No wonder this industry has such a bad reputation

Why won't you answer his questions?

http://www.goodart.org/attack.htm

Truly the tool of the weak. Lots of it going on in here! I give jenny respect for speaking up about this, it is left to everyone else to draw their own conclusions based on the reactions of those on the 'other side' of the argument.

A good GFY piss!

Dont you think if roger had a high chargeback ratio that his processor would 'counsil' him?

I have a similar type model as roger.. and out of my 6000 transactions i have had 1 chargeback. go figure.

LOL

"Why won't you answer his questions?"

... I have answerd his, now I want to get mine answered.

12clicks being against honesty, what a suprise.


Funkmaster, I had been thinking about promoting one of your sites a little, but after seeing your posts in this thread I would never consider it. Ripping off surfers for a quick buck isn't the way you should be thinking anymore.

Oh man, has this thread taken a turn for the funny.

For every sponsor that shaves, there are 100 affiliates that cheat and steal. And 1000 surfers that lie and dodge and have figured out the many many ways to get off without paying for it.

It's all about the numbers, there is nothing else to this.

For those of you who've ever taken an economics class and perhaps made at least a C in it, I'll direct you to the Law of Diminishing Returns and the Law of Averages.

These are not pie in the sky suggestions as to why surfers don't stay around, these are concrete proofs of numbers given a certain situation.

Next we'll talk about Poisson Distribution and how it plays a part in all this if you'd like.

maybe you didn't have the funds not sure I will look into it.

please email me your info and username and pass for some reason you didn't get access.
so I guess you still havn't seen our members section email me and I will give you access
[email protected]

the leader, we have console free links to any of our sites, and if you can send in a decent amount of signups I am more than willing to get a crossbill free signupform especially designed for you and all the others that want to have that ...

.. as of brave jennycards, pornkings posted:

-------
your card must have declined and you got our 404. we don't have xxxpix in our members area did it look like this
www.xxxpix.com if it did you got declined and got our members section with all upsells
--------

... I knew she/he was wrong in the first place when attacking pornkings, so I just took the chance to support roger like I would support anybody else if attacked the wrong way.

what are you trying to say she never got in our memebrs section
she got this www.xxxpix.com not our members section
our members section is great nothing needs fixing join and take a look for yourself.

I'm off to eat be back later

In a word, "NO". Approx 80 to 90% of my traffic comes from search engines. And yes, I am particularily good at this part of the business. Will I share my secrets...why would I? As you will read, no where in my posts am I saying my sites are better...or I get better conversions..in fact I have said the opposite. Again, I reiterate, my point is, if you cheat the customer....you are a thief..,

Do I have something to hide...yes...my marketing techniques. And say I was scamming the customer...(which I don't)..all this would prove is that you shouldn't throw stones in glass houses...but my rant and accusations of other's slimey business tactics would not remain any less true.

And talking about questions, you have still only answered one...the other is still unanswered:

...Is your one day trial 24 hours in length...or does it end at midnight on the day of issue...and if midnight, by whose time zone?

LMAO ok lets put some money where your mouth is.
I will be around or as long as I want to be around.

And we make changes all the time trust me We know what we are doing do you.

No, no ... I DID access your member's section; the password WAS working ... but it stopped working ... maybe because I didn't want to be rebilled $37 and canceled my account after 15 minutes?

By the way ... though some of you might think I am a pussy I do have a dick between my legs

Username: pp-snaremurky

" In a word, "NO". Approx 80 to 90% of my traffic comes from search engines. And yes, I am particularily good at this part of the business. Will I share my secrets...why would I?"

... I didn´t not ask you to share your secrets, I asked you to show me one of your clean domains, where you cuddle and kiss your surfers, where exit console is a no no and where surfers feel home ... but obviously you don´t want to, and I can live with that.

" ...Is your one day trial 24 hours in length...or does it end at midnight on the day of issue...and if midnight, by whose time zone?"

