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03-18-2003, 03:11 PM

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Sorry man but that's a broad stroke to be painting.

In America we have this thing called the constitution and it protects all kinds of speech including the speech we don't like or agree with.

I think every case should be judged on it's own merits. If a site has been found to be crossing the line then go after the bastards with a vengance.

You are right .........I am sorry it is only MY opinion !

I am American I have chosen not to live in America, in fact the county I live in has not decided on what is legal and what is not legal regarding Non Nude over 18 year old sites. I don't think they have the same constitution but .... I am very much for free speech !

The only problem is that all Non Nude sites seem to get thrown in with all cp sites. I happen to run a very successful legal non nude sites and I am in close communication with many non nude webmasters that are not trading traffic with underage non nude sites .

This is one of the logo's that we are looking to add to every Non Nude site that is not trading with underage Non Nude sites !

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03-18-2003, 03:11 PM

Originally posted by stocktrader23

NJ, you are a complete idiot. First of all he was found not guilty. Second, you report sites that are questionable. Any site is questionably illegal in the adult world and when you piss on enough webmasters have fun when they all claim shit about your site. You had rape sites linked on your site for a fact a while back yet you turn people in YOU think have questionable content.

GO FUCK YOURSELF WITH A RUSTY FUCKING POLE DIPSHIT.

No need to freak out dude - I didn't understand or read the complete article!

Yea I had rape fetish links on my site when it was hosted by a friend that deals in this kind of thing - what's are you saying?

You calling me a rapists?
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03-18-2003, 03:15 PM

I think there needs to be a poll. Who thinks it is ok to have a site with 10 year old girls in bikinis aimed at perverts that whack off to the pics. Stand up and be counted if you have the guts.

And dont say shit about the sears catalog or something. Big difference between a fortune 500 company selling clothes and some fat pervert throwing up a website aimed at an adult audiance.

Ever notice that pretty much everything added to the Constitution after the original was a mistake.
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03-18-2003, 03:40 PM

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I hope these guys get solidary cells, cuz no one, no matter how bad a person, deserves what happens to kiddie porn pedaphiles in prison.

Not even a kiddie porn pedophile?

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03-18-2003, 03:56 PM

This whole issue fucks me right off. You assholes sell and promote 18yo girls getting anally reamed and, because they are 18 'That's ok' - this Grady guy didn't break any law, was put inside as a kiddie fiddler for a YEAR and you lot still want him and other NON LAW BREAKERS locked up??

What's worse - pedo's whacking off to NN sites or pedos harming innocent kids?

Get a fuckin grip and keep pushin the porn - double standard tossers
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03-18-2003, 04:08 PM

Originally posted by Dugmor

This is one of the logo's that we are looking to add to every Non Nude site that is not trading with underage Non Nude sites !

Great idea man...see this is a proactive way to fight this issue without having the government infringe upon civil rights.

Other ways is getting processors to stop processing for them...even though it's legal it can be immoral and being that prolly won't change anytime in the near future you have chosen a good path to fight this.

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03-18-2003, 04:16 PM

Originally posted by rooster
I think there needs to be a poll. Who thinks it is ok to have a site with 10 year old girls in bikinis aimed at perverts that whack off to the pics. Stand up and be counted if you have the guts.

And dont say shit about the sears catalog or something. Big difference between a fortune 500 company selling clothes and some fat pervert throwing up a website aimed at an adult audiance.

I'll stand up right here and now...you dont' wanna do biz with me that's cool.

But the simple fact is not all non-nude underage sites are illegal...now immoral is a whole completely different issue.

But then what we're doing is considered immoral by many.

When you start to break down the lines of free speech that can have an adverse effect upon you and your biz, but more importantly your freedom.

As long as these sites are on the legal side of the line they have a right to exist just as much as any of your sites do.

Once they cross that legal line then by all means nail their balls to the wall.

But if you think you know what's on the minds of each site operator out there, or each surfer out there then you have in effect become part of the though police...no better than an asshole like a s h c r o f t.

However since we operate in a free market you have the right to choose who you wish to do biz with as I get to choose who I wish to do biz with.

So what does that mean?

Processors don't have to process for such sites, webmasters who are offended by such sites don't have to promote them, they don't have to trade traffic with them.

Hosting companies don't have to host them...the list goes on.

I think Dugmor's got a pretty good solution working to deal with this issue while it's still a problem.

Now don't get me wrong, I hate to see some of this shit going on...but the simple fact is if what they are doing is legal then they have the right to do it...you just have the right to not like it.

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03-18-2003, 04:33 PM

I see he was found not guilty which is quite surprising but when I went to his domain it still goes to reportchildporn.com, strange.

