She is asking for $150 an hour for a soft core (no toys) solo photo shoot.
She has sent a few emails stating that she won't do much else. And if she did a video it would only be with her boyfriend......
Please let me know what you think
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She is asking for $150 an hour for a soft core (no toys) solo photo shoot.
She has sent a few emails stating that she won't do much else. And if she did a video it would only be with her boyfriend......
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Give yourself a rough guess at about how much you could make off of her content. Shoot for an hour or two and see if she sells.. if she does.. call her back in for more..
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I'd fuck her for a dollar..............Comment
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Tell the model how much you'll pay. Don't let her dictate to you what you're going to pay her. Tell her, "here's what you'll be paid... take it or leave it" but say it in a nice way so that it doesn't become a challenge.
I usually get by the "no toys" rule by telling them they're an actress filling a part and that toys aren't much bigger than the tampons they put inside themselves every month. That works about 90% of the time.Comment
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she's not good looking enough to be so picky
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she's cute, looks like one of the girls from OMP, there are tons of them on there who say they don't do toys, just softcore nudes.
is she worth $150 an hour? depends on what you can do with the content u get on her. It's high for just softcore but a fair amount of the girls on WantonGirls get that much. But their shoots are pre-sold. I don't think I'd hire a girl for that much $$$ under any other situation. She's not that special.
i'm told glamour softcore models get $500 a day, i'm talking about top quality girls, not girls who are sending out emails and listing themselves on OMP.
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That's the most insane/sick/load of crap thing I've heard all day.Originally posted by DonovanPhillips
I usually get by the "no toys" rule by telling them they're an actress filling a part and that toys aren't much bigger than the tampons they put inside themselves every month. That works about 90% of the time.One thing, I forgot this last detail: the Biz Markie will always prevail.Comment
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Assuming the quality was excellent,
Do you think her pics would sell well even though its "soft core"
I don't have any naked pics of her. sorryComment
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I usually get by the "no toys" rule by telling them to pretend its a thick turd with chunks of peanut in it. That often gets them to do what I need.Comment
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Thanks Pr0,Originally posted by pr0
she's not good looking enough to be so picky
I was thinking the same thing.
I was about to ask her how she felt about getting a pee- soup enema and blasting it out of a moving car on to a group of old people waiting for the bus.
but then I decided to post her up here and see what you guys think.
and I did find some more pics of her in an old e-mail
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people are telling me that there is a market for softcore but i don't see it. mystery to me.
how softcore are you talking?
it goes like this
softcore - she's all nude but no focus on spread legs
then u move up to all nude with spread legs ok but no spreading of the lips to show pink
then there's toys or finger insertion
and like i commented in another post here, twice in the last two weeks i've caught girls who we were told do NO penetration whatsoever on other sites - one girl was taking a load of cum in her eye, the other was sucking cock and getting fucked. These girls are all over the map. I guess it depends on who the photographer is, maybe what's going in their own lives ....... but the lines they seem to draw for 'limits' are all over the place.
you could hire this girl and by the end of the shoot she might do a hardcore scene for you, ya never know. I bet there are some shooters who are masters at this.I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!Comment
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shoot her for one hour...for the $150..if your not happy with the results, follow her home & post the pics on every single telephone pole for a 3 sq block radiusOriginally posted by Sassyass
Thanks Pr0,
I was thinking the same thing.
I was about to ask her how she felt about getting a pee- soup enema and blasting it out of a moving car on to a group of old people waiting for the bus.
but then I decided to post her up here and see what you guys think.
and I did find some more pics of her in an old e-mail
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$150 an hour for softcore? Bahahahaha
She must be smoking crack! You too if you pay her that for a softcore shoot.Comment
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How long do you plan on shooting her? As was mentioned, there is no real such thing as a global too much or too little price. It depends on who you are, what you can do and your situation.
I have some girls lined up that only do 1/2 or full day shoots at $500 to $1000+.
I wanted to point out that girls like you mention probably are asking for more because they have experience and are not 'ad girls'. Sometimes, paying a little more for a girl who can work the camera is worth it. I like as little hassle and time as possible. I want to do the shoot and move fucking on to the next task.
