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  • KRL
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    • Oct 2002
    • 31429
    #1

    A legal point everyone should be aware of.

    Unless a legal document is sent to you by certified mail or some other form where you are signing for it, or you are legally served official court documents by either a sheriff or a server service, it is a letter and nothing more.

    They can not walk into a courtroom down the road and say we served this notice on this individual by regular mail. It just doesn't work that way.

    They have to have proof of receipt. Without that it is mute for evidentiary purposes.
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        • Spunky
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          • Jun 2002
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          #3
          Very true...write not at this address and wipe your ass with it and return to sender

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            • IntenseCash
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              • Apr 2003
              • 2421
              #4
              Originally posted by KRL
              Unless a legal document is sent to you by certified mail or some other form where you are signing for it, or you are legally served official court documents by either a sheriff or a server service, it is a letter and nothing more.

              They can not walk into a courtroom down the road and say we served this notice on this individual by regular mail. It just doesn't work that way.

              They have to have proof of receipt. Without that it is mute for evidentiary purposes.
              exactly. As of yet Acacia has nothing, until an official certified letter has been sent to you.
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                • freeadultcontent
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                  • Oct 2002
                  • 9976
                  #5
                  Originally posted by KRL
                  Unless a legal document is sent to you by certified mail or some other form where you are signing for it, or you are legally served official court documents by either a sheriff or a server service, it is a letter and nothing more.

                  They can not walk into a courtroom down the road and say we served this notice on this individual by regular mail. It just doesn't work that way.

                  They have to have proof of receipt. Without that it is mute for evidentiary purposes.
                  Check your state laws everyone. This is not always the case. A sworm affadavit signed by a 3rd party or ussually a clerk stating that the letter was indeed mailed to the address listed is often legal grounds for proof of delivery, even if it was not certified.

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                    • MakeMeGrrrrowl
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                      • Oct 2002
                      • 4984
                      #6
                      Hey there KRL =)

                      One of my girls just called me and funny thing is, she works for me....doesn't even OWN a domain, nice research dept they have there. She has only ever bought content from ONE provider which I am sure is how they are getting our information.

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                        • KRL
                          Entrepreneur
                          • Oct 2002
                          • 31429
                          #7
                          It also amazes me how many people post here that they can't afford to have an attorney handle things.

                          What the fuck.

                          If you can't afford an attorney, DO NOT go into business, especially the adult entertainment business.

                          Most of you are young in here. Trust me on this, I guarantee you will need attorneys in the course of your business careers, because it is virtually impossible to run a business and never get sued by somebody or have a situation arise where you have to sue somebody.

                          Attorneys are expensive. Some of the ones I use charge $395 an hour, but its worth every penny in the long run because your legal matters will have the greatest chance of going in your favor if you employ top professionals who know all the strategies and maneuvers to crush opponents in a court room.

                          Find a way if you have to beg, borrow or steal, but make sure you have an attorney always.
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                            • MetaformX
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                              • Mar 2002
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                              #8
                              Good point KRL. One everyone should take notice of

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                                • KRL
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                                  • Oct 2002
                                  • 31429
                                  #9
                                  Originally posted by MakeMeGrrrrowl
                                  Hey there KRL =)

                                  One of my girls just called me and funny thing is, she works for me....doesn't even OWN a domain, nice research dept they have there. She has only ever bought content from ONE provider which I am sure is how they are getting our information.
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                                    • KRL
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                                      • Oct 2002
                                      • 31429
                                      #10
                                      Originally posted by freeadultcontent


                                      Check your state laws everyone. This is not always the case. A sworm affadavit signed by a 3rd party or ussually a clerk stating that the letter was indeed mailed to the address listed is often legal grounds for proof of delivery, even if it was not certified.
                                      Yeh tell that to the judge. My attorneys would tear that a new asshole.
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                                        • Theo
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                                          • May 2001
                                          • 34515
                                          #11
                                          Originally posted by MakeMeGrrrrowl
                                          Hey there KRL =)

                                          One of my girls just called me and funny thing is, she works for me....doesn't even OWN a domain, nice research dept they have there. She has only ever bought content from ONE provider which I am sure is how they are getting our information.
                                          still have your pic as background!

