How the hell can you say anything converts worse after 40 clicks? It may be they do but you have no way to be able to tell after just 40 clicks unless you're getting a 1-1 ratio with the other. You said you were getting 1-13 and you expect to be able to compare accurately after 40 clicks???

Good grief.

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01-04-2003, 03:13 PM

Yeah I see your point.

But it's not a typical situation... These are members area customers that are not typical porn buyers. My members area is not porn.

That is 40 of the highest quality members money can buy. The equivalent of TGP traffic would be like 40,000 or something.
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01-04-2003, 03:26 PM

Doesn't matter how good it is with a 1-13 ratio there is no possible way to judge a new sponsor on 40 hits.

As an example I have a niche that does 1-20 for me on $40 signups. Doesn't mean I can't go 100+ hits without a sale. However the average remains 1-20. I just can't see how you can even make any sort of judgement on 40 hits.

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01-04-2003, 03:39 PM

you guys realize that your AVS site or the inital page the traffic seems make a HUGE different in your 'ratios' ? Join page ratios don't mean shit unless you compare them between identical sites to different AVSs.

For instance..
Webmaster A gets 1,000 uniques from google to his AVS site. He has a 2 page tour AVS... Main page is to tease and the 2nd page that explains they have to login to the AVS and more incentives to buy. 30% of traffic moves to page 2 and then 30% moves to the joinpage (100 clicks) and he gets 10 signups (1:10).

Webmaster B gets 1,000 uniques from google (similar niche as Webmaster A) to his AVs site (uses same AVS system as Webmaster A). He just sticks shit on a single page with many links to join the AVS. He gets 30% of that traffic to the AVS joinpage (300 clicks). He gets 10 signups (1:30).

Webmaster A says 'The free AVS I use kicks ass man 1:10'
Webmaster B says 'The free AVS I use sucks. I do 1:30. I hear other people do 1:10 with their AVS sites on god knows what systems' Both Webmasters are talking about the same AVS.

So in order to properly gauge your traffic you have to look at the first page (that is YOURS) that the traffic reaches (being first page that gets hits from SEs or clicks from a banner to your tour or hits to your gallery).

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01-05-2003, 01:17 AM

It's alright, I solved the problem. I got a couple of emails from my customers saying that they were expected to shell out $40 or something up front so they weren't going to join... And rightly so.

How can I (or the AVS for that matter) promise FREE access to porn and then ask for $40 for it?

Conclusion?

SexKey is cool.

Others that say they are free but then ask for cash upfront suck shit through straws
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01-05-2003, 01:36 AM

Originally posted by cheekycherry
Lethal, do they really have to buy a month first?!? that fucking sucks! and is surely the answer...

Anyone know an AVS LIKE sexkey - free signup and payout for free join... BUT pays out recurring commissions on the back end?

with AdultLogin you can get paid per the free signup, or recurring if they stay past the 3 day free trial.

You can change the format on the fly, and all changes are done in real time.

As soon as the member signs up, the first thing the system does is checks to see if you on getting paid for the free signup, or as a partner. So you can change formats every 15 minutes if you want. at 1:15 PM you get a signup as a per free signup, and at 2:00 PM you can get another as a partner and be paid recurring. You tell us what you want, and it is done, automatically.
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01-05-2003, 01:39 AM

Originally posted by Tipsy
Doesn't matter how good it is with a 1-13 ratio there is no possible way to judge a new sponsor on 40 hits.

. . . . just can't see how you can even make any sort of judgement on 40 hits.

true dat

hard to judge anything on 40 hits, unless you are talking acid.
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01-05-2003, 01:42 AM

actually, the idea of limiting yourself to just one AVS is nuts anyways. You are forgetting about the upsells on your site.

So what if every AVS does not provide you with a signup, if they are pushing traffic thru your site, you have credit card carrying surfers, that are not afraid to use them, looking at your sponsor ads.

What more could you ask for? If they aren't pushing traffic thru your site, then you have lost nothing, but have increased your chances for SE to pick you up.
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01-05-2003, 04:52 AM

Although I consider myself a veteran of Internet Marketing... I'm very new to Internet porn and selling it
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01-05-2003, 04:57 AM

I put sex key back up and now its not tracking clicks...

I'm going to try another.
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01-05-2003, 05:27 AM

Originally posted by cheekycherry
Although I consider myself a veteran of Internet Marketing... I'm very new to Internet porn and selling it

then your questions really confuse me . . . . do you think you can do proper marketing research based on 40 hits? or 400 for that matter? How about 4,000?

In this biz 4,000 is a little closer to reality, this is not 1996.
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01-05-2003, 05:46 AM

I don't want to argue over this as I totally agree with you...

I totally agree that 40 hits is not enough to judge ANY program on!!! BUT, in this case and under my cicumstances, I am doing.

Sex key was giving me 1:13... For some reason, its now not even tracking my clicks or sales.

I will be happy to get a free avs up that's simple to use just like sex key... I really just want a clone of sex key right now... Not loads of naked bitches with their tits out or copy that doesn't say FREE everywhere...

