I'd say about 20-25% of my $2.95 3 day trials rebill at $30.
What about YOU?
What about YOU?
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/me thinks you need to practice this phrase outloud.Originally posted by Max Walker
I'd say about 20-25% of my $2.95 3 day trials rebill at $30.
What about YOU?
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lolOriginally posted by smut4all
you can always count on epic to put you in the whole where you belong
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27% for $40 months on 3 day free trials.. as a pure experiment, I tried 1 day free's that converted at $50, with guess what in the members area -- FREE CONTENT and they converted like 3% less.. averaging 50 joins/day to the site for two weeks.. pretty funny.. content is overrated
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let me guess, you retain at like 85%Originally posted by EpcCsh_PD
/me thinks you need to practice this phrase outloud.
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nah around 40%. But you simply can not survive on 27%. sorry.Originally posted by Alky
let me guess, you retain at like 85%Comment
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i make really good money off 27% .. its volume man.. its all the freaking same.. look at ARS sites.. they suck.. topbucks sites suck (dunno about new reality sites).. I would bet they didn't retain any less than some super specific site like one of Lightspeed's.. their conversion is like 25-30%.. Dude, it's all the same.. the simple fact is that the way we make money is people forget to cancel... Hate to be cynical but it's true.
You might be able to add high quality broadband movies and some really good webcams or something and boost your % up like 5% or so.. but other than that, it's all the same... You could do some nastydollar type sites that are pretty good and maybe add another 5% on top of that, but why bother with all the original content when you can just do some shit plug in turn key site with 1/10th of the hard work and make just 10% less $? that's my opinion, but I guess that's coming from someone who wants something (and gets it typically) for nothing...Comment
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I gotta argue with you on that.. I do really well off 27%.. its cuz of ezclicks tho.. those retain at like 33% or so to really similar sites... I do very well off 27%.. but its with a ton of sign ups I guessOriginally posted by EpcCsh_PD
nah around 40%. But you simply can not survive on 27%. sorry.Comment
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I know I'm asking for trouble, but whats program DParty Poker $25 Free with your first depositComment
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if they retained better they'd make more money...Originally posted by Donnie Gangsta
i make really good money off 27% .. its volume man.. its all the freaking same.. look at ARS sites.. they suck.. topbucks sites suck (dunno about new reality sites).. I would bet they didn't retain any less than some super specific site like one of Lightspeed's.. their conversion is like 25-30%.. Dude, it's all the same.. the simple fact is that the way we make money is people forget to cancel... Hate to be cynical but it's true.
You might be able to add high quality broadband movies and some really good webcams or something and boost your % up like 5% or so.. but other than that, it's all the same... You could do some nastydollar type sites that are pretty good and maybe add another 5% on top of that, but why bother with all the original content when you can just do some shit plug in turn key site with 1/10th of the hard work and make just 10% less $? that's my opinion, but I guess that's coming from someone who wants something (and gets it typically) for nothing...Comment
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sites are pretty private.. i could post screen shots of daily sales or something i guess to prove i'm not bullshitting.. but i really do pretty ok off 27% avg.. that's all I was saying.. why are you asking for trouble? i dont understand
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i suppose 27% is acceptable to some people.. I have high standards and im never satisfied. If i can make more, i will find a way.Comment
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Yeah I agree.. it would be really good for more.. but I just mean.. you can throw up any site and retain at 30% average, or work your ass off and retain at 40%... is it worth it? That was sort of my point... i'm not dissing anyone who has better #'s..Comment
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I hear ya.. im not trying to either... 10% of lets say 100k a month is 10k... wouldnt you like an extra 10k to spend on toys or whores or drugs or something though? Im a work-a-holic so hard work doesnt bother me.Originally posted by Donnie Gangsta
Yeah I agree.. it would be really good for more.. but I just mean.. you can throw up any site and retain at 30% average, or work your ass off and retain at 40%... is it worth it? That was sort of my point... i'm not dissing anyone who has better #'s..Comment
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yes, but different order, 1.drugs 2. toys 3. whores-mayberParty Poker $25 Free with your first depositComment
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trueOriginally posted by EpcCsh_PD
I hear ya.. im not trying to either... 10% of lets say 100k a month is 10k... wouldnt you like an extra 10k to spend on toys or whores or drugs or something though? Im a work-a-holic so hard work doesnt bother me. maybe i'll go buy a shitload of movies or something
i never really considered it in $ figures
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If you make 100k at 30%, you'd make 133k at 40%... Seems like a big difference to me.Comment
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Industry average on processors is 35%. Some people can do as bad as 10% other do as good as 60%+...