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                                            • KRL
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                                              • Oct 2002
                                              • 31429
                                              #12
                                              Originally posted by Soul_Rebel


                                              still have your pic as background!
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                                                • kenny
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                                                  • Mar 2002
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                                                  #13
                                                  I threw my Acacia Media technology letter away.
                                                  7

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                                                    • freeadultcontent
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                                                      • Oct 2002
                                                      • 9976
                                                      #14
                                                      Originally posted by KRL


                                                      Yeh tell that to the judge. My attorneys would tear that a new asshole.
                                                      Just a state by state rule man. Every attorney must play by a given states rules. Not saying these letters themselves have any real grounds aside from a quick scare and warning shot. Just saying check your own states laws on the matter is all.

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                                                        • Mr.Fiction
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                                                          • Feb 2002
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                                                          #15
                                                          Originally posted by KRL


                                                          If you can't afford an attorney, DO NOT go into business, especially the adult entertainment business.
                                                          If people can't afford a lawyer, what are they going to do when the Justice Department comes knocking?

                                                          Acacia can't put you in jail.
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                                                            • doober
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                                                              • Jul 2003
                                                              • 6984
                                                              #16
                                                              Originally posted by freeadultcontent


                                                              Check your state laws everyone. This is not always the case. A sworm affadavit signed by a 3rd party or ussually a clerk stating that the letter was indeed mailed to the address listed is often legal grounds for proof of delivery, even if it was not certified.

                                                              thats some funny stuff lol

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                                                                • fiveyes
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                                                                  • Aug 2001
                                                                  • 1680
                                                                  #17
                                                                  Originally posted by freeadultcontent


                                                                  Check your state laws everyone. This is not always the case. A sworm affadavit signed by a 3rd party or ussually a clerk stating that the letter was indeed mailed to the address listed is often legal grounds for proof of delivery, even if it was not certified.
                                                                  State laws don't enter into the picture in federal civil cases. That's covered entirely within Federal Rules of Civil Procedure. http://www.law.cornell.edu/rules/frcp/#chapter_ii
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                                                                    • freeadultcontent
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                                                                      #18
                                                                      Originally posted by fiveyes

                                                                      State laws don't enter into the picture in federal civil cases. That's covered entirely within Federal Rules of Civil Procedure. http://www.law.cornell.edu/rules/frcp/#chapter_ii
                                                                      Willing to admit if I am wrong, forgot about it being federal civil procedure which has its own set of rules that are even different that state by state ones.

                                                                      Question http://www.law.cornell.edu/rules/frcp/Rule5.htm What am I missing, I do not see the word certified letter anywhere, please point me to it.

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                                                                        • WendyB
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                                                                          • Oct 2002
                                                                          • 538
                                                                          #19
                                                                          Originally posted by KRL
                                                                          It also amazes me how many people post here that they can't afford to have an attorney handle things.

                                                                          What the fuck.

                                                                          If you can't afford an attorney, DO NOT go into business, especially the adult entertainment business.

                                                                          Most of you are young in here. Trust me on this, I guarantee you will need attorneys in the course of your business careers, because it is virtually impossible to run a business and never get sued by somebody or have a situation arise where you have to sue somebody.

                                                                          Attorneys are expensive. Some of the ones I use charge $395 an hour, but its worth every penny in the long run because your legal matters will have the greatest chance of going in your favor if you employ top professionals who know all the strategies and maneuvers to crush opponents in a court room.

                                                                          Find a way if you have to beg, borrow or steal, but make sure you have an attorney always.
                                                                          I agree with you. your original information regarding proof of service is a good general starting point, additionally some courts have their onique flavor and requirements.

                                                                          The Clerks office for each court will also provide you the information for their court.
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                                                                            • Theo
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                                                                              • May 2001
                                                                              • 34515
                                                                              #20
                                                                              Originally posted by KRL


                                                                              Shannon rocks!


