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03-13-2003, 05:32 AM

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I wonder if this goes so far as to mean that I cannot pay for my webhost because they host porn sites or services like Choker and other like that.
If I was a webhost accepting paypal and hosted adult sites I would be leary of them freezing my accounts. Just my

Save your 2 cents, webhosts sell hosting, plain and simple, they are not selling anything to do with adult tangible products, goods, or services. That's like saying paypal won't process for a site that sells Blank cd's or dvd's or vhs tapes, because the buyer "May" use them to put Adult content on.

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03-13-2003, 05:34 AM

Originally posted by GirlsFrehahahahas

Save your 2 cents, webhosts sell hosting, plain and simple, they are not selling anything to do with adult tangible products, goods, or services. That's like saying paypal won't process for a site that sells Blank cd's or dvd's or vhs tapes, because the buyer "May" use them to put Adult content on.

So what about designers? They often use nude pics in the designs they sell...

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03-13-2003, 05:37 AM

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Well I hope you have no cash in your paypal account because they will freeze accounts real quick and good lukc getting your money.

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You are right there. Given PayPal's past policy, they will likely steal your whole account if you wait past the grace period.

I just withdrew a large balance from PayPal, I bet they are getting quite a run this morning, he he he.

Like most webmasters I never received the letter. I only sell dvds using PayPal. My guess is if you don't use the membership script you won't be noticed, even if you have a large number of transactions as I do.

But they will find you sooner or later, bail out now.

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03-13-2003, 05:39 AM

bastard and i was just setting up a body farm website as well
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03-13-2003, 05:40 AM

i wonder if i can still sell my penis pills
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03-13-2003, 05:43 AM

Originally posted by punkworld

So what about designers? They often use nude pics in the designs they sell...

Bro, I wish I new all the answers.....I think PayPal really needs to make some much clearer statements about all of this..

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03-13-2003, 05:44 AM

"Any visual representation of any form of sexual intercourse involving humans"

Thank god they still process my beasty sites!
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03-13-2003, 05:47 AM

Have they clarified whether they don't want adult-related business at all (B2b, etc.) or if they are just talking about processing for adult sites? I can't believe they would discriminate on that level...

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03-13-2003, 05:56 AM

If everyone got the same mail as me this morning it really couldnt have been made any clearer:

PayPal will no longer support transactions for adult content or products

Surely by now everyone knows how quick PayPal freezes accounts for months on end?

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03-13-2003, 06:11 AM

Originally posted by SGS
If everyone got the same mail as me this morning it really couldnt have been made any clearer:

PayPal will no longer support transactions for adult content or products

Surely by now everyone knows how quick PayPal freezes accounts for months on end?

well, i never got the email so maybe it isn't as clear as you think. I am not trying to split hairs and read into the policy change what I want or hope it excludes, but why wouldn't I get the email then?
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03-13-2003, 06:19 AM

Does anybody remember me asking the PayPal rep at the Phoenix Forum last year if they were really into the adult industry for the long haul or were they just making a splash and when they found out what we really do would they be out in a year?

One thing, I forgot this last detail: the Biz Markie will always prevail.
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03-13-2003, 06:28 AM

Originally posted by jimmy3way
Does anybody remember me asking the PayPal rep at the Phoenix Forum last year if they were really into the adult industry for the long haul or were they just making a splash and when they found out what we really do would they be out in a year?

That was my partner, Dr. Clay Andrews, who asked their rep at the Phoenix Forum.

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03-13-2003, 06:33 AM

Originally posted by Chris Mallick

That was my partner, Dr. Clay Andrews, who asked their rep at the Phoenix Forum.

i guess we all got their reply loud and clear.
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03-13-2003, 06:43 AM

Wow, that sucks for content providers.

and contentbuyers

Has a certain us department been leaning again?

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03-13-2003, 06:47 AM

reading their new policy, it seems clear content providers are in the line of fire:

Mature Audiences Policy

Unless you are completing a transaction on the eBay Mature Audiences site, you may not use PayPal to sell or purchase "adult" or "sexually oriented" material.

How does PayPal define "adult" or "sexually oriented" material?
"Adult" or "sexually-oriented" material includes, but is not limited to:
Any visual representation of human genitals presented in such a manner as to suggest sexual activity.

