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#101

03-18-2003, 12:02 PM

Originally posted by SpaceAce

Yeah, some of those numbers are suspect (yes, I read the disclaimer). When I had two TGPs that only totalled about 75-100K/day I was making $900/month from Amateur Pages click program, alone. Too abd they couldn't get their shit together when I changed my address. To this day I don't use any of their programs because of that shit.

With 500K, even if you're sending a lot to trades, you ought to be doing considerably better than $1,000/month.

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#102

03-18-2003, 12:11 PM

Originally posted by candyflip

I did what was advised and was able to put together a 100k TGP with $150

I think you lie because the shitiest trade script around costs more than 150$. Plus you 'd need design and hosting.
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#103

03-18-2003, 12:14 PM

Originally posted by notjoe

Cut the guy some fucking slack and stop twisting his words.. DID HE SAY IT WAS Fool proof?

As far as i can see you're the fucking idiot who needs to twist what people say to make some stupid post so they can increase their post count by 1..

Grow the fuck up

You're right - I should have cut him some slack but after following this guy's history on another board and then watching his carry on here on GFY I found it a bit hard not to go into knee jerk mode.

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#104

03-18-2003, 12:39 PM

Originally posted by strobi

OMG your making sooooooo mutch money
Listen and learn sleazy

Are you brain damaged? I wasn't bragging or teaching any lessons. I haven't had either of those TGPs for three years, now. I was pointing out flaws in the poster's numbers. Grow up.

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03-18-2003, 12:46 PM

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03-18-2003, 01:27 PM

ok

Ive made/submitted a gallery, made/submitted 2 free sites and 2 avs, tracked 2 cheaters on my TGP and added 4 new trades ...

time to answer some of these coments since i see a new 1.5 pages since i last looked.

bare with me here ...

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#107

03-18-2003, 01:29 PM

Originally posted by Tuga
Your best post yet!

You said this is everything you've learned.... but this is only everything you've dreamed. That was your first mistake. You went downhill from there.

if im reading this right, you are correct in a sense.

I have applied alot of issues i have experienced myself to this "guide" but to get to the end result of "300k"i simply multiplied the results while "dreaming" i had the cash to fund the project.

I dont understand "you went downhill ..."

At what point did i go downhill? Trust me, im low enough ... can only go up buddy!

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#108

03-18-2003, 01:31 PM

Originally posted by Muff
My Advice lilrich. Dont post your ideas that could possibly make money on the board.

Save them for the time that you can execute them yourself.

This isn't a GNU public forum. And if you've got something that is worth wild you can bet your ass 1,000 webmasters will exploit it before you have a chance.

very true. I regret posting it not only because of that reason, but mostly because alot of the people reading it are a bunch of dumbasses.

It seems alot of these experienced guys i had pegged for "guru's" in their field have and demonstrate very newbie mentalities.

sad but true

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#109

03-18-2003, 01:33 PM

Originally posted by notjoe

Cut the guy some fucking slack and stop twisting his words.. DID HE SAY IT WAS Fool proof?

As far as i can see you're the fucking idiot who needs to twist what people say to make some stupid post so they can increase their post count by 1..

Grow the fuck up

jesus

I was going to write the same thing almost ot the "T"!!!

Damn thanks man, appreciate the support.

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#110

03-18-2003, 01:34 PM

Originally posted by Tuga
Muff are you serious??? Do you think 1000 webmasters have a dozen of 200k TGPs now because they read his plan?...

You think not eh?

What would you say if i told you i must have gotten maybe 50 people ICQ'ing me asking for more details?

Im a fucking idiot because i didnt post a resources section on bottom of post with my ref codes, or worked something out with choker, lol (not that he would have, lol)

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03-18-2003, 01:36 PM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by sinfulone
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Originally posted by lil2rich4u2
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#112

03-18-2003, 01:37 PM

Originally posted by lil2rich4u2

very true. I regret posting it not only because of that reason, but mostly because alot of the people reading it are a bunch of dumbasses.

It seems alot of these experienced guys i had pegged for "guru's" in their field have and demonstrate very newbie mentalities.

sad but true

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#113

03-18-2003, 01:37 PM

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I used the lil2rich4u2 TGP plan and my penis grew back....

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STFU DUDE!!!

That was going to be my next newbie guide!!!!

BTW that one will have a resource page with ref links, lol and i will add "BOLD" tags to my disclaimer .... see? I learn from mistakes!!!

