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01-31-2003, 01:08 AM

Ok, I have followed every peace of advice i could find as far as getting some SE hits. Is there anything i can do differently?

I never aimed at getting SE hits so this is all new to me, what else can i do to help my site?

Does it hurt me to have the site on a sub and not root domain?

Do i need keywords in my domain name?

site = http://www.pleasuredvds.com/ttt/

Ive added content, added text, added keywords, added meta, tons of links and will soon be adding a link trade to increase my link-backs.

What am i missing?

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01-31-2003, 01:20 AM

You couldn't probably choose worse keywords than you did. There are 2 million "free sex pics" sites in Google, so now you are 20000001st.
Go and choose some niche first. Or do you want to compete with 5-8 yrs. old sites like Pkitty with thousands of links to them

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01-31-2003, 01:33 AM

True

But if i choose a niche, lets say hairy fat women or something ... Do i have to have all related content?

And should i only swap links with related sites?

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01-31-2003, 01:36 AM

And if i choose a tight niche, my hits will be slower right?

I mean how many people are actually searching for:

"Tiny Transvestite Midgets Peeing On Fat Ugly Teens"

lol

P.S can you list 5 or 6 "niches" so i have an idea what i should be thinking about?

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01-31-2003, 01:51 AM

Originally posted by lil2rich4u2
And if i choose a tight niche, my hits will be slower right?

I mean how many people are actually searching for:

"Tiny Transvestite Midgets Peeing On Fat Ugly Teens"

lol

P.S can you list 5 or 6 "niches" so i have an idea what i should be thinking about?

*registering Tiny-Transvestite-Midgets-Peeing-On-Fat-Ugly-Teens.com*

ps thats a hint ...

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01-31-2003, 02:14 AM

Originally posted by lil2rich4u2
And if i choose a tight niche, my hits will be slower right?

I mean how many people are actually searching for:

"Tiny Transvestite Midgets Peeing On Fat Ugly Teens"

Your hits will be slower, your conversions better.

From 10 people searching for "Tiny Transvestite Midgets Peeing On Fat Ugly Teens" probably 9 will sgin up if you have such paysite, however 1 from 1000 people looking for "free sex pics" will buy something, you can't target them properly, they want it FREE.

What is this traffic fetish all about? If you want to jerk off looking at your sextracker ranking go for free sex pics, if you want to make money choose anything else.

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01-31-2003, 02:29 AM

Don't register keyword rich domains, it has very little if anything at all to do with your rankings... FACT!
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01-31-2003, 02:49 AM

Originally posted by boldy

*registering Tiny-Transvestite-Midgets-Peeing-On-Fat-Ugly-Teens.com*

ps thats a hint ...

Register Tiny-Transvestite-Midgets-Peeing-On-Fat-Ugly-Teens.org instead.

ps, Thats another.
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01-31-2003, 02:49 AM

Pick the Niche that turns you on.
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01-31-2003, 03:09 AM

Is there any particular reason your folder is called ttt instead of keyword-keyword-keyword?

Imho I would focus on one or 2 key phrases a bit more, you're trying to hit too many phrases at once, pick your phrases and place them throughout your page in Title, H tags, path/filenames, alt tag etc.

Also if you're looking to rank well on Google with 'free porn' you'll need to boost your PR to at least a 5 and use the root url.

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01-31-2003, 03:13 AM

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Don't register keyword rich domains, it has very little if anything at all to do with your rankings... FACT!

Really????????

Well shit - I wish you told me that before I got a couple of good listings on Google for words that appear in the domain name.

Damn if I'd known that I would have gone and registered fartingoldtruckdrivers.com and ignorantsmartasswebmasters.com and saved myself a lot of hassle.

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01-31-2003, 03:48 AM

Your page rank (Google) is very important, you have 2 on your site, if you can climb to 5 you will improve your rankings for sure.
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01-31-2003, 07:01 AM

Originally posted by lil2rich4u2
And if i choose a tight niche, my hits will be slower right?

I mean how many people are actually searching for:

"Tiny Transvestite Midgets Peeing On Fat Ugly Teens"

lol

When you figure out how that is a plus instead of a draw back you will be on the road to a brighter future.
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01-31-2003, 07:02 AM

don't forget about good old fashioned link trades. Nothing is more important than getting out there and saying 'hey I like your site, want to trade links?'
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01-31-2003, 07:09 AM

is it better to register

Tiny-Transvestite-Midgets-Peeing-On-Fat-Ugly-Teens.com OR

tinytransvestitemidgetspeeingonfatuglyteens.com ?

