This is from 2000 - not 1997 (and the unsubstantiated rantings of a gun nut) - and quotes sources and statistics from the Austalian Institute of Criminology.
hey man...I just looked it up on Google really quick. I didn't research to fidn out how true those particular links I just posted are credible or not. If you wanna belive gun control works & it helps ya sleep at night...then more power to ya. I don't live in Australia so it doesn't bother me one bit.
Originally posted by eRock
hey man...I just looked it up on Google really quick. I didn't research to fidn out how true those particular links I just posted are credible or not. If you wanna belive gun control works & it helps ya sleep at night...then more power to ya. I don't live in Australia so it doesn't bother me one bit.
Well it certainly means I'm FAR less likely to be killed by a gun.
Well it certainly means I'm FAR ess likely to be killed by a gun.
Yes, I sleep better because of that.
Wouldn't anyone?
Actually, it could mean that you're far MORE likely to be killed by a gun cuz you have no way of protecting yourself from armed criminals. And you see, I do. Honest people usually don't go around shooting people & criminals are gonna get guns anyway cuz...well...they're criminals.
Originally posted by eRock
Actually, it could mean that you're far MORE likely to be killed by a gun cuz you have no way of protecting yourself from armed criminals. And you see, I do. Honest people usually don't go around shooting people & criminals are gonna get guns anyway cuz...well...they're criminals.
Sleep tight.
I don't think you understand Australian culture which makes me think you've never been here.
Firstly, you've ignored that statistics about gun deaths in this country since we got rid of semi-automatic weapons.
That doesn't surprise me, but you don't understand that we don't pull guns on people in this country. If you have a problem with someone you may have to sort it out with your fists but that's usually as far as it goes.
We don't have drive-by shootings here. We don't even have people on the streets holding out empty polystyrene coffee cups begging for money.
And that's the way we like it... and those are the facts.
Originally posted by Webby
As for fuck ups.... Can you actually tell me one thing he has promised to anyone and actually fulfulled??? He even overturned all his election promises to the US people within 10 - 14 days of taking office.
Webby,
The "No Child Left Behind Act". It made good on his campaign promises of educational reform.
I don't think you understand Australian culture which makes me think you've never been here.
Firstly, you've ignored that statistics about gun deaths in this country since we got rid of semi-automatic weapons.
That doesn't surprise me, but you don't understand that we don't pull guns on people in this country. If you have a problem with someone you may have to sort it out with your fists but that's usually as far as it goes.
We don't have drive-by shootings here. We don't even have people on the streets holding out empty polystyrene coffee cups begging for money.
And that's the way we like it... and those are the facts.
Gun control works... accept it.
Firstly, I didn't even raed your article. Second, no I haven't been to Australia, so you're right...I don't lknow the culture. What you're saying above is only in urban areas in this country whichjleads me to believe either you've never been here or you've never been to a major metropolitan city here, and you're getting most of this from movies & TV.. Most of the country is not like this except for trhe wack-os here & there that shoot up the schools.
Maybe gun control works if nobody else has guns...and hey, that's great. But I live in one of the biggest cities in this country & it's illegal to own a hand gun in this city...and yet a lot of people have them & use them w/o blinking an eye. Personally, I wouldn't want to be caught w/ my pants down. I hear gun shots all the time in my neighborhood & it's not honest, innocent people out walkin' around shooting guns.
So, to wrap it up...gun control only disarms the honest & innocent.
Originally posted by eRock
Firstly, I didn't even raed your article. Second, no I haven't been to Australia, so you're right...I don't lknow the culture. What you're saying above is only in urban areas in this country whichjleads me to believe either you've never been here or you've never been to a major metropolitan city here, and you're getting most of this from movies & TV.. Most of the country is not like this except for trhe wack-os here & there that shoot up the schools.
Maybe gun control works if nobody else has guns...and hey, that's great. But I live in one of the biggest cities in this country & it's illegal to own a hand gun in this city...and yet a lot of people have them & use them w/o blinking an eye. Personally, I wouldn't want to be caught w/ my pants down. I hear gun shots all the time in my neighborhood & it's not honest, innocent people out walkin' around shooting guns.