Let us say you shoot that girl for 2 hours (enough time to get a good amount of pics in, even in different outfits). That would be $300 which is peanuts.
If you do good work and sell the set off at $30, you just need 10 sales in your life to get your capital back. Also, you could use it for making your own sites and so on.
I guess all this rambling comes down to only YOU can answer the question of how much is too much.
I am going to do a shoot with one girl in a bit and I would give her $2000 for the day because I know "MOGUL" (me) will make it back. She will run about $1000 for the day, no hardcore. (Perhaps a little g/g action though
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Tits look a bit small to me. Get her to do some fucking on camera with her boyfriend. As soon as she dumps her boyfriend you have yourself an instant porn star.TEEN CASH - EXCLUSIVE TEEN NICHE REALITY SITES
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What happens the other 10% of the time, they kick you in the nuts and leave?Originally posted by DonovanPhillips
I usually get by the "no toys" rule by telling them they're an actress filling a part and that toys aren't much bigger than the tampons they put inside themselves every month. That works about 90% of the time.Comment
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I wanted to point out that when "I" say softcore, I mean anything up to g/g and b/g and toy scenes.
So, that means spread, close ups, blah blah.
I don't consider toys hardcore, more mediumcore
Also, do NOT let a girl/guy dictate their fucking rates to you unless they are known and you are not.
If she says $150, come back with $100, especially if you plan to shoot for more than 1-2 hours.
Take it or fucking leave it. Now, if she was your 'crown jewel' and she will sell like tic tacs to ethiopians, then pay her.
If you look on model sites, most girls try to post their rates. Just tell em the job pays $x for x hours or $x for 1/2 day, etc..
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dont do it, the price for girls way hotter then her that will do way more solo
fuck stuck up bitches, she will find out, I always tell chics you are getting older and older make money now because most guys dont pay for saggy ass and breast and and as old bitches noone will treat them
a girl thats stuck up deserves no respect at all
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well since this is turning into a picture posting thread, here's a new model we're going to shoot. Anybody interested in getting some exclusive sets of her contact me [email protected]
here are a few other shots of her, not our pix, she won't look glammed up, more teen like when Brian shoots her.
Simone #1
Simone #2
Simone #3
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AMEN! Fuck it. A new hottie turns 18 every day. If you have to question the cost then she is not worth it.Originally posted by DonovanPhillips
Tell the model how much you'll pay. Don't let her dictate to you what you're going to pay her. Tell her, "here's what you'll be paid... take it or leave it" but say it in a nice way so that it doesn't become a challenge.
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I appreciate the advice.
We would be able to shoot any part of her body that we wanted to, as close as we wanted to. I also agree with the "setting your own price" crap. I was thinking about the $100 an hour.
If and when we shoot her, Ill toss some up so you can tell me what you think. Maybe Ill get that pee soup gimmick up too...
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This ass shot (in the red) looks good the other one is nasty, if her ass looks like it looks in the red in these days (current) ill buy em!Originally posted by Mutt
well since this is turning into a picture posting thread, here's a new model we're going to shoot. Anybody interested in getting some exclusive sets of her contact me [email protected]
here are a few other shots of her, not our pix, she won't look glammed up, more teen like when Brian shoots her.
Simone #1
Simone #2
Simone #3
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I agree $150 is a lot of money for her. What happens is some weirdo (who says he is a photog) wants to have some chick naked and for her to pay attention to him. He pays her this crazy rate and now she thinks this is her rate. I got into a war on a modeling forum once , these girls that say they are full time models but all the nude pics they take are published nowhere. I told them, they are not models but paid companions lol. Also if she is telling you what she gets(without mountains of experience), she is going to be difficult.Comment
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Originally posted by DonovanPhillips
Tell the model how much you'll pay. Don't let her dictate to you what you're going to pay her. Tell her, "here's what you'll be paid... take it or leave it" but say it in a nice way so that it doesn't become a challenge.
I usually get by the "no toys" rule by telling them they're an actress filling a part and that toys aren't much bigger than the tampons they put inside themselves every month. That works about 90% of the time.
