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  • Undutchable
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    • Jun 2002
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    Mandela calls Bush short sighted, dumb and arrogant

    JOHANNESBURG, South Africa (CNN) -- Former South African president Nelson Mandela has slammed the U.S. stance on Iraq, saying that "one power with a president who has no foresight, who cannot think properly, is now wanting to plunge the world into a holocaust."

    Speaking at the International Women's Forum, Mandela said "if there is a country that has committed unspeakable atrocities in the world, it is the United States of America."

    Mandela said U.S. President George W. Bush covets the oil in Iraq "because Iraq produces 64 percent of the oil in the world. What Bush wants is to get hold of that oil." In fact Iraq contributes to only 5 percent of world oil exports.

    The Bush administration is threatening military action if Iraq does not account for weapons of mass destruction and fully cooperate with U.N. weapons inspectors.

    Receiving applause for his comments, Mandela said Bush and British Prime Minister Tony Blair are "undermining" past work of the United Nations.

    "They do not care. Is it because the secretary-general of the United Nations is now a black man?" said Mandela, referring to Kofi Annan, who is from Ghana.

    Blair is expected to discuss the issue of Iraq when he meets with South African President Thabo Mbeki in London Saturday, a day after the British leader's meeting with Bush.

    Mandela said he would support without reservation any action agreed upon by the United Nations against Iraq, which Bush and Blair say has weapons of mass destruction and is a sponsor of terror groups, including Osama bin Laden's al Qaeda network. (Full story)

    Nobel Peace Laureate Mandela, 84, has spoken out many times against Bush's stance, and South Africa's close ties with Libya and Cuba irked Washington during Mandela's own presidency.
  • candyflip
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    #2
    It's soooo obvious that we're only using these excuses to get the oil. We're running low, the Bush family has ties to Big Oil as does our Vice President. It's sick that they're using our military and tax money for their own benefit. Take the $600 billion that war will cost us and put it into alternative fuel sources...makes more sense for the future, but doesn't make sense for the Bush Family Fortune.

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    • JFK
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      #3
      Originally posted by candyflip
      It's soooo obvious that we're only using these excuses to get the oil. We're running low, the Bush family has ties to Big Oil as does our Vice President. It's sick that they're using our military and tax money for their own benefit. Take the $600 billion that war will cost us and put it into alternative fuel sources...makes more sense for the future, but doesn't make sense for the Bush Family Fortune.

      Someone else please read this book.
      Excellent deduction.........its about OIL and nothing else !

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      • SquarePants
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        #4
        "They do not care. Is it because the secretary-general of the United Nations is now a black man?" said Mandela, referring to Kofi Annan, who is from Ghana.
        Low use of the race card. Get real. It's about oil and baby Bush showing daddy what he can do. Race pointing is just typical OJ stuff.
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        • stocktrader23
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          #5
          Wholy shit! An entire thread with people that aren't oblivious to the obvious! This has got to be a first?


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          • FlyingIguana
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            • Mar 2002
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            #6
            Originally posted by candyflip
            It's soooo obvious that we're only using these excuses to get the oil. We're running low, the Bush family has ties to Big Oil as does our Vice President. It's sick that they're using our military and tax money for their own benefit. Take the $600 billion that war will cost us and put it into alternative fuel sources...makes more sense for the future, but doesn't make sense for the Bush Family Fortune.

            Someone else please read this book.
            its not about oil. its about saddaam. i suppose it was about oil 10 years ago as well.

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            • rooster
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              • Jan 2003
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              #7
              http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article...559907,00.html

              Heres an article showing support from various european leaders.
              Ever notice that pretty much everything added to the Constitution after the original was a mistake.

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              • theone
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                #8
                You control the oil, you control the world.
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                • uno
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by FlyingIguana


                  its not about oil. its about saddaam. i suppose it was about oil 10 years ago as well.
                  Of course it was! Do you really think we give a fuck about the kuwaiti people? LOL
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                  • jammyjenkins
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by stocktrader23
                    Wholy shit! An entire thread with people that aren't oblivious to the obvious! This has got to be a first?
                    you have to give the morons time to wake up and join this thread

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                    • stocktrader23
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                      #11
                      Well that didn't last long.


