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  • MrPopup
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    • Aug 2002
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    The Code Words of Politics and Propaganda

    This is a very revealing look at the wordplay and manipulation going on behind the scenes at the White House...

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    'Background' Checks
    By Dana Milbank
    Washington Post Staff Writer
    Tuesday, January 28, 2003; Page A19


    As President Bush flew to St. Louis on Air Force One last week, press secretary Ari Fleischer, giving his usual on-the-record briefing, was asked about popular support for Bush. "If you're interested, I'll be happy to go on background and discuss more data with you," he said.

    Huh? Bush aides such as Fleischer routinely condemn the practice of quoting White House officials on a "background," or unnamed, basis. Fleischer has said he tells Bush's top aides they are free to speak to the media as long as they use their names, and he often challenges background attributions in news briefings to discredit reports on sensitive subjects.

    But in the use of unnamed sources, the White House is on record for having it both ways -- not unlike previous White Houses. More often than not, the anonymous "senior administration officials" in stories are the same spokesmen and spin doctors -- Fleischer among them -- who normally speak on the record. They routinely speak unnamed, or "on background," with the full knowledge and blessing of the White House.

    Sometimes there are genuinely unauthorized "background" quotations, often identifiable by their negative tone. Using broad definitions, there are perhaps 100 "senior administration officials" in the White House and many more throughout the bureaucracy -- a few of whom object to their boss's policies. Generally, though, the unnamed officials are speaking anonymously with the knowledge of their colleagues, to float a trial balloon or to convey an informal message or nuance -- sometimes political dirty work -- that they don't want on the record.

    After Fleischer asked to go "on background" on Air Force One last week, the White House sent out two transcripts, one of Fleischer's briefing and one by an unnamed "senior administration official" who went deep into the political nitty-gritty. "I'm happy to talk to you about polls," the official said, "but White House policy is background."

    White House policy is not always in favor of "background." In April of last year, when an unnamed official suggested in a report that the administration might support a coup in Venezuela, Fleischer challenged: "What's the name of the official? . . . The person obviously doesn't have enough confidence in what he said to say it on the record." And two months ago, when an unnamed official said Bush would issue an ultimatum to Saudi Arabia, Fleischer dismissed the "anonymous quote from somebody who didn't even put their name behind it."

    In a meeting with reporters last week, Bush political adviser Karl Rove said Bush's plan to abolish the dividend tax was evidence that he's "a populist. Give him a choice between Wall Street and Main Street and he'll choose Main Street every time."

    As evidence, Rove argued that "45 percent of all of the dividend income goes to people with $50,000-or-less incomes, family incomes. Nearly three-quarters of it goes to families with $100,000 or less family income."

    Not exactly. It is true that 43.8 percent of tax returns with dividend income are from households with less than $50,000 in income and 73.8 percent of such returns are from households with less than $100,000. But that doesn't mean the little guy earning less than $50,000 gets "45 percent of all the income" or that the Main Street earners below $100,000 get "three-quarters" of dividend income.

    In fact, those earning less than $50,000 get 14.7 percent of dividend income, and those earning less than $100,000 get 32.7 percent, according to a Brookings Institution/Urban Institute analysis. The former would get 6.8 percent of the benefit of Bush's dividend plan, while the latter would get 20.9 percent.

    "The United Nations resolution did not put the burden of proof on the United States or the U.N. to prove that Iraq has these weapons," Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld said last week. "The U.N. resolution put the burden directly on Iraq to prove that it is disarming and that it does not have these weapons."

    In other words, Iraq must prove a negative, and is refusing to do so. Almost a year to the day before Rumsfeld's remark, Fleischer was asked why the administration would not release details about meetings with energy companies such as Enron Corp. to prove that nothing untoward occurred. Fleischer replied: "You're asking us to prove a negative, and that's a road that we're not traveling."

    During the Q&A last week, a reporter noted to Rove that "depending on the day your boss may refer to you as 'boy genius' or 'a flower that grows in cow patties.' "

    Replied Rove: "More the latter than the former."

    From a press pool report describing Bush's appearance last Wednesday at a roundtable meeting in St. Louis: "Bush asked Kathie Zuroweste, who runs a restaurant with her husband, 'What's your biggest problem?' She replied: 'Keeping people. They know they can make more on welfare than from working.' Bush then talked about the need to make the elimination of the death tax permanent."
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  • PerfectionGirls
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    • LiveDose
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      #3
      Too many words... Just got up and trying to enjoy my morning... errr, afternoon coffee...

      Read Slander last night. Great book.

