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03-17-2003, 04:39 PM

After hearing Bush speak this evening I am proud our government
will not take part in an assalt on Iraq.

Rather than rise above the terrorists that attack it, the USA is lowering the bar further by disregarding the very rules of international conduct it has been espousing since 1945. This disregard for what amounts to the last shreds of civilized law is on a par with Nazi Germany's walkout of the League of Nations.
The business in his speech about how "willing nations" somehow
have rights beyond any UN resolutions invites some pedestrian "triumph des willens" comparisons.

Saddam is a bad guy, and he should go. But not like this. America can not build a better world by solely removing those who disagree with them while allowing the excesses of "free" governments.

And now that the UN has been officially rendered useless those peoples who have genuine cases of oppression (Tibet etc.) can kiss their hopes good bye as it is now acceptible for aggressor states to dispose of lesser peoples who may not share the same cuture, language or values.

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03-17-2003, 04:50 PM

That's cause Cdns. have no money to spend on the war
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03-17-2003, 04:53 PM

Originally posted by Shoplifter

Saddam is a bad guy, and he should go. But not like this. America can not build a better world by solely removing those who disagree with them while allowing the excesses of "free" governments.

maybe we should throw him a big retirement party....
that would really get him to go.

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03-17-2003, 05:01 PM

And now that the UN has been officially rendered useless those peoples who have genuine cases of oppression (Tibet etc.) can kiss their hopes good bye as it is now acceptible for aggressor states to dispose of lesser peoples who may not share the same cuture, language or values.

How many millions have died in the last 12 years while the un diddled?

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03-17-2003, 05:04 PM

It is a real loss too. I mean what is a war without the Canadians standing around and dying.

It is easy to talk when you are a little nobody nation not in the spotlight with the world's most powerful nation as your neighbor.

Let's move Canada to the Middle East and see how fast they change their fucking tune.

Better learn how to speak Arabic while taking it up the ass.

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03-17-2003, 05:07 PM

Shoplifter:
"Saddam is a bad guy, and he should go. But not like this. America can not build a better world by solely removing those who disagree with them while allowing the excesses of "free" governments. "

And ya should be proud not to be involved in the US adventure to "help free the world". They fucked it up bad enough so far, this may well be the "change of wind" from many nations after some proclaimed "liberation".

Line Bush up with Saddam and shoot the pair of em and maybe the US will have a chance of survival.

The furture is not only going to be known for Saddam.. reckon it may well be time for Bush as well - time will tell...

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03-17-2003, 05:23 PM

Originally posted by Mogul
It is a real loss too. I mean what is a war without the Canadians standing around and dying.

I guess I should say something about how Canada joined the struggle against Hitler immediately while the USA waited...But that would be to obvious a demonstration of rational principle.

If I said what I think this new war is really about I would probably get kicked off of GFY. But I can't resist a hint...

Iraq is the only nation in the area with the money to build nukes
to threaten Israel. Iran is a threat too..but they are too poor.
Control Iraq and you remove the threat to Israel and as a free bonus you contain Iran. Iraq is no real threat to the USA itself.

If you wanna fight for the Zionists go ahead. I'm going to cook me up a big plate of French Fries and pop a Molson Canadian
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03-17-2003, 05:27 PM

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03-17-2003, 05:32 PM

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03-17-2003, 05:37 PM

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03-17-2003, 05:44 PM

wtf you talking about?

I am also a Canadian and can say fuck man, we are being fucking pussies as usual.

You know a year or so ago there was a huge scandal here in Canada. The treasury lost a billion bucks, and they never found out where it went.

Canada is one of the most mismanaged countries in the world.

Airport tax, shit ours was $20 bucks or so, how much was it in the US? Hmm I think $5 or 7 american.
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03-17-2003, 05:46 PM

Actually there are a few Cdn. soldiers training or some shit that will take part in the war...

But that Iroquois hellicopter thing was a joke..
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03-17-2003, 05:47 PM

canada has no army anyways no difference
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03-17-2003, 05:49 PM

Most of our army is special forces. Other than we dont have much
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03-17-2003, 05:53 PM

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You know a year or so ago there was a huge scandal here in Canada. The treasury lost a billion bucks, and they never found out where it went.

