Besides Blood-Dolls, any other sponsors have a problem with a gallery template design with your site logo on it and being used to promote your site with ?
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Maybe I'm drinking too much or maybe its not enough but I'm not quite clear on what your askin
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From a paysite, or from another gallery a designer did for the site owner?Comment
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Pretty simple. In your webmaster area, where you list promotional material. Is it really NOT ok to cannibalize your logo and free content to create a tgp gallery template from ?- Free Premium Domain Lists and Tools at Clickmojo.com
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I don't see how this can be a problem. I have seen gallery design done by designers for some of our affilliates that include all or part of my logos, and my thought is that they will be sending traffic that is more targetted. Maybe I am missing something?Comment
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I don't think there is anything wrong with it, but as I keep saying, once you slap a price tag on free promo material you didn't completely create it creates other issues.
And there is nothing worse than a designer taking credit for other designers work. We all know this.Comment
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What if YOU have these templates for webmasters to use in your webmaster promotional area ? It's not like they're taken from some other site or what someone else had purchased.Originally posted by Sly_RJ
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So then what is someone paying for? This honestly doesn't make sense to me.
Do you pay for the graphics, layout, thumb size? What I cannot grasp is why would someone want to pay another to assemble a bunch of graphics and thumbs from the sponsor's free promo content?
Maybe most people just aren't capable of doing that themselves, and that is why they pay someone else to do it?
For the record, I'm not trying to argue with anyone, but would like to understand this issue on both sides.Comment
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I wanted to sign up with ddf-cash (Denys DeFrancesco) the other day, but the pop-up window with the conditions clearly stated something like
"you're not permitted to use any images or other parts of our sites to promote our sites..."
I thought 'bugger them', clicked the little red cross and was out of there! How the hell do they think I will promote them if I can't even use their logo??Spam me with design ideas for my signature - LOL!Comment
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Did you see the 2 different templates ? The only thing that was "reused" was the Text Logo. It said "Blood Dolls". I'm sure that he thought it was just the sites logo and not something another designer had created. He got it from the webmaster promo tools area of the blood-money site in the first place.Originally posted by CosmicKitten
So then what is someone paying for? This honestly doesn't make sense to me.
Do you pay for the graphics, layout, thumb size? What I cannot grasp is why would someone want to pay another to assemble a bunch of graphics and thumbs from the sponsor's free promo content?
Maybe most people just aren't capable of doing that themselves, and that is why they pay someone else to do it?
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Seems like you're kindof twisting this Brujah.
I don't mind people using my design elements in their work. As long as they ask permission. I even offer all sorts of images that I am okay with people using pretty much sight-unseen.
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This is making me think.... so I can pull logo's and graphics from sites, throw in some text and a couple more graphics to make a gallery, and sell them to people for $30- $40? For specified sponsors. Is there really a demand for this?
Because I have been under the impression when you purchase graphic design work you are buying original created stuff, different from the site but maybe similar.
Damn I need to get busy
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What am I twisting ? The promo area contains free content, hosted galleries, etc.. I think they're coming down harder on Tuga than is necessary. He didn't steal someone else's work. He took what he thought was a SITE LOGO to sit atop the gallery template he was making for webmasters to promote the site with.Originally posted by gothweb
Seems like you're kindof twisting this Brujah.
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I think it's alittle more than just assembling the existing graphics, and even if it weren't, then yes there are webmasters with lack of design skills who can't even do this. The galleries that I've seen made for my affilliates by designers have not been 'just assembling the graphics'. It takes an eye for layout, for flow, and for sales text. However, I think it is wise, not lazy, to use text and graphics from the site's tour that you're promoting.Originally posted by CosmicKitten
This is making me think.... so I can pull logo's and graphics from sites, throw in some text and a couple more graphics to make a gallery, and sell them to people for $30- $40? For specified sponsors. Is there really a demand for this?
Because I have been under the impression when you purchase graphic design work you are buying original created stuff, different from the site but maybe similar.
Damn I need to get busy
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Why not pull logos and graphics from sites if they're contained in the promotional tools section ? Isn't that what it's for ?Originally posted by CosmicKitten
This is making me think.... so I can pull logo's and graphics from sites, throw in some text and a couple more graphics to make a gallery, and sell them to people for $30- $40? For specified sponsors. Is there really a demand for this?