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#114

03-18-2003, 01:40 PM

Originally posted by Tuga
notjoe , have you read his other posts? He said he was broke, he begged for banners, he said he was leaving, he called everyone morons several times.... and then he posts this.
I dont care how much he learned, if he still cant use it, he needs to learn more! I need to learn more, so I dont write newbie guides with lots of stuff that may be kind of true, but gets you nothing. His attitude is all messed up, he doesnt know if he should beg, teach, or insult. Dont try to be on his side, please.

When did i ever say i know it all? Or have stopped learning or wanting to learn?

My attitude is all messed up eh?

I think your a fucking monkey that follows suit on BBS boards how about that attitude for ya?

Lets see what you have stated ...

Im broke + beg for banners + leave GFY + call all these dumbasses morons + one logical helpful post = im a fucking idiot newbie who has a shitty attitude and doesnt deserve someones opinion to be in my favor

hmmm

yep, im the one here with a bad attitude ..... your right

fucking monkey, AaronM and quiet said the sky is blue ... you agree dont you?

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#115

03-18-2003, 01:43 PM

Originally posted by DarkJedi
Instead of wrighting this long-ass post he should have used his brain for 5 secods: "instant 400k TGP" That doesn't sound right does it ? I mean, don't you thinkif it was that easy every newbie would have a dozen 400k tgps?

One more thing: he blew 6k on one of his "great ideas" that turned out to be a disaster. You still gonna go with with his "instant 400k TGP" plan ?

what makes you think every newbie in the world wont try this?

I have experienced, seasoned webmasters hitting up my ICQ for help now ... i always tell them im a fucking newbie, but fact still remains .... i got the wheels spinning.

Yes i blew $6k on an idea, and it failed because i didnt realize how hard it was to get targetted traffic to a merchant site. Just 3 days ago someone you know VERY well complimented my design and idea, said with the right marketting my dream would become reality.

Looking at http://www.pleasuredvds.com can you honestly say it doesnt have potential?

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#116

03-18-2003, 01:45 PM

Originally posted by DarkJedi

yeah, he will take their money and blow it off too

i just wrote a long ass post, then deleted it all to say 2 words to you ....

fucking jackass

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#117

03-18-2003, 01:52 PM

Originally posted by notjoe

But it still takes the effort of others to work.. lets say he
implemented his idea, who would he trade with, without posting?

You could have the best website in the world, but without the marketing, trades and effort you will go nowhere fast.

I would love to get into the production, deeper than i already am but why the hell would i go out and spend the 50k-100K USD to but together enough content to produce a content site (like paul markham or like matrix content) when i have absolutely no customers to sell it to... that means the content would just sit there and not make money.

If you can work with what you have to build up other ideas or make room for possible expansions then you're laughing.

notjoe,

Your actually right on the money ... it takes ALOT of webmaster networking to make this idea work.

For one thing, sure theres a few huge TGP's that will trade with newbies, but you need alot more than a few.

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#118

03-18-2003, 01:53 PM

Originally posted by DarkJedi
First of all, its not that wasy to get (buy) quality 300k hits.
Either you end up cheated or with totally crap traffic.
And if he buys it from choker aren't they gonna be pretty much useless ? Most trading scripts count unique hits, and choker hits would be already traded several times over, so he's gonna end up with shit productivity for other TGPs.

notice i said the purchased amount of 300k should avg out to about 150k self generated?

I may be new, but what little experience i have is in the TGP world, and this logic will hold providing you dont get completely raped on the traffic, and buying from choker i know you wont.

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#119

03-18-2003, 01:54 PM

Originally posted by notjoe

Absolutely, but that traffic will get filtered out when it gets sent to his TGP first. That is probably why he suggested 300K hits instead of 20K hits like that other guy suggested.

shit, sorry didnt see someone else said this first, lol

thanks again notjoe

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#120

03-18-2003, 01:57 PM

Originally posted by Tuga
notjoe I'm no expert and I can see several major flaws in his plan. Maybe one day I will know enough to actually pull it off, but right now I already know enough to understand what's wrong with is plan.

my honest opinion? You havent examined the details of the plan. Had you looked at it thoroghly youd notice that yes i may be off as far as the numbers, but not FAR off .... i dont care what anyone says, the logic will hold given the right resources.

Im not saying it is fool proof as someone falsly quoted me, im just saying the logic is there .... i dont care what trades you add, what traffic you buy or what your site looks like .... buy 300k traffic and send it through a script, you WILL avg out alot higher than what you started .... basic trading knowledge will show you this.