                                                                              yeap,she does

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                                                                                • MakeMeGrrrrowl
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                                                                                  • Oct 2002
                                                                                  • 4984
                                                                                  #21
                                                                                  Originally posted by Soul_Rebel


                                                                                  still have your pic as background!
                                                                                  awww I see you're still a sweetheart!!

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                                                                                    • MakeMeGrrrrowl
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                                                                                      • Oct 2002
                                                                                      • 4984
                                                                                      #22
                                                                                      Originally posted by KRL


                                                                                      Shannon rocks!
                                                                                      *MwaH* thank you!!

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                                                                                        • Trax
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                                                                                          • Aug 2001
                                                                                          • 14486
                                                                                          #23
                                                                                          Originally posted by KRL
                                                                                          It also amazes me how many people post here that they can't afford to have an attorney handle things.

                                                                                          What the fuck.

                                                                                          If you can't afford an attorney, DO NOT go into business, especially the adult entertainment business.

                                                                                          Most of you are young in here. Trust me on this, I guarantee you will need attorneys in the course of your business careers, because it is virtually impossible to run a business and never get sued by somebody or have a situation arise where you have to sue somebody.

                                                                                          Attorneys are expensive. Some of the ones I use charge $395 an hour, but its worth every penny in the long run because your legal matters will have the greatest chance of going in your favor if you employ top professionals who know all the strategies and maneuvers to crush opponents in a court room.

                                                                                          Find a way if you have to beg, borrow or steal, but make sure you have an attorney always.

                                                                                          hehe
                                                                                          indeed dude
                                                                                          our lawyer charges 570? per hour.
                                                                                          he is the best fucking law dude in a range of 450km.

                                                                                          my family is currenlty in some heavy inheritance fight.
                                                                                          were fighting for more than 3 years now...
                                                                                          his fees should be up to 300.000? up to now
                                                                                          but he is fucking worth every penny... and he agreed to get nothing (and refund everything we paid up to now) if we should lose

                                                                                          a top notch lawyer can save your ass big time and get you what you deserve
                                                                                          being a cheap pussy is not the way to go...

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                                                                                            • fiveyes
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                                                                                              • Aug 2001
                                                                                              • 1680
                                                                                              #24
                                                                                              Originally posted by freeadultcontent


                                                                                              Willing to admit if I am wrong, forgot about it being federal civil procedure which has its own set of rules that are even different that state by state ones.

                                                                                              Question http://www.law.cornell.edu/rules/frcp/Rule5.htm What am I missing, I do not see the word certified letter anywhere, please point me to it.
                                                                                              That's because two of you are wrong in this thread.

                                                                                              Rule 5 (b) (2) (B) Mailing a copy to the last known address of the person served. Service by mail is complete on mailing.

                                                                                              That means, as soon as it hits the mail box at their end, you're considered to have been served. It's written that way because otherwise it would be easy to avoid service by simply refusing delivery of it.
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                                                                                                • Tala
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                                                                                                  • Dec 2002
                                                                                                  • 23368
                                                                                                  #25
                                                                                                  Originally posted by fiveyes

                                                                                                  That's because two of you are wrong in this thread.

                                                                                                  Rule 5 (b) (2) (B) Mailing a copy to the last known address of the person served. Service by mail is complete on mailing.

                                                                                                  That means, as soon as it hits the mail box at their end, you're considered to have been served. It's written that way because otherwise it would be easy to avoid service by simply refusing delivery of it.
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                                                                                                    • Bladewire
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                                                                                                      • Aug 2003
                                                                                                      • 56220
                                                                                                      #26
                                                                                                      Originally posted by fiveyes

                                                                                                      That's because two of you are wrong in this thread.

                                                                                                      Rule 5 (b) (2) (B) Mailing a copy to the last known address of the person served. Service by mail is complete on mailing.