Any visual representation of any form of sexual intercourse involving humans

Any materials which require that individuals be eighteen (18) or older (depending on the jurisdiction) to view or purchase those materials

Any non-textual materials clearly designed to sexually arouse the viewer/reader

Any items which, because of their nature or because of the item description, appear to be designed for use in sexual/adult activity

Any items which dhahahahat human sexual characteristics in a degrading fashion

Any item that portrays frontal nudity will normally be treated as "adult" material
What is not considered "adult" or "sexually oriented" material?
Material that is not considered "adult" or "sexually oriented" includes but is not limited to:
That which is a small and insignificant part of a catalog, book, periodical, or other work which is not, as a whole, primarily devoted to sexual matters

Books or other text without pictures, as long as the material is not obscene, even if designed to sexually arouse the reader

Pieces of artwork that may be considered fine art-such as certain paintings, carvings, figurines and other similar materials. Examples include, but are not limited to, Michelangelo's David, certain (but not all) vintage pinup art, a renaissance-style painting of a nude female, or nude cherubs in the form of human infants (in the style of Raphael)

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03-13-2003, 06:58 AM

so buying/selling traffic and sponsors paying by paypal won't be affected? its just if you're buying/selling adult material that isn't sold on ebay mature audiences sites?
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03-13-2003, 07:08 AM

Originally posted by Chris Mallick

That was my partner, Dr. Clay Andrews, who asked their rep at the Phoenix Forum.

Perhaps this was at a different time, but I asked this question in a Q & A session.

I knew it was a matter of time.

One thing, I forgot this last detail: the Biz Markie will always prevail.
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03-13-2003, 07:23 AM

Back when they announced the $1500 Visa/Mastercard thing I contacted them and got four different answers from four different people. We dropped PayPal the same day.

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03-13-2003, 07:35 AM

Originally posted by Chris Mallick

That was my partner, Dr. Clay Andrews, who asked their rep at the Phoenix Forum.

Yep.. I was there and remember well...

what sucks is the time it took to set up the shopping cart all new links etc... from ccnow to paypal... now to our own merchant account... jeez... what a scam...

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03-13-2003, 07:47 AM

Porn is bad you all know that

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03-13-2003, 07:54 AM

Originally posted by gregtx

Yep.. I was there and remember well...

what sucks is the time it took to set up the shopping cart all new links etc... from ccnow to paypal... now to our own merchant account... jeez... what a scam...

thats right, when i first set up my site, i used ccnow and a few days before launch got their policy change email and had to ditch all that work, then got the Visa policy change email from iBill, and ditched them and all the work in setting up iBill, and then moved on exclusively to PayPal. Ugh!
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03-13-2003, 08:12 AM

Here you go

http://www.vscrub.com

thats the ccbill solution for a shopping cart. If anybody else knows of something like paypal. let me know. I am in the same boat, I have a shopping cart with PayPal for my videos.

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03-13-2003, 08:17 AM

epassporte is not loading for me. "Cannot Find Server"

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03-13-2003, 08:19 AM

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i wonder if i can still sell my penis pills

Penis pills aren't considered adult content, you should be fine. I see commercials for them on tv all the time

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03-13-2003, 08:24 AM

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03-13-2003, 08:28 AM

Originally posted by jimmy3way

Perhaps this was at a different time, but I asked this question in a Q & A session.

I knew it was a matter of time.

Yeah jimmy3way, I remember that too. I remember Clay's Q&A b/c he "lost it" over the Pay Pal guy answering in a less than candid manner. Remember that if one "high risk" procesor stops taking adult, then it is not always a good thing for those of us remaining. It is also a definate problem for webmasters.

I just hope that webmasters understand that this probably means no recurring will run after May 12 and that Pay Pal will have to consider their risk in trailing chargebacks and credits absent new sign ups. Be careful.

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03-13-2003, 08:28 AM

Originally posted by Tala
epassporte is not loading for me. "Cannot Find Server"

Seems to be pulling up fine for me. Try this link and let me know if you are still having a problem.

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03-13-2003, 08:29 AM

Originally posted by Tala
epassporte is not loading for me. "Cannot Find Server"

Loading fine here in LA.
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03-13-2003, 08:32 AM

Originally posted by Chris Mallick
Remember that if one "high risk" procesor stops taking adult, then it is not always a good thing for those of us remaining. It is also a definate problem for webmasters.

I just hope that webmasters understand that this probably means no recurring will run after May 12 and that Pay Pal will have to consider their risk in trailing chargebacks and credits absent new sign ups. Be careful.

I knew this was going to happen, I never even considered offering PayPal, they were obviously bullshittting.

