What's this patriot 2003 act all about
Saw this on the news tonight, I'm not in the US, but I'd be real pissed about this secret arrests BS
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Its Bushes way of doing waht he wants if he suspects you are a terrorist, be it look at internet records, library records and so on. -
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Simple.
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but if you are so for freedom, then why are you against the war? Iraqi people have zero freedom. In fact, if they say one bad word about saddam they are never heard from again.Ever notice that pretty much everything added to the Constitution after the original was a mistake.Comment
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yeah, bitches!!Originally posted by rooster
but if you are so for freedom, then why are you against the war? Iraqi people have zero freedom. In fact, if they say one bad word about saddam they are never heard from again.Comment
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I am not against the war. I am against the damned patriot acts, and other unamerican fascist responses to fear.
I said it in September, 2001, and I will say it again. No law passed in time of crisis or war should be allowed to last longer than 5 years unless it is voted on again.
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if you're a terrorist, be afraid. If you're and American, be happy, if you're afraid but not a terrorist, your a 20something clueless webmasterOriginally posted by Rip
Saw this on the news tonight, I'm not in the US, but I'd be real pissed about this secret arrests BS
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Originally posted by 12clicks
if you're a terrorist, be afraid. If you're and American, be happy, if you're afraid but not a terrorist, your a 20something clueless webmaster
What if your a Pornographer? Should I be afraid or happy?
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When you attempt to remove the rights on only a few, you undermine the rights of everyone. Your logic got a lot of people killed in Europe in the 40s.Originally posted by 12clicks
if you're a terrorist, be afraid. If you're and American, be happy, if you're afraid but not a terrorist, your a 20something clueless webmaster
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you should be afraid. supposedly they can only use these powers if you are a suspected terrorist. But when does it stop. They already have commecials saying how doind drugs supports terrorist. How long until they say drug dealers are terrorist and can use the patriot act on them. then are we far behind?Originally posted by J-Reel
What if your a Pornographer? Should I be afraid or happy?
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If you really believe that you are a fucking moron.Originally posted by 12clicks
if you're a terrorist, be afraid. If you're and American, be happy, if you're afraid but not a terrorist, your a 20something clueless webmaster
One thing, I forgot this last detail: the Biz Markie will always prevail.Comment
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Yes, 12clicks is a fucking moron!Originally posted by jimmy3way
If you really believe that you are a fucking moron.
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The new Patriot Act says if you have ever given any moeny to any organization that is considered an enemy of the US you automatically forfeit your US citizenship.Originally posted by kane
you should be afraid. supposedly they can only use these powers if you are a suspected terrorist. But when does it stop. They already have commecials saying how doind drugs supports terrorist. How long until they say drug dealers are terrorist and can use the patriot act on them. then are we far behind?
Meaning if you have ever given money directly or indirectly to any organization that affiliates with any middle eastern relief organization you are no longer a US citizen, if some career Justice Department bureaucrat decides so.
Oh, you've never helped out orphans in the middle east? Good for you, you're still a citizen.
But wait, did you give money to the World Wildlife Fund? Greenpeace? Natural Resources Defense Fund? Well the jury is still out, during the last Patriot Act several senators tried to include these organization in the list of terrorist groups the US has declared war on.
Yes this really is happening.One thing, I forgot this last detail: the Biz Markie will always prevail.Comment
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Oh yeah, am I the only person who noticed that the first USA Patriot Act, a set of various laws comprising some 500 pages was submitted to Congress by Ashhahahahaha's Justice Department less than three weeks after September 11th?
500 pages of law in less than three weeks? Ah riiiiiight this from the same government that takes 3 months to issue a simple passport.
Is this really happening? It is, isn't it?One thing, I forgot this last detail: the Biz Markie will always prevail.Comment
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The only hope for my beloved native land is if, after this bullshit is over, the pendulum swings the other way with the next administration.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but politics aside, when Bush was elected, you had a choice between one idiot, or another idiot (Gore/Bush)
By the reported popularity of Bush, isn't this kind of McCarthyism going to ensure that people don't vote for the guy next time around?