Because I have been under the impression when you purchase graphic design work you are buying original created stuff, different from the site but maybe similar.
Damn I need to get busy
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Is there a thread that I can reference about this Tuga guy and the Blodd Dolls gallery in question?Comment
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yeah cool, I'm about to become a millionaire by dawn with my new business plan. Thanks.Originally posted by Brujah
Why not pull logos and graphics from sites if they're contained in the promotional tools section ? Isn't that what it's for ?Comment
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There is a difference between a 'logo' and snagging graphics from a template.Originally posted by Brujah
Did you see the 2 different templates ? The only thing that was "reused" was the Text Logo. It said "Blood Dolls". I'm sure that he thought it was just the sites logo and not something another designer had created. He got it from the webmaster promo tools area of the blood-money site in the first place.
I even said In my original posts affiliates can use graphcis to push a site, yes.
But when a designer steals graphics from someone elses work and then resells it, thats the problem.
Affiliates can use them, but designers trying to market a service, as in 'design skills' based on snagged graphics - should not resell graphics.
I was not paid for a logo on that. It was a template. Logos are more, like 150. In that fee you release rights for the logo to be used and reused.
But you dont get those rights on a 25$ template jack.
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http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...hreadid=110457Originally posted by turbo
Is there a thread that I can reference about this Tuga guy and the Blodd Dolls gallery in question?- Free Premium Domain Lists and Tools at Clickmojo.com
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Here is where I explained it, if you really must read about it...
http://www.newbiewebmasters.com/show...&threadid=4166
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The Hun and everyone else posts my galleries when I put my big "S" logo in them
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As a non-designer, I had no idea the differences involved when you buy a template from someone. I would've assumed that after I bought it, it's mine. I can do what I want with it. I didn't know the designer had rights to it anymore, once it's been paid for.Originally posted by Fletch XXX
There is a difference between a 'logo' and snagging graphics from a template.
I even said In my original posts affiliates can use graphcis to push a site, yes.
But when a designer steals graphics from someone elses work and then resells it, thats the problem.
Affiliates can use them, but designers trying to market a service, as in 'design skills' based on snagged graphics - should not resell graphics.
I was not paid for a logo on that. It was a template. Logos are more, like 150. In that fee you release rights for the logo to be used and reused.
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That's what I thought too...Originally posted by Brujah
I would've assumed that after I bought it, it's mine. I can do what I want with it. I didn't know the designer had rights to it anymore, once it's been paid for...and I'm off.Comment
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That's not the site logo. I was speaking of the site logo. As a designer, I would not copy an existing hosted gallery from a sponsor, but I would incorporate text and images from the actual site tour. I also do all the designs for our hosted galleries, though... so if someone dis do this with my stuff, there wouldn't be an issue like we have here.
Brujah, maybe you could have referenced this thread in your original post as it is relevant to your question.Comment
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K. I read it. But again, that wasn't the site logo.Originally posted by Tuga
Here is where I explained it, if you really must read about it...
http://www.newbiewebmasters.com/show...&threadid=4166Comment
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It's a stylized font spelling out the name of the site. It looked like a site logo. It's used on all the hosted gallery templates for webmasters. What would you call it ?Originally posted by turbo
That's not the site logo. I was speaking of the site logo. As a designer, I would not copy an existing hosted gallery from a sponsor, but I would incorporate text and images from the actual site tour. I also do all the designs for our hosted galleries, though... so if someone dis do this with my stuff, there wouldn't be an issue like we have here.
Brujah, maybe you could have referenced this thread in your original post as it is relevant to your question.
Even so, is it better to create lots of different logo's rather than use what the site has already branded, in promoting the site ?
I understand the issue. I just don't agree with it. I've got traffic. I can't design. I pay other people to design templates or sites for me. If you have a promo tools area, and hosted galleries for me to use.. I'm not aware that I can't get a designer to create something unique for me from it unless I'm told. So that's my fault. I understand, when in doubt.. ask first. But on that same note, why would I want to even bother at that point ? Sponsors are dime a dozen, I can use the next one who might not mind as much.- Free Premium Domain Lists and Tools at Clickmojo.com
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But, I can see the grey area here. Interesting topic.Comment
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Here's a simple way to understand the whole thing. A well-meaning designer made a mistake, thinking that a non-standard logo was the site logo. I don't blame him, and hope he will do a design with the real site logo.
