Yep, no question about it, war sucks. Nobody in their right mind wants it. But sometimes people who shout the loudest for peace are complete idiots too. Sometimes circumstances in the world leave a country or a group of countries no choice but to take action, serious hard-hitting action, in order to preserve the very freedoms that give peace-ralliers the right to protest.
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I do not think that they want a "draft army" right now. They want people that are willing and ready. Besides most wars now are not based on how many men you have to fight.Comment
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no shit im turning 19 this year, and id be damned sure they go after us first then any other age group, 18 and 19, plus where i live, there is an army base about 30 min away, mcdill army base or some shit, i always hear jets flying over my house within the past 2-3 weeksicq: 2721653Comment
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im in the uk i dunno if they will have a so called draft
but i know for sure i aint goingComment
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Hey, I have an idea. While you are asking those vietmam veterans whether or not they are heros, why don't you try and convince them it wasn't a war...Originally posted by steffie
You will be looked upon like a hero?
Oh Ok, you mean like all those kids who died in Vietnam and came back as heros?
Or do you mean those guys who had to kill in order to survive only to come home with one leg/arm short and were called "babykiller"
The media is going to play war on this one, it will show the world how Americans will kill kids and women to survive. This will be a ground war.
You come back as a hero? Don't bet on it, there are already anit war demonstrations all over the world, and the "babykiller" signs have already climbed out of the long forgotten closet.
For those who are to young, for those who don't remember. Talk to some Vietnam Vets and ask them if they are considered heros.
And Vietnam was never a war it was a conflict.
I hope it doesn't come to it, but there are so many rights and religious people in the world and expecially in the US, Let the first picture of a dead child come over the american tv and sit back and watch the public spew hate slogans at the fighters of liberty, peace and freedom.
Watch and see!
Been there, done that, lost enough friends,, not going there again
I served with vets from nam (for a short time before forced retirement) to desert storm. No, none of them would consider themselves heros. While you do not think so either, to me they are heros just for ENDURING it. Same as any WOMAN to me is a hero for surviving an abusive relationship. Both very traumatic and some people never make it back to the real world in EITHER case.Comment
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If I could fight I would if the country asked, even if I personally did not think the war was right.
Now assuming there was a draft, is it not far to draft the women to? I mean they did demand equality right?Comment
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That won't fly with the mothers of america.Originally posted by freeadultcontent
If I could fight I would if the country asked, even if I personally did not think the war was right.
Now assuming there was a draft, is it not far to draft the women to? I mean they did demand equality right?Comment
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Would have to say, so what. Let em bitch and complain, they want equality everywhere, so equality taking a bullet is only fair.That won't fly with the mothers of america.Comment
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Im only 20 i guess I wont get drafted till i hit 21.
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I agree. But Bush wants a second term, I guarantee it.Originally posted by freeadultcontent
Would have to say, so what. Let em bitch and complain, they want equality everywhere, so equality taking a bullet is only fair.Comment
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Good luck with that.Originally posted by applejacks
Im only 20 i guess I wont get drafted till i hit 21.
But if they call me. I think I will go.Comment
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Makes two of us! my call back period expired in 2000. And since we have other people that can run the companyl, I would go re-enlist if I could.Originally posted by Amputate Your Head
I can neither volunteer nor be drafted anymore. Too old, plus I've already done my time.Comment
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is like they say.. there is a price for freedom. I love the US!Originally posted by RATBOY
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No, seriously. Good luck. I hope you don't get drafted if it comes to that. They haven't changed the age of the draft age from 18 to 21 that I know of. Anyone else hear different?Originally posted by applejacks
is like they say.. there is a price for freedom. I love the US!Comment
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I served for 12 years in the Army. I intended to be a 30 year man, but my career was cut short in the first gulf war. I was medically discharged in '92. Since I was injured in '91 I have lived with constant pain and will eventually end up paralyzed. I do not regret having served but I am somewhat bitter about being discharged. I could no longer be involved in any real physical activity but I could have served at a desk somewhere. That is not the military's way and never has been and will never be and I understand that, but I still have a bit of a bitter feeling. If I were fit and not beyond the age limit I would volunteer again. I regret that I could not have finished my career.When you're running down my country hoss...you're walking on the fighting side of me!