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what choo talkin about willis?Originally posted by grunge
If you make 100k at 30%, you'd make 133k at 40%... Seems like a big difference to me.Comment
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Math I thinkOriginally posted by EpcCsh_PD
what choo talkin about willis?
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40% is about average for cookie cutter sites on the Epoch free trials, any less and I'd be very worried.
On regular paid trials to rebill 60% used to be cream of the crop, now 40-50% is considered great. Some niches hold like crazy of course, but they have to be done right.
I can think of a few sponsors who retain a lot better than the ones mentioned in this thread, but I guess that's why they're still good.Comment
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yea but is the math right?Originally posted by drunkdollars
Math I think
30% + 10%=40%
100k=30% 13....
ahh fuck it im a moron, i cant figure it outComment
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Free trials average is not 40%... not even close, if it was everyone would have free trials. ~TheDoc - ICQ7765825
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Well let me qualify that:Originally posted by TheDoc
Free trials average is not 40%... not even close, if it was everyone would have free trials.
two different dubious program owners have claimed 40% with Epoch free trials.
I have heard similar ruminations from other people, but I haven't been inside to see the stats. So much bullshit in this industry lately, definitely a sign of hard times ahead.Comment
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Free trials are normally 5% lower but can be as bad as 20% lower than paid trials. ~TheDoc - ICQ7765825
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Dude, you are totally right here. Free trials suck. I use them though, because people sending me traffic like them.. free trial avg with paycom is 25-30%.. that is my avg with the free trials, and everyone i've asked says the same thing.. I think that anyone who says better should fucking prove it. (screen shot)Originally posted by TheDoc
Free trials are normally 5% lower but can be as bad as 20% lower than paid trials.
I would be glad to post my screen shots.. its like 27.5% over all with epoch free trials
the paid trials do like 10-15% better on average, but 10-15% less sign ups.. free trials are better for affiliates but not the program owner.
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OK let me ask you a question Donnie
Does 24 hour trial convert better than 3 day
Does 3 day convert better than 4 day
Does 4 day convert better than 5 day?
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tru dat!oh.. btw free trials = CREDITSComment
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Donnie?Originally posted by drunkdollars
OK let me ask you a question Donnie
Does 24 hour trial convert better than 3 day
Does 3 day convert better than 4 day
Does 4 day convert better than 5 day?
This is sincere questionSIGS ARE GAY
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These days, I only see like 25% from the various sponsors I push.
Time to push the $35 per signup again.
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I don't know you from adam - but i gotta assume you're not doing any serious volume - eventhough you illuded to volume being the way you are able to stay happy at a lower % retention.Originally posted by Donnie Gangsta
true maybe i'll go buy a shitload of movies or something
i never really considered it in $ figures
But NOBODY does serious volume and somehow 'never really considers' the dollar implications of their decisions.
besides - 3 minutes with a piece of paper can point out that these decisions are no brainers. a small increase in revenue -- usually results in large impacts on the profit margin -- which is the owner's take home/reinvestment capital.Comment
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word!Originally posted by BrettJ
I don't know you from adam - but i gotta assume you're not doing any serious volume - eventhough you illuded to volume being the way you are able to stay happy at a lower % retention.
But NOBODY does serious volume and somehow 'never really considers' the dollar implications of their decisions.
besides - 3 minutes with a piece of paper can point out that these decisions are no brainers. a small increase in revenue -- usually results in large impacts on the profit margin -- which is the owner's take home/reinvestment capital.Comment
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What you need to think about is that extra 10% is profit. Thats an extra $1K or $10 to spend on yourself.
But the problem goes deeper than the extra work, their are some webmasters who could work 25 hours a day and will never increase their earnings that much. Ant then their are guys that work 2-3 hours a day and make a fortune. It's down to your ability to supply the product that the surfer wants.