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#121

03-18-2003, 01:59 PM

Originally posted by playa
way more factors involved, before anyone purchase traffic for thier site it is very important that they get a good base of trades and have the productivity/layout down

key to getting better productivity is choosing the correct trades with similar layouts and traffic,

again i accounted for this .... notice i recomended a niche tgp and deterred a general one?

Notice i said how many trades to add, and how to find them?

Using that method it wont be hard to have atleast 15 strong ass trades feeding each other.

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03-18-2003, 02:04 PM

Originally posted by Choker

Dude what are you talking about? I sell uniques not raws. The traffic I sell to TGP's is some of the most productive traffic around. I am selling/sending over 700k tgp hits a day. How many complaints have you seen about the quality of this traffic? I work very hard to make the quality of this traffic very high. Even one of my strongest critics (Pipecrew) admitted it was good shit. Per click per dollar cost I guarantee this traffic is better than any other paid source of traffic on the net. Any other traffic broker that wants to challenge me on this can put up $1000 and I will put up $1000. Winner takes all.

As far as the business plan this thread is about, he is pretty close to being accurate, except 300k is probably too much, 100k should be enough. But before you buy traffic test your TGP out and get the best return to trades set up first. As long as you return is over 125% your site will grow.

ahh shit, so THATS why i have 3 pages of replies, lol .... seems i brought out the bigdogs.

choker regardless of our history, as little as it may be ... i think you have a good system and have counted on your traffic a number of times and will continue to do so.

Thanks for the reply.

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#123

03-18-2003, 02:05 PM

Originally posted by NineNine

... as long as your TGP doesn't suck.
Another thing... where is this extra 25% coming from? How can traders send more than they receive all the time? Where are these mysterious surfers coming from?

sorry dude ... its obvious you dont trade much?

I have some trades at 400% productivity, and returning to MOST of my trades at a steady 130%+

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#124

03-18-2003, 02:08 PM

Originally posted by strobi

OMG your making sooooooo mutch money
Listen and learn sleazy

Are you a fucking idiot?

he said he was making $900 on a 75k TGP ...

now he makes 5 more just like it using the same methods, he has 375k hits to play with, AND he is making $4500 CLEAN cash per month ..... and you can knock that???

fucking monkey, stop asking how high

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#125

03-18-2003, 02:09 PM

Originally posted by DarkJedi

I think you lie because the shitiest trade script around costs more than 150$. Plus you 'd need design and hosting.

DJ wtf?

I have UCJ and TTT running on different sites, id recomend TTT over ANY script ive used so far ... ANY OF THEM!!!!

and it is 100% free! (minus the small but fare skim)

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03-18-2003, 02:11 PM

Ok im done ....

flame away

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#127

03-18-2003, 02:22 PM

Originally posted by cutetwink
With a good design you should only need like 10-20k MAX to get up to 100k in no time...

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03-18-2003, 02:34 PM

Ok, you were right, you hit bottom and now that you cant go any lower, you're actually getting back up. I liked those last posts, it showed self respect, unlike some of the previous threads.

If you have 50 webmasters asking for details, that doesnt mean your plan will work, it just means they want to know more. Even if they try it, it means nothing if cant make it work. I asked if you believe 10000s of webmasters own 200k TGPs, not if 10000s are trying to get there. If your guide is called "guide to get a long shot at a 200k TGP" I'm all for it. But you must realize that most newbies (and a lot of veterans) have tried it, will try it, and wont achieve the objectives. Just look at how many small and medium TGPs are out there. They all want to be BIG , and they're all aware of plans simillar to your plan. But it's hard, and the secret to really pull it off is... fuck, I dont know, and if I did I wouldnt post it!

Keeping a big TGP up there is something that a lot of webmasters can do. Building a new one and finding a spot at the top is something you dont see often. There are only so many surfers, if you want to be big, you have to take someone else's place. You can't do that in 11 simple steps.

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03-18-2003, 02:35 PM

And dont call me a monkey

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03-18-2003, 02:36 PM

hmmmm

could it be???????

could ALL the idiot wannabe boardwhores have nothing to say?

Or maybe they dont wanna look like fucking jackass monkeys when their dopey ass comment gets a logical rebuttal?

For all you dopey ass newbies with big mouths, atleast im fucking honest guys ... when im having a bad month everyone knows it ... when im doing good they all know it AND they know the how/why. Might not be wise on my part, but again ... atleast im always honest.