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By the way...I have zero use for anyone that will not serve when his country calls. If it were my choice I would summarily execute those people on the spot.When you're running down my country hoss...you're walking on the fighting side of me!
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If called I would go.kevinlComment
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I dont mean to be rude or nothing, but think about if saddam get to launch one of those chemical weapons here? And you cant say it cant happen.. Look at what happened in 9/11. Nobody expected that. Shit can happen..Originally posted by RATBOY
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Ahhhhh... a lover of freedom I see.Originally posted by theking
By the way...I have zero use for anyone that will not serve when his country calls. If it were my choice I would summarily execute those people on the spot.Comment
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Freedom is the best thing you can have.
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Originally posted by theking
By the way...I have zero use for anyone that will not serve when his country calls. If it were my choice I would summarily execute those people on the spot.
Typical republican, wants to execute everyone that does not think like he does.Comment
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I am not now nor have I ever been a member of the republican party.Originally posted by ThunderBalls
Typical republican, wants to execute everyone that does not think like he does.When you're running down my country hoss...you're walking on the fighting side of me!
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Not conservative enough for you?Originally posted by theking
I am not now nor have I ever been a member of the republican party.Comment
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Actually.... he is. Freedom is only maintained in this world for those that are also willing to stand up and defend that freedom.Originally posted by Joe Sixpack
Ahhhhh... a lover of freedom I see.
Freedom DOES NOT mean the right to run and hide when your country's freedom is threatened. If it did, you'd be fucking speaking Japanese right now.Promote Wildmatch, ImLive, Sexier.com, and more!!
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There is also the freedom to dissent.Originally posted by CDSmith
Actually.... he is. Freedom is only maintained in this world for those that are also willing to stand up and defend that freedom.
Freedom DOES NOT mean the right to run and hide when your country's freedom is threatened. If it did, you'd be fucking speaking Japanese right now.
Summary executions are a hallmark of totalitarianism.Comment
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The US does not summarily execute those that refuse to serve (as I would) but there is an automatic five year prison term. I suspect that most, if not all countries, will punish those that refuse to serve their country if they are called upon to do so.Originally posted by Joe Sixpack
There is also the freedom to dissent.
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In other words, if they don't willingly become cannon fodder for the rich and powerful.Originally posted by theking
The US does not summarily execute those that refuse to serve (as I would) but there is an automatic five year prison term. I suspect that most, if not all countries, will punish those that refuse to serve their country if they are called upon to do so.Comment
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The word "melodramatic" comes to mind when I read a few of the posts here.Comment
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Sorry man, I suppose that in cases like Viet Nam where there is no visible "imminent" threat to your country then one could justify your position. But in times like WWII, where there was definitely a visible imminent threat to US soil both from Europe and from Japan, your position is way out to lunch.Originally posted by Joe Sixpack
In other words, if they don't willingly become cannon fodder for the rich and powerful.
You're telling me that if you were of age in 1941 that you would have rather layed down like a fuckdog than got off your ass and help defend your country's soverienty and freedom? I sure fucking hope not, because if you are, you are a disgrace and an insult to everyone who did.
And if there ever was a draft for this middle-east conflict, there would be a damn good reason I'm sure. The existing US military will handle things as they usually do, but if certain happenings came to pass, and things escalated to the point where your country needed to institute a draft, well....... if you dodge it all you'd be saying is that your own slimy worthless hide is worth more to you than your family, you friends, your community and your way of life. Fuck that shit.Promote Wildmatch, ImLive, Sexier.com, and more!!
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For all the young people in this thread saying they'd go.....
Are you prepared to get hit with machine gun fire, and as you are laying there in a pool of your blood, knowing you are about to die, say to yourself "this was worth it, it's for my country" ????
I don't think so. You'd be thinking "FUCK MY COUNTRY, FUCK THIS POINTLESS WAR.... Please, I don't wanna die yet". That is the reality.
You think soldiers at war are fighting for their country? They aren't. They are fighting for THEMSELVES and each other to live to see their wife, kids, family, friends, job, etc...
This isn't the movies. You don't go over there and kill kill kill and probably not get hit yourself, and then come back as a hometown hero. In a major war, good chances are there that you come back deaf, missing a limb, in a wheelchair for life, or worse.
