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03-12-2003, 06:27 PM

So your saying that its best to get shit money quick, than waiting a couple of months and getting better money.. doesnt make sense to me.

ok lets break this down the right way

Its to difficult to explain but here's are 5 ways most programs work.

1) Its this simple You have a site that charges $1 for a full month trial and you get paid $25

2) then you have a site that offers a 3 day trial for 2.95 and pays you $40.

3) then you have a Site that offers you a 3day trial for 4.95 but you get paid on a rev share deal. which means little up front then certain % will go active

4) then there's a site that offers a free trial 30 min or one day that pays you $25

5) then there's a site that offers a 3day trial for 2.95 and you get paid $55 on an active join. this is the worst program for the webmaster but best for the Sponsor because he doesn't risk anything

which one are you gonna Pick?

and if you'd like add some more examples

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03-12-2003, 06:33 PM

I pick 1, 2 and 6 (then you have a Site that offers you a 3day trial for 4.95 but you get paid on a rev share deal AND recurs 29.95 or 34.95 which means little up front then certain % will go active)
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03-12-2003, 06:34 PM

I guess no one gets it.

Which program do you think would make you the most and why.

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03-12-2003, 06:37 PM

The programs are interesting but at the end of the day the sites determine how much money you make.

Thats why people who swore they only push $35+ a join started promoting bangbus, because the site sold itself for a while.

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03-12-2003, 06:38 PM

exactly what I thought people complain and they don't even understand why they might not be doing well with a program.

and this is just 5 examples there are alot more.

is there a place that breaks all this down for a webmaster

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03-12-2003, 06:41 PM

Never 5.

Use 1, 2 and 4 for sites that probably wont retain and use 3 for sites with exclusive or quality members areas.
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03-12-2003, 06:42 PM

Originally posted by heymatty
The programs are interesting but at the end of the day the sites determine how much money you make.

Thats why people who swore they only push $35+ a join started promoting bangbus, because the site sold itself for a while.

that was a rare situation the sites are just part of the equation.

just an overview
the way the site is marketed with there trial, the look of the site, proccessing and how the program pays out are all factors that make up a good program. then there are a ton of variables

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03-12-2003, 06:45 PM

For the past year, one of the sites I've been promoting costs $24.95 a month. No trial.

The revshare deal is 60/40

The average member stays for 3 months

I make an average of $44 a sale (the owner pays the processing fees)

The site converts consistently at 1:160

No, it isn't any of the sites in my sig.

That is the site I choose.

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03-12-2003, 06:47 PM

Originally posted by Muff
Never 5.

Use 1, 2 and 4 for sites that probably wont retain and use 3 for sites with exclusive or quality members areas.

I agree with what your saying

I would like to hear from the processors whats the average a
member sticks around 1, 2, 3 , 4 months

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03-12-2003, 06:48 PM

I would go with #1, and RevShare..you can never go wrong with rebills..

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03-12-2003, 06:50 PM

Originally posted by BRISK
For the past year, one of the sites I've been promoting costs $24.95 a month. No trial.

The revshare deal is 60/40

The average member stays for 3 months

I make an average of $44 a sale (the owner pays the processing fees)

The site converts consistently at 1:160

No, it isn't any of the sites in my sig.

That is the site I choose.

I don't believe it.

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03-12-2003, 06:51 PM

I have a pretty interesting judgement train of thought for this:
1) I won't consider a sponsor for revenue sharing / active unless they have exclusive content.
2) The number of upsells and cross-sells needs to be reasonable. If it appears the sponsor is trying to squeeze the customers for every penny possible, again, revshare/active isn't very attractive.

Most sites and sponsors at this point have been dropped off by here for possibility of revshare or active.

This now leaves paid joins and free joins

3) My surfers know that the porn they see is not free, so I can push paid joins for the premium payouts and on exits I push free joins or your porn4abuck type deals.
4) Lastly, offering alternate billing methods like dialers or free email joins on secondary exits.