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03-17-2003, 05:53 PM

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03-17-2003, 05:54 PM

Originally posted by Shoplifter
After hearing Bush speak this evening I am proud our government
will not take part in an assalt on Iraq.

Rather than rise above the terrorists that attack it, the USA is lowering the bar further by disregarding the very rules of international conduct it has been espousing since 1945. This disregard for what amounts to the last shreds of civilized law is on a par with Nazi Germany's walkout of the League of Nations.
The business in his speech about how "willing nations" somehow
have rights beyond any UN resolutions invites some pedestrian "triumph des willens" comparisons.

Saddam is a bad guy, and he should go. But not like this. America can not build a better world by solely removing those who disagree with them while allowing the excesses of "free" governments.

And now that the UN has been officially rendered useless those peoples who have genuine cases of oppression (Tibet etc.) can kiss their hopes good bye as it is now acceptible for aggressor states to dispose of lesser peoples who may not share the same cuture, language or values.

Willful ignorance or just plain dumb? You decide.

If the UN was going to save Tibet, how come it hasn't done so by now?

As for agressor nations, blow it out your ass. That motherfucker has proven time and again that he is more than willing to commit murder and acts of war on those around him at his will. He has been ignoring the UN (which you like to pretend has some hope of being an effective organization) for years and he isn't about to stop. The United States did not wake up one morning and decide to invade some poor innocent nation who is just minding its own business. Get your head out of your ass and look at the facts: Saddam is up to no good. You don't need any more "inspections" to prove that. He has espoused a hatred for the United States for years and years and now we have been attacked on our own soil. Get the fuck out of the way because we've had pretty much all we're going to take.

I am so sick of this bullshit with you morons pretending the United States is just stomping around the world taking candy from babies and food out of people's mouths. The UN is and always has been a joke. Without the United States it wouldn't even be a good joke. It would be one of those lame, smile-because-you're-polite jokes. The September 11th attack is NOT the first terrorist attack we've suffered, but it is the last one we will suffer silently. Our barracks and our ships has been bombed, our soldiers and citizens murdered and, what a surprise, most of it can be traced to Middle Eastern nations which love to hate us, of which Iraq is one.

What is this crap in your post about "people who don't agree with" us? Puh-LEEZE. If that were the case, we'd be going after France right now, not Iraq. This is not a difference of opinion. The Unites States is not going to war because we think Miller Lite has great taste and Saddam thinks it is less filling.

He played the game poorly and now he has lost. Tough.

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03-17-2003, 05:54 PM

Originally posted by Mogul
Let's move Canada to the Middle East and see how fast they change their fucking tune.

This statement makes no sense Please think before you make a meaningless comment.

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03-17-2003, 05:58 PM

Canada has 30 soldiers there
http://www.cbc.ca/storyview/CBC/2003/03/14/troops030314

OTTAWA - A small number of Canadian troops may find themselves fighting in a war against Iraq, even if Canada decides not to participate.

The troops are on an exchange program with the U.S. and British military, and some of them are in the Arabian Gulf, where they could be involved in any conflict.

About 30 Canadian soldiers are currently in the Arabian Gulf region, serving with U.S. troops.

Most are in the air force and navy, but a few are in the army, and they are in units that could be part of a potential force against Iraq.

David Pratt, chair of the House of Commons defence committee, says this is not an unusual situation.

"I think it is well recognized around the globe that you do have these officers that are embedded with other forces for training purposes, especially among the NATO allies."

The Canadian government could decide to bring the troops back home, if the U.S. goes to war. But defence analyst David Rudd says that could have long-term consequences for the Canadian military.

Rudd says some of the troops are filling important jobs in the U.S. forces. Pulling them out, says Rudd, might not be wise.

"It says Canada is not a reliable ally. It also says that in a time of crisis and time of war we are prepared to leave our allies short-handed."

But NDP leader Jack Layton says if any potential war against Iraq happens without United Nations approval, no Canadians should be involved.