Give him 1 day or three days trial it's largely irrelevant, if after 2 hours he's decided this is just another pile it high with little thought porn site.
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yeah well assume what you will, it doesn't really matter.. i just have a cynical approach to everything.. but i am happy with my volume.. it is probably more than yours, and i don't really have to justify myself to you... post some stats.. i could post my sales for todayOriginally posted by BrettJ
I don't know you from adam - but i gotta assume you're not doing any serious volume - eventhough you illuded to volume being the way you are able to stay happy at a lower % retention.
But NOBODY does serious volume and somehow 'never really considers' the dollar implications of their decisions.
besides - 3 minutes with a piece of paper can point out that these decisions are no brainers. a small increase in revenue -- usually results in large impacts on the profit margin -- which is the owner's take home/reinvestment capital.Comment
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Hey.. here is what I do:Originally posted by drunkdollars
OK let me ask you a question Donnie
Does 24 hour trial convert better than 3 day
Does 3 day convert better than 4 day
Does 4 day convert better than 5 day?
This is sincere question
I mix them up purposely (The cross sales)
I do a 2 day trial for the main site
a 5 day cross sale and a 1 day cross sale
The one day converts the best but with the most credits.. The 5 day is probably the best, actually. More time for them to forget to cancel. Just in my experience.
I apologize for not answering sooner.Comment
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Originally posted by EpcCsh_PD
I hear ya.. im not trying to either... 10% of lets say 100k a month is 10k... wouldnt you like an extra 10k to spend on toys or whores or drugs or something though? Im a work-a-holic so hard work doesnt bother me.
I agree with you 100%. When you make enough money to break even every cent over that is spending money. So the $5000 you make over is WAY better than the first $5000 you make. Because all of that money is yours to spend.
But About Your Math
yea but is the math right?
30% + 10%=40%
100k=30% 13....
ahh fuck it im a moron, i cant figure it out
You are basing 10% on cash when you do your figures. But you originally said if you retain 10% more customers.
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You get 10,000 trial signups in a month. If 30% convert at $40 for instance you would gross $120,000. On the same example if 40% converted to paid on the same month at $40 your gross would be $160,000. In this example a 10% increase in rebills equals a 25% increase in gross income. Which brings me back to my first post. Now you have $40,000 extra $$. More of this 40k is yours than the rest because it is all extra.
This is especially true for those of you that pay on a free trial regardless of conversion. Being that you paid out on every free trial a 10% increase in rebills is a HUGE gain for you since you paid for that customer up front.
And since nobody mentioned it I will ask. Out of the people that rebill what is your average length of membership in months?
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We get >95% from free trial to rebill with StatsRemote... beat that
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I have no doubt about that, your program rule!Originally posted by J B
We get >95% from free trial to rebill with StatsRemote... beat that
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"40% is about average for cookie cutter sites on the Epoch free trials, any less and I'd be very worried. "
I can not agree with you on that one, it took us a while to get to 40%. I wouldn´t mind taking a look at your membersections to find out how you get a even higher percentage ...Comment
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This is a good thread. Thought I would bump.
Even getting 40% conversions on Epoch free trials im willing to bet your credits are farely high aswell probably 5-6%
Lots of guys are using these Ezclicks aswell. This has to have an affect on retention maybe not as much on conversion from free trial but in the long run I'm sure it does especially sites using two of them.
Anyone have experiments on Ezclick affecting retention and or conversion they would like to share?Comment
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EpcCsh_PD, please post some ideas on how you convert at 40%.
One strategy I use is to have so much content that they can't possibly get through it in one sitting. That ups the chances that they'll forget to cancel.
My newest site is not really porn and I don't have a trial, so I'm a little out of touch with this issue.Fyodor Dostoyevsky wrote: "Every man has reminiscences which he would not tell to everyone but only his friends. He has other matters in his mind which he would not reveal even to his friends, but only to himself, and that in secret. But there are other things which a man is afraid to tell even to himself, and every decent man has a number of such things stored away in his mind."
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Using ezclicks, we found more people accepted a paid trial offer than a free trial offer. Also, fallout % on free trials was way higher. With $1 3 day trials have worked great for us.Dude, you are totally right here. Free trials suck.Comment
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