This is a very specific formula for my SE traffic, of course it varies greatly depending on your traffic. I've tried my traffic on every chargeable model and this is what works for me. TGP's are a completely different story, I just thought I'd share my

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03-12-2003, 06:54 PM

Originally posted by Pornkings

I don't believe it.

What part dont you believe? I'm in a similar situation as him.
Great ratio, 50/50 split, sponsor pays fees, rebills pretty well.
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03-12-2003, 06:55 PM

Originally posted by WiredGuy
I have a pretty interesting judgement train of thought for this:
1) I won't consider a sponsor for revenue sharing / active unless they have exclusive content.
2) The number of upsells and cross-sells needs to be reasonable. If it appears the sponsor is trying to squeeze the customers for every penny possible, again, revshare/active isn't very attractive.

Most sites and sponsors at this point have been dropped off by here for possibility of revshare or active.

This now leaves paid joins and free joins

3) My surfers know that the porn they see is not free, so I can push paid joins for the premium payouts and on exits I push free joins or your porn4abuck type deals.
4) Lastly, offering alternate billing methods like dialers or free email joins on secondary exits.

This is a very specific formula for my SE traffic, of course it varies greatly depending on your traffic. I've tried my traffic on every chargeable model and this is what works for me. TGP's are a completely different story, I just thought I'd share my

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looks good to me . LOL
Kinda like a salesman start high then tries to work a deal

I would use the same formula for your traffic

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03-12-2003, 06:56 PM

Originally posted by Pornkings

looks good to me first. LOL
Kinda like a salesman start high then try to work a deal

I would use the same formula for your traffic

No wonder we see pornkings on all the exits
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03-12-2003, 06:58 PM

Originally posted by Pornkings

I don't believe it.

It does that well because it's a unique site with exclusive content that is run with love. The owners have 1 site, and 1 site only. They love the niche and dedicate their career to that niche. Surfers who are into a specific niche can tell.

Are your sites run with love? or do you just package together a bunch of content and buy a domain called megaxxxporno.com and try to convince people to join?

Promote unique sites that are run with love and have exclusive content and you can't go wrong.

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03-12-2003, 06:59 PM

Originally posted by Pornkings
Kinda like a salesman start high then tries to work a deal
I would use the same formula for your traffic

Exactly. If they come into a store with the anticipation of paying, no sense in offering them a free join right off the bat. In fact, it might confuse them, imagine having a customer come in with their visa ready and then telling them you can have this free for 3 days. They'll start to wonder what's the catch. They want to pay for access, so I have a better chance to make a higher margin. As the chances diminish of a sale being made, I start reducing the expectations by offering some freebies and alternate billing methods.

Slowly working down the scale...
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03-12-2003, 07:01 PM

Originally posted by Marcus

What part dont you believe? I'm in a similar situation as him.
Great ratio, 50/50 split, sponsor pays fees, rebills pretty well.

well since I talk to alot of the sponsors daily and from what I hear conversions have been ruff.
so i don't believe 1/180 on a full paid membership.

I'm a surfer I get offered a membership for a $1 for Free or 29.95
what are you gonna choose?

then again there are exceptions to every rule.

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03-12-2003, 07:05 PM

Originally posted by Pornkings
well since I talk to alot of the sponsors daily and from what I here conversions have been ruff.
so i don't believe 1/180 on a full paid membership.

For exclusive content or specific niche, it's very possible. I get 1:110 on my revshare deals. But it's extremely targetted.

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03-12-2003, 07:07 PM

Originally posted by WiredGuy

For exclusive content or specific niche, it's very possible. I get 1:110 on my revshare deals. But it's extremely targetted.

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what do you consider exclusive content? I still havn't figured that out.

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03-12-2003, 07:09 PM

Originally posted by Pornkings

well since I talk to alot of the sponsors daily and from what I here conversions have been ruff.
so i don't believe 1/180 on a full paid membership.

I'm a surfer I get offered a membership for a $1 for Free or 29.95
what are you gonna choose?

then again there are exceptions to every rule.

The site I was talking about is not a big name sponsor.