So, to wrap it up...gun control only disarms the honest & innocent.
I'm sorry that you have to live in such a violent culture.
Oh fuck... "the people who "supposedly half-elected him" created the the richest most powerful country on earth".
I don't give a fuck who elected him... If you actually think the "people" elected him ya got less comprehension of the US electoral system than I thought. Bush gained office with the support of Daddy and friends - that was the choice offered to the population - take him or Gore.
You're a slippery fellow. First you say that he reflects badly upon those who elected him and then you try to spin it that his dad got him elected.
Originally posted by Webby Quit the bullshit and get real. The US is a military power currently going bust with bleak future prospects. I think that is called "history" - it does have a habit of repeating.
Yup, history repeats itself. The only problem is you can't predicted when it will do so. US military power is waning for one major reason, no more "Evil Empire". US Military planning is no longer focused on fighting a global war against a daunting opponent.
Originally posted by Webby I ain't giving a shit about all your other stuff... have a nice day and thanks for em hugs and kisses
Now.. go fuck yourself!
You're welcome. With all the hatred and anger that seems to possess you, I thought you needed them.
"Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats."
--H.L. Mencken
Originally posted by eRock
Where did I say you should try it?
I'm safe too & not worried at all about it.
But I live in one of the biggest cities in this country & it's illegal to own a hand gun in this city...and yet a lot of people have them & use them w/o blinking an eye. Personally, I wouldn't want to be caught w/ my pants down. I hear gun shots all the time in my neighborhood & it's not honest, innocent people out walkin' around shooting guns.
Okay... I believe you!
I've never seen a gun other than at a firing range and I don't think I've ever heard a gun fired in the streets here... and I live in a city of 1.5 million people.
1) You can get killed without a gun being used
(sidenote: I'd rather get shot to death than beaten to death with a bat, if I am going to be killed)
2) Bad Guys are ALREADY Crooks, so do ya believe they got in line to turn in THEIR Guns?!?! Or are Aussie 'badguys' Speeee-ciallll?
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Originally posted by Gemini Wait until someone explains to Sixpack that:
1) You can get killed without a gun being used
(sidenote: I'd rather get shot to death than beaten to death with a bat, if I am going to be killed)
2) Bad Guys are ALREADY Crooks, so do ya believe they got in line to turn in THEIR Guns?!?! Or are Aussie 'badguys' Speeee-ciallll?
I've heard all the propaganda before, sweetpea.
These are the facts:
0.28 firearms-related homicides for every 100,000 people in Australia in 1998.
4.00 firearms-related homicides for every 100,000 people in the USA in 1998.
You can't argue with that... unless you're a moron.
In terms of protecting citizens from gun violence, gun control works.
I'm not denying your statistics... Did you miss the "bat" part? Now look up your violent crime per capita for ALL weapons etc in OZ. Point being, if someone wants you dead, they WILL kill you. A gun just makes it easier in some cases.
Do the same for a country such as Japan where guns have been banned for years as well. It will be alot more 'inline' with US crime stats than you'll care to believe. Just as Aussie stats will reflect or soon will be reflecting, given that you just had guns taken away a short time ago.
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Originally posted by Gemini I'm not denying your statistics... Did you miss the "bat" part? Now look up your violent crime per capita for ALL weapons etc in OZ. Point being, if someone wants you dead, they WILL kill you. A gun just makes it easier in some cases.
Do the same for a country such as Japan where guns have been banned for years as well. It will be alot more 'inline' with US crime stats than you'll care to believe. Just as Aussie stats will reflect or soon will be reflecting, given that you just had guns taken away a short time ago.
I'm sorry but we do not beat each other to death with baseball bats here either!
I know you'd like to believe that Australian culture is as violent as yours but the simple answer is that is isn't... and there are no statistics to back your view up.
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