Depending on what kind of dope the democrats let run, I suppose....Comment
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Gore isn't an idiot. He's not great, but look at the choices we have in the political field. At least he understood somethign about international policy... policy in general, come to think of it.Originally posted by Rip
Correct me if I'm wrong, but politics aside, when Bush was elected, you had a choice between one idiot, or another idiot (Gore/Bush)
By the reported popularity of Bush, isn't this kind of McCarthyism going to ensure that people don't vote for the guy next time around?
Depending on what kind of dope the democrats let run, I suppose.
I think Bush is digging his own grave. However, I also know that people are pretty stupid. They may fall for it.
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Be afraid, be very afraid. I lived through the Nixon years of wire taps, undercover agents etc. During that time it was all illegal but they did it anyhow imagine what they will do if it is legal!Comment
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Agreed.Originally posted by Joe Sixpack
Yes, 12clicks is a fucking moron!
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Man, I gotta break out Plasm 69. I forgot how much of it was about Version 1.0 of this international mess.
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you should be happy. I am.Originally posted by J-Reel
What if your a Pornographer? Should I be afraid or happy?
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clueless, run out and find the law you know so well. Then read it instead of pretending to *know* it.Originally posted by gothweb
When you attempt to remove the rights on only a few, you undermine the rights of everyone. Your logic got a lot of people killed in Europe in the 40s.
If you are a suspected terrorist, the people suspecting you go before a judge, if the judge agrees with the suspectors, then, and only then do they get to use the tools of the patriot act.
Now, are you a terrorist or are you just stupid?I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.Comment
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no. sadly, if I believe this, I'm right.......as usual.Originally posted by jimmy3way
If you really believe that you are a fucking moron.I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.Comment
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Board troll.Originally posted by 12clicks
no. sadly, if I believe this, I'm right.......as usual.Comment
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You are very sadly ignorant about how government works. I lived the days of government trying to end the anti Vietnam war movement; laws were not relevant.Originally posted by 12clicks
clueless, run out and find the law you know so well. Then read it instead of pretending to *know* it.
If you are a suspected terrorist, the people suspecting you go before a judge, if the judge agrees with the suspectors, then, and only then do they get to use the tools of the patriot act.
Now, are you a terrorist or are you just stupid?
I also spent enough time working in a prosecutors office to know that individual rights are too often forgotten for the "public good". Government will do what it needs to survive, if you get in it's way you are a terrorist even if you are within your stated rights.Comment
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well then dope, I'd recommend you stop giving money to terrorists.Originally posted by jimmy3way
The new Patriot Act says if you have ever given any moeny to any organization that is considered an enemy of the US you automatically forfeit your US citizenship.
considering that almost *all* middle eastern relief orginizations are terrorist fronts, I suggest you stop supporting them.Originally posted by jimmy3way
Meaning if you have ever given money directly or indirectly to any organization that affiliates with any middle eastern relief organization you are no longer a US citizen, if some career Justice Department bureaucrat decides so.
Ever *thought* you helped orphans in the middle east? good, your too fucking stupid to understand you supported terrorism.Originally posted by jimmy3way
Oh, you've never helped out orphans in the middle east? Good for you, you're still a citizen.
If these orginizations want to use terrorist tactics, they'll be dealt with like terrorists. Too difficult for you to understand? too fucking bad.Originally posted by jimmy3way
But wait, did you give money to the World Wildlife Fund? Greenpeace? Natural Resources Defense Fund? Well the jury is still out, during the last Patriot Act several senators tried to include these organization in the list of terrorist groups the US has declared war on.
and yes, there are actually assholes who think its a bad thing.Originally posted by jimmy3way
Yes this really is happening.
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what happend all the kids on aol go to bed so you came back here?Originally posted by Mr.Fiction
Board troll.I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.Comment
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too truOriginally posted by Massivecock
Simple.
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oh, I'm sorry. these terrorists are a figment of the governments imagination. They are just pretending so they can grab our rights.Originally posted by Probono
You are very sadly ignorant about how government works. I lived the days of government trying to end the anti Vietnam war movement; laws were not relevant.
grow up hippie.
Then I'm sure you also so the guilty go free on a meaningless technicality. If not, your whole story is as lie. If so, then your saying its ok to let some terrorists go as long as they were treated properly on their way out.Originally posted by Probono
I also spent enough time working in a prosecutors office to know that individual rights are too often forgotten for the "public good". Government will do what it needs to survive, if you get in it's way you are a terrorist even if you are within your stated rights.