Big name sponsors have sites that are just a bunch of content packaged under a domain name.

They are not run with love.

This is all fine, because big name sponsors operate on volume more than they do on profits margins. Low margins, but high volume (just like McDonald's). That is their business model, and it works.

Big name sponsors are like McDonald's and the individual site owners that run their sites for the love of the niche are like mom's home cooking.

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03-12-2003, 07:10 PM

Originally posted by Pornkings
what do you consider exclusive content? I still havn't figured that out.

A site that contains pictures/videos that cannot be found anywhere else. Too many paysites use the same recycled feeds in the members areas and those diminish an experienced surfer's experience.

An example would be like Heather's site from IDeepThroat or Wife's World.

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03-12-2003, 07:14 PM

I've always promoted $35 per sign up programs but after 4 months of promoting a 50/50 revshare program now I'm finally starting to see how all these other webmasters make good money from rebills.

Wish I had done revshare when I started out and not wasted all this time promoting $35 per sale programs, but better late than never.
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03-12-2003, 07:15 PM

Originally posted by WiredGuy

A site that contains pictures/videos that cannot be found anywhere else. Too many paysites use the same recycled feeds in the members areas and those diminish an experienced surfer's experience.

An example would be like Heather's site from IDeepThroat or Wife's World.

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so you think a surfer knows that its exclusive and he's seen all the other content already?
I thought he just walked in the store first time?

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03-12-2003, 07:16 PM

Originally posted by WiredGuy
An example would be like Heather's site from IDeepThroat or Wife's World.

Both great sites run with love.

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03-12-2003, 07:16 PM

Rev share all the way. I have extensively tested all varieties for the past 2 1/2 years. At the end of the day, the rev share always paid out more.

And as an added bonus, most rev shares tend to be a cleaner, much more ethical variety of paysite. None of this dishonest 3 day trials that have to be cancelled after 2 days...no sneaky cross-bills..no FREE sites that include an add-on $39.95 mega-site ...basically none of the type of operators that I refer to as the "scum" of the adult business world.
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03-12-2003, 07:21 PM

Originally posted by 49thParallel
Rev share all the way. I have extensively tested all varieties for the past 2 1/2 years. At the end of the day, the rev share always paid out more.

And as an added bonus, most rev shares tend to be a cleaner, much more ethical variety of paysite. None of this dishonest 3 day trials that have to be cancelled after 2 days...no sneaky cross-bills..no FREE sites that include an add-on $39.95 mega-site ...basically none of the type of operators that I refer to as the "scum" of the adult business world.

I agree, but you can't just choose any site to promote with revshare.

I look for:

- exclusive content
-priced at or around $24.95/month
-updates at least once a week, preferrably more often

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03-12-2003, 07:22 PM

Originally posted by Pornkings
so you think a surfer knows that its exclusive and he's seen all the other content already? I thought he just walked in the store first time?

He walked into my store for the first time. No guarantees that this is his first time joining a paysite. If this surfer has joined at least one paysite from one of the larger sponsors and joins through my site to a new paysite and gets the same licensed feeds over again, he'll probably leave after the trial. If he see's brand new content, there's a much better chance he'll stay.

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03-12-2003, 07:26 PM

I think too many people have tried to push revsharing using those stupid graphs that try to tell you that the first month you'll make $1000, the second $2000, the third $4000, the fourth $8000, and so on. After a period of time the majority of subscribers level off at a certain 2-4 month retention rate (varies by site), with a sizable number canceling quick and a few staying on for a long time.

After a while, the people who stay on for 4+ months start to add up, and at 60% you're making roughly the $35 you'd make per singup after maybe 2 rebills. In the long run, if you plan to stay with the sponsor, and don't anticipate them fucking you over, revshare is the way to go IMO.
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03-12-2003, 07:26 PM

Originally posted by BRISK

I agree, but you can't just choose any site to promote with revshare.

I look for:

- exclusive content
-priced at or around $24.95/month
-updates at least once a week, preferrably more often

And I agree 100% with your response...