... read above, it´s been answered.

I miss read your post .
we do everything we can to keep our members and convert them.

try us out

Roger.. Your a fucking rock man.. Are you going to Rap this week?


And the more I read KK.. I like her more..

lol

I don't think this should be rocket science...

1) Surfers (should) want a site they like and can afford, that is updated frequently with easy to find, new, on-topic content, and charges them only the pre-agreed price at the pre-agreed times.

2) Webmasters (should) want to send traffic to a sponsor who has sites that surfers want, who doesn't shave hits or cents, and who pays a pre-agreed reasonable amount of their profits ontime everytime.

3) Sponsors (should) want happy surfers and webmasters, and to keep a reasonable amount of the profits for their efforts.

So isn't the answer obvious what the working formula should be?

Send your traffic to an honest company that works hard to create good websites.

simple.

if $37 is a problem to you, then get out of this bussiness !!
$37 is a trip to a good resturant, so would you please stop complaining. Buy a decent hosting, and some fresh content and build a new site if you want to make money.

Original Content sites that do not use endless pop-ups are cool! Soon surfers will demand these type of sites because of the all in one rip off sites that promise everything. Quality over Quanity!

It sure is nice to see honest and
sincere business people like
jennycards and the few others that
have jumped in to help out.

Aways keep these things in mind ....

1. If you think for second that it's a
smart business decision to send your
traffic to the highest bidder, you are
so wrong. Do some homework alot
these guys have public records on
the net like at the FTC for example.

2. I'd be asking myself how they
managed to cough up milions and
millions of dollars in fines for being
dishonest. It would also brother me
that the millions they paid didn't
appear to hurt them any and it's back
to biz with the same scam just refined.

3. We live in a world where the best
offer more time's than not carries the
highest risk of us getting fucked.
"If it's too good to be true, it's not".

I doubt anything I've said is anything
you didn't already know. I've been
watching this massive shell game go
on for over a year. The traffic senders
don't have a lot of options. Even I
can't tell you whose a thief and whose
not.

If I was a traffic sender though I would
look at this way. If a lot of companies
are offering 1-3 times as much as what
the initial sale puts in their pocket then
a red flag would go up. Because it
looks like their competing for losses
which doesn't make sense. And I don't
buy this upsell bullshit excuse.

I would probally take some of my traffic
and send it to the programs that offer
a lot less. To me it means they have
less of a need to fuck you. But that's
just me...

The only sure way to overcome what's
going on is to be the receiver of your
own traffic, have your own sites. A lot
of you guys seem to be friends it sure
would be a lot more profitable.

Anyway Happy New Year to All!

I saw the Lightspeed banner above
my last message so I went to check
them out.

60% of the sale and 60% of any sales
of that member forever.

I really shouldn't to have to spell it out
to you but I will.... a 60/40 deal is an
optimal and fair partnership. They
have a lot less sites, which means
that they have targeted the surfer for
the best case scenerio. And best of all
they aren't as likely to have a steep
overhead to deal with so the likely
hood of you getting fucked by these
guys is nearer to the zero 0 mark than
the 200% one.

Just my opinion , this has been an
unpaid and unsolicted advertisment.
for Lightspeed Cash.

your giving someone respect for making false accusations about our members section and how we conduct business.
Infact I feel we deserve an apology

Like I said if someone thinks they have a better members section than us other than FM lets compare I've seen just about everyone's out there.
we analize everything out there and then we try to make it better.

If you think exclusive content matters your wrong. good content I can understand that matters. you think surfers know if you have exclusive content soon the reality sites will become cookie cutters if they already havn't.

like I've said before we have done it all there is nothing new here that you have brought up and there is a reason why the big sponsors have cookie cutter sites as you call them.

show me a site that converts and retains better with exclusive content and I'll prove you wrong. And show you a cookie cutter site that does better.

people jumping on the band wagon bashing sponsors need to show numbers if you havn't tried us out. you have no room to talk.

we have done the voyour houses which was a reality site and it was live not just a video that got alot of press back in the day when things were new, we have done the amateur sites with live cam girls and exclusive content, the mega site the niche sites...ETC.

now we are launching new niche programs like sunny leone and brittany andrews which will be exclusive content.
will it change the numbers? let me answer that for you NO.

but it will have an apeal that surfers will like and they will join because of the $1 trial for a month. And if they are satisfied they won't cancel.

