OK, So now pilots can have a handgun in the cockpit. What do you think?
I am pro firearms and I think it's a bad idea. What are your views?
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i juste hop they wont shoot me
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Why not? They already have the lives of everybody in their hands.Comment
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Sounds like a stupid idea.
We'll see what happens during the first emergency with an armed pilot - will the pilot save the day, will the gun fall into the wrong hands, will someone shoot the controls or an innocent person, or will the pilot go crazy and shoot everyone?
We'll see.Comment
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Why not just have a tranquilizer dart gun? Or a stun gun?
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Great first we had drunks in the cockpit, now they are really loaded
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"Pilot shoot snoring co-pilot"
It's a great idea.Comment
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Great idea! Now the terrorists don't even have to try to get anything past security.. 3 or 4 of them rush the cockpit, break through the door and they've got their own handgun.. Maybe they lose one or two guys, but hey, what were they gonna do anyway- survive?
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Exactly - having any real guns in a pressurized tube is just asking for trouble. What happens when they kill the terrorist and the bullet travels through the persons body straight out of the plane. Once the bullet punctures the airplanes skin the pressure differential is going to tear a huge hole in the plane and everyone is going to get sucked out to their deaths. Those still buckled in who don't suffocate are going to die as the plane comes spinning out of the sky.Originally posted by Nysus
Why not just have a tranquilizer dart gun? Or a stun gun?
Cheers,
Matt
What is this solving?Comment
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I had no idea there were so many sniviling pansies on this board.
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why the hell not. shit, waste all the planes arsenal, land the motherfucker and get out bustin caps. fuck'em all
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havent we all seen Con-air. we all know what will happen.
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how about just put a security officer instead?
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I doubt they will give them any powerful guns. Probably something like a .22 or a .38.Originally posted by PaulSweet
Exactly - having any real guns in a pressurized tube is just asking for trouble. What happens when they kill the terrorist and the bullet travels through the persons body straight out of the plane. Once the bullet punctures the airplanes skin the pressure differential is going to tear a huge hole in the plane and everyone is going to get sucked out to their deaths. Those still buckled in who don't suffocate are going to die as the plane comes spinning out of the sky.
What is this solving?
It would be very hard to get through the glass or the walls of an airplane even with something more powerful.Comment
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Actually the are giving them 40 calibre handguns.
Heres the CNN article. The will only be allowed to use them in the cockpit.
http://www.cnn.com/2003/TRAVEL/02/19...uns/index.htmlComment
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Subsonic rounds + soft expanding bullets maybe? .40 caliber sounds about right to do that sort of thing with.Originally posted by PaulSweet
Exactly - having any real guns in a pressurized tube is just asking for trouble. What happens when they kill the terrorist and the bullet travels through the persons body straight out of the plane.Comment
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I don't have a problem with that at all...as long as they have the serious training to back up the new equipment I think it's a good idea.
And like someone else mentioned they already have everyone's lives in their hands as it is....Investor with 5m - 15m USD to invest. Do you have a site or network of sites earning 50k - 200k a month income? Email your contact and preliminary data to: domain.cashventures (at) gmail.com....Please...no tire kickers...serious offers and inquiries only.
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I'm more worried about the fact that all our defense measures seem to be going towards fighting yesterdays war, the one we lost on Sept. 11th. Pilots with guns, anti-aircraft missile deployments and shit.. the terrorists aren't going to try hijacking commercial jets again. It'll be dirty bombs, surface to air shoulder launched weapons, or some other shit we don't expect and are least prepared for.Comment
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Originally posted by Gutterboy
I'm more worried about the fact that all our defense measures seem to be going towards fighting yesterdays war, the one we lost on Sept. 11th. Pilots with guns, anti-aircraft missile deployments and shit.. the terrorists aren't going to try hijacking commercial jets again. It'll be dirty bombs, surface to air shoulder launched weapons, or some other shit we don't expect and are least prepared for.
good point
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Weren't we supposed to have disguised sky marshalls and shit on every flight?
is that happenning?Comment
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if they can have handguns, then we should be able to have full fledged automatic rifles.. because we are paying customers, and they need to keep us happy.WickedFire.com - Stay here. We don't need more of you. Not unless you have money, then, fine...Comment
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Originally posted by BV
I am pro firearms and I think it's a bad idea. What are your views?