One program that I continue to make really good coin from is ProAdult . Their Quantum program has amazing longevity with rebills. I have many customers who rebill for 7 or 8 months.

And it meets my other criteria...no shady tricks played on the customers.
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03-12-2003, 07:28 PM

Originally posted by 49thParallel
Rev share all the way. I have extensively tested all varieties for the past 2 1/2 years. At the end of the day, the rev share always paid out more.

And as an added bonus, most rev shares tend to be a cleaner, much more ethical variety of paysite. None of this dishonest 3 day trials that have to be cancelled after 2 days...no sneaky cross-bills..no FREE sites that include an add-on $39.95 mega-site ...basically none of the type of operators that I refer to as the "scum" of the adult business world.

You should be selling halo's not porn.

Guess what Most people in this world think your Scum because your in porn.

that surfer you care so much about could care less about you because he thinks the same way about you, a scummy porn peddler.

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03-12-2003, 07:33 PM

Originally posted by Pornkings

You should be selling halo's not porn.

Guess what Most people in this world think your Scum because your in porn.

that surfer you care so much about could care less about you because he thinks the same way about you, a scummy porn peddler.

Hmmm...once again I get to make a living and not resort to dirty tricks...

There are different degrees of "scum"...I don't mind being a porn peddler...I do mind being a scamming thief. There is a difference.
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03-12-2003, 07:35 PM

Originally posted by Muff

No wonder we see pornkings on all the exits

yep If you can't convert them we will

been doing this for 7 years we got the formula down. we always focused on paysites to make sure we convert everything we can and we are always tweaking our sites so you don't have to worry about your conversions.

but anyways lets get back to all the styles of programs out there for paysites.

then we can go over all the other programs like freeezinebucks,join4free, download plus and dialers etc.

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03-12-2003, 07:43 PM

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Hmmm...once again I get to make a living and not resort to dirty tricks...

There are different degrees of "scum"...I don't mind being a porn peddler...I do mind being a scamming thief. There is a difference.

I give them a full month for a $1 how is that dirty tricks or are you talking about the other scum bags?

I would love to see a sponsor say they average 3-8 months with there members.
Please post because if you do I will send you a shit load of traffic

I have never heard of someone who does that well and like I said all us sponsors talk its a small industry

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03-12-2003, 07:44 PM

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I give them a full month for a $1 how is that dirty tricks or are you talking about the other scum bags?

I would love to see a sponsor say they average 3-8 months with there members.
Please post because if you do I will send you a shit load of traffic

I have never heard of someone who does that well and like I said all us sponsors talk its a small industry

lightspeed said they average 3 years

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03-12-2003, 07:54 PM

My point is, just because we are "porn peddlars", why does this justify anything other then respect and honesty towards our customers.

The way I see it, this is a business the same as any other HONEST business. If you can't make a fair rate of return with honest business dealings...that doesn't justify even one iota of manipulating the customer.

And what really slays me is that making comments like I have above, in this industry, will earn me disdain from other webmasters.

Thank god the rest of the world doesn't see it your way..I can just see it know...Architechual BBS's applauding a member because he was able to make maximum return by leaving out key and expensive support beams.

Your $1 program is based on confusing the surfer with enough offers through cross-bills - some which need things like 24 hour prior to trial end cancellations and so on.

And how do I know this. Remember, I challenged you on this very board about a year ago after I joined your sites, prior to promoting them...only to be stung by one of the 24 hour cancellation clauses.
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03-12-2003, 07:59 PM

Originally posted by Pornkings

I would love to see a sponsor say they average 3-8 months with there members.

P.S. Check out my sig. They are an AVS with an incredible back-end and very high standards for their submissions. So, the customer gets an honest and fair deal, with content that updates daily. I make my living off of them. And yes, I do get 3 - 8 months rebills...

They don't allow ANY advertising on their Quantum sites...So, I don't even have to worry about promoting sites at arms length whose ethics I do not agree with.

