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  • GTS Mark
    Vrume Mark
    • Jan 2001
    • 20912

    #1

    Fucking Whiney Bitching About Sales!

    Alright I am soooo tired of people whining about conversions and sales this week. For fucks sake who's fault is it that you were not smart enough to take the recurring instead of the per sign up payout.

    I switched 90% of my stuff over to recurring 8 months ago on recommendation from Sleazy. Ever since then I have consistently made money and built on that.

    Here is a tip for the newbs out there, don't be a sucker and take the PPS. Or you will end up like all the rest of the people here complaining about this company or this company shaving.

    The reality is this week I believe most of the credit card statements for X-mas were received and people are more hesitent to put charges on the Credit Cards. Hence less signups!

    Alright I have vented, move along people

    DH
  • twistyneck
    So Fucking Banned
    • Jan 2002
    • 4660

    #2
    My sales are shitty this week but man oh man the rebills are good.

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    • GTS Mark
      Vrume Mark
      • Jan 2001
      • 20912

      #3
      Originally posted by twistyneck
      My sales are shitty this week but man oh man the rebills are good.
      Amen brother!

      DH

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      • Martin
        "Assassins"
        • Dec 2001
        • 17274

        #4
        I told you to go recurring.. Stop kissing Sleazy ass..

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        • Candyman69
          Confirmed User
          • Jul 2002
          • 764

          #5
          its all about the rebills, LOL ching ching
          domain buyer

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          • xxxdesign-net
            My hips don't lie
            • Nov 2002
            • 10129

            #6
            Well, it depends on the site... if the site looks good but with crappy content and no update... go with PPS....

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            • hahmike
              So Fucking Banned
              • May 2002
              • 2488

              #7
              usually there are at least five "who has hosted galleries?" threads started per day




              so far today i've only seen one

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              • SR
                Confirmed User
                • Jul 2001
                • 2239

                #8
                I do both recurring and per signup.
                Both do great but I would never do per signup alone.

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                • Libertine
                  sex dwarf
                  • May 2002
                  • 17860

                  #9
                  Originally posted by DrinkingHard
                  Alright I am soooo tired of people whining about conversions and sales this week. For fucks sake who's fault is it that you were not smart enough to take the recurring instead of the per sign up payout.

                  I switched 90% of my stuff over to recurring 8 months ago on recommendation from Sleazy. Ever since then I have consistently made money and built on that.

                  Here is a tip for the newbs out there, don't be a sucker and take the PPS. Or you will end up like all the rest of the people here complaining about this company or this company shaving.

                  The reality is this week I believe most of the credit card statements for X-mas were received and people are more hesitent to put charges on the Credit Cards. Hence less signups!

                  Alright I have vented, move along people

                  DH
                  When you suddenly get 1:5000, it sucks. Even when you're using recurring instead of per signup.
                  /(bb|[^b]{2})/

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                  • kenny
                    Confirmed User
                    • Mar 2002
                    • 7245

                    #10
                    I <3 rebills. There are good persignup programs too
                    7

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                    • Martin
                      "Assassins"
                      • Dec 2001
                      • 17274

                      #11
                      Sales haven't been bad lately at all.. Couple slow days but, over all not bad all things considered..

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                      • Bake
                        Confirmed User
                        • Jan 2001
                        • 5919

                        #12
                        Why is it when sales are low its the programes fault never the fact that they cant market.
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                        • GTS Mark
                          Vrume Mark
                          • Jan 2001
                          • 20912

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Martin
                          I told you to go recurring.. Stop kissing Sleazy ass..
                          I am going to come back and fist your ass Martin. Don't fuck with me, I'm horny!

                          DH

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                          • EpcCsh_PD
                            So Fucking Banned
                            • Jan 2003
                            • 186

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Bake
                            Why is it when sales are low its the programes fault never the fact that they cant market.
                            bingo.

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                            • SNOW
                              Confirmed User
                              • Feb 2001
                              • 3963

                              #15
                              DH YOU ARE SO ON BRO......... I have always said this. ALWAYS recurring is a winner. It'slike investing...