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03-19-2003, 04:41 AM

oh, ok. Just for fun

Originally posted by eroswebmaster

When you start to break down the lines of free speech that can have an adverse effect upon you and your biz, but more importantly your freedom.

No, you see, Thats where you're wrong. When you hide behind "free speech" as you exploit children, you have an adverse effect on your biz and your freedom.

And when the "eroswebmasters" of the world defend the exploitation of children by proudly declaring its their first amendment right, you have an adverse effect on your biz and your freedom.

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03-19-2003, 04:54 AM

I saw the girl in the middle of the page on a talk show tryig to defend herself.. but I find that pic very distasteful.. makes me sick to think some sickos may find it entertaining. Hey if you wanna watch non-nude provocative pics watch the grown-up girls in bathing suits or other skimpy dresses who actually have full grown boobs and ass NOT preteen. But I don't know all those kinda sites are illegal thou maybe a few are but why even bother building such risky sites?

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03-19-2003, 05:30 AM

Originally posted by stocktrader23

NJ, you are a complete idiot. First of all he was found not guilty. Second, you report sites that are questionable. Any site is questionably illegal in the adult world and when you piss on enough webmasters have fun when they all claim shit about your site. You had rape sites linked on your site for a fact a while back yet you turn people in YOU think have questionable content.

GO FUCK YOURSELF WITH A RUSTY FUCKING POLE DIPSHIT.

You need to chill out just a bit. This is starting to look rather silly on your part to keep attacking him. Put him in your ignore list.

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03-19-2003, 05:32 AM

Originally posted by 12clicks
oh, ok. Just for fun

No, you see, Thats where you're wrong. When you hide behind "free speech" as you exploit children, you have an adverse effect on your biz and your freedom.

And when the "eroswebmasters" of the world defend the exploitation of children by proudly declaring its their first amendment right, you have an adverse effect on your biz and your freedom.

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03-19-2003, 06:02 AM

Originally posted by rooster
...And dont say shit about the sears catalog or something. Big difference between a fortune 500 company selling clothes and some fat pervert throwing up a website aimed at an adult audiance.

girls modelling tiny skirts and thongs in the sears catalog has the same wrong-doings as that on underage nonnude sites. children should not be dressed as prostitutes, advertisers are just wanting to create a new market selling thongs to children, which is fucked up.

just because they are a fortune 500 company, it doesnt mean they are worthy of any more respect - other than that they can successfully make money out of dressing children as prostitutes rather than a nonnude site which will get shut down for doing exactly the same thing.
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03-19-2003, 06:23 AM

I'd never defend anybody who exploits underage girls to make profits.

For instance, record labels. Advertising agencies. Stanley Kubrick.

That's what scares me... I don't mind legislation being drafted that would prevent people from putting young girls in bikinis just for the purpose of selling to perverts to jack of to. But how do you word that legislation so that the truly artistic use of underage girls (such as Lolita) is protected? How do you word it to protect parents who take innocent pictures of their children. How do you word it to protect companies who are marketing bikinis for young girls online?

There's no denying that there's a fuzzy line here, and that we have to be real careful not to trample civil liberties in the process of weeding out the scum.
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03-19-2003, 06:26 AM

... and yes, I apparently missed a post or two... Still, a valid point, I think.

And I'm not defending Grady, just pointing out that there's no easy solution.
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03-19-2003, 06:28 AM

Originally posted by a1ka1ine

girls modelling tiny skirts and thongs in the sears catalog has the same wrong-doings as that on underage nonnude sites. children should not be dressed as prostitutes, advertisers are just wanting to create a new market selling thongs to children, which is fucked up.

just because they are a fortune 500 company, it doesnt mean they are worthy of any more respect - other than that they can successfully make money out of dressing children as prostitutes rather than a nonnude site which will get shut down for doing exactly the same thing.

Last time I checked, the SEARS catalog didn't have a "Childrens Thong" section.

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03-19-2003, 06:46 AM

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angeleyes - that is the point im making, advertisers are making a market out of dressing kids in bikini tops and coating their faces in make up. as for me not knowing about childrens thongs in sears thats probably because 1) i have seen a sears store, or read a sears catalog and 2) i dont rummage through catalogs looking for that stuff anyway - my point was that big advertising companies can be just as immoral as the websites we are talking about. rather than making a personal attack at me, try contending the point im making.
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03-19-2003, 07:17 AM

I don't mean to defend this guy.... But:

The music industry has been promoting Britney Spears for years when she was under the age of eighteen. You've all seen pictures of her in those tiny outsits, with her hips rolling all over the place.... Don't tell me Britney's market is to "teens"......

The music industry is just as guilty here.

