Originally posted by Choker
How is this a temper tantrum? Not at all. Pimpdog challenges me I challenge his program. It's that simple. 8000 to his galleries, 220 click thrus, no signups so far. For you guys calling me childish, why don't you search thru GFY for all the crap Pimpshit has said about me. Now that is childish. I am paying the TGPs sending to these galleries in traffic back to their TGPS. This test is costing me a lot of money. I am putting my money where my mouth is here. Nothing more nothing less. Let's just see if Pimpdog is up to the challenge
the sites i promote with epic cash are all performing very well. two of the sites are excellent performers. you should do well.
Originally posted by CDSmith If you understood where Choker gets his traffic from, you'd know that the likelihood of a problem with it is pretty small. It simply comes from too many diverse sources, like 2 or 300 different sites, maybe more now.
Traffic is traffic.
I'm not really sure what this test will prove to the masses, but if the program gets signups and both sides make some money, I don't see much harm. I'd be cheering him on if it was my program.
Over 2000 TGPs now CD Smith. Hit me up on icq please.
People who know what I do understand what this test means.
For the ones who do not, I am offering Pimpdog a way out his pointless war with him, and letting him save some face here. This is much more than he would ever do for me.
Originally posted by Choker
I am offering Pimpdog a way out his pointless war with him, and letting him save some face here. This is much more than he would ever do for me.
How is he gonna save his face exactly? Admitting that your traffic is the best he's ever gotten to his sites? Kissing your ass for sending free traffic?
AHEM, its not that cut and dry.
I make galleries for a living, and I buy lots of TGP traffic from most of the big TGP's.
I take those exact same galleries that make me money day in and day out on paid listings and bought your traffic and didn't do shit. (difference is I put the pics on html to conform to your rules)
Now all of a sudden my galleries and my sponsors are shit because they didn't convert your traffic?
We all know, blind link traffic simply does not convert all that well. So, you are sending traffic to some epic galleries that the surfer didn't intend on going to....And you are surprised that the surfers aren't clicking through...I would be much more surprised if they did click thru...
All this test shows is that Choker is another member of this board who is controlled by his emotions and not by common business sense...Sorry mate, I won't give you my business...
Originally posted by Equinox
How is he gonna save his face exactly? Admitting that your traffic is the best he's ever gotten to his sites? Kissing your ass for sending free traffic?
First it's not free, I signed up for his program, am using my affiliate linking urls, and am paying for the traffic to his galleries. 2 million hits that is $1000 in costs to me. The rest you figure out yourself.
Sorry... but there is no such thing as "Works with any traffic" "1:20 Conversions", etc. etc.
It works for some people, doesn't work for others... Its the law of averages...
if you think that 2 people can send 200k to the same gallery and get even close to the same amt of signups, even off the same traffic, you're kidding yourself... some days you'll get 0, some days you'll get 20, or what say you.
That being said, I had good results with Choker and will use him again quite shortly, in addition to some of the other programs coming/that came out. =)
Originally posted by 49thParallel We all know, blind link traffic simply does not convert all that well. So, you are sending traffic to some epic galleries that the surfer didn't intend on going to....And you are surprised that the surfers aren't clicking through...I would be much more surprised if they did click thru...
All this test shows is that Choker is another member of this board who is controlled by his emotions and not by common business sense...Sorry mate, I won't give you my business...
First it's not free, I signed up for his program, am using my affiliate linking urls, and am paying for the traffic to his galleries. 2 million hits that is $1000 in costs to me. The rest you figure out yourself.
if you don't double your money at the very least then something is wrong, and it isn't with epic cash.
Originally posted by Choker Over 2000 TGPs now CD Smith. Hit me up on icq please.
People who know what I do understand what this test means.
For the ones who do not, I am offering Pimpdog a way out his pointless war with him, and letting him save some face here. This is much more than he would ever do for me.
Ah, right. I forgot about the last updated list I'd seen of yours back when you were still just getting the whole "traffic back" thing started, and it was somewhere around 500 at that time. 2000 now? Holy shit.
For the record --- anyone using the term "circle-jerking" to describe Choker's traffic doesn't have a clue what circle-jerking is. Go surf a few dozen real CJ sites and then try surfing a few tgp's that send hits to Choker, and you'll learn. I'd suggest learning before speaking.
Originally posted by 49thParallel We all know, blind link traffic simply does not convert all that well. So, you are sending traffic to some epic galleries that the surfer didn't intend on going to
It's not blind it's very targeted. I want to make my $1000 investment back. I do not have money to throw in the garbage.
