Affiliate Fraud

**notjoe** · 01-18-2003, 10:29 AM

Originally posted by NetRodent
Damnit! It is just me or does credit card fraud by affiliates seem to be on the upswing lately? This last pay cycle we had to terminate 17 affiliates for sending bogus signups. Cheating bastards!!!

What do you mean by bogus signups?

**p1mpdogg** · 01-18-2003, 10:30 AM

would you mind posting who they were or sending them to me in email? [email protected]

thanks

**Rocky** · 01-18-2003, 10:32 AM

i resent that generalization

yours,

jeffrey e bogus

**G Sharp** · 01-18-2003, 10:33 AM

Originally posted by NetRodent
Damnit! It is just me or does credit card fraud by affiliates seem to be on the upswing lately? This last pay cycle we had to terminate 17 affiliates for sending bogus signups. Cheating bastards!!!

Hmmmm... your processor failed to scrub them?

**Pipecrew** · 01-18-2003, 10:37 AM

sounds like an "easy" way to term affiliates and not pay them to me

**NetRodent** · 01-18-2003, 10:56 AM

We would love to pay them (and have them send more traffic) if it was worth something. You can't stay in business burning bridges.

Here's the info on from one of the affiliates and I'll let you guys make up your mind if they're cheating us or we just don't want to pay them.

Over a 2 week period, the affiliate in question sent an average of about 5K raw and 4K unique hits per day through the first part of our tracking script. This generated about 1 or 2 signups per day. Somedays were 0 and some days there were as many as 4. The only days that our covers were loaded were when there were signups and coincidentally there were the same number of hits as signups. The hits were sent from a wide variety of isps and countries, however alll of the signups came from AOL ip addresses. The info we track about the members (email address, name, etc.) was entered in caps for all of the signups. Aside from the first signup (in the previous pay period) none of these signups ever logged into the site they joined, and none of them contacted customer support. Also, four of the five signups that this affiliate generated in the previous pay period were either refunded or charged back.

**NetRodent** · 01-18-2003, 11:00 AM

Originally posted by p1mpdogg
would you mind posting who they were or sending them to me in email? [email protected]

thanks

We don't like posting specifics about our dirty laundry. As entertaining as threads like that are, they aren't right. As far as I know none of these people were regular posters here, they seem to be card-traders not webmasters.

**psyko514** · 01-18-2003, 11:05 AM

netrodent... i think he wants to know to check if they're abusing his affiliate program too.

**EscortBiz** · 01-18-2003, 11:11 AM

Originally posted by NetRodent
We would love to pay them (and have them send more traffic) if it was worth something. You can't stay in business burning bridges.

Here's the info on from one of the affiliates and I'll let you guys make up your mind if they're cheating us or we just don't want to pay them.

Over a 2 week period, the affiliate in question sent an average of about 5K raw and 4K unique hits per day through the first part of our tracking script. This generated about 1 or 2 signups per day. Somedays were 0 and some days there were as many as 4. The only days that our covers were loaded were when there were signups and coincidentally there were the same number of hits as signups. The hits were sent from a wide variety of isps and countries, however alll of the signups came from AOL ip addresses. The info we track about the members (email address, name, etc.) was entered in caps for all of the signups. Aside from the first signup (in the previous pay period) none of these signups ever logged into the site they joined, and none of them contacted customer support. Also, four of the five signups that this affiliate generated in the previous pay period were either refunded or charged back.

Please ICQ me ASAP

**p1mpdogg** · 01-18-2003, 11:19 AM

Originally posted by psyko514
netrodent... i think he wants to know to check if they're abusing his affiliate program too.

thats exactly what i wanted.

**Diamond Jim** · 01-18-2003, 12:41 PM

Wait until you get the ones that admit to the fraud but ask if they can get paid anyway because they are very poor....

**FreeNetPass Dave** · 01-18-2003, 03:16 PM

NetRodent - shoot me an email - [email protected]

**EscortBiz** · 01-18-2003, 03:23 PM

why did you post if you dont want to give more details or ICQ for a second?

**NetRodent** · 01-18-2003, 04:00 PM

I posted mainly because I felt like bitching. Had I wanted yo "out" cheaters I would have included their particulars in my original post. While most of these cases were rather egregious, we would like to give the terminated affiliates a chance to respond. Most of the emails were just sent out on friday.

We've spent a fair amount of time talking internally about how to handle cheaters. On one hand we know that by shaing info about cheaters, we could reduce the amount of fraud that the industry experiences. However, at the same time we are hesitant to do so because the potential to falsely smear someone's reputation.

If we're wrong about any of these terminations (and I don't see any way we could be), they can be restored with no ill effects beyond a delayed check. If I release their particulars on the board, that damage cannot be undone.

**Pornkings** · 01-18-2003, 04:03 PM

Originally posted by Diamond Jim
Wait until you get the ones that admit to the fraud but ask if they can get paid anyway because they are very poor....

LOL

whats up Diamond Jim?

Yea there are some very clever fraudulant webmasters out there and they have many programs to go thru. thats part of the game.

**Diamond Jim** · 01-18-2003, 04:12 PM

Sup, Roger...sent you some signups the other day...don't know if ya noticed, playa...

My other favorite is

"but i only use fake card on half of joins...other half was real traffic mix in...why i no get pay for real signups?"

**Pornkings** · 01-18-2003, 04:16 PM

Originally posted by Diamond Jim
Sup, Roger...sent you some signups the other day...don't know if ya noticed, playa...

My other favorite is

"but i only use fake card on half of joins...other half was real traffic mix in...why i no get pay for real signups?"

Thanks lets talk next week so I can recipricate some luv.

I'm going to redo our exits very soon so lets trade.

I missed you at the show I think I cought a glimpz of you for a minute then you gone. But I did see a few ladies with you Playa

**Diamond Jim** · 01-18-2003, 05:22 PM

Only lady allowed near me is my wife, Rog...chicks don't dig me anyway...

In case people don't wanna believe Roger converts (cuz he's a relentless board spammer...lol)

**Pornkings** · 01-18-2003, 06:24 PM

Originally posted by Diamond Jim
Only lady allowed near me is my wife, Rog...chicks don't dig me anyway...

In case people don't wanna believe Roger converts (cuz he's a relentless board spammer...lol)

thanks I'm only here to make people more money. Like I've said before.

email me your acount lets make it even better.

Thanks for posting your stats most of the webmasters don't do it when there doing well. only when they are doing bad

Our program is hot and this goes to show we don't get ranked high on statistician for paying them and most of the top sponsors and webmasters promote us because of the great conversions.
great conversions= more sales= mo money

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