My view is the same as before they had guns... Don't fuck with the pilots.Comment
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Difficult subject.
Only thing I can say is - guns should be given only to people who REALLY know how to handle them. There are much better ways than arming pilots. Check what El-Al is doing (Israeli air-line) [actually its the government rather then the airline]Comment
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Very graphic.Originally posted by PaulSweet
Exactly - having any real guns in a pressurized tube is just asking for trouble. What happens when they kill the terrorist and the bullet travels through the persons body straight out of the plane. Once the bullet punctures the airplanes skin the pressure differential is going to tear a huge hole in the plane and everyone is going to get sucked out to their deaths. Those still buckled in who don't suffocate are going to die as the plane comes spinning out of the sky.
What is this solving?
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Originally posted by Nysus
Why not just have a tranquilizer dart gun? Or a stun gun?
Cheers,
Matt
I agree a Stun Gun seems like a better Idea to me. That way you don't blow a hole in a window at 30,000 feet by accident.Comment
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guns!?Originally posted by BV
I am pro firearms and I think it's a bad idea. What are your views?
give em a bazooka and see who is gonna fuck round now!Comment
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bought time they got firearms in the cockpit. you would of thought they would of let pilots have guns long time ago.<img src="http://home.hawaii.rr.com/hobble/robman2.jpg">
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Originally posted by XXXManager
Difficult subject.
Only thing I can say is - guns should be given only to people who REALLY know how to handle them. There are much better ways than arming pilots. Check what El-Al is doing (Israeli air-line) [actually its the government rather then the airline]
the Israeli's even had to take out a psycho fuck in LAX...
they know what they're doing when it comes to security and protecting people's lives as much as possible.
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I agree. Now, there is at least one gun on the plane. That allows a new strategy for a potential group of jackers. Especially if pilots "think" they can handle the problem.Originally posted by Backov
Great idea! Now the terrorists don't even have to try to get anything past security.. 3 or 4 of them rush the cockpit, break through the door and they've got their own handgun.. Maybe they lose one or two guys, but hey, what were they gonna do anyway- survive?
Dumb fucking idea.
The goal should be land the damn plane asap when any issue arises. Therefore, the doors should be made inpenetrable, and the doors should close before passengers are on board, and open after they have left the plane. Very simple.
These strategies, just like "increased" airport / airplane security seem to ignore the fundamental premise of the 9/11 attack.
The terrorists followed the rules , and were extremely successful (3/4).
And were probably able to abort other attempts without being captured...which I find more problematic, and less focused on by any intel agency.
The next attempt will follow the rules, and exploit inadequate policy in the existing security.
Probably terrorists disguised as pilots/flight crew/maintence will walk right on the damn plane, and commender the gun to use on a "group of terrorists."
We will see how long it takes for a gun mishap / drunk pilot / new exploit.
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i just hope they're a good shot...Originally posted by BV
I am pro firearms and I think it's a bad idea. What are your views?Comment
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it'd be nice if the pilots would blow the heads off those annoying people who get up every 30 minutes to go to the can
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it wont matter, the terrorists will never get the opportunity to invade a cockpit ever again anyhow... they will have had moved on to different ways to fuck up americans...Crypto HODLr
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maybe no cockpit door at all?, just a bulletproof, gas proof self contained cockpit with a 3 or 4 man crew.Comment
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Well as long as we have planes full of passengers that would allow terrorists to run them into buildings I would rather they have a gun.Originally posted by BV
I am pro firearms and I think it's a bad idea. What are your views?
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unless you're trying to hijack the plane... i dont think you have to worry about it
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I have a better idea than guns, just rig the whole plane, besides the cockpit, with sleeping gas outlets. The pilots then could just press a button and put everyone to sleep and when everyone is asleep, throw the terrorists out of the plane.
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Or depressurize the cabin slightly, at a high altitude you would pass out with lack of enough oxygen. Pilots could then use their oxygen masks and just deactivate the passenger compartment emergency masks, after everyone is passed out they could run back and slit hijackers throats and feel up the stewardesses a little bit.Originally posted by nofx
I have a better idea than guns, just rig the whole plane, besides the cockpit, with sleeping gas outlets. The pilots then could just press a button and put everyone to sleep and when everyone is asleep, throw the terrorists out of the plane.Comment
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