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01-31-2003, 07:10 AM

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01-31-2003, 07:14 AM

Originally posted by lil2rich4u2
And if i choose a tight niche, my hits will be slower right?

I mean how many people are actually searching for:

"Tiny Transvestite Midgets Peeing On Fat Ugly Teens"

lol

P.S can you list 5 or 6 "niches" so i have an idea what i should be thinking about?

you just listed 5 maybe 6 different niches in that line above. duh
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01-31-2003, 09:00 AM

Originally posted by turbo
Pick the Niche that turns you on.

petite blondes? Wouldnt that be oversaturated? Although im sure its better than "free pics" lol

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01-31-2003, 09:29 AM

Ok,

notjoe has given me some tips, and im gonna go with "petite blondes"

Im gonna optimize my page and post here for more advice.

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01-31-2003, 09:36 AM

Originally posted by lil2rich4u2
Does it hurt me to have the site on a sub and not root domain?
Do i need keywords in my domain name?
What am i missing?

1) It might hurt you for Google since subdomains are ranked slightly differently than the actual domain. This could be used to your advantage however.
2) For older engines like Altavista it might help but this isn't an important factor anymore. You should focus on relevance rather than attempting to get an artificial boost by buying tons of domains with your keywords stuffed into them.
3) Read some more, particularly on Google. Google is obviously the search engine gold mine and you need to really understand their algorithm to dominate it on there. Get familiar with the concept of PR and how it works and how it can be used to get higher rankings.

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01-31-2003, 09:42 AM

WiredGuy, why does a PR4 site rank higher than a PR5 site for the same keyword ?
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01-31-2003, 09:48 AM

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WiredGuy, why does a PR4 site rank higher than a PR5 site for the same keyword ?

PR is a multiplier, it isn't the sole factor in determining a ranking. So when determining where a site will land in the results, PR will be a multiplicative boost whereas relevance is still the top factor.

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01-31-2003, 09:53 AM

Originally posted by WiredGuy
multiplicative boost

hope i dont need to know the meaning of this to get some SE hits, lol

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01-31-2003, 10:30 AM

Originally posted by lil2rich4u2

hope i dont need to know the meaning of this to get some SE hits, lol

No you won't - just work at it as Wired Guy says and it will happen. Later on you can start stressing about PR and work at that but key word relevancy is still more important.

It varies from month to month but quite often my partner's link list sits right at the top of page 1 for a good term and her PR is currently 4. Tommy's might sit at 2 or 3 during those months and his PR is 6.

Up until recently she has never bothered greatly about PR - she has just focused on key words.

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01-31-2003, 04:40 PM

Sheesh this is confusing!

I mean sites like this:
http://www.z-teen-porn.com/

Have no meta at all, hardly any content, and he repeats the same keywords on page!

Yet he is #1 for "Teen Porn" on google! WTF!!!

lol

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01-31-2003, 04:45 PM

Originally posted by lil2rich4u2
Sheesh this is confusing!

I mean sites like this:
http://www.z-teen-porn.com/

Have no meta at all, hardly any content, and he repeats the same keywords on page!

Yet he is #1 for "Teen Porn" on google! WTF!!!

lol

If you think metas are in any way important for Google you really haven't read up on SE placement at all. There's loads of articles about why not read some then you'd have half a clue?

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01-31-2003, 04:47 PM

Originally posted by lil2rich4u2
Sheesh this is confusing!

I mean sites like this:
http://www.z-teen-porn.com/

Have no meta at all, hardly any content, and he repeats the same keywords on page!

Yet he is #1 for "Teen Porn" on google! WTF!!!

