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FOr the dutch, do you have legal info over NOT paying BTW over US checks?

03-18-2003, 06:12 AM

Hi,

What do you do with checks from the US. You give it to the fiscus as 0% BTW scale?

If so, do you have any legal info that the BD is approving that as okay? Or do you just pray every year?

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03-18-2003, 06:22 AM

an foreign (outside the netherlands) sponsor doesn't pay VAT (BTW) for sending you money (a check), so i always declare it as income... that's it.

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03-18-2003, 06:33 AM

Originally posted by tha_timinator
an foreign (outside the netherlands) sponsor doesn't pay VAT (BTW) for sending you money (a check), so i always declare it as income... that's it.

Yeah most ppl do that. But the question is, is it fully legal;) I mean I declare at as BTW 0% as well. But sometimes when the BD is bored they try to make you pay anyway...SO I'm looking for some companies/individuals who have it black on white on paper that over money from US(checks) no BTW have to be paid

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03-18-2003, 06:40 AM

when receiving a check from let's say the US, that in fact is the same as you sending your sponsor an invoice for the sales you made them. then they pay you the invoice. since your sponsor is in a foreign country, you don't have to include BTW in your invoice.

i'm pretty sure this goes the same when your sponsor is within the EU, but outside the EU i'm sure this is correct...

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03-18-2003, 06:42 AM

Originally posted by tha_timinator
when receiving a check from let's say the US, that in fact is the same as you sending your sponsor an invoice for the sales you made them. then they pay you the invoice. since your sponsor is in a foreign country, you don't have to include BTW in your invoice.

i'm pretty sure this goes the same when your sponsor is within the EU, but outside the EU i'm sure this is correct...

Well that's the point you have t ask VAT/BTW for that...? hmmm well we will see waht happens hehe

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03-18-2003, 06:46 AM

you mean ask your sponsor to pay you VAT?!? or what do you mean?

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03-18-2003, 06:58 AM

Originally posted by tha_timinator
you mean ask your sponsor to pay you VAT?!? or what do you mean?

Never mind Don't know it exactly... Well guess I have to see what the answer will be

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03-18-2003, 07:01 AM

lol Andre told you a million times allready

i have it black on white from the tax department that you DONT have to pay btw

I'll show it to ya tomorrow ok ;)
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03-18-2003, 07:03 AM

why don't you just let an accountant handle your taxes?! costs you a little, but you make sure it happens right, which might save you money at the end.

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03-18-2003, 07:03 AM

Originally posted by RaiDeN
lol Andre told you a million times allready

i have it black on white from the tax department that you DONT have to pay btw

I'll show it to ya tomorrow ok ;)

Yeah cool, I lost it...See you tomorrow in Middelburg city.

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03-18-2003, 07:04 AM

Originally posted by tha_timinator
why don't you just let an accountant handle your taxes?! costs you a little, but you make sure it happens right, which might save you money at the end.

I have an accountant because that is sooooo easy....And he makes it 0% BTW...But was just curious how other ppl are doing it...

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03-18-2003, 07:10 AM

And what about design jobs?
We always use the 0% scale too for VAT, but my accountant is almost sure we're wrong, as the service we provide is done IN the Netherlands:/

I just pray every year.

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03-18-2003, 07:21 AM

Here's the deal.

When you get a check, lets say from CCBill, there's money on that check from abroad, but also from Dutch members. What you should do is check what percentage of your members is Dutch.

You count all you money that comes in this way, and report it as income.

You also report what percentage is from Dutch people, and they'll see that as the BTW part, just as long as it's acceptable. (0 dutch members is NOT)

The reason why is this:

When you buy something in Holland, wheter it is online or in a store or something, you pay BTW(VAT),if you buy it from a Dutch supplier. You can not sell something to someone and calculate 0% BTW, because BTW is MANDATORY(veplicht ;) )

One thing's pretty nasty: YOU should prove how little Dutch members you have instead of the BD proving that you do have Dutch members AT ALL. So it's the other way around.

For most webmasters here it's about 3,5% Dutch members. So it's not even much, but it'll keep you out of trouble, even if your accountant tells you otherwise.
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03-18-2003, 07:29 AM

Originally posted by Nembrionic
Here's the deal.

When you get a check, lets say from CCBill, there's money on that check from abroad, but also from Dutch members. What you should do is check what percentage of your members is Dutch.

You count all you money that comes in this way, and report it as income.

You also report what percentage is from Dutch people, and they'll see that as the BTW part, just as long as it's acceptable. (0 dutch members is NOT)

The reason why is this:

When you buy something in Holland, wheter it is online or in a store or something, you pay BTW(VAT),if you buy it from a Dutch supplier. You can not sell something to someone and calculate 0% BTW, because BTW is MANDATORY(veplicht ;) )

One thing's pretty nasty: YOU should prove how little Dutch members you have instead of the BD proving that you do have Dutch members AT ALL. So it's the other way around.

For most webmasters here it's about 3,5% Dutch members. So it's not even much, but it'll keep you out of trouble, even if your accountant tells you otherwise.