Here's how I do it. In the phone interview, I explain what I do, how long I've been doing it, give her some URL's to look at if she wishes and offer to give her some phone numbers of other models in case she wants to know what I'm like to work with. I tell her "I pay $150 for a session that runs about 2 to 2.5 hours. You'll get paid on the spot at the end of the session." The next stage is an in person interview (obviously, if it's a local girl, which it is 95% of the time). I take her on a quickie tour of my pay site, where she will see girls using toys. I ask her if she has any problems with toys. IF SHE DOESN'T LIKE THE IDEA, I DON'T ARGUE WITH HER.
Since I will shoot a girl without toys or even finger insertions, I tell her that's okay, but then drop the bomb that she will get more business from me and the industry the more she's available to do, so not using toys may mean fewer call-backs and if I have an exclusive client who wants toys, her name will not even come up.
She is almost certainly not going to change her mind at this time, so there's little point to arguing with her, though I think it's fair to ask her why she feels that way. Frequently, it's just that she doesn't want to be seen posing with something jammed in her pussy, and she's entitled to feel that way.
What I do is wait until the first shoot is well on its way and she is feeling more comfortable and less nervous. She's also had time to consider her marketability in the intervening days as well. Then I bring it up once more, but without ANY pressure: "Are you still feeling the same way about toys or will you give it a try?" and sometimes she'll be more open to it at that point.
One more thing: I always bring a small selection of toys to a shoot (and always in the original packaging!), in case the girl changes her mind, and if she's willing to take a look at what I brought, she will frequently see one that intrigues her. More than once a girl has picked out a toy I thought she would think of as scary or "too big." I'll never forget the 4'10" gal who seemed uninterested in using toys till she saw the selection, and then she chose and used the double-ended dong which I was sure would be her last choice.
Having toys along is also a good idea in case the girl who says she'll do toys forgets to bring hers.SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, then you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60.Comment
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Well said. Looks like $100 a hour to me. Have you seen any nudes? I would pay shit untill I say what she looked like without clothes.Originally posted by AaronM
If you have to question the cost then she is not worth it.Comment
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Originally posted by Sassyass
She is asking for $150 an hour for a soft core (no toys) solo photo shoot.
She has sent a few emails stating that she won't do much else. And if she did a video it would only be with her boyfriend......
Please let me know what you think
She's a cute girl but her worth to your business can only be decided by one person....YOU!
I've worked with some of the biggest shooters in this industry, David Lace (Teen Content Shooter) and J. Stephen Hicks (Penthouse Photographer) and have rarely seen them pay any girl more then $500 for a whole day of shooting - toys included. Of course, these guys are working out of CA and girls are plentiful here so it's not really an issue. If you live in PoDunk Arkansas and don't have no girls to work with or the girls in your neighborhood don't have no teeth then this girl might very well be worth $150 an hour to you
$150 an hour is $1200 per day. That would go an awful long way here in CA. You could hire a girl out here that looks better then that girl and shoot her for 3 days for that kind of money and she would stick anything you wanted up that poonanny!
My verdict.....shop around! You can get more for your money
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Letting the model dictate the pay is what amateurs do. She is the commodity item, and the market has a lot more to do with what she's worth than what she thinks she's worth. One reason for working in Portland instead of LA is lots of pretty girls who'll work at relatively low rates and no agencies to fuck around with.
A friend of mine has a theory that when a model tells you "I get $150/hr" what she means is somebody paid her that once. Maybe it was some amateur photographer who wasn't approaching it as a business expense to be minimized, or maybe it was a photographer in a totally different market (magazine photography, for example).
I find that holding the line on what I pay will get me models even in Las Vegas and L.A.! These girls work for me at about half what they are used to getting. Why? As one girl put it, "It was easy work, it took me just a couple hours, and it was $150 I didn't have when I woke up this morning."SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, then you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60.Comment
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Originally posted by UnseenWorld
A friend of mine has a theory that when a model tells you "I get $150/hr" what she means is somebody paid her that once.