lol

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01-31-2003, 04:50 PM

Just add the following secret codes to the HEAD section of your pages.
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(META name="description" content="adult site")
(Meta name="keywords" content="sex,sex,sex,sex,sex,sex,sex,sex,sex,sex,s ex,sex,sex,sex,sex,sex,sex,sex,sex,sex,sex,sex,sex ,sex,sex,sex,sex,sex,sex,sex,sex,sex,sex,sex,sex,s ex,sex,sex,sex,sex,sex,sex,sex,sex,sex,sex,sex,sex ,sex,sex,sex,sex,sex,sex,sex,sex,sex,sex,sex,sex,s ex,sex,sex,sex,sex,sex,sex,sex,sex,sex,sex,sex,sex ,sex,sex,sex,sex,sex,sex,sex,sex,sex,sex,sex,sex,s ex,sex,sex,sex,sex,sex,sex,sex,sex,sex,sex,sex,sex ,sex,sex,sex,sex,sex,sex,sex,sex,sex,sex,sex,sex,s ex,sex,sex,sex,sex,sex,sex,sex,sex,sex,sex,sex,sex ,sex,sex,sex,sex,sex,")
(Meta name="copyright" content="sex.com")
(Meta name="author" content="sex.com")
(Meta name="robots" content="Index, follow")
(Meta NAME="REVISIT" CONTENT="5 minutes")
(Meta NAME="ROBOTS" CONTENT="all")
(Meta name="distribution" content="Global")
(Meta name="rating" content="General")
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01-31-2003, 04:52 PM

lil2rich - until about 2 months back my partner's link list did not have one single meta tag - so think laterally - what does that tell you about Google and how it views a page?

It will also tell you about some people who post in other places with all sorts of amazing facts about how they optimise their metas for Google.

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01-31-2003, 04:54 PM

Originally posted by lil2rich4u2
Sheesh this is confusing!

I mean sites like this:
http://www.z-teen-porn.com/

Have no meta at all, hardly any content, and he repeats the same keywords on page!

Yet he is #1 for "Teen Porn" on google! WTF!!!

The reason why: He has 100 inbound links from good PR sites. He has a PR of 6. He is using deceptive practices to get a good PR. And you know what, he probably will be banned from google in a couple days. So instead of trying to get these amazing listings for 1-2 weeks, try creating relevant sites and you'll be listed for years. I've been in this business for 4 years and the listings I had from day one are still up there providing sales since I started rather than jumping from domain to domain getting banned.

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01-31-2003, 05:11 PM

Originally posted by WiredGuy

The reason why: He has 100 inbound links from good PR sites. He has a PR of 6. He is using deceptive practices to get a good PR. And you know what, he probably will be banned from google in a couple days. So instead of trying to get these amazing listings for 1-2 weeks, try creating relevant sites and you'll be listed for years. I've been in this business for 4 years and the listings I had from day one are still up there providing sales since I started rather than jumping from domain to domain getting banned.

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I guess that shows your way more experienced than me, i didnt notice anything illigal, lol

Yes i am learning alot now and plan to practice alot also, at the moment i am working on a site i will post here for review when its done.

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01-31-2003, 05:15 PM

Originally posted by lil2rich4u2

I guess that shows your way more experienced than me, i didnt notice anything illigal, lol

Yes i am learning alot now and plan to practice alot also, at the moment i am working on a site i will post here for review when its done.

It's not illegal what that webmaster is doing, just deceptive and unethical. He won't be on Google for that long. Keep at it, read a lot of the sites out there and truly understand how to get high rankings. And try not to get tempted for a quick boost into the top placements in google. Most of them won't last too long. You'd probably rather keep your listings in the top rankings for months/years versus getting a number one placement for 2 weeks. It's a frustrating business getting good rankings but if you keep at it, you will succeed.

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01-31-2003, 06:12 PM

Related subject doesnt count for shit. Page rank is the only thing that matters concerning in links.

Dont botther with thousands in links just make sure they are high ranking.

Forget meta tags as well. Text content is the thing to care about. alt-texts, image names or simple text mass(relevant to your preferred searches that is).

A relevanty domain name doesnot hurt, but is not necessary either.

Do searches on google and analysize the results...over and over

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01-31-2003, 06:14 PM

Originally posted by WiredGuy

It's not illegal what that webmaster is doing, just deceptive and unethical. He won't be on Google for that long. Keep at it, read a lot of the sites out there and truly understand how to get high rankings. And try not to get tempted for a quick boost into the top placements in google. Most of them won't last too long. You'd probably rather keep your listings in the top rankings for months/years versus getting a number one placement for 2 weeks. It's a frustrating business getting good rankings but if you keep at it, you will succeed.

Best of luck.
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01-31-2003, 08:18 PM

"pr0'ing" = ??

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01-31-2003, 08:40 PM

Ok

I redesigned my whole site.

Went from one page to 14.

SE Guru's give it to me raw!! What can i do differently or better?

