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Old 10-24-2003, 04:05 PM  
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http://www.fr.com/ <- Fish and Richardon

http://www.fr.com/about/directions.cfm?child=addresses <- contacts

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In general I support the sentiment of banding together and fighting this. Many have suggested it. Choker can be our George Washington and lead us to action.


A few thoughts:

1. if I were an independant business owner, and not incorporated, I think I could sue anybody for anything about my business. Maybe I might go down to the courthouse and file a pro se lawsuit against acacia for extortion

2. it seems to me if I did #1 then organizations like EFF, EPIC, Fight the Patent, IMPAI would support me

3. There is a legal concept of suing for declaratory relief, bringing an issue before a judge before you are sued, and ask him him to determine

4. ACACIA is supposed to have $50Million dollars in cash. That will pay for a lot of attorneys

5. As fucked up as the courts are, they are objective, and a groundswell of public sympathy will emerge for independant business folks fighting this - if you are a small unincorporated business owner, don't be afraid! You can be a patriot and take matters into your own hands

6. Corporations HAVE to hire attorneys to fight these things

7. My strategy recommendation would be to get someone like Carreon or Roberts or F&R to organize an initial strike against Acacia, then let it turn a patent issue later.

To support point 7 - Acacia seems to be making assertions that are not proven in a court of law - that's not illegal, but it may leave them open to damage in some states, especially liberal california where I believe they reside.

Choker - ICQ me 336189731 please.
Awesome post, good info here. But does anyone know the specific attorney that handled Holio's case? It would be best to have the same team/guy. Your post has great advice and it says what I am trying to tell people, ......... we HAVE to be proactive. The longer we wait to do something the more it will cost and the more uncertain the outcome will be.

This ain't no fucking game people. If you have a free site of any kind, whether you link to other sites with videos or not, you will get the letter. And history has proved that after the letter comes the lawsuit. And here's a fucking wake up call for you guys sleeping.

If Acacia says you are in violation, YOU ARE. It is up to you to prove them wrong. Not up to them to prove you are. Keep your head burried in the sand and watch your sites go 404 soon.

There are a ton of us, thousands. If each webmaster here can't pull $100 out of his ass then WTF.

Guys getting this letter and doing nothing about it, thinking ACACIA has to prove they are in violation are in for a rude awakening. It does not work that way.
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