"It doesn't matter if it's 10 or 10,000, if war is illegal no Canadians should be there."

The Department of National Defence says it will review the situation if the U.S. goes it alone in a war against Iraq.
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03-17-2003, 05:59 PM

Originally posted by seven

This statement makes no sense Please think before you make a meaningless comment.

That statement does make sense. It's easy to act like Saddam is just misunderstood, but try having to live next door to an unstable asshole who is willing to slaughter his neighbors (and his own family members, read the news) and use chemical weaponry on his own people.

For those of you who aren't paying attention and like to think Saddam is real popular over there, what happened in southern Iraq immediately following the Gulf War? Anyone? Anyone? They didn't want to be under Saddam's rule again and fought tooth and nail to keep him from returning to his position of power. That revolt was put down with great brutality.

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03-17-2003, 06:01 PM

Originally posted by Shoplifter

Iraq is the only nation in the area with the money to build nukes
to threaten Israel. Iran is a threat too..but they are too poor.
Control Iraq and you remove the threat to Israel and as a free bonus you contain Iran. Iraq is no real threat to the USA itself.

If you wanna fight for the Zionists go ahead. I'm going to cook me up a big plate of French Fries and pop a Molson Canadian
and watch Hockey.

There are numerous reasons why we're going to war with Iraq and defending Israel is not one of them. We've sent troops to defend muslims during four conflicts but not once to defend Israel against hostile Arab neighbors.

The U.S. needs a strong military presence in the Middle East. And, right now we rely heavily on the Saudis. We don't want to. They're a corrupt nation that breads little anti-american future terrorists. Moreover, troops in Saudi Arabia, home of Islam's holiest places (yeah, btw....Jerusalem is not one of them), Mecca, Medina, etc. has long been seen as a provocation against Islam.

So let's get the fuck out and set up shop in secular Iraq.

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03-17-2003, 06:02 PM

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03-17-2003, 06:02 PM

"Saddam is a bad guy, and he should go. But not like this."

He should have gone 12 years ago. The only mistake the US made is waiting this long to kick his ass out of there.

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03-17-2003, 06:03 PM

Originally posted by B40
It says Canada is not a reliable ally. It also says that in a time of crisis and time of war we are prepared to leave our allies short-handed.

If your best buddy loses his mind and starts to murder people you wouldn't wanna be an accomplice now cos he's your best friend would you?

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03-17-2003, 06:03 PM

Originally posted by SpaceAce

For those of you who aren't paying attention and like to think Saddam is real popular over there, what happened in southern Iraq immediately following the Gulf War? Anyone? Anyone?
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Southern?

And Northern....

And try 21 out of 24 provinces. The country tried to revolt!

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03-17-2003, 06:05 PM

Originally posted by Shoplifter

I guess I should say something about how Canada joined the struggle against Hitler immediately while the USA waited...But that would be to obvious a demonstration of rational principle.

If I said what I think this new war is really about I would probably get kicked off of GFY. But I can't resist a hint...

Iraq is the only nation in the area with the money to build nukes
to threaten Israel. Iran is a threat too..but they are too poor.
Control Iraq and you remove the threat to Israel and as a free bonus you contain Iran. Iraq is no real threat to the USA itself.

If you wanna fight for the Zionists go ahead. I'm going to cook me up a big plate of French Fries and pop a Molson Canadian
and watch Hockey.

interesting reason as to why we are trying to control iraq.
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03-17-2003, 06:05 PM

Originally posted by Mogul
It is a real loss too. I mean what is a war without the Canadians standing around and dying.

It is easy to talk when you are a little nobody nation not in the spotlight with the world's most powerful nation as your neighbor.

Let's move Canada to the Middle East and see how fast they change their fucking tune.

Better learn how to speak Arabic while taking it up the ass.

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Can you blame the Canadians? We said from day 1 were not getting involved unless it was sanctioned by the UN.Now some of you arrogant American assholes slam the whole country.You people seem to forget all the times we helped the states in previous wars and the support regarding 911.Our little province sent over 2 million bucks alone to help those families effected.Fuck its Assholes like you that give Americans a bad name.Blame our fucking Prime Minister and not the whole fucking country dipshit.There would always be support from Canadians ,might not be much but never the less.I guess your all geared up ready to fight for your country huh ya dumbfuck?