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                              • GTS Mark
                                Vrume Mark
                                • Jan 2001
                                • 20912

                                #16
                                Originally posted by punkworld


                                When you suddenly get 1:5000, it sucks. Even when you're using recurring instead of per signup.
                                What are you promoting Nasty Dollars or something?

                                DH

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                                • Dirty F
                                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                                  • Jul 2001
                                  • 59204

                                  #17
                                  I switched most my links to recurring sponsors simply because i cant seem to convert per signup sponsors anymore...recurring signups are doing fine but with most programs the member has to stay 3 months before you'll get the same amount $ as the per signup sponsor...this is really hard to achieve.

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                                  • Martin
                                    "Assassins"
                                    • Dec 2001
                                    • 17274

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by DrinkingHard


                                    I am going to come back and fist your ass Martin. Don't fuck with me, I'm horny!

                                    DH
                                    Oh baby

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                                    • GTS Mark
                                      Vrume Mark
                                      • Jan 2001
                                      • 20912

                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by SNOW
                                      DH YOU ARE SO ON BRO......... I have always said this. ALWAYS recurring is a winner. It'slike investing...
                                      Absolutely Snow, not to brag but I could take months off work and not have to worry about a paycheque. Recurring is definetely the way to go.

                                      DH

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                                      • Muff
                                        Confirmed User
                                        • Mar 2001
                                        • 1782

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by Bake
                                        Why is it when sales are low its the programes fault never the fact that they cant market.
                                        I think most of the guys that jump the gun and figure somethings wrong are sending very little traffic.

                                        I don't think you can really judge bad days or weeks accurately unless your're sending afew hundred thousand hits a month to a sponsor. Unless you know your traffic like the back of your hand it's tough to judge small amounts of traffic...
                                        Last edited by Muff; 01-25-2003, 02:45 PM.

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                                        • Brujah
                                          Beer Money Baron
                                          • Jan 2001
                                          • 22157

                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by Bake
                                          Why is it when sales are low its the programes fault never the fact that they cant market.
                                          Shaving, Scrubbing, Programming, Vegas Vacation gambling losses, Tranny hooker, etc..

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                                          • Dawgy
                                            Confirmed User
                                            • Jul 2001
                                            • 5856

                                            #22
                                            recurring is our friend.
                                            the revolution is coming.

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                                            • Candyman69
                                              Confirmed User
                                              • Jul 2002
                                              • 764

                                              #23
                                              ALTHOUGht
                                              i must admit
                                              i'm banking off Adultplatinum right now

                                              but most of my eggs are in recurring =)
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                                              • Sly_RJ
                                                Live Hard - Die Hard
                                                • Feb 2002
                                                • 17042

                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by Battuss
                                                I switched most my links to recurring sponsors simply because i cant seem to convert per signup sponsors anymore...recurring signups are doing fine but with most programs the member has to stay 3 months before you'll get the same amount $ as the per signup sponsor...this is really hard to achieve.
                                                Exactly.

                                                Those who push mainly recurring, are you guys making over $35 per TRIAL? If not, I don't see why you're so happy with recurring.

                                                Personally, I'd rather get the $35 upfront than have to worry about my trial retaining for 3 months to receive the same check.
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                                                • kenny
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                                                  • Mar 2002
                                                  • 7245

                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by Dawgy
                                                  recurring is our friend.
                                                  Esp. when it goes 6+ months
                                                  7

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                                                  • Martin
                                                    "Assassins"
                                                    • Dec 2001
                                                    • 17274

                                                    #26
                                                    I got a few members around that buy 3 month memberships each time.. I love those horny fuckers..

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                                                    • FlyingIguana
                                                      aspiring banker
                                                      • Mar 2002
                                                      • 10870

                                                      #27
                                                      i like recurring when the site kicks ass. very few sites actually do. i've been killed by some recurring programs before. rebills are amazing and then over a two month period everything goes to shit and you see chargebacks and refunds. it just fucking sucks

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                                                      • Mike AI
                                                        Confirmed User
                                                        • Jan 2001
                                                        • 3624

                                                        #28
                                                        Like investing in the stock market, building a portfolio of sites that you send traffic to is very important. It is importany to choose different types of payouts, a balance between PPS and Rev Share.