So far no signups, but the CTR is looking better, not bad for non webmaster friendly galleries actually. He could make them more aggressive IMO.
Originally posted by Choker
If the shoe fits wear it.
Ok so the gallery made money (not just sales, but enough sales to cover the cost of the listing and the bandwidth plus a healthy profit) on The Hun, SublimeDirectory, Snakesworld, Thumbnailpost, Shemp, Pinkworld, and Thumbzilla, I get 200K traffic from you and no sales and all of a sudden its my gallery or my sponsor's fault?
First it's not free, I signed up for his program, am using my affiliate linking urls, and am paying for the traffic to his galleries. 2 million hits that is $1000 in costs to me. The rest you figure out yourself.
Genius - is he paying you to send him your traffic (beside the signup money) ? No. So it is 'free' for him.
Ok so the gallery made money (not just sales, but enough sales to cover the cost of the listing and the bandwidth plus a healthy profit) on The Hun, SublimeDirectory, Snakesworld, Thumbnailpost, Shemp, Pinkworld, and Thumbzilla, I get 200K traffic from you and no sales and all of a sudden its my gallery or my sponsor's fault?
If I everytime I sent 200k to a gallery and did not get a signup I would have quit 3 years gao. 200k is really nothing to a gallery. When you buy by the million hits then if you don't get signups you can bitch. I am being very fair and sending Pimpdog 2 million.
First off, on the first page I mentioned image source. I was wrong. I fucked up. I'll take the blame no problem, just as I said I would. Choker did not image source anything, as I'm sure you've already concluded.
I apologize, I freaked out by some of the posts Choker was making and then the sudden influx of traffic. Since his Epic Cash account was canceled 2 weeks ago, I had no reason to believe he was sending traffic as an affiliate. I just double checked, Choker joined again today.
Choker sent a large amount of traffic rather quickly, they didn't seem to click thru on the galleries or convert. But at the same time, you didn't send much. I am going to ask you to stop sending the traffic though, this "challenge" is silly and can't prove much.
I've read success stories with your traffic, and I know of success stories with Epic Cash. There's a gallery on The Hun today, it was using one of our templates, and it is yielding results.
Bottom line, Epic Cash sites are converting great with several affiliates. Choker traffic is converting great with several clients. That's all that matters.
I apologize again for jumping to conclusions. Choker surprised me.
Any questions?
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First off, on the first page I mentioned image source. I was wrong. I fucked up. I'll take the blame no problem, just as I said I would. Choker did not image source anything, as I'm sure you've already concluded.
I apologize, I freaked out by some of the posts Choker was making and then the sudden influx of traffic. Since his Epic Cash account was canceled 2 weeks ago, I had no reason to believe he was sending traffic as an affiliate. I just double checked, Choker joined again today.
Choker sent a large amount of traffic rather quickly, they didn't seem to click thru on the galleries or convert. But at the same time, you didn't send much. I am going to ask you to stop sending the traffic though, this "challenge" is silly and can't prove much.
I've read success stories with your traffic, and I know of success stories with Epic Cash. There's a gallery on The Hun today, it was using one of our templates, and it is yielding results.
Bottom line, Epic Cash sites are converting great with several affiliates. Choker traffic is converting great with several clients. That's all that matters.
I apologize again for jumping to conclusions. Choker surprised me.
First off, on the first page I mentioned image source. I was wrong. I fucked up. I'll take the blame no problem, just as I said I would. Choker did not image source anything, as I'm sure you've already concluded.
I apologize, I freaked out by some of the posts Choker was making and then the sudden influx of traffic. Since his Epic Cash account was canceled 2 weeks ago, I had no reason to believe he was sending traffic as an affiliate. I just double checked, Choker joined again today.
Choker sent a large amount of traffic rather quickly, they didn't seem to click thru on the galleries or convert. But at the same time, you didn't send much. I am going to ask you to stop sending the traffic though, this "challenge" is silly and can't prove much.
I've read success stories with your traffic, and I know of success stories with Epic Cash. There's a gallery on The Hun today, it was using one of our templates, and it is yielding results.
Bottom line, Epic Cash sites are converting great with several affiliates. Choker traffic is converting great with several clients. That's all that matters.
I apologize again for jumping to conclusions. Choker surprised me.
Any questions?
HMMMM, so you cancel accounts of people who you do not like? Interesting. So you want me to stop traffic? Ok, no problem. When the shit hits the fan we all know where you stand.
Originally posted by Choker Ummmm, I am sending to HIS galleries he MADE SPECIFICALLY for TGP traffic.