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03-17-2003, 06:06 PM

Originally posted by seven

If your best buddy loses his mind and starts to murder people you wouldn't wanna be an accomplice now cos he's your best friend would you?

Well said

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03-17-2003, 06:08 PM

Originally posted by Shoplifter
My proudest moment as a Canadian...

Again Canada defines itself not by what it is but by how its not the US.

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03-17-2003, 06:11 PM

Originally posted by SpaceAce
That statement does make sense. It's easy to act like Saddam is just misunderstood, but try having to live next door to an unstable asshole who is willing to slaughter his neighbors (and his own family members, read the news) and use chemical weaponry on his own people.

No the statement doesn't make sense. It's like saying why don't we put Bush administartion on Mars so they could reign that entire planet

Funny you are speaking for the neighbors of Iraq but those very neighbors are speaking in a different tune than yours Why do you sound so much like Bush?

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03-17-2003, 06:12 PM

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You people seem to forget all the times we helped the states in previous wars and the support regarding 911.Our little province sent over 2 million bucks alone to help those families effected.Fuck its Assholes like you that give Americans a bad name.Blame our fucking Prime Minister and not the whole fucking country dipshit.There would always be support from Canadians ,might not be much but never the less.I guess your all geared up ready to fight for your country huh ya dumbfuck?

C'mon...this is GFY.......as soon as someone criticizes someone's country, then a couple of people feel the need to retaliate, blaming the entire country as if a single poster represents the sentiment of an entire country.

Don't go saying "you people after one (or a couple of people post something stupid".

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03-17-2003, 06:12 PM

If we don't remove Saddam from power then who will? He's a brutal murderer & his sons are 10x worse! He hates America, supports terrorism, has lied, broke promises, steals from his own people, invades other small countries, is maybe hiding weapons of mass destruction, etc. etc. The list goes on. I think we have every reason to do what we're doing & not let the French hold us back. Besides, it's not just America...

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03-17-2003, 06:33 PM

We are the fucking UN.

Where does the U.N derive all its power ? food? and or aid?

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03-17-2003, 06:38 PM

Originally posted by Keev
We are the fucking UN.

Where does the U.N derive all its power ? food? and or aid?

THE UNITED STATES!!!!

Power? Since when has the UN excercised any power?

food? aid?

c'mon, do you realize how delinquent we usually are on our UN payments. Money for food and other aid through the UN is more or less shared propotionally to each country's wealth.

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03-17-2003, 06:39 PM

they should replace the UN with a more effective organization: GFY

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03-17-2003, 06:39 PM

Originally posted by Keev
We are the fucking UN.

Where does the U.N derive all its power ? food? and or aid?

THE UNITED STATES!!!!

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03-17-2003, 06:40 PM

Originally posted by Mogul
It is a real loss too. I mean what is a war without the Canadians standing around and dying.

It is easy to talk when you are a little nobody nation not in the spotlight with the world's most powerful nation as your neighbor.

Let's move Canada to the Middle East and see how fast they change their fucking tune.

Better learn how to speak Arabic while taking it up the ass.

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03-17-2003, 08:06 PM

Keev:
"We are the fucking UN.

Where does the U.N derive all its power ? food? and or aid?

THE UNITED STATES!!!!"

Don't post such a pile of total crap. The US still has not even paid it's past few years "club membership" to the UN - forget the "food" or "aid" - you mean hamburgers and aids?

Tis better that the US fucks off out of the UN and abandons NATO and stays the fuck outta every other country and makes "some" effort to get its house in order for the benefit of its own citizens.

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03-17-2003, 08:14 PM

Ok, serious question here:

Did anyone even ask the Canadians for a strong presence in this war? It is nice to say you are not going to participate but if no one asked.... I think they were asked for simply minor support.