                                                        I personally tend to lean towards to PPS, but I do have some Rev Share as part of portfolio.

                                                        Those who think that people do not shave, or play games with Rev Share are.... well let me put it this way, I have some beach front property to sell you in Montana.

                                                        Another issue with Rev Share is you rely upon the program to keep members happy, which takes investment in content, and time.

                                                        Also with the way processors are going, re-billing could dissappear anytime.... Hello DMR? Is phone ringing for IBill?

                                                        So it is important to balance your portfolio, and send traffic to places that can maximize your cash - both short term, and long term.

                                                        Just my I could be wrong....


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                                                        • Martin
                                                          "Assassins"
                                                          • Dec 2001
                                                          • 17274

                                                          #29
                                                          Okay few tips when going recurring...

                                                          If you can push traffic to the monthly membership.. Fuck trials..

                                                          ALWAYS get a pass inside the site.. If the sponsor won't give you one fuck them and move on..

                                                          Exclusive content is best..

                                                          Peace

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                                                          • GTS Mark
                                                            Vrume Mark
                                                            • Jan 2001
                                                            • 20912

                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by Sly_RJ

                                                            Exactly.

                                                            Those who push mainly recurring, are you guys making over $35 per TRIAL? If not, I don't see why you're so happy with recurring.

                                                            Personally, I'd rather get the $35 upfront than have to worry about my trial retaining for 3 months to receive the same check.
                                                            I have a site that I send members to that keep them in excess of 6 months. This is because they have a great deal of content, an interactive changing site and great service.

                                                            At 6 months x $17.97 = $108.82

                                                            That is a hell of a lot better than $35 one time payout.

                                                            DH

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                                                            • Sly_RJ
                                                              Live Hard - Die Hard
                                                              • Feb 2002
                                                              • 17042

                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by Martin
                                                              Okay few tips when going recurring...

                                                              If you can push traffic to the monthly membership.. Fuck trials..

                                                              ALWAYS get a pass inside the site.. If the sponsor won't give you one fuck them and move on..

                                                              Exclusive content is best..

                                                              Peace
                                                              This is true. I think it's important to know and speak with the site owner/operator. You're investing your traffic into a project that you have absolutely no control over. If the operator stops updating the site with good content, you're out money.
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                                                              • Sly_RJ
                                                                Live Hard - Die Hard
                                                                • Feb 2002
                                                                • 17042

                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by DrinkingHard


                                                                I have a site that I send members to that keep them in excess of 6 months. This is because they have a great deal of content, an interactive changing site and great service.

                                                                At 6 months x $17.97 = $108.82

                                                                That is a hell of a lot better than $35 one time payout.

                                                                DH
                                                                Yep, you're absolutely right. You chose a good sponsor. But that certainly isn't your average retention, right? I'm assuming those are a couple of the extreme cases...

                                                                With recurring you have to be a lot more picky than with PPS. When I first started recurring I totally lost my ass because I didn't realize this. Now I have a select list of recurring sponsors that I feel comfortable sending my traffic too.

                                                                Each one of them I know and have spoken with them on various occasions.
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                                                                • GTS Mark
                                                                  Vrume Mark
                                                                  • Jan 2001
                                                                  • 20912

                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by Sly_RJ

                                                                  This is true. I think it's important to know and speak with the site owner/operator. You're investing your traffic into a project that you have absolutely no control over. If the operator stops updating the site with good content, you're out money.
                                                                  I can't believe any of you guys don't pick up the phone or at least contact the site owner via ICQ. Would you invest money in someone you didn't know? Fuck that's just dumb!

                                                                  DH

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                                                                  • GTS Mark
                                                                    Vrume Mark
                                                                    • Jan 2001
                                                                    • 20912

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by Sly_RJ

                                                                    Yep, you're absolutely right. You chose a good sponsor. But that certainly isn't your average retention, right? I'm assuming those are a couple of the extreme cases...