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      • ADL Colin
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        • Feb 2001
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        #4
        The Code Words of Politics and Propaganda.
        Mr Popup hates the USA.


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        • LiveDose
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          #5
          Originally posted by Colin
          The Code Words of Politics and Propaganda.
          Mr Popup hates the USA.


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          • jammyjenkins
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            • Feb 2002
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            #6
            Originally posted by Colin
            Mr Popup hates the USA.
            must people do

            if that comes as a surprise to you, then lol

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            • PerfectionGirls
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              #7
              Mr Popup hates the USA.
              You think? hahaha! It's just boring reading his USA hate post everyday. Don't you just love back seat drivers?
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              • ADL Colin
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                • Feb 2001
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                #8
                Originally posted by jammyjenkins


                must people do

                if that comes as a surprise to you, then lol
                No. What DOES surprise me is that you would want to alienate so many future potential business partners and deals. Why would you do that?


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                • jammyjenkins
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                  • Feb 2002
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by PerfectionGirls


                  You think? hahaha! It's just boring reading his USA hate post everyday. Don't you just love back seat drivers?
                  back seat drivers?

                  so you run the USA do you?

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                  • jammyjenkins
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                    • Feb 2002
                    • 1371

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Colin


                    No. What DOES surprise me is that you would want to alienate so many future potential business partners and deals. Why would you do that?
                    hey colin dude

                    stop with the questions

                    this isn't about me

                    I'm just stating a well known fact

                    don't tell me it's completely passed you by?

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                    • ADL Colin
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                      • Feb 2001
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                      #11
                      Originally posted by jammyjenkins


                      hey colin dude

                      stop with the questions

                      this isn't about me

                      I'm just stating a well known fact

                      don't tell me it's completely passed you by?

                      HaHa. Ok, you're right. I should have said:

                      What DOES surprise me is that people would alienate so many future potential business partners and deals. Why would someone do that?


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                      • jammyjenkins
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                        • Feb 2002
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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Colin


                        HaHa. Ok, you're right. I should have said:

                        What DOES surprise me is that people would alienate so many future potential business partners and deals. Why would someone do that?
                        answer: I don't care

                        or haven't you gathered that yet?

                        I don't need you, and will never need you to make money.


                        so you don't realize yet that most of the world hates the US?

                        funny.

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                        • PerfectionGirls
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                          #13
                          so you run the USA do you?
                          Just stop

                          We have proven your ignorance in another thread so no need to continue. lol

                          Show me where I implied that I run the US?


                          I know you hate the US and I am comfortable with that.
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                          • jammyjenkins
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                            • Feb 2002
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                            #14
                            Originally posted by PerfectionGirls


                            Just stop

                            We have proven your ignorance in another thread so no need to continue. lol

                            Show me where I implied that I run the US?


                            I know you hate the US and I am comfortable with that.
                            you were implying that mrpopup is a back seat driver

                            however, I'm guessing he has about as much say/influence in the politics of america as you do?

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                            • ADL Colin
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                              • Feb 2001
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                              #15
                              Originally posted by jammyjenkins


                              I don't need you, and will never need you to make money.

                              I understand. You don't need too many other people to make beer money. Someday though, you will grow up and want to make more than a few dollars a day. Plan for the future, Jammy.


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                              • PerfectionGirls
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                                #16
                                however, I'm guessing he has about as much say/influence in the politics of america as you do?
                                So you and Mrpopup has a great deal of "say" in how your goverment is run?
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                                • jammyjenkins
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                                  • Feb 2002
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                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by Colin


                                  I understand. You don't need too many other people to make beer money. Someday though, you will grow up and want to make more than a few dollars a day. Plan for the future, Jammy.
                                  comments like that amuse me

                                  my business is non of your concern

                                  who I work with is non of your concern

                                  if I ever felt posting here would harm my profits, I would stop

                                  it doesn't

                                  so I won't

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                                  • jammyjenkins
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                                    • Feb 2002
                                    • 1371

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by PerfectionGirls


                                    So you and Mrpopup has a great deal of "say" in how your goverment is run?
                                    about as much as you have with yours?

                                    does that make you a back seat driver in your OWN country?

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                                    • PerfectionGirls
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                                      #19
                                      however, I'm guessing he has about as much say/influence in the politics of america as you do?
                                      More like soda and candy bar money. Thats the same type of remarks I made when I was 15.

                                      "I don't need you... I don't need anyone" lol!

                                      Boy did I learn. Jammy will learn someday also. lol Right now he reminds me of a few of my old High School students. Thanks for the memories Jammy.
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                                      • jammyjenkins
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                                        • Feb 2002
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                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by PerfectionGirls


                                        More like soda and candy bar money. Thats the same type of remarks I made when I was 15.