                                                                                                      That means, as soon as it hits the mail box at their end, you're considered to have been served. It's written that way because otherwise it would be easy to avoid service by simply refusing delivery of it.
                                                                                                      A lawyers advice on this should be added to this thread.

                                                                                                      I know in California.. regarding a case I was in .. a processor server had to deliver it.


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                                                                                                        • Choker
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                                                                                                          • Apr 2001
                                                                                                          • 9024
                                                                                                          #27
                                                                                                          Sorry dude you are so wrong. In florida a hearing notice by regular old US mail is fine. When the hearing starts if the respondant is not there, the judge asks the attorney if the respondent was given notice. the attorney answers and the judge does not ask for proof of it. Been there done that MANY MANY times.
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                                                                                                            • scoreman
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                                                                                                              #28
                                                                                                              Originally posted by KRL
                                                                                                              It also amazes me how many people post here that they can't afford to have an attorney handle things.

                                                                                                              What the fuck.

                                                                                                              If you can't afford an attorney, DO NOT go into business, especially the adult entertainment business.

                                                                                                              Most of you are young in here. Trust me on this, I guarantee you will need attorneys in the course of your business careers, because it is virtually impossible to run a business and never get sued by somebody or have a situation arise where you have to sue somebody.

                                                                                                              Attorneys are expensive. Some of the ones I use charge $395 an hour, but its worth every penny in the long run because your legal matters will have the greatest chance of going in your favor if you employ top professionals who know all the strategies and maneuvers to crush opponents in a court room.

                                                                                                              Find a way if you have to beg, borrow or steal, but make sure you have an attorney always.
                                                                                                              No better advice was ever given on GFY than this.

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                                                                                                                • Bladewire
                                                                                                                  StraightBro
                                                                                                                  • Aug 2003
                                                                                                                  • 56220
                                                                                                                  #29
                                                                                                                  Originally posted by Choker
                                                                                                                  Sorry dude you are so wrong. In florida a hearing notice by regular old US mail is fine. When the hearing starts if the respondant is not there, the judge asks the attorney if the respondent was given notice. the attorney answers and the judge does not ask for proof of it. Been there done that MANY MANY times.
                                                                                                                  A lawyers advice on this should be added to this thread. GFY is not a place for legal advice.

                                                                                                                  Nobody is receiving hearing notices yet are they?


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                                                                                                                    • EvilFubAr
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                                                                                                                      • May 2003
                                                                                                                      • 1141
                                                                                                                      #30
                                                                                                                      They are just trying to scare everyone into paying before they loose the right to sue you.

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                                                                                                                        • TheSaint
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                                                                                                                          • Jun 2003
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                                                                                                                          #31
                                                                                                                          Most of the lawyers I have dealt with over the years were too dull witted to even explain the problem to, much less do anything about it.

                                                                                                                          Its not a question of being cheap. If you don't understand precisely the legal basis of what you are doing, you shouldn't be doing it.

                                                                                                                          I just closed on a mainstream business. I downloaded a contract off the net for a model, and typed up 25 pages.

                                                                                                                          The whole time my wife kept bugging me that I really should have an attorney for the contract and I eventually caved in.

                                                                                                                          I gave the guy $300 for a one hour review of the contract, a total waste of money. Not one creative idea or correction escaped his lips, except for telling me who to make the check out to.

                                                                                                                          In general you are better off without attorneys in many situations.
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                                                                                                                            • fiveyes
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                                                                                                                              #32
                                                                                                                              Originally posted by Tala
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                                                                                                                                • KRL
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                                                                                                                                  • Oct 2002
                                                                                                                                  • 31429
                                                                                                                                  #33
                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by Mr.Fiction


                                                                                                                                  If people can't afford a lawyer, what are they going to do when the Justice Department comes knocking?

                                                                                                                                  Acacia can't put you in jail.
                                                                                                                                  In criminal cases, if a defendent can not afford a lawyer the court will appoint a public defender to represent them.