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                      • jammyjenkins
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                        #12
                        Originally posted by FlyingIguana


                        its not about oil. its about saddaam. i suppose it was about oil 10 years ago as well.
                        you're right. it was about oil 10 years ago. congrats.

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                        • jammyjenkins
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                          #13
                          Originally posted by theone
                          You control the oil, you control the world.
                          he who controls the spice...

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                          • rooster
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                            #14
                            Sure, oil is part of it. Do you want a madman controlling a huge part of the worlds oil? After kuwait, guess who his next victim would be, Saudi Arabia. Feel like paying 6 bucks a gallon? I sure as fuck don't.
                            Ever notice that pretty much everything added to the Constitution after the original was a mistake.

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                            • BigFish
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                              #15
                              Who's short sighted? Mandela should talk. More than 10% of South Africa's population (nearly 30 million people) is infected with the HIV with that rate expected to peak at 17% in 3 years. Who's short sighted? About 13 million people in six southern African countries face starvation or health-threatening food shortages over the next six months. Just two days ago Bush stated in his State of the Union address that he was going to submit a 15 billion dollar plan to help AIDs in Africa. Mandela needs to check his bitch ass self before he opens his mouth.

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                              • jammyjenkins
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                                #16
                                Originally posted by rooster
                                Sure, oil is part of it. Do you want a madman controlling a huge part of the worlds oil? After kuwait, guess who his next victim would be, Saudi Arabia. Feel like paying 6 bucks a gallon? I sure as fuck don't.
                                so people should die, because you need extra beer money?

                                okay then
                                Last edited by jammyjenkins; 01-30-2003, 09:10 AM.

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                                • jammyjenkins
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                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by BigFish
                                  Mandela needs to check his bitch ass self before he opens his mouth.
                                  you're so right

                                  and you should be the one to make him

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                                  • FlyingIguana
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                                    • Mar 2002
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                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by uno
                                    Of course it was! Do you really think we give a fuck about the kuwaiti people? LOL
                                    they asked for help and the states went. you don't let one country attack others around them.

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                                    • FlyingIguana
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                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by jammyjenkins


                                      you're so right

                                      and you should be the one to make him

                                      what kind of stupid comment is this? you can make anyone shut up if you really wanted to.

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                                      • Rose
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                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by jammyjenkins


                                        so people should die, because you need extra beer money?

                                        okay than
                                        People dont really care who is dying where and why and when.
                                        I am not loosing any sleep over civil war in Ivory Coast
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                                        • rooster
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                                          #21
                                          I think affiliate programs need to start to just allow only these euro countries.


                                          Spain
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                                          Italy
                                          United Kingdom
                                          Czech Republic
                                          Hungary
                                          Poland
                                          Denmark
                                          Ever notice that pretty much everything added to the Constitution after the original was a mistake.

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                                          • Honeyslut
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                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by BigFish
                                            Who's short sighted? Mandela should talk. More than 10% of South Africa's population (nearly 30 million people) is infected with the HIV with that rate expected to peak at 17% in 3 years. Who's short sighted? About 13 million people in six southern African countries face starvation or health-threatening food shortages over the next six months. Just two days ago Bush stated in his State of the Union address that he was going to submit a 15 billion dollar plan to help AIDs in Africa. Mandela needs to check his bitch ass self before he opens his mouth.
                                            I guess Mandela did not hear Bush's speech about giving aid to Africa for aid treatment and prevention...


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                                            • jammyjenkins
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                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by FlyingIguana


                                              they asked for help and the states went. you don't let one country attack others around them.
                                              give me a ring when you get a clue, deal?

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                                              • jammyjenkins
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                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by rooster
                                                I think affiliate programs need to start to just allow only these euro countries.


                                                Spain
                                                Portugal
                                                Italy
                                                United Kingdom
                                                Czech Republic
                                                Hungary
                                                Poland
                                                Denmark
                                                you're so right

                                                mixing business and politics

                                                that's going to make you rich

                                                what a dumbass

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                                                • FlyingIguana
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                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by jammyjenkins


                                                  give me a ring when you get a clue, deal?
                                                  was yugoslavia about oil? was vietnam? was korea?