                                        "I don't need you... I don't need anyone" lol!

                                        Boy did I learn. Jammy will learn someday also. lol Right now he reminds me of a few of my old High School students. Thanks for the memories Jammy.
                                        funny

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                                        • MrPopup
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                                          • Aug 2002
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                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by Colin
                                          The Code Words of Politics and Propaganda.
                                          Mr Popup hates the USA.
                                          Trying to figure out how you made that connection.

                                          Once again I have to reinforce that never once have i said I hated USA.

                                          Obviously you have a problem with people freely speaking their mind without reducing it to some petty US vs. THEM mentality.

                                          Go back and read my posts and find one post that backs ups this "hate"...

                                          and while you're at it...-
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                                          • MrPopup
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                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by LiveDose
                                            Too many words... Just got up and trying to enjoy my morning... errr, afternoon coffee...

                                            Read Slander last night. Great book.
                                            Too many words yet you feel you can comment on it?
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                                            • MrPopup
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                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by jammyjenkins


                                              so you don't realize yet that most of the world hates the US?

                                              funny.

                                              You're an idiot.
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                                              • MrPopup
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                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by PerfectionGirls


                                                So you and Mrpopup has a great deal of "say" in how your goverment is run?
                                                Can you do me a favor and not lump me in with anyone else?

                                                Please?

                                                I dont fucking lump all your posts in with another user so kindly do me the same favor
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                                                • jammyjenkins
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                                                  • Feb 2002
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                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by MrPopup


                                                  You're an idiot.
                                                  until this moment, I gave mrpopup the benefit of the doubt

                                                  I guess 12clicks was right

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                                                  • PerfectionGirls
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                                                    #26
                                                    does that make you a back seat driver in your OWN country?
                                                    Everyone has opinions and ideas on how to improve things. You two just sit on the FAR sidelines.

                                                    Are we back seat drivers? Hmmm... Good question. We can decide our level of involvement so I would say no. Some are happy to just sit back and bitch and do nothing about it. Others are more proactive and try to make a difference. DO they always make a difference? No, but the fact they have the freedom to try sets them apart.

                                                    Based on all your remarks, I would say you are the first.. You like to sit back and bitch. Can you vote? Do you vote? Are you old enough to vote? To what level are you engauged in your own countries political make-up to speculate on ours? Reading the news paper does not count.
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                                                    • PerfectionGirls
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                                                      #27
                                                      Can you do me a favor and not lump me in with anyone else?
                                                      Fair enough

                                                      This is Jammys crusade.
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                                                      • MrPopup
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                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by jammyjenkins


                                                        until this moment, I gave mrpopup the benefit of the doubt

                                                        I guess 12clicks was right

                                                        Coming from you, thats the best endorsement for intelligence I've ever seen.
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                                                        • ADL Colin
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                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by MrPopup


                                                          Trying to figure out how you made that connection.

                                                          Once again I have to reinforce that never once have i said I hated USA.

                                                          Obviously you have a problem with people freely speaking their mind without reducing it to some petty US vs. THEM mentality.

                                                          Go back and read my posts and find one post that backs ups this "hate"...

                                                          and while you're at it...-
                                                          You might ask yourself what you are doing that is causing people to think this. Since you probably won't be willing to do this I will help you.

                                                          It's your choice of articles that make many of us think this. It's your choice of articles that make many of us think this.

                                                          Such comments as "This is a very revealing look at the wordplay and manipulation going on behind the scenes at the White House..." certainly show your true colors. If you think you're hiding what you think, you're doing a terrible job at it. What's your agenda?


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                                                          • jammyjenkins
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                                                            • Feb 2002
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                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by PerfectionGirls


                                                            Fair enough

                                                            This is Jammys crusade.
                                                            not a crusade

                                                            I'm just one of millions (probably billions) concerned about the US's recent ultra-nationalism and military adventurism

                                                            it could all end it tears

                                                            that's what people are concerned about

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                                                            • jammyjenkins
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                                                              • Feb 2002
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                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by MrPopup


                                                              Coming from you, thats the best endorsement for intelligence I've ever seen.
                                                              okey-dokey

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                                                              • MrPopup
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                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by jammyjenkins
                                                                that's what people are concerned about
                                                                So you show your concern by personally insulting people and making immature and stupid statements like "All the world hates the USA" ?!?

                                                                Kid, you're an idiot.