****P.S i will be adding a link table on bottom of each page and i will maintain targetted link trades for each page. Im thinking i will have maybe 20 link trades on each page.

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01-31-2003, 08:43 PM

lol a url would help.

http://www.pleasuredvds.com/ttt/index.shtml

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01-31-2003, 08:57 PM

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Ok

I redesigned my whole site.

Went from one page to 14.

SE Guru's give it to me raw!! What can i do differently or better?

****P.S i will be adding a link table on bottom of each page and i will maintain targetted link trades for each page. Im thinking i will have maybe 20 link trades on each page.

That spider trap won't do you too good when you are banned.

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01-31-2003, 09:00 PM

banned?

shit did i do something wrong?

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01-31-2003, 09:16 PM

what makes my site a spider trap? and why would i be banned?

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01-31-2003, 09:20 PM

http://www.google.ca/webmasters/

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01-31-2003, 09:22 PM

Dude here is a little help:

http://www.google.com/webmasters/guidelines.html

That group of words at the bottom is the issue.

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01-31-2003, 09:24 PM

Originally posted by lil2rich4u2
"pr0'ing" = ??

That happens when Google gives a page a page rank of 0 - it's basically the kiss of death.

Google will ban your url if it feels that you have made a blatant attempt to gain a high page rank.

Have you read what Google says about itself?

It tells you what you have to do to get a good listing without really trying. You don't have to artificially inflate your keywords or link to every high ranking page on the planet. In fact it isn't the pages that you link to that count for anything - its the pages that link to you - and their PR that will help your page.

However, PR is not the be-all and end-all of a good listing. I have a page 1 listing on google (well it was still page one while the ast shuffle was going on) for a good search term. The page is nothing more than an FPA that I feed some old TGP2 pages into, PR waivers between 2 and 3 and the term that the page gets listed for is only mentioned in the page's title.

All those words you have down the bottom of your page are a waste of time and the only thing worse you could have done was have those words in the same color as the background.

Go and read all about Google - on Google - and you should begin to understand where you are going wrong.

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02-01-2003, 06:53 AM

words all gone.

Is there anything else i can do aside from adding link trades?

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Originally posted by cheekycherry
Don't register keyword rich domains, it has very little if anything at all to do with your rankings... FACT!
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Really????????

Well shit - I wish you told me that before I got a couple of good listings on Google for words that appear in the domain name.

Damn if I'd known that I would have gone and registered fartingoldtruckdrivers.com and ignorantsmartasswebmasters.com and saved myself a lot of hassle.

Had it ever occured to you that there were other factors involved, and in fact your site would be listed well regardless of whether it was called

you-are-a-cock-boy.com

or

nicebrandabledomainname.com?

I would like to tell you why there may still be a *little* advantage to using keyword filled domain names (nothing to do with google) but I'd rather you carried on stumbling in the dark... Hey, I have another little tip for you - METATAGS

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02-01-2003, 12:48 PM

Originally posted by lil2rich4u2
words all gone.

Is there anything else i can do aside from adding link trades?

anyone?

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02-01-2003, 12:54 PM

Originally posted by cheekycherry

I would like to tell you why there may still be a *little* advantage to using keyword filled domain names (nothing to do with google) but I'd rather you carried on stumbling in the dark... Hey, I have another little tip for you - METATAGS

Good grief you haven't a clue have you? Too funny.

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02-01-2003, 01:09 PM

I still say there's no such thing as a se guru...

I've had sites with less that 10 words and no meta's end up in the top 10 with Google.. and these were dumb little galleries..

I've thrown other sites together in a matter of about 30 minutes and they've ended up in the top 10 as well..

A search on Google for 'teen porn' has http://www.z-teen-porn.com/ in the top spot..
Have a look at it.. no meta tags.. no alt tags.. no real text in the body to speak of..

I still say it's the luck of the draw..
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49thParallel

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02-01-2003, 01:13 PM

The truth is, for those of us that do know the search engine secrets, we're not sharing. My search engine wizardry accounts for a very large part of my adult related income. I certainly am not going to help anyone try to get a listing ahead of any of mine...

How did I learn?..here's my only advice I will share...I paid for rush inclusion into a number of search engines....then over a period of months (yes,months) I continually tweaked my pages until I could develop a pattern.

Sorry for the negative, but my advice is...if anyone is willing to give you information...chances are good that they don't know squat...
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