I can still say we convert the best thru 3rd party tracking and I bet we retain better than most. go figure
http://www.thestatistician.com/03.html

We work hard to give the webmasters the most out of there traffic and we work just as hard to give surfers there money's worth.

I personally think its wrong to charge for a membership upfront or a high $ trial. thats why we give them a month.


ok Fire away

So tell us there sinfulone, who are these mysterious programs you allude to having paid millions in FINES to the ftc?

I'd like you to name at least two.

KK your up don't you ever sleep i thought you were sick.

let me come over and rub vics all over your chest.

Sometime I feel its pointless to try to educate some people like today.. I just don't get it. I wish i had sponsors back in the day tell me how it is. so we wouldn't have to go thru all the trial and errors.
Back when we had to learn it all on our own.

you have worked for a processor so you know what the real deal is.
Its funny how some webmasters think they understand the business without running a company from A-Z.

you had a month to cancel its only $37 after that

If you saw our members section you would have never gotten xxxpix like you posted. you got our fake or 404 members section for some reason.
did you see a girl holding up a note welcoming you with your username?

Check us out again or try us out I'm sure you will be happy with the results

And for all of you who understand and had my back

To: Kimmykim

There's alot more than this when you
start searching the names of people.
I think you'll find at least two out the 40 here.

But Hey what do I know, I'm just a
newbie!


Go ahead and take your pick ---

1: FTC v.XPICS Publishing, Inc., et al. - Complaint
xpicscmp.htm, Search in: Full Website
File size: 25K, Create Date: Jul-24-00 01:01
http://www.ftc.gov/os/2000/07/xpicscmp.htm

2: Communication Concepts Investment, Inc. - CMP
complt.htm, Search in: Full Website
File size: 22K, Create Date: Dec-23-98 16:31
http://www.ftc.gov/os/1998/9812/complt.htm

3: Crescent Publishing Group, Inc.
crescentstlmt.htm, Search in: Full Website
File size: 13K, Create Date: Nov-06-01 10:27
http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2001/11/crescentstlmt.htm

4: Cramming: Mystery Phone Charges
cramming.htm, Search in: Full Website
File size: 13K, Create Date: May-22-02 16:32
http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/conline/pubs/...s/cramming.htm

5: Voice Media Incorporated - CMP
voicemediacmp.htm, Search in: Full Website
File size: 8K, Create Date: Apr-17-01 13:53
http://www.ftc.gov/os/2001/04/voicemediacmp.htm

6: Voice Media Incorporated - Complaint
voicemediacmp.htm, Search in: Full Website
File size: 9K, Create Date: May-25-01 10:24
http://www.ftc.gov/os/2001/05/voicemediacmp.htm

7: Charlo Barbosa, B.C. Ltd.
pornpics.htm, Search in: Full Website
File size: 9K, Create Date: Sep-03-01 02:23
http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2001/08/pornpics.htm

8: Playgirl Web Site Faces FTC Charges - 8/23/00
crescent.htm, Search in: Full Website
File size: 7K, Create Date: May-20-02 11:24
http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2000/08/crescent.htm

9: FTC v. Unknown Parties
7674451775.htm, Search in: Full Website
File size: 13K, Create Date: May-19-99 05:32
http://www.ftc.gov/os/1999/9905/7674451775.htm

10: You´ve Got Spam: How to Can Unwanted Email
inbox.htm, Search in: Full Website
File size: 19K, Create Date: Dec-12-02 11:57
http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/conline/pubs/online/inbox.htm