                                                  oil was the reason why iraq invaded kuwait, but the states would have helped regardless. if you just sit back, an aggressive country will keep attacking until it does what it set out to do.

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                                                  • BigFish
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                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by jammyjenkins


                                                    you're so right

                                                    mixing business and politics

                                                    that's going to make you rich

                                                    what a dumbass

                                                    What planet are you from LOL!! Today every business is mixed with politics in one way or another. Or did you just get it mixed up with "business and pleasure"?

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                                                    • jammyjenkins
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                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by FlyingIguana


                                                      was yugoslavia about oil? was vietnam? was korea?

                                                      oil was the reason why iraq invaded kuwait, but the states would have helped regardless. if you just sit back, an aggressive country will keep attacking until it does what it set out to do.
                                                      let me fill you in, since obviously you don't have a clue...

                                                      vietnam & korea were about fighting communism

                                                      In other words, america was protecting it's own (capitalist) interests

                                                      African countries attack each other all the time. why isn't the US there, eh?

                                                      yugoslavia. a good cause, but also to help keep europe stable (so the genicide didn't spread) -- which helps US to continue trading

                                                      whatever the people may tell you on the planet you seem to live on, america goes nothing selfLESSly

                                                      just like no country does anything selfLESSly

                                                      get that through your head, or leave this thread

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                                                      • jammyjenkins
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                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by BigFish


                                                        What planet are you from LOL!! Today every business is mixed with politics in one way or another. Or did you just get it mixed up with "business and pleasure"?
                                                        no m8

                                                        unless rooster justifies his comment, I'm going to assume he's allowing his personal predujices to affect (potential) business decisions (by limiting affiliate countries)

                                                        this would lose him money if he ever started a program

                                                        he'd have to get off welfare first of all though

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                                                        • rooster
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                                                          #29
                                                          "so people should die, because you need extra beer money? "


                                                          "vietnam & korea were about fighting communism "



                                                          Hell of a lot more people died in korea and vietnam than any gulf war. And we didn't get anything out of it anyway. North Korea are still commies, as was vietnam.
                                                          Ever notice that pretty much everything added to the Constitution after the original was a mistake.

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                                                          • FlyingIguana
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                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by jammyjenkins


                                                            let me fill you in, since obviously you don't have a clue...

                                                            vietnam & korea were about fighting communism

                                                            In other words, america was protecting it's own (capitalist) interests

                                                            African countries attack each other all the time. why isn't the US there, eh?

                                                            yugoslavia. a good cause, but also to help keep europe stable (so the genicide didn't spread) -- which helps US to continue trading

                                                            whatever the people may tell you on the planet you seem to live on, america goes nothing selfLESSly

                                                            just like no country does anything selfLESSly

                                                            get that through your head, or leave this thread
                                                            if you believe they stepped into the conflict in yugoslavia to keep europe stable, why wouldn't they go into the iraq situation to keep the middle east stable? do you want iraq to build up weapons over the next decade and then start attacking other countries again? then who has to clean up the mess?

                                                            can you not get that through your head? there's always a reason why the states steps into these conflicts, but to say iraq is all about oil and nothing else is just plain stupid.

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                                                            • Interlude
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                                                              #31
                                                              Man, some of you need to stick to slinging porn. The lack of political insight in this thread is bordering on the retarded.

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                                                              • jammyjenkins
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                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by rooster
                                                                "so people should die, because you need extra beer money? "


                                                                "vietnam & korea were about fighting communism "



                                                                Hell of a lot more people died in korea and vietnam than any gulf war. And we didn't get anything out of it anyway. North Korea are still commies, as was vietnam.
                                                                because the US lost (or drew, depending how you look at it)

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                                                                • playa
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                                                                  #33
                                                                  I am tired of hearing its just bout the oil

                                                                  can we please have another excuse

                                                                  all i know is once this shit is over with
                                                                  the economy will be back up,

                                                                  this waiting game is just fucking everything up
                                                                  they need to just get it over with already

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                                                                  • jammyjenkins
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                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by FlyingIguana


                                                                    if you believe they stepped into the conflict in yugoslavia to keep europe stable, why wouldn't they go into the iraq situation to keep the middle east stable? do you want iraq to build up weapons over the next decade and then start attacking other countries again? then who has to clean up the mess?