                                                                    With recurring you have to be a lot more picky than with PPS. When I first started recurring I totally lost my ass because I didn't realize this. Now I have a select list of recurring sponsors that I feel comfortable sending my traffic too.

                                                                    Each one of them I know and have spoken with them on various occasions.
                                                                    Nope most of my members stay at least 3 months to 6 months. You can't get content like this anywhere else on the web so that is why they don't leave. Hence better member retention...

                                                                    DH

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                                                                    • Makingcoin
                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                      • Aug 2002
                                                                      • 8919

                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by Martin
                                                                      Okay few tips when going recurring...
                                                                      ALWAYS get a pass inside the site.. If the sponsor won't give you one fuck them and move on..

                                                                      Peace
                                                                      Well said. Some of the best advice I have seen lately. At least they should give you a temp pass to check out the site to see if you think it will recur...

                                                                      If not, they most likely have something to hide. (ie. the site sucks donkey balls)

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                                                                      • -=HUNGRYMAN=-
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                                                                        • Jun 2001
                                                                        • 4751

                                                                        #36
                                                                        Originally posted by Martin
                                                                        I told you to go recurring.. Stop kissing Sleazy ass..
                                                                        I was there ...
                                                                        (Hemingways, May)

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                                                                        • Mike AI
                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                          • Jan 2001
                                                                          • 3624

                                                                          #37
                                                                          have a site that I send members to that keep them in excess of 6 months. This is because they have a great deal of content, an interactive changing site and great service.
                                                                          What site is this? How along ago was it?

                                                                          6 months on a regular basis is UNHEARD of in todays climate. Average is MUCH MUCH lower... and that is on good sites, with great members areas, with exclusive content.

                                                                          I have not experienced any rev share programs that have kept people for a long time. PPS is money in hand.


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                                                                          • Makingcoin
                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                            • Aug 2002
                                                                            • 8919

                                                                            #38
                                                                            Originally posted by Mike AI


                                                                            What site is this? How along ago was it?

                                                                            6 months on a regular basis is UNHEARD of in todays climate. Average is MUCH MUCH lower... and that is on good sites, with great members areas, with exclusive content.

                                                                            I have not experienced any rev share programs that have kept people for a long time. PPS is money in hand.
                                                                            I don't think anyone would share that kind of info.

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                                                                            • twistyneck
                                                                              So Fucking Banned
                                                                              • Jan 2002
                                                                              • 4660

                                                                              #39
                                                                              Originally posted by Mike AI


                                                                              What site is this? How along ago was it?

                                                                              6 months on a regular basis is UNHEARD of in todays climate. Average is MUCH MUCH lower... and that is on good sites, with great members areas, with exclusive content.

                                                                              I have not experienced any rev share programs that have kept people for a long time. PPS is money in hand.
                                                                              Uh, what are you smoking? 6 months is nothing for me, my guys stay forever. Of course I get some that sign up and quit the same day but overall, they tend to stay at least six months. I'd quit this business if my average retention was only a month or two.

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                                                                              • Mike AI
                                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                                • Jan 2001
                                                                                • 3624

                                                                                #40
                                                                                I don't think anyone would share that kind of info.
                                                                                HAHAHA Isn't that what this is? I shill thread for rev sahre programs to brag about how well they keep people, and hence are better then PPS programs?

                                                                                What about programs that offer both rev share and PPS?

                                                                                Rev Share is good, and has its place - but there is a reason that the BIG PLAYERS who trade exit console traffic on HUGE scales do it PPS.....


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                                                                                • GTS Mark
                                                                                  Vrume Mark
                                                                                  • Jan 2001
                                                                                  • 20912

                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  Originally posted by Mike AI


                                                                                  What site is this? How along ago was it?

                                                                                  6 months on a regular basis is UNHEARD of in todays climate. Average is MUCH MUCH lower... and that is on good sites, with great members areas, with exclusive content.

                                                                                  I have not experienced any rev share programs that have kept people for a long time. PPS is money in hand.
                                                                                  Hehe just like out of that movie...

                                                                                  "I'llllllllllllll Neeeeeeeeeeeevvver Teeeeeeeeeelllllll!!!!"