Keep trying to flame people to make yourself look better. Keep talking shit to people. One day your going to need something from one of us "newbies that have no fucking brain"

and incase none of the 4k+ posters on this fucked up board you so envy have never used the word rebuttal, here is an exact definition for you to reference in the future.

Rebuttal - \Re*but"tal\
The giving of evidence on the part of a plaintiff to destroy the effect of evidence introduced by the defendant in the same suit.

the act of refuting by offering a contrary contention or argument

"ok how high should i jump?"

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03-18-2003, 02:44 PM

Originally posted by Tuga
Ok, you were right, you hit bottom and now that you cant go any lower, you're actually getting back up. I liked those last posts, it showed self respect, unlike some of the previous threads.

If you have 50 webmasters asking for details, that doesnt mean your plan will work, it just means they want to know more. Even if they try it, it means nothing if cant make it work. I asked if you believe 10000s of webmasters own 200k TGPs, not if 10000s are trying to get there. If your guide is called "guide to get a long shot at a 200k TGP" I'm all for it. But you must realize that most newbies (and a lot of veterans) have tried it, will try it, and wont achieve the objectives. Just look at how many small and medium TGPs are out there. They all want to be BIG , and they're all aware of plans simillar to your plan. But it's hard, and the secret to really pull it off is... fuck, I dont know, and if I did I wouldnt post it!

Keeping a big TGP up there is something that a lot of webmasters can do. Building a new one and finding a spot at the top is something you dont see often. There are only so many surfers, if you want to be big, you have to take someone else's place. You can't do that in 11 simple steps.

by no means is it easy. This plan requires alot of time adding new trades, alot of time examining their behavior, and alot of time deleting cheaters.

Another good thing is, for atleast a week or so you will be on many many toplist on the top spot ... with this position you know what kind of productive hits you will get? You know how many other webmasters of big TGP's will see this and want to trade with you?

Going out on a limb here (agian) but i bet within a weeks time, you have several webmasters tracking you down looking for a trade.

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03-18-2003, 02:45 PM

Originally posted by Tuga
And dont call me a monkey

monkey monkey monkey!!!

lol j/k

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03-18-2003, 02:50 PM

you forgot me.
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03-18-2003, 02:55 PM

Originally posted by hybrid
you forgot me.

ok your a fucking monkey also!!!

lol j/k man ..... thats for the reply back there, means alot to see some people see the effort in writing this, as well as the thought of sharing it with others who may want the ideas.

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03-18-2003, 03:24 PM

Originally posted by Snazzy
c'mon guys help out a starving webmaster!

your hungry?

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03-18-2003, 04:06 PM

I'm a great believer in the philosophy of only heeding advice from the people who have proven themselves successful in the field that I'm receiving advice about. And since lil2rich4u2 has not had any personal success building high-traffic TGPs, or building a profitable adult business period, I think that it's appropriate to view his advice with extreme skepticism.

But what about some constructive criticism? If he's got it all wrong, what's the correct strategy? I see a lot of people questioning lil2rich4u2's credibility (with some justification), but I don't see many specific criticisms of his theory and I don't see much advice about *proven* strategies for launching a high-traffic TGP from scratch.

Apparently TGP traffic-trading is a very esoteric art, so wouldn't everyone benefit from some knowledge exchange? It seems to me that most people are more interested in talking politics and trading insults than they are in exchanging information which might help them to grow their businesses. Do any of you TGP gurus have something constructive to contribute? Or are you all too busy guarding your secrets from the newbs?
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03-18-2003, 04:10 PM

hehe... hahahaha... heh.

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03-18-2003, 04:12 PM

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03-18-2003, 04:13 PM

Groove, like I said, if I had the secret, I would keep it to myself and build all the TGPs I could handle.
But I dont think there is a "secret plan", the top TGPs have been there for years. I dont believe in any "2 week TGP success plan", yet I am trying hard to find it myself

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03-18-2003, 04:18 PM

Originally posted by Groove
I'm a great believer in the philosophy of only heeding advice from the people who have proven themselves successful in the field that I'm receiving advice about. And since lil2rich4u2 has not had any personal success building high-traffic TGPs, or building a profitable adult business period, I think that it's appropriate to view his advice with extreme skepticism.

But what about some constructive criticism? If he's got it all wrong, what's the correct strategy? I see a lot of people questioning lil2rich4u2's credibility (with some justification), but I don't see many specific criticisms of his theory and I don't see much advice about *proven* strategies for launching a high-traffic TGP from scratch.