                                                                    can you not get that through your head? there's always a reason why the states steps into these conflicts, but to say iraq is all about oil and nothing else is just plain stupid.
                                                                    yugoslavia was becoming more unstable, it could have spread, and something had to be done before it got out of hand

                                                                    however, how is iraq any different now to how it was 5 years ago?

                                                                    no wild speculation of WMD please.

                                                                    if there was no oil in the ME, there would be very little interest in the ME

                                                                    the US has a HUGE interest in Europe because it is a massive trading block

                                                                    without oil, the ME is NOT a big trading block at all, and would be largely disregarded

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                                                                    • BigFish
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                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by jammyjenkins


                                                                      let me fill you in, since obviously you don't have a clue...

                                                                      vietnam & korea were about fighting communism

                                                                      In other words, america was protecting it's own (capitalist) interests

                                                                      African countries attack each other all the time. why isn't the US there, eh?

                                                                      yugoslavia. a good cause, but also to help keep europe stable (so the genicide didn't spread) -- which helps US to continue trading

                                                                      whatever the people may tell you on the planet you seem to live on, america goes nothing selfLESSly

                                                                      just like no country does anything selfLESSly

                                                                      get that through your head, or leave this thread
                                                                      What is your ideology? What political system does your heart and soul yearn for? Communism? or a Democratic capitalist society? Would you rather have had North Korea take over South Korea and double the starvation rate currently taking place in North Korea now? South Korea today has one of the most thriving economies in the world. Do you see people dying left and right in the United States, Canada or Mexico? What is the U.S.'s goal when it's the number one donor to the U.N. World Food Program? How about contributing 15 billion to Africa for the AIDs epidemic? What is its "SelfLESSly" goal? To save more people to 'buy more' from USA's capitalist society?

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                                                                      • jammyjenkins
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                                                                        #36
                                                                        Originally posted by playa

                                                                        all i know is once this shit is over with
                                                                        the economy will be back up,
                                                                        I really doubt that

                                                                        the afghan "short, sharp war" made no difference to the economy did it now?

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                                                                        • rooster
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                                                                          #37
                                                                          The point is, you seem to have no problem with korea or vietnam, even though hundreds of thousands died, because it was to fight communism.

                                                                          And you also don't have a problem with yugoslavia, where bombs were dropped on a major city and there were civillian casualties. And this was done to force a regime change.

                                                                          Yet you are completely against removing a brutal dictator who has chemical weapons, and visions of making a nuke, and has proven that he will invade his neighbors and use such weapons on them.

                                                                          You are a total hypocrite. I am done with you.
                                                                          Ever notice that pretty much everything added to the Constitution after the original was a mistake.

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                                                                          • jammyjenkins
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                                                                            #38
                                                                            Originally posted by BigFish


                                                                            What is your ideology? What political system does your heart and soul yearn for? Communism? or a Democratic capitalist society? Would you rather have had North Korea take over South Korea and double the starvation rate currently taking place in North Korea now? South Korea today has one of the most thriving economies in the world. Do you see people dying left and right in the United States, Canada or Mexico? What is the U.S.'s goal when it's the number one donor to the U.N. World Food Program? How about contributing 15 billion to Africa for the AIDs epidemic? What is its "SelfLESSly" goal? To save more people to 'buy more' from USA's capitalist society?
                                                                            you miss the point

                                                                            the US takes part in wars to protect and further it's own interests

                                                                            nothing else

                                                                            and by the way, the EU gives more aid than the US, but doesn't make a big point of publicizing the fact

                                                                            don't believe me? then look it up

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                                                                            • jammyjenkins
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                                                                              #39
                                                                              Originally posted by rooster
                                                                              The point is, you seem to have no problem with korea or vietnam, even though hundreds of thousands died, because it was to fight communism.