That's a great theory - I think I'll adapt it
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GREAT ADVICE!Originally posted by UnseenWorld
Here's how I do it. In the phone interview, I explain what I do, how long I've been doing it, give her some URL's to look at if she wishes and offer to give her some phone numbers of other models in case she wants to know what I'm like to work with. I tell her "I pay $150 for a session that runs about 2 to 2.5 hours. You'll get paid on the spot at the end of the session." The next stage is an in person interview (obviously, if it's a local girl, which it is 95% of the time). I take her on a quickie tour of my pay site, where she will see girls using toys. I ask her if she has any problems with toys. IF SHE DOESN'T LIKE THE IDEA, I DON'T ARGUE WITH HER.
Since I will shoot a girl without toys or even finger insertions, I tell her that's okay, but then drop the bomb that she will get more business from me and the industry the more she's available to do, so not using toys may mean fewer call-backs and if I have an exclusive client who wants toys, her name will not even come up.
She is almost certainly not going to change her mind at this time, so there's little point to arguing with her, though I think it's fair to ask her why she feels that way. Frequently, it's just that she doesn't want to be seen posing with something jammed in her pussy, and she's entitled to feel that way.
What I do is wait until the first shoot is well on its way and she is feeling more comfortable and less nervous. She's also had time to consider her marketability in the intervening days as well. Then I bring it up once more, but without ANY pressure: "Are you still feeling the same way about toys or will you give it a try?" and sometimes she'll be more open to it at that point.
One more thing: I always bring a small selection of toys to a shoot (and always in the original packaging!), in case the girl changes her mind, and if she's willing to take a look at what I brought, she will frequently see one that intrigues her. More than once a girl has picked out a toy I thought she would think of as scary or "too big." I'll never forget the 4'10" gal who seemed uninterested in using toys till she saw the selection, and then she chose and used the double-ended dong which I was sure would be her last choice.
Having toys along is also a good idea in case the girl who says she'll do toys forgets to bring hers.
I'm lucking in the sense that my wife does the stills. Girls tend to feel more comfortable with her. We also never do anything with our models. So we never give off that "creepy we're going to get you alone and screw you" feel. I hear you on the what these girls will do,
I did a shoot with a girl, first time doing a porn. We hooked her up with another girl with more experience and a kid with a 9" dick. in about 5 minutes she was loving that guys dick like it was her only source of air.Last edited by Sassyass; 12-29-2002, 05:36 PM.Comment
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This ass shot (in the red) looks good the other one is nasty, if her ass looks like it looks in the red in these days (current) ill buy em!
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nasty one (shemale ass type of deal) please dont take it personalOriginally posted by Mutt
This ass shot (in the red) looks good the other one is nasty, if her ass looks like it looks in the red in these days (current) ill buy em!
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which shot did her ass look nasty in?
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I remember at my first convention during one of the forums it was said that models should be paid $50-$60 an hour. I remember saying to myself that I wish I was making $50 an hour when I was twenty-two years old.
If any model called me up and told me her rates I would have laughed at her. I pay a model MY RATES.Herschel Savage
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EXACTLY!Originally posted by RocHard
I remember at my first convention during one of the forums it was said that models should be paid $50-$60 an hour. I remember saying to myself that I wish I was making $50 an hour when I was twenty-two years old.
If any model called me up and told me her rates I would have laughed at her. I pay a model MY RATES.
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Well, I'm a father of a girl (now 28), and so I guess I give off a fatherly air which girls trust. I have no trouble getting girls to give me positive refs to applicant models. And I'm sure some girls feel that posing for a female is more "weird" than posing for a guy.Originally posted by Sassyass
GREAT ADVICE!
I'm lucking in the sense that my wife does the stills. Girls tend to feel more comfortable with her. We also never do anything with our models. So we never give off that "creepy we're going to get you alone and screw you" feel. I hear you on the what these girls will do stuff,
I did a shoot with a girl, first time doing a porn. We hooked her up with another girl with more experience and a kid with a 9" dick. in about 5 minutes she was loving that guys dick like it was her only source of air.
As for hardcore, I just go no further than toys and g/g. I don't like working with males with hard-ons at all, so I limit my practice to girls.