I still think this test is faulted. Unlike those surfers who see one of Epics TGP galleries on a tgp site and then decide to click thru...
now correct me if I'm wrong...
the surfers that are being sent to the galleries right now by your traffic did not plan on arriving at a Epic TGP gallery. So, the value of the traffic is already greatly minimized.
Or am I missing something in the way this system works?
I still think this test is faulted. Unlike those surfers who see one of Epics TGP galleries on a tgp site and then decide to click thru...
now correct me if I'm wrong...
the surfers that are being sent to the galleries right now by your traffic did not plan on arriving at a Epic TGP gallery. So, the value of the traffic is already greatly minimized.
Or am I missing something in the way this system works?
the galleries get put into a pool of galeries and when someone clicks on a certain niche a random gallery shows up from that particular niche.
I still think this test is faulted. Unlike those surfers who see one of Epics TGP galleries on a tgp site and then decide to click thru...
now correct me if I'm wrong...
the surfers that are being sent to the galleries right now by your traffic did not plan on arriving at a Epic TGP gallery. So, the value of the traffic is already greatly minimized.
Or am I missing something in the way this system works?
From what I've gathered from Choker's sites this traffic isn't jerked around at all. These are just regular links on a couple thousands TGP's. Chokers script rotates gallery urls. Every surfer to one of these galleries expected a gallery when they clicked. It's also targeted by niche.
"I try to make a habit of bouncing my eyes up to the face of a beautiful woman, and often repeat “not mine” in my head or even verbally. She’s not mine. God has her set aside. She’s not mine. She’s His little girl, and she needs me to fight for her by keeping my eyes where they should be."
If I everytime I sent 200k to a gallery and did not get a signup I would have quit 3 years gao. 200k is really nothing to a gallery. When you buy by the million hits then if you don't get signups you can bitch. I am being very fair and sending Pimpdog 2 million.
Ok I guess my standards are just too high, expecting signups after 200K hits to a gallery. I don't know what I was thinking
I still think this test is faulted. Unlike those surfers who see one of Epics TGP galleries on a tgp site and then decide to click thru...
now correct me if I'm wrong...
the surfers that are being sent to the galleries right now by your traffic did not plan on arriving at a Epic TGP gallery. So, the value of the traffic is already greatly minimized.
Or am I missing something in the way this system works?
You said it perfect. This Choker guy keeps saying it's tgp traffic, well it is, but it's regurgitated tgp, 2nd hand traffic.
the surfers that are being sent to the galleries right now by your traffic did not plan on arriving at a Epic TGP gallery. So, the value of the traffic is already greatly minimized.
Wrong, they clicked on a link that said "Fetish Gallery" and went to one of his fetish galleries, clicked on "Fucking Movie Gallery" and went to one of his fucking movie galleries. This traffic is as targeted and non-blind as TGP traffic can get. But obviously Pimpdog has so little faith in his program that he wants me to stop the traffic so I will. I put up and gave Pimpdog a challenge and he chickened out. But I am sure he will turn this around somehow to his advantage. He is real good with the keyboard.
"I try to make a habit of bouncing my eyes up to the face of a beautiful woman, and often repeat “not mine” in my head or even verbally. She’s not mine. God has her set aside. She’s not mine. She’s His little girl, and she needs me to fight for her by keeping my eyes where they should be."
Originally posted by Choker
Wrong, they clicked on a link that said "Fetish Gallery" and went to one of his fetish galleries, clicked on "Fucking Movie Gallery" and went to one of his fucking movie galleries. This traffic is as targeted and non-blind as TGP traffic can get. But obviously Pimpdog has so little faith in his program that he wants me to stop the traffic so I will. I put up and gave Pimpdog a challenge and he chickened out. But I am sure he will turn this around somehow to his advantage. He is real good with the keyboard.
i believe that fetish isn't targetted enough to get the results the that you should.
Originally posted by Choker
But I am sure he will turn this around somehow to his advantage. He is real good with the keyboard.
How is this a fucking challenge?? If you put two sites of same niche of two different sponsor programs to the test and compared stats at the end of the day - then it would make at least a little bit of sense. If the same traffic converted on one but not on the other, then you might say:
"I challenged your site, my traffic converted on site X but not on e_piccash's site Y. Therefore e_piccash's site sucks donkey balls and my traffic is golden cuz I converted 1:2 on site X at the same exact time, with the same amount of traffic."
Setting up your lame ass challenge the way you did it just makes me wanna shit my pants cuz you ain't got no comparison whatsoever.
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