                                                                              And you also don't have a problem with yugoslavia, where bombs were dropped on a major city and there were civillian casualties. And this was done to force a regime change.

                                                                              Yet you are completely against removing a brutal dictator who has chemical weapons, and visions of making a nuke, and has proven that he will invade his neighbors and use such weapons on them.
                                                                              that was a different argument

                                                                              I was explaining why none of the US wars are without selfish motivation, even though some starry-eyed posters seem to think of their government as some benign do-gooder

                                                                              I never said I supported any of those wars

                                                                              I was explaining the reasons behind them

                                                                              Of all those wars, I would say yugoslavia was the most justified, and it solved a bad situation which there was EVIDENCE of

                                                                              we still haven't seen evidence of saddam actually making a nuke, have we now?

                                                                              a justified war is fine

                                                                              I'm yet to be convinced that gulf war II is justified

                                                                              and I'm yet to be convinced that it won't cause a lot more problems than it may solve

                                                                              but please do feel free to put you head back in the sand



                                                                              You are a total hypocrite. I am done with you.
                                                                              Hurrah!

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                                                                              • BigFish
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                                                                                #40
                                                                                Originally posted by jammyjenkins


                                                                                you miss the point

                                                                                the US takes part in wars to protect and further it's own interests

                                                                                nothing else

                                                                                and by the way, the EU gives more aid than the US, but doesn't make a big point of publicizing the fact

                                                                                don't believe me? then look it up
                                                                                So you rather have had U.S. clam up in it's own shell for the last 100 years right? No intervention in WW1, WW2, Korea, Vietnam, Kosovo? Imagine that.

                                                                                By the way, about the Food program thingy: http://www.usembassy.it/usunrome/files/wfp.htm

                                                                                MAJOR DONORS TO WFP IN 1999 ($ million)

                                                                                Donor
                                                                                Value

                                                                                United States 712
                                                                                European Community 167
                                                                                Japan 106
                                                                                Canada 93
                                                                                Netherlands 55
                                                                                Germany 53
                                                                                Denmark 47
                                                                                Australia 46
                                                                                Norway 42
                                                                                Total Contributed to WFP 1,507

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                                                                                • PaulSweet
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                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  Originally posted by BigFish
                                                                                  Who's short sighted? Mandela should talk. More than 10% of South Africa's population (nearly 30 million people) is infected with the HIV with that rate expected to peak at 17% in 3 years. Who's short sighted? About 13 million people in six southern African countries face starvation or health-threatening food shortages over the next six months. Just two days ago Bush stated in his State of the Union address that he was going to submit a 15 billion dollar plan to help AIDs in Africa. Mandela needs to check his bitch ass self before he opens his mouth.

                                                                                  So the fact that most of the AIDs medication patents are controlled by US corporations that refuse to allow South Africa to produce the medicine minus the patent charges so that they can afford to help their people out has nothing to do with this.

                                                                                  You don't think that the majority of the 15 billion dollar plan is not going to funnel directly back into the US economy to produce full price medications which will then be shipped to South Africa? If the US was going to be so giving, in this instance, they would allow the Africans to produce a generic version of the medications and allow the money to stretch a LOT further and really make an impact.

                                                                                  I see your point here - but if you're really going to help people out you need to help them out. Not help yourself out first and give them the scraps. If you give them the scraps you can expect them to behave like dogs (bitches) you treat them like.

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                                                                                  • jammyjenkins
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                                                                                    #42
                                                                                    Originally posted by BigFish

                                                                                    So you rather have had U.S. clam up in it's own shell for the last 100 years right? No intervention in WW1, WW2, Korea, Vietnam, Kosovo? Imagine that.
                                                                                    find my exact quote where I said that would you?