Face it, Canada is not about to go kick anyones ass. They are more 'French' if you will so if it pleases the people, stay at home. No difference, we have the CNN crew in their place

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03-17-2003, 08:20 PM

Originally posted by Mogul
Did anyone even ask the Canadians for a strong presence in this war? It is nice to say you are not going to participate but if no one asked.... I think they were asked for simply minor support.

G. Bush did ask if you go back some pages on CNN you may find it. Bush would even take Ethipia if it decided to support him.. anybody.. if you don't seen how lonely U.S. is you are blind

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03-17-2003, 08:40 PM

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Keev:
"We are the fucking UN.

Where does the U.N derive all its power ? food? and or aid?

THE UNITED STATES!!!!"

Don't post such a pile of total crap. The US still has not even paid it's past few years "club membership" to the UN - forget the "food" or "aid" - you mean hamburgers and aids?

Tis better that the US fucks off out of the UN and abandons NATO and stays the fuck outta every other country and makes "some" effort to get its house in order for the benefit of its own citizens.

Here's a link for you. Its a little out of date (2000) but its recent enough to show you're only talking shit. The US pays 25% of the UN's budget.

http://www.unwatch.org/pbworks/adsurprising.html

And a more recent one...
http://www.globalpolicy.org/finance/...et/large02.htm

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03-17-2003, 08:42 PM

Originally posted by Shoplifter
After hearing Bush speak this evening I am proud our government
will not take part in an assalt on Iraq.

Hopefully by now you realize what a truly stupid fuck you are. If not, let me just take a moment to assure you that your ignorance, though unimpressive was a bit astounding. You're a pussy....same as your gov't.

And as for you sitting back eating your french fries, drinking a Molson ice and watching hockey..........I have this to say:
You're likely a fat fuck......drinking shit beer (try a Bud Light).....and your Hockey teams suck. Go RED WINGS!

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03-17-2003, 08:47 PM

Originally posted by Briscoe
Hopefully by now you realize what a truly stupid fuck you are. If not, let me just take a moment to assure you that your ignorance, though unimpressive was a bit astounding. You're a pussy....same as your gov't.

And as for you sitting back eating your french fries, drinking a Molson ice and watching hockey..........I have this to say:
You're likely a fat fuck......drinking shit beer (try a Bud Light).....and your Hockey teams suck. Go RED WINGS!

You must be drunk otherwise I'm sure you wouldn't sound so much like a name calling trailor trash

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03-17-2003, 08:48 PM

Oh look that was your first post too.. so what's your other board name?

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03-17-2003, 08:48 PM

Originally posted by seven

You must be drunk otherwise I'm sure you wouldn't sound so much like a name calling trailor trash

Go back to sleep.
You likely sound smarter in the "lala land" you're from

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03-17-2003, 08:49 PM

Originally posted by dirtdigger
canada has no army anyways no difference

Better watch it..your sig actually left room there for about 4 totals lines of text!
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03-17-2003, 08:54 PM

Originally posted by Briscoe
Go back to sleep. You likely sound smarter in the "lala land" you're from

Is that all you got?? Damn

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03-17-2003, 08:57 PM

Canada doesnt have a huge army because we dont need one, we dont piss off the whole world by trying to police the globe. All bombing iraq is gonna do is give terrorists more of a reason to justify their attacks (obviously they're wrong but if it was you in iraq when you kids school gets bombed wouldnt you want revenge at all costs?) North korea is a much larger threat than Iraq...I wonder what the real motive is in attacking Iraq. Everyone whos on the side of the US is just kissing ass, shit bush is giving them money in exchange for support, that is wrong in my opinion. One more thing, in canada we spend are tax money on health care not millitary...sorry.
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03-17-2003, 08:59 PM

Originally posted by seven

Is that all you got?? Damn

Quite honestly Seven. I really don't have anything nasty to say to you. My initial comment was directed to ass that started this thread. He spoke with ignorance, ignorance feeds hatred.

I don't even have anything against Canada for that matter (hell, red wings got their best players from there). What I do have a problem with though is people bashing the US and clearly not knowing what the hell they are talking about. And that is why I posted my initial message!

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