Which is why CJBucks proudly uses Epoch as our primary processor.

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03-13-2003, 08:32 AM

This is an ill wind for the industry. More and more alternatives for accepting payments are moving away from the industry due to the abuses of a few webmasters. As the alternative means of accepting payments tighten down on paysites expect failures and reduced revenues for those of you who promote them.

I suspect more banks will refuse to open high risk merchant accounts and some will dump the ones they have now. If things focus down to only the Epochs, CCbill and Ibills of this world it will not be a healthy situation. All it will take is for one IPSP's to do a DMR and a significant percentage of people will get burned.

Competition is good, diversity is good and this narrrowing of options is very, very bad.
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03-13-2003, 08:35 AM

So, what happens to the recurring subscribers??
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03-13-2003, 08:35 AM

Epassporte is 404 here at CJB World HQ in Atlanata.

One thing, I forgot this last detail: the Biz Markie will always prevail.
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03-13-2003, 08:38 AM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Rand

Seems to be pulling up fine for me. Try this link and let me know if you are still having a problem.

https://www.epassporte.com

[QUOTE]

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03-13-2003, 08:43 AM

I said it the other day, I dont think 3rd party processing for adult sites is a viable business plan any more.

Ever notice that pretty much everything added to the Constitution after the original was a mistake.
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03-13-2003, 08:58 AM

Originally posted by jimmy3way
Epassporte is 404 here at CJB World HQ in Atlanata.

404 here in michigan too.

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03-13-2003, 08:59 AM

Originally posted by rooster
I said it the other day, I dont think 3rd party processing for adult sites is a viable business plan any more.

agreed on many levels but the shaving issues are bad enough as it is. would you trust so-and-so-adult-aponsor to pay you directly?

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03-13-2003, 09:00 AM

My non-adult project already in development...
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03-13-2003, 09:01 AM

Originally posted by CrazyNakedChick

agreed on many levels but the shaving issues are bad enough as it is. would you trust so-and-so-adult-aponsor to pay you directly?

There's no trust now so what's the difference?
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03-13-2003, 09:10 AM

I've been using Yahoo Pay Direct (no fees) and c2it.com for a while. Never used Paypal and am glad I never did.

From what I read, if you require someone to be over 18 to buy your products, they consider it "adult" so it's not allowed (in reference to the DVD question).

Interesting how they offered to reimburse people for the Visa/Mastercard fees ... when so few people have said they actually had to pay

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03-13-2003, 09:12 AM

Quit the shit with "the republicans" and "a sh cr of t" and use your fucking heads, if you've got 'em.

There was a mass rush to PayPal back when the Visa fees were announced last September and put into effect in November. Many people didn't pay the mandatory Visa/MC fees, because when you set up a "buy it now" or "subscription" button the form doesn't ask you if you're doing it for adult or not.
Take a look at all of the adult sites out there offering PayPal as a payment option - do you really think ALL of them paid that $1500 fee? Think again, Gumby.

PayPal got a major slap in the face and reacted the same way Visa did - by putting its fist down and saying "we're not going to fuck with these chargebacks anymore".
They still process for adult products in the Mature Audiences categories in the eBay auctions - if this were about republicans or any of that bullshit, they wouldn't be doing that. It's all about control. In the auctions, feedback is a wonderful control where the actual users police the sellers, and SafeHarbor can cut anyone off at a moment's notice.
They don't have that control with non-auction transactions.

Get your head out of your ass, quit bitching about the republicans, and instead start bitching about your fellow webmasters who are lying to the surfers and cheating - and who are causing all of this shit to come down on the rest of you.
It's THEIR chargebacks that are causing this, not the Republicans.
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03-13-2003, 09:16 AM

Originally posted by TheFLY

There's no trust now so what's the difference?

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03-13-2003, 09:16 AM

Do yourself a favor...stay away from ibill. I use them ONLY because I have recurring transaction with them from the past.. the company sucks, has lousy customer service, constant technical reportiing problems, rebill decline emails that are only sent out half the time, late checks lately, accounting department that does not respond to emails... save yourself the hassle .

Originally posted by strainer

You are right there. Given PayPal's past policy, they will likely steal your whole account if you wait past the grace period.

I just withdrew a large balance from PayPal, I bet they are getting quite a run this morning, he he he.

Like most webmasters I never received the letter. I only sell dvds using PayPal. My guess is if you don't use the membership script you won't be noticed, even if you have a large number of transactions as I do.