                                                                                    my point was, the US is not a benign do gooder, whatever you may think

                                                                                    plus, it turned up to WW2 about two years late



                                                                                    By the way, about the Food program thingy: http://www.usembassy.it/usunrome/files/wfp.htm

                                                                                    MAJOR DONORS TO WFP IN 1999 ($ million)

                                                                                    Donor
                                                                                    Value

                                                                                    United States 712
                                                                                    European Community 167
                                                                                    Japan 106
                                                                                    Canada 93
                                                                                    Netherlands 55
                                                                                    Germany 53
                                                                                    Denmark 47
                                                                                    Australia 46
                                                                                    Norway 42
                                                                                    Total Contributed to WFP 1,507
                                                                                    that's just one area of donation

                                                                                    the EU donates billions every year

                                                                                    try finding those too

                                                                                    don't deliberately scew the argument

                                                                                    it's beneath you

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                                                                                    • BigFish
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                                                                                      #43
                                                                                      Originally posted by jammyjenkins


                                                                                      that's just one area of donation

                                                                                      the EU donates billions every year

                                                                                      try finding those too

                                                                                      don't deliberately scew the argument

                                                                                      it's beneath you
                                                                                      "One area of donation". That's smart. So WFP is an area now? Last time I checked, there's only one U.N. World Food Program. So there's a U.N. World Food Program II? You obviously have no credibility whatsoever. You post without facts. "EU donates billions every year". I wish i can find that but I can't. Please help us by posting your sources. lol. It's ok, we'll give you some time to write some statistics on your website and post it here.

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                                                                                      • KrazieSweets
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                                                                                        #44
                                                                                        Bush

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                                                                                        • Undutchable
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                                                                                          #45
                                                                                          Originally posted by BigFish


                                                                                          "One area of donation". That's smart. So WFP is an area now? Last time I checked, there's only one U.N. World Food Program. So there's a U.N. World Food Program II? You obviously have no credibility whatsoever. You post without facts. "EU donates billions every year". I wish i can find that but I can't. Please help us by posting your sources. lol. It's ok, we'll give you some time to write some statistics on your website and post it here.
                                                                                          Every western europe has a multi million euro (if not more) budget for what in Holland is called "Development Help". The money goes to 3rd world countries to help them in several projects, ranging from education, medication and agricultural and food assistance. Some posts really make me wonder what the average American's view is of Europe...

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                                                                                          • Probono
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                                                                                            #46
                                                                                            For the one and only authoritative source on GW Bush and his policies you should go to

                                                                                            http://www.whitehouse.org NOTE .org not .gov

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                                                                                            • BigFish
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                                                                                              #47
                                                                                              Originally posted by Undutchable


                                                                                              Every western europe has a multi million euro (if not more) budget for what in Holland is called "Development Help". The money goes to 3rd world countries to help them in several projects, ranging from education, medication and agricultural and food assistance. Some posts really make me wonder what the average American's view is of Europe...
                                                                                              We were talking specifically about the U.N. World Food Program though. Something that's big enough to be looked up and statistics verified.

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                                                                                              • ThunderBalls
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                                                                                                #48
                                                                                                Originally posted by Honeyslut

                                                                                                I guess Mandela did not hear Bush's speech about giving aid to Africa for aid treatment and prevention...


                                                                                                LOL
                                                                                                Some of you people are so damn stupid if Bush announced Switzerland was going to attack the US you would buy it without a thought.

                                                                                                The fact is in Jan of 2001 Bush cut off $650,000 in annual donations to a program in South Africa that distributed free condoms.

                                                                                                AIDS is not even in the top ten causes of death in the US anymore, and yet he uses this simply to appear to be compassionate and to gain the black vote. Why is he not going after cancer or diabetes? Because he is simply playing political games and you people believe his bullshit.

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                                                                                                • uno
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                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                  Originally posted by FlyingIguana


                                                                                                  they asked for help and the states went. you don't let one country attack others around them.
                                                                                                  You are right, why didn't we help out East Timor, prevent the largest proportional genocide since ww2? They were invaded by Indonesia. hmm.
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                                                                                                  • rooster
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                                                                                                    #50
                                                                                                    But if clinton did the same thing, he would be such a "great guy".

                                                                                                    Become more moderate, the far left bullshit is getting old.
                                                                                                    Ever notice that pretty much everything added to the Constitution after the original was a mistake.

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