And like I said above. I joined your program to test it. And I'm a webmaster, so I know what to look for. And yet, even I felt I had been ripped off. So, is it any surprise that extensive rebills might seem like only a fairytale to you.

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03-12-2003, 08:00 PM

Originally posted by 49thParallel
My point is, just because we are "porn peddlars", why does this justify anything other then respect and honesty towards our customers.

The way I see it, this is a business the same as any other HONEST business. If you can't make a fair rate of return with honest business dealings...that doesn't justify even one iota of manipulating the customer.

And what really slays me is that making comments like I have above, in this industry, will earn me disdain from other webmasters.

Thank god the rest of the world doesn't see it your way..I can just see it know...Architechual BBS's applauding a member because he was able to make maximum return by leaving out key and expensive support beams.

Your $1 program is based on confusing the surfer with enough offers through cross-bills - some which need things like 24 hour prior to trial end cancellations and so on.

And how do I know this. Remember, I challenged you on this very board about a year ago after I joined your sites, prior to promoting them...only to be stung by one of the 24 hour cancellation clauses.

sorry but you have no idea what your talking about.
its all there on the site how can they get confused.

I guess if there that dumb they would join a site for full price with the so called (exclusive content)

I wish I had time to explain how things work to you.

I bet you never bought something on sale or half price etc.
you always pay full retail.
why do you think all the stores have 50% off to get you to walk in and hopefully sale you on something else.

when a dealership puts a car in the paper and it sounds cheap thats just to get you in the door.

get with the program

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03-12-2003, 08:03 PM

Originally posted by 49thParallel

P.S. Check out my sig. They are an AVS with an incredible back-end and very high standards for their submissions. So, the customer gets an honest and fair deal, with content that updates daily. I make my living off of them. And yes, I do get 3 - 8 months rebills...

They don't allow ANY advertising on their Quantum sites...So, I don't even have to worry about promoting sites at arms length whose ethics I do not agree with.

how much do they charge a month ?
and arn't AVS's full of fake sites with a small gallery as a memebrs section to get them to upsell to a sponsor or a real site?

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03-12-2003, 08:04 PM

Everything depends on your site, your traffic and your niche. It also depends on the sponsor. Run with love and good exclusive content like mentioned before can dramatically increase conversions on any level.
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03-12-2003, 08:07 PM

Originally posted by Pornkings

sorry but you have no idea what your talking about.
its all there on the site how can they get confused.

I guess if there that dumb they would join a site for full price with the so called (exclusive content)

I wish I had time to explain how things work to you.

I bet you never bought something on sale or half price etc.
you always pay full retail.
why do you think all the stores have 50% off to get you to walk in and hopefully sale you on something else.

when a dealership puts a car in the paper and it sounds cheap thats just to get you in the door.

get with the program

No, you don't have a clue how the REAL world works. The examples you quote are so much different then the way your "Adult" business model is structured.

If your clothing example was truly an example, then a store would discretly SNEAK another piece of clothing in your bag and then hide a credit card scanner at the exit to charge you as you exit the store.

And the car for the cheaper price is always available. You have to verbally agree to an upsell.

Sorry, no comparison...
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03-12-2003, 08:09 PM

Originally posted by foreverjason
Everything depends on your site, your traffic and your niche. It also depends on the sponsor. Run with love and good exclusive content like mentioned before can dramatically increase conversions on any level.

of course. some people like to think there is only a single way to run things, when of course that's completely untrue.

we'll miss you our friend. RIP
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49thParallel

So Fucking Banned

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03-12-2003, 08:10 PM

Originally posted by Pornkings

how much do they charge a month ?
and arn't AVS's full of fake sites with a small gallery as a memebrs section to get them to upsell to a sponsor or a real site?

Ok i'm out going to Sky bar and the standard be back later if Christina doesn't come over

Do YOUR homework. The Quantum sites are $23.95 per month. NO ADVERTISING Permitted!! No UPSELLS!! And the ProAdult back-end has a great deal more content, video feeds, and other QUALITY material then most of the other Paysites out there.
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