11: Announced Actions for March 6, 2001
fyi0112.htm, Search in: Full Website
File size: 6K, Create Date: Aug-27-02 14:29
http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2001/03/fyi0112.htm

12: News Releases: August 2001
index.htm, Search in: Full Website
File size: 9K, Create Date: Nov-26-01 15:57
http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2001/08/index.htm

13: Crown Communication Concepts and Investments, Inc.. et al.
crowncom2.htm, Search in: Full Website
File size: 7K, Create Date: May-20-02 11:51
http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2000/03/crowncom2.htm

14: Xpics Publishing, Inc. - 7/24/00
xpicspublishing.htm, Search in: Full Website
File size: 11K, Create Date: May-20-02 11:47
http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2000/07/xpicspublishing.htm

15: Verity International, Ltd. (Verity) - 10/5/00
verity.htm, Search in: Full Website
File size: 12K, Create Date: Aug-27-02 14:28
http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2000/10/verity.htm

16: Companies That Billed Consumers for Adult Videotext Internet Services Settle FTC Charges
integretel.htm, Search in: Full Website
File size: 17K, Create Date: Dec-02-02 15:13
http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2002/11/integretel.htm

17: FTC Attacks E-Mail Scam
audiot10.htm, Search in: Full Website
File size: 6K, Create Date: May-20-02 11:13
http://www.ftc.gov/opa/1999/9905/audiot10.htm

18: Statement of Jodie Bernstein: 02/19/97
audiotex1.htm, Search in: Full Website
File size: 6K, Create Date: Aug-28-98 09:32
http://www.ftc.gov/opa/1997/9702/audiotex1.htm

19: FTC v. Audilotex Connection, Inc., et al.
audiotex.htm, Search in: Full Website
File size: 9K, Create Date: May-20-02 11:47
http://www.ftc.gov/opa/1997/9702/audiotex.htm

20: Fighting Consumer Fraud: The Case Against Cramming
fightingconsumerfraud.htm, Search in: Full Website
File size: 37K, Create Date: Jun-17-99 14:33
http://www.ftc.gov/reports/Fraud/3rd...sumerfraud.htm

21: Speech: Starek - "Unfairness, Internet Advertising and Innovative Remedies"
aaffin.htm, Search in: Full Website
File size: 36K, Create Date: Mar-15-97 00:00
http://www.ftc.gov/speeches/starek/aaffin.htm

22: Unsolicited Commercial Email
unsolicommemail.htm, Search in: Full Website
File size: 59K, Create Date: Apr-26-01 13:51
http://www.ftc.gov/os/2001/04/unsolicommemail.htm

23: Voice Media Incorporated - Ana
voicemediaana.htm, Search in: Full Website
File size: 6K, Create Date: Apr-17-01 13:33
http://www.ftc.gov/os/2001/04/voicemediaana.htm

24: Voice Media Incorporated - Agree
voicemediaagree.htm, Search in: Full Website
File size: 23K, Create Date: Apr-17-01 14:09
http://www.ftc.gov/os/2001/04/voicemediaagree.htm

25: Voice Media Incorporated - Decision Order
voicemediado.htm, Search in: Full Website
File size: 21K, Create Date: May-25-01 10:24
http://www.ftc.gov/os/2001/05/voicemediado.htm

26: FTC v. RJB Telcom, Inc., et al. - Stipulated Final Judgment
rjbstip.htm, Search in: Full Website
File size: 48K, Create Date: Oct-18-01 13:54
http://www.ftc.gov/os/2001/08/rjbstip.htm

27: RJB Telcom, Inc. - Cmp
rjbtelcomcomplaint.htm, Search in: Full Website
File size: 18K, Create Date: Oct-30-00 20:48
http://www.ftc.gov/os/2000/10/rjbtelcomcomplaint.htm