I guess it *is* a point of view.
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Policy, He Must Be Immediately Terminated
No Trial, No Explanation, No Warning - Just Immediate Obliteration
According to white house officials the president?s policy is that ?association? alone, with ANY suspected al queda or terrorist, is sufficient enough justification for immediate extermination by the cia or us military.
Yet there is NO other family in America today who has had closer ties with the Bin Ladens than the Bush family.
These words were published dec 5 on a website called voxfux. Go here for the complete article. On dec 18 the guys home was raided by 40 agents from a joint group of cia, fbi, and the federal major crimes unit in nyc. He wasnt there and is currently on the lam, but they comfiscated his computer equipment and his site has been shut down. If you dont believe it look up voxfux on google.
All you republicans out there be careful what you wish (and vote) for. You just might get it.Last edited by Big Monkie; 02-25-2003, 07:28 PM.Comment
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12 Click, are corporations that do business with terrorists like Saddam also guilty of the same crimes in your world? For example, would you agree that the CEO of a company who was doing deals with Saddam in the year 1999 should be prosecuted for supporting terrorism in the same way that some person who donated to a charity that helped the Iraqi army should be?
What's your position on that - corporations who financially support Saddam?Comment
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Wow.
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True some of the guilty go free and some innocent people spend time in prison. The system is not perfect.Originally posted by 12clicks
Then I'm sure you also so the guilty go free on a meaningless technicality. If not, your whole story is as lie. If so, then your saying its ok to let some terrorists go as long as they were treated properly on their way out.
I guess it *is* a point of view.
Still when the government believes it is above the law it becomes a problem for all. I saw prosecutors target people and bring them down because they believed they were a potential problem.
I also had my phone tapped and two undercover cops assigned to watch me during the Vietnam war era. One of the cops became a good friend. Other undercover cops lied under oath in a Federal trial to jail two friends accused of burnign a US flag during a demonstration. One of them was actually a provocator who created the incident. I lived through this crap first hand.
I will never trust the government because I have been there and done that.
That does not mean that government is evil, but government is made of men and women willing to do what they must to achieve their assigned goals and not all of them are honest or moral in their means.Comment
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Suspect Defined:Originally posted by kane
you should be afraid. supposedly they can only use these powers if you are a suspected terrorist. But when does it stop. They already have commecials saying how doind drugs supports terrorist. How long until they say drug dealers are terrorist and can use the patriot act on them. then are we far behind?
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This is the same bullshit that allows Police Officers to ILLEGALLY search your vehicle!!!
They only have to SUSPECT that you have something, and that gives them warrant to search your car. Has an officer ever asked if he/she can search your vehicle, and you tell them "NO, I'd rather you didn't."... I have... 5 times already... and every fucking time, they pull that shit... "I think I smell marijuana coming from the vehicle... That gives me the authority to search your vehicle."
FUCK THAT SHIT! This fucking country is going to shit. We need to revolt and take it back. The government has WAY too much power over it's citizens, they do NOT need more.
If this bullshit progresses, we can all kiss our happy "freedom" goodbye. Not that we really have it now, but, at least it's more than most countries have.
If a fucking suit shows up at my door, wanting to search my home... They can do it over my cold dead body.
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You're either confused, drunk, or just trying to bait people.Originally posted by 12clicks
Originally posted by jimmy3way
But wait, did you give money to the World Wildlife Fund? Greenpeace? Natural Resources Defense Fund? Well the jury is still out, during the last Patriot Act several senators tried to include these organization in the list of terrorist groups the US has declared war on.
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If these orginizations want to use terrorist tactics, they'll be dealt with like terrorists. Too difficult for you to understand? too fucking bad.
and yes, there are actually assholes who think its a bad thing.
All relief organizations based in the Middle East using terrorist tactics? The Red Cross?
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If History teaches one thing, its don't fuck with THE PEOPLE. The minute a country begins to erode its peoples' liberties, it begins the erosion of the government itself.
It might not happen in my lifetime, but I'm sure many of you or your children for sure will witness and participate in a mass uprising against the government one day. Its going in the direction of the opressive regimes on which this great lady was founded with dedication to fight at all costs and sacrificies.