I can see now why Sex Key is so good at converting, cos they are doing the simple things right! All the other AVS' are making stupid mistakes in their copy or design...

I want sexkey back!

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01-05-2003, 05:49 AM

Originally posted by cheekycherry
I don't want to argue over this as I totally agree with you...

I totally agree that 40 hits is not enough to judge ANY program on!!! BUT, in this case and under my cicumstances, I am doing.

Then there's no polite way to say it. You're a total idiot and would probably be far better off working in a business you can manage to understand the basics of. Really. If you can't understand why you can't base any kind of sponsor performance on 40 hits your buggered from day 1.

Ignorance is never bliss.
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01-05-2003, 06:00 AM

For fucks sake Tipsey... FORGET THE FUCKING 40 uniques argument for a minute...

I FUCKING AGREE!!!!!!!!

I should say to you that I'm not buggered from day 1... Like I've said elsewhere, this porn income is spare change to me...

I earn a 6 figure income approaching a turnover of half a million a year from an Internet business started in 2001... I assure you, I'm not buggered... I just like to sell a few backend products from my members area of one of my sites...

Please don't get abusive, I just need help finding a free AVS that is JUST like sexkey!

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01-05-2003, 11:02 AM

Originally posted by cheekycherry
Anyone know an AVS LIKE sexkey - free signup and payout for free join... BUT pays out recurring commissions on the back end?

I don't think you'll find a true free AVS that pays recurring.

FreeNetPass is similar to SexKey. Niche join forms, truely free, you get paid even if the surfer cancels his free trial, and there's a 'Premium' program so you could upsell to your higher quality sites you may build.
Also AccessForLife is similar to FAC but pays $25/signup, $20 recurring, and since the memberships are "lifetime" the link list traffic just builds and builds. Niche join scripts and niche join forms help sell your site.

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01-05-2003, 11:11 AM

Cheeky,

Drop me an email and I will look into your site for you. You probably have something messed up in your join url.

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btw, thanks for the great comments about SexKey

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01-05-2003, 11:42 AM

Hi, I emailed someone at sexkey about it already buddy... My account manager. I'm waiting for a response. If you let me know your email I'll email you.

No problem... I see the simplicity of sexkey is what makes it so hot!
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01-05-2003, 12:56 PM

Ahem,

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01-05-2003, 03:38 PM

CheekyCherry,

I had the same experience with sexkey versus freeagecard, I thought freeagecard would do MUCH better beacuse it looked nicer, etc etc etc, but I converted horrible with them and kick ass with sexkey.

My guess is the freeagecard tracking is crap.

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01-05-2003, 04:55 PM

Cheeky,

Your account rep is in Vegas. At least he better be because I sent him there

So if you or anyone need anything either email me at [email protected] or our 24/7 webmaster spport staff at [email protected]

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03-18-2003, 11:48 AM

Originally posted by cheekycherry
Lethal, do they really have to buy a month first?!? that fucking sucks! and is surely the answer...

Anyone know an AVS LIKE sexkey - free signup and payout for free join... BUT pays out recurring commissions on the back end?

That is the answer, If they know that it is 100% free up front it will convert better! However! the payouts are less! True free models cap out at about $20.00 peer join, buy one get one free models although the conversions are a bit less, 25-30% pay more! I get $30.00 per sale, and I know others that are getting paid $35.00 per sale, due to traffic!
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03-18-2003, 12:14 PM

Sexkey is great, with great conversions, been with them nearly a year. You can actually ask questions in their private forum and they answer you, what a concept. Hank, when are you going to start a webmaster referral program??

And no, sexkey has nothing to do with my recent post on getting F'd by my sponser. Is another "non" avs sponser.
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03-18-2003, 06:32 PM

http://sexyavs.com is free
http://nakedpass.com is also free

We also pay $25.00 for the middle page signup bonus.

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Other real free ones off the top of my head would be:

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03-22-2003, 10:20 PM

Jake,

I would look for a host of new products coming out in the next few weeks. So stay tuned.

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03-22-2003, 10:23 PM

Originally posted by cheekycherry
Right, I send some of my members area traffic to free avs'.

Sexkey stats said I was converting at 1 in 13 clicks on average.

I signed up for freeagecard, I made no changes to my presell, simply a different free avs. After 40 clicks, still no sale!?!

This is premium traffic, small quantity of the highest quality...

Why is sex key converting better?!? I can't understand it

I TOTALLY had the same experience...I think it's that freeagecard has shitty tracking of signups....bad methods either intentionally or non-intentionally...

doesn't really matter, the bottom line is sexkey converted like 1:30 on average for me...freeagecard was more like 1:700

same traffic, same layout....

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03-22-2003, 10:42 PM

I have experience with FreeNetPass, ProAdult, and SexKey, and only FreeNetPass seems to work well for me. Whereas FNP regularly get me a 1:15-1:19 ratio, PA and SK do diddley for me.

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