But they will find you sooner or later, bail out now.

Call Kevin at Ibill today.
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03-13-2003, 09:19 AM

uhm , Id say bye bye. My guess is paypal will drop the rebills too.

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So, what happens to the recurring subscribers??
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03-13-2003, 09:20 AM

Originally posted by Probono
If things focus down to only the Epochs, CCbill and Ibills of this world it will not be a healthy situation.

Unfortunately, the card associations seem to be keenly interested in moving in this direction. VISA in particular seems to want a narrowing of the field when it comes to who processes adult. Less headaches for them to only have to deal with a handful, then all these XYZBILL.coms
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03-13-2003, 09:23 AM

...and yet I got laughed at for not using Paypal.

*enjoys this for a moment, then moves on*

epasporte still 404 here. I use Yahoo Paydirect, too, and am considering propay. Anyone heard anything about ProPay?

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03-13-2003, 09:35 AM

huh... not affected by Paypal's latest screwjob as we use *ccBill* exclusively, but i'm getting a 404 to epassporte here too... actually wanted to check out what its all about, img src from jesuscharge perhaps..?

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03-13-2003, 09:55 AM

The epassporte tech dept has told me that their site should now be accessible from everywhere.

Please let me know if anyone is still seeing a problem.

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03-13-2003, 09:57 AM

Originally posted by scoreman
Unfortunately, the card associations seem to be keenly interested in moving in this direction. VISA in particular seems to want a narrowing of the field when it comes to who processes adult. Less headaches for them to only have to deal with a handful, then all these XYZBILL.coms

First they make it very tough for anyone to get a high-risk merchant account in the US, pushing all the sites to the 3rd party processors. Then they make the processors report on each merchant <b>by website</b>. Anybody see this as a little suspect?

Why should visa care about charges by website? It's not as if, for example, a gym must report on chargebacks by store location. The reason is future content legislation. Visa wants adult out of the US, period.

And yes, you can point your finger at the republicans. The reason paypal doesn't apply this rule to adult on ebay is because they're just following the rules that are handed down to them by visa and getting away with as much as they can for the time being. Ebay is their company, so it's not a submerchant, it's the merchant, that makes the IPSP rules not apply.

This isn't the end of this. The iBills, and CCBills will keep having tighter rules imposed on them by Visa that they'll pass down to the webmasters. It's a very elaborate way for the bush administration to push adult out without fighting the constitutional issues. Because it's not the administration right? It's just your processor saying they no longer allow facials. And for the processor it's just big mysterious visa USA making it's elusive rules.

Sorry this rant is so long. One more bit. Have you ever wondered why Visa would -mind- chargebacks? They make plenty of money on them on merchant fees. Do you really believe chargebacks are such a bad thing for them? I'll give my conspiracy theory on this some other time.

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03-13-2003, 10:06 AM

Originally posted by Rand
The epassporte tech dept has told me that their site should now be accessible from everywhere.

Please let me know if anyone is still seeing a problem.

I´ve asked this before and didn´t get a reply......so I´ll try again.
This whole epassport thing isn´t that meant for people in "bad"
countries of which most processors don´t accept transactions?
How are those people able to signup for epassport.

I´ve tried at least 5 times with a credit card that gets accepted
by epoch/ibill/ccbill/paypal/etc, etc but it gets declined by
epassport.

I have tried on several different days, I get various reasons
for being declined......so if I can´t signup with a good card
how can people in difficult countries ever signup ?

just for the record :

It´s a VISA card
No my card is not maxed out
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03-13-2003, 10:28 AM

Dyna,
Here are a couple things about Epassporte loading on a personal account to keep in mind --

First one is the risk management -- even though this is not a high risk transaction to load the card, there are still basic fraud prevention mechanisms in place. If you have a situation where your card is issued in a country other than your residence, it throws up a flag. This seems to be a rather prevalent problem with European cards.

The next issue is CVV2 -- while cards have the number printed on the back, not all banks support it -- if the charge is returned with an unsupported response on CVV2 then the charge will not go thru as I understand it.

If you have had the situation where you cannot seem to load the card with what you know to be a valid CC -- please email me -- [email protected] -- and include the date you tried to add funds, the name and address and the email, along with the last 4 digits of the cc -- I will then get back to you after risk management lets me know what the issue is, and I will make an alternate suggestion for you regarding your account setup -- one thing that would be helpful is for you to let me know what kind of dollar volume you intend to load onto the card -
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