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When I buy gallery designs / templates for my sites I want to own them 100% outright.
Any use of any design or text elements to promote my sites is actively encouraged
I have never seen this middleman designer case before but its not really my business whether my affiliate made the thing himself or paid someone to do it. If an affiliate is using design elements I own to promote my sites I am happy.Comment
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The people you do have to vigorously protect are the gallery builders who make their own templates to do their own promotion, only to see them ripped off by tgp owners etc.Comment
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If you hire good designers you will not need the logo of the website to promote your galleries. It's a good thing though using the logo of the sponsor, it helps conversionsComment
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Well Every sponsor I have talked with gave me the ok to do just this, I don't charge for custom graphics I charge for resizing, adding the images, making them templates so all you have to do is drop more images in the dir and bam you have a fresh gallery. I do custom graphics, banners, logos for others as well. But I find the webmaster is more happy if I make their galleries look more like the sponsors website. Think of it this away, if the sponsor is making money off their layout, text etc... don't you think you would make money promoting it that away as well? *shrugs*
But I only charge $5.00 to $8.00 not $25.00 to $50.00 if I did that then imo that would be stealing and reselling the sponsors graphics. The way I do it and YOU may disagree ( i got the ok from the sponsors) But I only charge for the time it takes to grab the images, redo the tables, rename the images, resize and sometimes put my own text.
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I did more than grabing and resizing... you can see that by looking at the template. I will be ending this story very soon, just uploading some files...
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If we have templates available in our free content area, use them. If we have pictures and videos available in our free content area, use them. If we have ads and buttons in our free content area, use them.Originally posted by Brujah
What if YOU have these templates for webmasters to use in your webmaster promotional area ? It's not like they're taken from some other site or what someone else had purchased.
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AMEN!Originally posted by Sly_RJ
If we have templates available in our free content area, use them. If we have pictures and videos available in our free content area, use them. If we have ads and buttons in our free content area, use them.
I don't give a rats ass what you do as long as you're not using our items to push other sites, or using someone else's items to push our sites. Just send me the fucking sales.- Free Premium Domain Lists and Tools at Clickmojo.com
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Originally posted by Sly_RJ
If we have templates available in our free content area, use them. If we have pictures and videos available in our free content area, use them. If we have ads and buttons in our free content area, use them.
I don't give a rats ass what you do as long as you're not using our items to push other sites, or using someone else's items to push our sites. Just send me the fucking sales.
thats how I feel about it too mate if you can use something of my sites to help DO IT, hell if it does real good I may pay you for the idea and use it on the main site *shrugs*
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It comes back to what I posted in Roxannes thread about templates http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/showthread.php?s=&threadid=108553&highlight=templa tes :
Now - if you guys running the paysites make sure you completely own the logos and graphics a designer did for you, why don't you ask them straight away to provide clean versions (separate from the tour pages) to be re-used on gallery templates, etc., and post them as advertising material?!?Hint to sponsors:
release a few neutral-background images and header graphics to be used in templates - I find it very tedious to have to cut the logo of a site from a tour page with fading or overlapping background images!
With the current trend of full page gallery templates this would be a great help to all designers.
Or if the guys who did the original work are greedy there could be an extra clause saying something like "if you're planning to sell your work/gallery template please pay the creator of the graphics $x.xx [like $3-5 seems to be reasonable for a template worth $25-35] per graphic used in your design"Spam me with design ideas for my signature - LOL!Comment
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When having a designer do work for you, you should have them sign a "work for hire" contract. This will assign *all* rights to you, so you can do whatever you want with the deliverables. If you do not sign any such contract then if you are sold a gallery template, you may be violating the designer's copyright if you use parts of it (such as the logo) for other purposes (you purchased the rights to use that logo in a gallery template, no place else). I'm no lawyer, but I frequently read law (I have setup several businesses myself, with no lawyer fees) and copyright law is complicated as shit (thats why copyright lawyers make the big bucks).FTVGirls simply convert better.
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