                                                                                  DH

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                                                                                  • Mike AI
                                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                                    • Jan 2001
                                                                                    • 3624

                                                                                    #42
                                                                                    Twisty, what site do you run??

                                                                                    6 months is nothing for me, my guys stay forever.
                                                                                    What do you do, don't put a link for people to cancel? Or do you just keep slamming peoples cards?

                                                                                    Or maybe you have 8 members?


                                                                                    Make big money on your Domains! Why wait 40 days to get paid with the other guys? Parked.com pays the most for your traffic, and cuts checks twice a month!

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                                                                                    • bigdog
                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                      • Jul 2001
                                                                                      • 6964

                                                                                      #43
                                                                                      hey martin and drinkinghard stay quiet dont tell everyone the secrets

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                                                                                      • FlyingIguana
                                                                                        aspiring banker
                                                                                        • Mar 2002
                                                                                        • 10870

                                                                                        #44
                                                                                        Originally posted by DrinkingHard


                                                                                        Hehe just like out of that movie...

                                                                                        "I'llllllllllllll Neeeeeeeeeeeevvver Teeeeeeeeeelllllll!!!!"



                                                                                        DH
                                                                                        someone will get you drunk at the next big show and you'll spit it out

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                                                                                        • Rich
                                                                                          So Fucking Banned
                                                                                          • Jan 2003
                                                                                          • 11486

                                                                                          #45
                                                                                          Originally posted by Sly_RJ

                                                                                          Exactly.

                                                                                          Those who push mainly recurring, are you guys making over $35 per TRIAL? If not, I don't see why you're so happy with recurring.

                                                                                          Personally, I'd rather get the $35 upfront than have to worry about my trial retaining for 3 months to receive the same check.
                                                                                          Short term thinking man, you'll almost always make more with recurring in the long run. It's a lot easier to find a recurring program that doesn't shave than a PPS program that doesn't. By easier, I mean possible.


                                                                                          Originally posted by xxxdesign-net
                                                                                          Well, it depends on the site... if the site looks good but with crappy content and no update... go with PPS....
                                                                                          If a site has crappy content and no updates...go with another site! There are plenty of great exclusive content sites that update regularly to promote.

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                                                                                          • Mike AI
                                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                                            • Jan 2001
                                                                                            • 3624

                                                                                            #46
                                                                                            Hehe just like out of that movie...

                                                                                            Just like out of the OTHER movie....

                                                                                            SHOW ME THE MONEY!

                                                                                            Otherwise its just bullshit....



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                                                                                            • Sly_RJ
                                                                                              Live Hard - Die Hard
                                                                                              • Feb 2002
                                                                                              • 17042

                                                                                              #47
                                                                                              Aside from Drinking Hard, how many of you are making over $35 per trial/member with recurring sites?
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                                                                                              • FlyingIguana
                                                                                                aspiring banker
                                                                                                • Mar 2002
                                                                                                • 10870

                                                                                                #48
                                                                                                Originally posted by Sly_RJ
                                                                                                Aside from Drinking Hard, how many of you are making over $35 per trial/member with recurring sites?
                                                                                                me

                                                                                                some sites do it, most don't.

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                                                                                                • Nasty D
                                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                                  • Dec 2002
                                                                                                  • 2563

                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                  Nice thread fellas, thanks for the useful info. Jace and I wanna get in touch with you soon DH, about using your submit program with our site! Maybe we just need to road trip up and party in Vancouver!


                                                                                                  Pimp Mandy Mayhem, Tabatha Sweet, Kristi Montana and Lexy Lohan @ Hawt Money

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                                                                                                  • Bake
                                                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                                                    • Jan 2001
                                                                                                    • 5919

                                                                                                    #50
                                                                                                    Im still amazed at the number of people who start selling a new site without talking to the owner who dont get a 3 day pass to check the members area out for yourself.
                                                                                                    They just seem to put up links or build galleries and hope for the best. Then when things dont work out they come here and dish the sponsor.
                                                                                                    Last edited by Bake; 01-25-2003, 03:45 PM.
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