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03-19-2003, 07:17 AM

Hilarious, and then MSNBC posts a picture of an underage girl!!! ahahaha... Are they retarded?

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03-19-2003, 07:22 AM

some of you are very ignorant,

YOU SAY:
if an 18yo poses non nude she's illegal
if the same girl gets gang banged it is legal?

there is an 18+ Non Nude Scene out there they don't produce, link or support underaged girls. There is nothing wrong with that.

Black sheeps are in the adult scene as well guys

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03-19-2003, 07:28 AM

Originally posted by a1ka1ine

angeleyes - that is the point im making, advertisers are making a market out of dressing kids in bikini tops and coating their faces in make up. as for me not knowing about childrens thongs in sears thats probably because 1) i have seen a sears store, or read a sears catalog and 2) i dont rummage through catalogs looking for that stuff anyway - my point was that big advertising companies can be just as immoral as the websites we are talking about. rather than making a personal attack at me, try contending the point im making.

Dude, I got the point the first time before you edited your post and all I was doing was stating a simple fact..... the clothing manufacturers in the US don't have catalogs sporting children in thongs or sell them for that matter. Yes, I'm a woman so I have every catalog known to man and when it comes to the childrens swimwear sections they are always doing something cutsie like building a sand castle or holding their Mothers hand.... not wearing fishnet stockings.

As for the music industry......... that is a different can of worms.

This is about all I have to say on this matter. I will never understand the mentality of adults getting sexually aroused by pre-teen aged children......... nor do I support it in any way/shape/form.

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03-19-2003, 07:35 AM

http://www.msnbc.com/news/737804.asp?0dm=C15QN

The first, scheduled to go to trial on July 22, involves a ?mom and pop? site run by an Arkansas couple that featured their 12-year-old daughter.

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03-19-2003, 08:02 AM

Originally posted by RocHard
I don't mean to defend this guy.... But:

The music industry has been promoting Britney Spears for years when she was under the age of eighteen. You've all seen pictures of her in those tiny outsits, with her hips rolling all over the place.... Don't tell me Britney's market is to "teens"......

The music industry is just as guilty here.

And so is JC Penney.

I stayed away from this post but well said. I agree... I think there's alot of hypocrasy here. Oh and just for the smart asses out there, none of my sites are under 18
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03-19-2003, 09:39 AM

People I dont understand all your problems. For me it's so easy:

Over 18 No Nude sites are ok, they are legal the same than normal porn pay/free sites

Under 18 sites are shit, the most also illegal, and we have to kill them.

Problem solved

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03-19-2003, 09:56 AM

Originally posted by RocHard
I don't mean to defend this guy....

talking about me? or the arrested guy?

I have a valid point - that MEDIA not necessarily sears or whatever the fuck, but MEDIA has been making money from children and sexuality i.e. britney spears for years.

I hope you meant arrested guy :-)
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03-19-2003, 10:17 AM

Originally posted by 12clicks
oh, ok. Just for fun

No, you see, Thats where you're wrong. When you hide behind "free speech" as you exploit children, you have an adverse effect on your biz and your freedom.

And when the "eroswebmasters" of the world defend the exploitation of children by proudly declaring its their first amendment right, you have an adverse effect on your biz and your freedom.

Do you think I'm honestly worried about some New Jersey sweat pant wearing Soprano wannabe not comprehending what I'm saying?

Think again. You guys need to go back to vending machines and stealing trucks loaded down with cigarette cartons.

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03-19-2003, 11:14 AM

I can honestly say I was never more horny in my life than when I was 11 years old in 5th grade...

Anyway the laws are great -- 18 is a good place to draw the line...

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03-19-2003, 01:42 PM

Sounds like Jim crushed the prosecutors, too bad they ruined his life in the process. When I found out he was doing a site like that, I thought he was out of his mind, even if they have clothes on.
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03-20-2003, 04:34 PM

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03-20-2003, 06:09 PM

It seems that guy crossed the line a bit in my opinion... Pornography is partially defined as sexual acts or implied, and looking sexy/skanky is included in that. Being natural nude isn't or natural non-nude isn't.

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03-20-2003, 06:13 PM

Good! They shouldn't sexualize images of pre-teen and early teen girls.

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03-20-2003, 06:38 PM

Originally posted by Nysus
It seems that guy crossed the line a bit in my opinion... Pornography is partially defined as sexual acts or implied, and looking sexy/skanky is included in that. Being natural nude isn't or natural non-nude isn't.

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And because of that same loophole there are NUDE underage sites that are based in the US still kicking and have been for years. They say it's cool because they only use "candid" pics and judging from the lack of response from the gov. they must agree. Stupid gov.

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