                                                                                                                                  Sometimes the public defenders are good because they do it day in and day out.
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                                                                                                                                    • KRL
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                                                                                                                                      • Oct 2002
                                                                                                                                      • 31429
                                                                                                                                      #34
                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by Choker
                                                                                                                                      Sorry dude you are so wrong. In florida a hearing notice by regular old US mail is fine. When the hearing starts if the respondant is not there, the judge asks the attorney if the respondent was given notice. the attorney answers and the judge does not ask for proof of it. Been there done that MANY MANY times.
                                                                                                                                      An official court document is not the same as a corporation sending you notices.
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                                                                                                                                        • Tala
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                                                                                                                                          • Dec 2002
                                                                                                                                          • 23368
                                                                                                                                          #35
                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by fiveyes

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                                                                                                                                            • goBigtime
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                                                                                                                                              #36
                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by KRL


                                                                                                                                              Find a way if you have to beg, borrow or steal, but make sure you have an attorney always.

                                                                                                                                              The same goes for accountants. "TurboTax" is not your friend.

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                                                                                                                                                • Choker
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                                                                                                                                                  • Apr 2001
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                                                                                                                                                  #37
                                                                                                                                                  A hearing notice is a court document once the clerk stamps it. I don't want to argue with you dude. I have been thru this many times. A common tactic in court is lawyers mailing out notice of hearings just a few days before the hearing, so the other party has little time to prepare. They can move to have a stay based on not enough time to prepare, but they still have to show up in court or risk a default judgement.

                                                                                                                                                  The letter Acacia sends is not a court document, I never said it was. But when acacia files the lawsuit and sends the stamped notice of lawsuit, do they have to have that served? Not sure, all I know is that a notice of hearing during a lawsuit does not in Florida. Maybe the initial notice of lawsuit does. Probably.
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                                                                                                                                                    • sexeducation
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                                                                                                                                                      • 7315
                                                                                                                                                      #38
                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by KRL
                                                                                                                                                      It also amazes me how many people post here that they can't afford to have an attorney handle things.

                                                                                                                                                      What the fuck.

                                                                                                                                                      If you can't afford an attorney, DO NOT go into business, especially the adult entertainment business.

                                                                                                                                                      Most of you are young in here. Trust me on this, I guarantee you will need attorneys in the course of your business careers, because it is virtually impossible to run a business and never get sued by somebody or have a situation arise where you have to sue somebody.

                                                                                                                                                      Attorneys are expensive. Some of the ones I use charge $395 an hour, but its worth every penny in the long run because your legal matters will have the greatest chance of going in your favor if you employ top professionals who know all the strategies and maneuvers to crush opponents in a court room.

                                                                                                                                                      Find a way if you have to beg, borrow or steal, but make sure you have an attorney always.
                                                                                                                                                      I don't have money for an attorney nor do I need one.
                                                                                                                                                      I guess I'm an exceptional case ... ; )
                                                                                                                                                      (an exception to the case ..double wink)

                                                                                                                                                      I didn't know what you posted ...
                                                                                                                                                      and as others have agreed ...
                                                                                                                                                      I will remember this
                                                                                                                                                      interesting

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                                                                                                                                                        • KRL
                                                                                                                                                          Entrepreneur
                                                                                                                                                          • Oct 2002
                                                                                                                                                          • 31429
                                                                                                                                                          #39
                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by Choker
                                                                                                                                                          A hearing notice is a court document once the clerk stamps it. I don't want to argue with you dude. I have been thru this many times. A common tactic in court is lawyers mailing out notice of hearings just a few days before the hearing, so the other party has little time to prepare. They can move to have a stay based on not enough time to prepare, but they still have to show up in court or risk a default judgement.