Yeah, you may be missing both legs, but it was for your country! Right?Comment
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You're talking hypotheticals.Originally posted by CDSmith
Sorry man, I suppose that in cases like Viet Nam where there is no visible "imminent" threat to your country then one could justify your position. But in times like WWII, where there was definitely a visible imminent threat to US soil both from Europe and from Japan, your position is way out to lunch.
You're telling me that if you were of age in 1941 that you would have rather layed down like a fuckdog than got off your ass and help defend your country's soverienty and freedom? I sure fucking hope not, because if you are, you are a disgrace and an insult to everyone who did.
And if there ever was a draft for this middle-east conflict, there would be a damn good reason I'm sure. The existing US military will handle things as they usually do, but if certain happenings came to pass, and things escalated to the point where your country needed to institute a draft, well....... if you dodge it all you'd be saying is that your own slimy worthless hide is worth more to you than your family, you friends, your community and your way of life. Fuck that shit.
Besides, war is always engineered by those who benefit economically or politically. I'm suprised by your level of conformity.Comment
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If you do not love your country why are you living there? If you do not benefit economically in your country why are you living there. Your country is not run by a dictator. You are free to leave it if you choose to.Originally posted by Joe Sixpack
You're talking hypotheticals.
Besides, war is always engineered by those who benefit economically or politically. I'm suprised by your level of conformity.When you're running down my country hoss...you're walking on the fighting side of me!
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So if one loves their country but hates the leaders and their policies they should leave? Is that your idea of freedom?Originally posted by theking
If you do not love your country why are you living there? If you do not benefit economically in your country why are you living there. Your country is not run by a dictator. You are free to leave it if you choose to.Comment
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Well, yes and no. Of course I'm talking hypothetically with regards to the present situation. WWII on the other hand was not hypothetical. The part that was, was the part about you living during that time, but it is a valid point. Back then there WAS a draft, and it defiinitely WAS to directly defend your country. (and mine)Originally posted by Joe Sixpack
You're talking hypotheticals.I am surprised by your lack of patriotism bro. I'm a Canadian, but sometimes I get the feeling I'm more of a patriotic American than many Americans I talk to. And I think you are missing my point.Besides, war is always engineered by those who benefit economically or politically. I'm suprised by your level of conformity.
Tell me,... do you feel that your country is worth defending? Also, do you think it is up to you to decide which war your country needs you for? If 20 million arabic soldiers were to land on East Coast USA, my question to you is, would you get off your fucking draft-dodging ASS and fucking defend your nation??
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So ... you enlisted, backed out of it, and you are proud of it?Originally posted by fuct
im not allowed back into the armed forces, i was signed up with the airforce and was goin for electronic warfare systems. thank pr0 for gettn my ass outa there
since i quit a month before i was suppost to goto basic they wont let me back into any type of armed services, guess i really chapped the recruters ass by fuckn up his xmas vacation
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He is Australian and does not like the USA.Originally posted by CDSmith
I am surprised by your lack of patriotism bro. I'm a Canadian, but sometimes I get the feeling I'm more of a patriotic American than many Americans I talk to. And I think you are missing my point.
Tell me,... do you feel that your country is worth defending? Also, do you think it is up to you to decide which war your country needs you for? If 20 million arabic soldiers were to land on East Coast USA, my question to you is, would you get off your fucking draft-dodging ASS and fucking defend your nation??
Please, just answer the question.When you're running down my country hoss...you're walking on the fighting side of me!
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Uh, CD ... we are more likely to be simultaneously invaded by Mexico, Canada, and Uranus before there are "20 million arabic soldiers ... land[ing] on East Coast USA."Comment
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If you love your country and are going to reap the benefits of living there do you not owe your country and countrymen something in return ie when the country calls for your service? In the USA if one hates their leaders and their policies then don't vote for them, but in the meantime one does not get to pick and choose what laws he/she is going to obey and what laws they aren't, just because you do not like your leaders or their policies.Originally posted by ThunderBalls
So if one loves their country but hates the leaders and their policies they should leave? Is that your idea of freedom?When you're running down my country hoss...you're walking on the fighting side of me!