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                                                                • jammyjenkins
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                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by MrPopup


                                                                  So you show your concern by personally insulting people and making immature and stupid statements like "All the world hates the USA" ?!?

                                                                  Kid, you're an idiot.

                                                                  I gather two things from this:

                                                                  One: you're American

                                                                  Two: you're unaware

                                                                  For someone who obviously loves news, the fact that there is a HUGE amount of anti-americanism in the world in basically every single country seems to have passed you by.

                                                                  Surprising.

                                                                  Whether you like it or not, it's a fact.

                                                                  People really do not like how the US is acting, how it's throwing it's weight around...

                                                                  The US is isolating itself, by it's own actions. If he's alive, that must make Bin Laden very happy.

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                                                                  • jammyjenkins
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                                                                    • Feb 2002
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                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by PerfectionGirls


                                                                    Everyone has opinions and ideas on how to improve things. You two just sit on the FAR sidelines.

                                                                    Are we back seat drivers? Hmmm... Good question. We can decide our level of involvement so I would say no. Some are happy to just sit back and bitch and do nothing about it. Others are more proactive and try to make a difference. DO they always make a difference? No, but the fact they have the freedom to try sets them apart.
                                                                    Please realise you're not the only country in the world with political and social freedom.

                                                                    And you can try to make a difference, but without very deep pockets, do you seriously think you could?

                                                                    Based on all your remarks, I would say you are the first.. You like to sit back and bitch. Can you vote? Do you vote? Are you old enough to vote? To what level are you engauged in your own countries political make-up to speculate on ours? Reading the news paper does not count.
                                                                    Mostly answered in other post

                                                                    People are concerned, that's it

                                                                    If one country keeps pushing, sooner or later other countries are going to push back

                                                                    As I said, it could all end in tears

                                                                    As much as the US would like to be immune from all outside dangers, that's just not realistic

                                                                    Laters

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                                                                    • MrPopup
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                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by jammyjenkins

                                                                      The US is isolating itself, by it's own actions. If he's alive, that must make Bin Laden very happy.
                                                                      This is what happens when you raise children on MTV
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                                                                      • jammyjenkins
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                                                                        #36
                                                                        Originally posted by MrPopup


                                                                        This is what happens when you raise children on MTV
                                                                        tragic

                                                                        if you weren't being serious, you'd be one funny guy



                                                                        pop off, mrpopup

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                                                                        • PerfectionGirls
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                                                                          #37
                                                                          And you can try to make a difference, but without very deep pockets, do you seriously think you could?
                                                                          People do it everyday! It has nothing to do with money... it has everything to do with commitment.

                                                                          The people that have shaped American History the most have been the people with the least.
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                                                                          • jammyjenkins
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                                                                            #38
                                                                            Originally posted by PerfectionGirls


                                                                            People do it everyday! It has nothing to do with money... it has everything to do with commitment.

                                                                            The people that have shaped American History the most have been the people with the least.
                                                                            I would say that was certainly true in the past. Would you say that is still true? It seems to be those with money are those with power.

                                                                            They control the media, the corporations...etc.

                                                                            Just as an example -- why is it most (if not all) politicians seem to be wealthy, even before they enter politics?

                                                                            I understand this wasn't the case with Clinton. He literally worked himself up from the gutter?

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                                                                            • jammyjenkins
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                                                                              #39
                                                                              Clinton killed the thread

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                                                                              • jas1552
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                                                                                #40
                                                                                Originally posted by jammyjenkins


                                                                                I would say that was certainly true in the past. Would you say that is still true? It seems to be those with money are those with power.

                                                                                They control the media, the corporations...etc.

                                                                                Just as an example -- why is it most (if not all) politicians seem to be wealthy, even before they enter politics?

                                                                                I understand this wasn't the case with Clinton. He literally worked himself up from the gutter?
                                                                                Hmm maybe because they're ambitious. Maybe ambitious people are more likely to have good jobs and money and run for office. It's just a theory. I could be wrong.

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                                                                                • Libertine
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                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  Originally posted by jas1552

                                                                                  Hmm maybe because they're ambitious. Maybe ambitious people are more likely to have good jobs and money and run for office. It's just a theory. I could be wrong.
                                                                                  No. Because of their social networks, gotten through their parents.
                                                                                  For instance, Bush spent most of his life screwing up nearly everything possible. The reason that he got new chances every single time most certainly was not his own merit.
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                                                                                  • jammyjenkins
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                                                                                    #42
                                                                                    Am I right about Clinton, or am I off the mark?

                                                                                    I remember reading that he grew up in a black neighorhood, and has a lot of black friends.

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