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03-18-2003, 07:31 AM

And who the f... are you to tell me it's BS? If you have any statement on WHY it's bs, then put it here, otherwise GFY!
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03-18-2003, 07:33 AM

membrionic, i think you're wrong... when ccbill pays money to holland, all money is coming from CCBILL, so from an AMERICAN company... where ccbill is getting its money from is totally irrelevant, that's a complete other transaction (member to ccbill), which has nothing to do with the transaction ccbill to you.

the case on payserve is different, since this company is located in the netherlands. therefore payserve should pay all its dutch affiliates *including* VAT (the affiliate is sending a company within the same country an invoice: this should always include VAT). on the other hand, payserve should pay its foreign affiliates *excluding* VAT (the affiliate is sending a company abroad an invoice: not VAT is needed).
i've done it like this in the past and it was approved by my register-accountant... never got problems either...

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03-18-2003, 07:38 AM

Originally posted by tha_timinator
membrionic, i think you're wrong... when ccbill pays money to holland, all money is coming from CCBILL, so from an AMERICAN company... where ccbill is getting its money from is totally irrelevant, that's a complete other transaction (member to ccbill), which has nothing to do with the transaction ccbill to you.

the case on payserve is different, since this company is located in the netherlands. therefore payserve should pay all its dutch affiliates *including* VAT (the affiliate is sending a company within the same country an invoice: this should always include VAT). on the other hand, payserve should pay its foreign affiliates *excluding* VAT (the affiliate is sending a company abroad an invoice: not VAT is needed).
i've done it like this in the past and it was approved by my register-accountant... never got problems either...

thanks for saving me the typing....

you do business with ccbill.. not with your clients.

May not seem obvious but it's like that.

And besides: your 'clients' dont pay any country specific VAT
they pay according to rules and regulations of this american company called ccbill.

And you deal with ccbill.. it's as simple as that.
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03-18-2003, 07:39 AM

Originally posted by tha_timinator
membrionic, i think you're wrong... when ccbill pays money to holland, all money is coming from CCBILL, so from an AMERICAN company... where ccbill is getting its money from is totally irrelevant, that's a complete other transaction (member to ccbill), which has nothing to do with the transaction ccbill to you.

the case on payserve is different, since this company is located in the netherlands. therefore payserve should pay all its dutch affiliates *including* VAT (the affiliate is sending a company within the same country an invoice: this should always include VAT). on the other hand, payserve should pay its foreign affiliates *excluding* VAT (the affiliate is sending a company abroad an invoice: not VAT is needed).
i've done it like this in the past and it was approved by my register-accountant... never got problems either...

Ah...Mr (THIS is a good reply) I'm in the middle of this discussion with my tax-consultant at the BD itself. I'll take this up with him and let you know what came out of it.
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03-18-2003, 07:42 AM

All will change in July with the nex internet tax laws. Another
explanation the tax office can use is that CCbill pays you for
work and you´ll be seen as a freelance worker.

Freelance workers have to pay tax if you do the "work" in NL.
Afterall it´s not you who do the sales it´s you who works to
bring customers to company X.

Do as I did, move the fuck out of the Country.....Holland sucks
to live anyway......Take residence somewhere else :-)

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10-03-2003, 02:49 AM

It's an old thread, but here's an update:

Currently, when you do shoot with a girl, and you don't have a contract for her, you don't have to pay taxes.

BUT: you need her social security number (SoFi), and and a copy of the passport. Also a signed receipt.

You have to report that to the IRS(Belastingdienst).
There are special form for that.

Also, when you have a foreign model work for you, there's special forms you can use. But I believe you're then responsible if she doesn't report the income in her own country, and they find out. YOU will have to pay the taxes for her.

So that's it. No taxes.
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10-03-2003, 02:59 AM

Originally posted by Naughty
And what about design jobs?
We always use the 0% scale too for VAT, but my accountant is almost sure we're wrong, as the service we provide is done IN the Netherlands:/

I just pray every year.

I DO have to pay the BTW according to my accountant. Like you said, the service is provided in the Netherlands so thats why. Please correct me if I am wrong cause that would save me a lot of k's

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10-03-2003, 03:02 AM

Originally posted by mrthumbs

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might be bs to you but its reality for the irs in holland, they want the percentage of transactions within the EU. Those are the guidelines at the tax auth (belastingdienst), check your rep there and they will state the same.

I can only say one thing : keep your money outside the EU

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10-03-2003, 04:11 AM

There are new rules since July this year, all companies got a explanation letter about this together with the btw papers for the 2nd quarter this year. If you getting funds from countries inside the EU you need to be sure you have the tax id of the company you dealing with and print that on your invoice, then you'll be save. If not, you must paying the Dutch btw at the end.

If you don't have a tax id from the EU company you do business with, best thing to do is to add the btw to your invoice. I guess this will apply even to all EU members you charge for your access to your sites as well. The EU is getting more and more like one big country.
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10-03-2003, 04:23 AM

Wow this is an old thread

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