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He can just sub in "Australia" for "USA" then, and my question still stands. I really wonder what he'd do if, say, 100,000 Al Quaida terrorists invaded the Oz "gold coast". Would he go surfing, or hide in his basement?Originally posted by theking
He is Australian and does not like the USA.
Australia was probably LEAST likely to be affected directly during WWI, yet their country sent a TON of armed forces to fight the Germans. I've done a fair amount of reading and research on that war, and I don't recall there ever being anything mentioned about Aussies dodging the draft. Men from ALL the countries of Great Britain went to war to pretty much clean up the planet, period. That was one of the dirtiest bloody wars ever fought.Promote Wildmatch, ImLive, Sexier.com, and more!!
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fuck no! I already know how to shoot a rifle. If I get drafted, I'd be there. So, it's really just a matter of time...can all these mother fuckers take us on?...no!Comment
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That's really not the point. That ficticious scenario goes directly to the question...... "if enemies were directly threatening your country, your city, your neighborhood, WOULD you fight to defend it?"Originally posted by PornoDoggy
Uh, CD ... we are more likely to be simultaneously invaded by Mexico, Canada, and Uranus before there are "20 million arabic soldiers ... land[ing] on East Coast USA."
Just because you live in Comfortable US of A doesn't mean you couldn't have just as easily been born in a country where war IS a reality.
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Although the likelihood of a draft is rather dismal in light of the adequate recruitment numbers generated by the military, I would still answer the draft.
I personally think its hypocritical to enjoy the benefits of a society and refuse one's duty to defend it. My attitude towards this, admittedly unpleasant, duty is similar to my attitude towards taxes--I hate paying taxes, but I still do, because its my duty. Instead of not paying taxes because I think they are too high, I still pay them but make damn sure to vote Republican to help reduce taxes. That's the difference... disagreeing with a war is one thing, but shirking your duty to the society that has benefited you for so long is another.
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Never though of this b4, but I'd have to agree 100fucking%, go and fight on someone else's soil, they'd have to drag my fat lazy ass all the way there, assumeing I didn't fail a physical, whihc I'm sure I would, or end up dead/in military jail, for beating to death someone trying to force me to do something I don;t want.Originally posted by CDSmith
To answer the original question, if it came down to Canada having a draft like we did for WWII (when our army grew from what, 44,000 up to over a half million with over a million Canadians serving**), well...I am too old to be included in such a draft.
HOWEVER, if it came down to needing a "home guard" to defend our soil, you gobbledy-god-damn BET I would fight like a wildcat. Issue me a weapon, I'm there.
Anyone who says they wouldn't fight to defend their own soil, their family, and their freedoms, deserves none of it. Only a fucking coward would hide when their country and their way of life needs defending.
I hope that answers the question.
** As posted in another thread, I believe Rose & I had the conversation.
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I am a mother, No I don't want my children in the war. No I don't want my children to die no mother or father want that. The idea is that I die before my children. No I don't want them to come home in a body bagOriginally posted by Bobo
Steffie, a draft is unlikely, but if it would happen, would it be okay with you to send your kids off?
Picture them getting caught by Extremists and slaughtered like human cattle?
My sisters husband is from the old yugoslavia, his brother went back to get belongings and other stuff. He was shut in the head and thats less than 1 year ago.
If their is a draft we have no choice than to let our children go. Israel and Palastina has 13 and 14 year olds walking around with guns, growing up with them, its a sad world
Persia teaches weaponry in school
Would my boys go and not run. Probably,
Would I agree - NO
Would I sit back and take care of their business - SurePartying since '96 and not going anywhere Anna's DormComment
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The new Draft - discussions are already in the making
http://www.dailytexanonline.com/vnew.../3e3e237449ad1
search the net about it and you find out that quite a few politicians are for the draft. Is it going to come?
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LOL DoggyOriginally posted by PornoDoggy
Uh, CD ... we are more likely to be simultaneously invaded by Mexico, Canada, and Uranus before there are "20 million arabic soldiers ... land[ing] on East Coast USA."
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I would give my life for the ones I love.
I would give my life for my ideals.
I would give my life to protect my freedom.
I would NOT give my life for international politics and western megalomania. If I was drafted, I would fight for my freedom, or die trying.Comment
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