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if that business broke the law in doing business with iraq (some businesses are allowed to) then they should be procecuted. period.Originally posted by Mr.Fiction
12 Click, are corporations that do business with terrorists like Saddam also guilty of the same crimes in your world? For example, would you agree that the CEO of a company who was doing deals with Saddam in the year 1999 should be prosecuted for supporting terrorism in the same way that some person who donated to a charity that helped the Iraqi army should be?
What's your position on that - corporations who financially support Saddam?
what is your position on this?I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.Comment
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i say its time to kill every terrorist and Sadam, its time to drop
a bomb !
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there is no sign of that.Originally posted by Probono
Still when the government believes it is above the law it becomes a problem for all.
we can all bring up examples from 35yrs ago.Originally posted by Probono
I saw prosecutors target people and bring them down because they believed they were a potential problem.
I also had my phone tapped and two undercover cops assigned to watch me during the Vietnam war era. One of the cops became a good friend. Other undercover cops lied under oath in a Federal trial to jail two friends accused of burnign a US flag during a demonstration. One of them was actually a provocator who created the incident. I lived through this crap first hand.
I will never trust the government because I have been there and done that.
That doesn't concern me one bit when dealing with terrorist.Originally posted by Probono
That does not mean that government is evil, but government is made of men and women willing to do what they must to achieve their assigned goals and not all of them are honest or moral in their means.
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of course. We all know the red cross is based in the middle east! how stupid of me!Originally posted by fnet
You're either confused, drunk, or just trying to bait people.
All relief organizations based in the Middle East using terrorist tactics? The Red Cross?
Go stick your dick in a toaster oven.
what school are you going to again? clown college?
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Part of me wants to argue with 12clicks. But then I realize that the basic premise of what I have already said is that there are tons of people like him. At this point, we just gotta hope they aren't in the majority... or, come to think of it, even a "Florida Majority".
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My position is that your hero Bush is expanding U.S. government power faster and further than any recent Democrat ever dreamed of and people like you, who probably supported smaller government a couple years ago, who probably thought Clinton's blowjob was the worst thing that ever happened to America, now think that we should have military law and burn the constitution if it will protect them from the big bad "terrorists".Originally posted by 12clicks
if that business broke the law in doing business with iraq (some businesses are allowed to) then they should be procecuted. period.
what is your position on this?
Then again, maybe you just like to stir up shit.
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Mr Fiction, you appear to be a pretty smart guy. Well said.
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Ok, does that include countries too? Like the usa who created, trained and supplied both saddam and osama? Like the usa which has repeatedly supported terrorism when it was in its own interests?Originally posted by 12clicks
If these orginizations want to use terrorist tactics, they'll be dealt with like terrorists.
Are you saying that the usa should be dealt with like terrorists? Sure sounds that way.Comment
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Translation: I'd like to argue about it but he's already pointed out that I don't really know *what* the law says so I won't open my mouth and remove all doubt.Originally posted by gothweb
Part of me wants to argue with 12clicks. But then I realize that the basic premise of what I have already said is that there are tons of people like him. At this point, we just gotta hope they aren't in the majority... or, come to think of it, even a "Florida Majority".
you're a smart one.
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Bravo! 12 clicks will applaud when they haul off the pornographers to sit in jail with the people who sold waterpipes.Originally posted by Mr.Fiction
My position is that your hero Bush is expanding U.S. government power faster and further than any recent Democrat ever dreamed of and people like you, who probably supported smaller government a couple years ago, who probably thought Clinton's blowjob was the worst thing that ever happened to America, now think that we should have military law and burn the constitution if it will protect them from the big bad "terrorists".
Then again, maybe you just like to stir up shit.
On GFY, you never know.Comment
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I didn't think you'd answer my question. you're to busy hating your betters to let a debate on the facts get in the way.Originally posted by Mr.Fiction
My position is that your hero Bush is expanding U.S. government power faster and further than any recent Democrat ever dreamed of and people like you, who probably supported smaller government a couple years ago, who probably thought Clinton's blowjob was the worst thing that ever happened to America, now think that we should have military law and burn the constitution if it will protect them from the big bad "terrorists".
Then again, maybe you just like to stir up shit.
On GFY, you never know.
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