                                                                                                                                                          The letter Acacia sends is not a court document, I never said it was. But when acacia files the lawsuit and sends the stamped notice of lawsuit, do they have to have that served? Not sure, all I know is that a notice of hearing during a lawsuit does not in Florida. Maybe the initial notice of lawsuit does. Probably.
                                                                                                                                                          I think we're referring to two different things. I'm talking about officially serving someone for a lawsuit. That has to be done by either a sheriff, marshall or a process server. But you can't just mail that to someone.
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                                                                                                                                                            • KRL
                                                                                                                                                              Entrepreneur
                                                                                                                                                              • Oct 2002
                                                                                                                                                              • 31429
                                                                                                                                                              #40
                                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by Choker
                                                                                                                                                              A hearing notice is a court document once the clerk stamps it. I don't want to argue with you dude. I have been thru this many times. A common tactic in court is lawyers mailing out notice of hearings just a few days before the hearing, so the other party has little time to prepare. They can move to have a stay based on not enough time to prepare, but they still have to show up in court or risk a default judgement.

                                                                                                                                                              The letter Acacia sends is not a court document, I never said it was. But when acacia files the lawsuit and sends the stamped notice of lawsuit, do they have to have that served? Not sure, all I know is that a notice of hearing during a lawsuit does not in Florida. Maybe the initial notice of lawsuit does. Probably.
                                                                                                                                                              Correct once officially served then notices are usually delivered to the parties and their attorneys by mail.
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                                                                                                                                                                • Scootermuze
                                                                                                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                  • Dec 2001
                                                                                                                                                                  • 4513
                                                                                                                                                                  #41
                                                                                                                                                                  The letters.. packages.. whatever.. are not meant to come across as an official document..

                                                                                                                                                                  It is merely a proposal..

                                                                                                                                                                  The contract included doesn't have to be adhered to completely (if you wish to play their game)..

                                                                                                                                                                  That was their proposal.. now go through the contract and cross out what you disagree with and return it as your counter offer..

                                                                                                                                                                  This is what the others have done who decided to pay..

                                                                                                                                                                  Right now, Acacia will probably take any offer that makes them money.. Cross out the part about giving names of affiliates/customers/yada yada.. cross out anything not directly related to the money they want.. and even include an amount that you're willing to pay..

                                                                                                                                                                  This opens up a dialog between the two parties.. haggle back and forth for awhile and if both parties agree, then all is done.. if one or the other party can't agree, then it can go to the suit.

                                                                                                                                                                  Most civil suits are settled out of court.. This is no different..

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                                                                                                                                                                    • BRISK
                                                                                                                                                                      Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                                                                      • Feb 2003
                                                                                                                                                                      • 12240
                                                                                                                                                                      #42
                                                                                                                                                                      What does the law say about sueing international companies? What would Acacia have to do to sue a company in Europe, Asia, etc...?
                                                                                                                                                                      I post on GFY so that when people ask me what I do,
                                                                                                                                                                      I can tell them that I work with the mentally retarded.

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                                                                                                                                                                        • BRISK
                                                                                                                                                                          Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                                                                          • Feb 2003
                                                                                                                                                                          • 12240
                                                                                                                                                                          #43
                                                                                                                                                                          ?
                                                                                                                                                                          I post on GFY so that when people ask me what I do,
                                                                                                                                                                          I can tell them that I work with the mentally retarded.

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                                                                                                                                                                            • brand0n
                                                                                                                                                                              been very busy
                                                                                                                                                                              • Nov 2002
                                                                                                                                                                              • 26983
                                                                                                                                                                              #44
                                                                                                                                                                              this is why an officer brings u divorce papers
                                                                                                                                                                              want to buy this spot for cheap? it is of course for sale. long term deals are always the best bet. brand0n/ at/ a o l dot commies.

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                                                                                                                                                                                • Theo
                                                                                                                                                                                  HAL 9000
                                                                                                                                                                                  • May 2001
                                                                                                                                                                                  • 34515
                                                                                                                                                                                  #45
                                                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by BRISK
                                                                                                                                                                                  What does the law say about sueing international companies? What would Acacia have to do to sue a company in Europe, Asia, etc...?
                                                                                                                                                                                  they have translated their patents near everywhere,but this doesnt mean much things. I believe Acacia will attempt to reach EU only if they have established them across the states. Of course only time will tell.

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