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i'm not offended by any comments on models i sell. of course it's nice to get compliments on them because it's good for bizness.
i think her ass looks ok in that photo, i just don't like the tattoo, but we'll shoot around that for clients who don't like tattoos.I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!Comment
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Well might also be the way she is standing that happenes with taller girls, she has a hot face etc.Originally posted by Mutt
i'm not offended by any comments on models i sell. of course it's nice to get compliments on them because it's good for bizness.
i think her ass looks ok in that photo, i just don't like the tattoo, but we'll shoot around that for clients who don't like tattoos.
what type of shoot would she do,
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I think she's open to most stuff solo wise, meaning toys and fingers. Not sure if she's a hardcore boy/girl model or not, Brian who shoots the Wanton Girls content is like UnseenWorld he doesn't like to shoot boy/girl. Solo girl masturbation videos and Sybian ride videos are cool though.
Masturbation videos bore me to tears, but a good Sybian ride video by the right girl can be really hot.I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!Comment
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Originally posted by Mutt
she's cute, looks like one of the girls from OMP, there are tons of them on there who say they don't do toys, just softcore nudes.
A lot of girls who say they won't do this and that in print are open to negotiation. I know girls who are doing hard-core and escorting who in their online ads sound very conservative.SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, then you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60.Comment
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Oh, I think I could show you some masturbation videos that would definitely NOT put you to sleep. Ever seen a girl with a great body laying back against a wall fingering herself, with the camera shooting up from the floor! (Excuse me while I run to the cold showers.)Originally posted by Mutt
I think she's open to most stuff solo wise, meaning toys and fingers. Not sure if she's a hardcore boy/girl model or not, Brian who shoots the Wanton Girls content is like UnseenWorld he doesn't like to shoot boy/girl. Solo girl masturbation videos and Sybian ride videos are cool though.
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True enough..Originally posted by UnseenWorld
Well, I'm a father of a girl (now 28), and so I guess I give off a fatherly air which girls trust. I have no trouble getting girls to give me positive refs to applicant models. And I'm sure some girls feel that posing for a female is more "weird" than posing for a guy.
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I've met this model before, associate of mine did a shoot with her...
http://www.web-legal.com/xtitles/slhtml/25094.html
http://www.web-legal.com/xtitles/slhtml/25095.html
here i am jumping into the action
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You know I probably wouldn't shoot her just 'cause she was telling me what I would have to pay. If she was hot and good in front of the camera I might pay it, but if she comes at me wanting $$$ forget it.Comment
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I have a similar video of the same girl..... Shall we post them both and let the kiddies drool?Originally posted by UnseenWorld
Oh, I think I could show you some masturbation videos that would definitely NOT put you to sleep. Ever seen a girl with a great body laying back against a wall fingering herself, with the camera shooting up from the floor! (Excuse me while I run to the cold showers.)Comment
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We run into models like her all the time. And we won't pay a nickle for them. She is cute, but not that great. And for what little she will do, she is maybe worth $50/hr if that if you were to hire her.Originally posted by Sassyass
She is asking for $150 an hour for a soft core (no toys) solo photo shoot.
She has sent a few emails stating that she won't do much else. And if she did a video it would only be with her boyfriend......
Please let me know what you think
IMO, I wouldn't want to work with a girl with her 'tude anyways.
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Originally posted by pornJester
I've met this model before, associate of mine did a shoot with her...
http://www.web-legal.com/xtitles/slhtml/25094.html
http://www.web-legal.com/xtitles/slhtml/25095.html
here i am jumping into the action
damn
pornjester....you fucking beat me to it....
yes, we did a shoot of her here in my house in south florida. We paid steffanie (she didn't have a stage name back then) $75/hr for 3 hrs. I rattled off 1300 pics in 3 hours all over the house, with about 1100 good images. She was fun to work with. Web-legal is slowly putting up the sets I sent them, check the first two out to see the rest of her.
she's worth $100/hr just work her hard. OMP standard rates are $100 for playboy style...$150 for penthouse with toys.
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Originally posted by AaronM
I have a similar video of the same girl..... Shall we post them both and let the kiddies drool?
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Well, now that I've seen this girl, she's just average, looks too much like a "pro" (not in the best sense of the word) to please my customers, and has some limitations which most of the girls I work with don't impose on me. I wouldn't even pay her my normal rate. I'd probably decline to work with her.SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, then you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60.Comment
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PenetratinP, of all the pics you could have posted you post one where she looks like a tranny
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