Apparently TGP traffic-trading is a very esoteric art, so wouldn't everyone benefit from some knowledge exchange? It seems to me that most people are more interested in talking politics and trading insults than they are in exchanging information which might help them to grow their businesses. Do any of you TGP gurus have something constructive to contribute? Or are you all too busy guarding your secrets from the newbs?

What you say is true and respectable.

I also view my own "guide" with skepticism since as you said i have not tried it yet to its full extent.

I do have very extensive experience in the entire TGP world, and this theory holds to the button on smaller numbers .... as i cannot afford to purchase the large amounts of traffic to test this theory at this time.

Yes they are too busy throwing insults, or making completely worthless threads about some car accident, or some brand of cigarettes or whatever other nonsense goes on here, but thats also respectable as this is as much a "casual" hangout as it is a webmasters resource.

The people readong this board WILL NOT, ill say it again ... WILL FUCKING NOT say this theory makes complete logical sense, as they WILL NOT shed light on what is wrong with it, as they WILL NOT share their own "tested" theories as it would extremely hurt their business and personal profits (or so they think). That again is respectable to a point, but i think it is way out of control ...

Another surprise i found.

One of the BIG names on this board msg me yesterday out of nowhere. he offered to give me some advice and i naturally jumped on it.

After seeing his stats, and seeing the way he promotes a certain sponsor, you would be absolutely in shock!

You would look at his page and think 2 things, 1 that a 12yr old made it and 2 that he makes no money whatsoever.

His name, sources and styles are safe with me only because he requested it to be so. Had i stubmled upon this on my own, i would gladly share as i have for many other finds in the past.

Thanks for the inteligent reply, its about fucking time someone had some balls and stopped linking ass on this board.

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03-18-2003, 04:19 PM

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03-18-2003, 04:20 PM

Originally posted by Tuga
Groove, like I said, if I had the secret, I would keep it to myself and build all the TGPs I could handle.
But I dont think there is a "secret plan", the top TGPs have been there for years. I dont believe in any "2 week TGP success plan", yet I am trying hard to find it myself

I too doubt that there's any secret plan to be had, not a simple one anyway I suspect that it's more about doing a whole bunch of little things well and refining your strategy over time.

My point is that so few of the criticisms that appear in this thread and other GFY threads are constructive. Doesn't anyone have anything constructive to contribute?
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03-18-2003, 04:20 PM

Originally posted by juicylinks
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how do you know?

BTW who woke you up? lol

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03-18-2003, 04:24 PM

Originally posted by Groove

I too doubt that there's any secret plan to be had, not a simple one anyway I suspect that it's more about doing a whole bunch of little things well and refining your strategy over time.

Yes it takes a lot of little things to make money, and it takes alot of years to make a PRODUCTIVE (in the aspect of conversions) TGP.

However if all you want is hits, that is where my theory comes true.

And with 100k-300k hits, even if 80% of them are complete leechers, or complete bulshit hits ... even with a simple per-click program as i mentioned with AP, as little as $1k-$3k is greatly possible.

To make $1k-$3k PER TGP, is not bad at all ... now do that again, then again and once more, you now have $6k-$12k per month doing nothing but monitoring trades, cheaters, and shopping for new trades .... tough life? lol

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03-18-2003, 04:25 PM

Originally posted by quiet
hehe... hahahaha... heh.

see? Thats why he is sooo respected on this board. All those contructive replies!

Dang quiet, where do you get the knowledge??

Teach me my lord

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03-18-2003, 04:27 PM

rich...please contact me. gracias.

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03-18-2003, 04:29 PM

Originally posted by juicylinks
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lil2rich4u2, I think juicylinks likes you!
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03-18-2003, 04:35 PM

Originally posted by lil2rich4u2

see? Thats why he is sooo respected on this board. All those contructive replies!

Dang quiet, where do you get the knowledge??

Teach me my lord

no one is required to teach you FUCK ALL. you're just entertainment - a dancing monkey. you can't even manage to stay off this message board, less than a week after announcing your departure. that's backbone.

we'll miss you our friend. RIP
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03-18-2003, 05:03 PM

i want to see the huns comments on this theory
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03-18-2003, 05:09 PM

Originally posted by quiet

no one is required to teach you FUCK ALL. you're just entertainment - a dancing monkey. you can't even manage to stay off this message board, less than a week after announcing your departure. that's backbone.

Better watch out quiet. I see him running after you now, he's coming after you!

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