28: FTC v. Interactive Audiotext Services, Inc., etr al.
abc.htm, Search in: Full Website
File size: 26K, Create Date: Apr-23-98 00:00
http://www.ftc.gov/os/1998/9804/abc.htm

29: FTC v. Carlos Pereira, et al. - Certfication
atarizcert.htm, Search in: Full Website
File size: 23K, Create Date: Sep-22-99 06:36
http://www.ftc.gov/os/1999/9909/atarizcert.htm

30: Unsolicited Commercial E-Mail
spamtestimony991103.htm, Search in: Full Website
File size: 33K, Create Date: Jan-19-00 02:24
http://www.ftc.gov/os/1999/9911/spamtestimony991103.htm

31: Media Resources
menu-media.htm, Search in: Full Website
File size: 115K, Create Date: Dec-23-02 12:04
http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/menu-media.htm

32: (Untitled)
caru01.htm, Search in: Full Website
File size: 36K, Create Date: Apr-28-97 00:00
http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/privacy/wkshp...ts2/caru01.htm

33: Comment 008 - Childrens' Advertising Review Unite/Council of Better Business Bureaus
caru.htm, Search in: Full Website
File size: 42K, Create Date: Apr-28-97 00:00
http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/privacy/wkshp...ents2/caru.htm

34: Putting a Lid on Deceptive Spam
spam.htm, Search in: Full Website
File size: 18K, Create Date: Dec-12-02 11:57
http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/conline/features/spam.htm

35: High-Tech Scenario: Modem Redialing
hitech_scenario.htm, Search in: Full Website
File size: 8K, Create Date: Dec-12-02 11:57
http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/conline/audio...h_scenario.htm

36: Break the Chain
pressroom.htm, Search in: Full Website
File size: 9K, Create Date: Jul-19-02 07:50
http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/conline/edcam.../pressroom.htm

37: Cost of Free Adult Content Adds Up
adultalrt.htm, Search in: Full Website
File size: 6K, Create Date: May-22-02 16:32
http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/conline/pubs/.../adultalrt.htm

38: Staff Opinion: Cohn-Ellyatt
ellyatt.htm, Search in: Full Website
File size: 39K, Create Date: Oct-06-99 19:13
http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/adcon/900rule/ellyatt.htm

39: INTERNATIONAL AUDIOTEXT ASSOCIATION
iac1.htm, Search in: Full Website
File size: 35K, Create Date: Mar-15-99 21:37
http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/adcon/900rule/comments2/iac1.htm

40: National Consumers League
ncl1.htm, Search in: Full Website
File size: 51K, Create Date: Mar-16-99 15:06
http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/adcon/900rule/comments2/ncl1.htm

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iF there's anything else I can do for you don't be shy, I'd be glad to help
you out.

T.C.

/me notices my name is not on that list..
/me wipes brow. whew!

what exactly was the point of posting that?
there are some well known.. reputable people on that list.. Just shows me that even honest programs can fall victim of false accusations.

for example RJB.. maxcash.. arnt they like the oldest sponsor in this industry? I have never heard a negative word about them.

In response to KK. She asked for him to name at least two?

Can you do that (as you claim) with, oh, KarupsPC (which costs less than $30/mo, BTW).

You're right in that customers probably don't even understand what "exclusive content" even means, BUT they are not dummies, and if they're seeing content they've seen many times before, they are going to say "Fuck you!" to your $37.

And BTW, I don't think there's a site in the world worth $37/mo, but give me a freebie membership and if I'm blown away I'll come back and say so.

oh sinfulone, did you actually read any of these? or did you just decide to post what appears to be a larger list than it really is?

RJB -- was not fined millions and did not pay millions in fines. Read it.

Voice Media -- was not fined millionsand did not pay millions in fines. Read it.

XPICS -- was not fined millions and did not pay fines of millions. Read it.

Charlo -- was not fined millions and did not pay fines of millions. Read it.

Hell, most of these people were not fined at all, unless you are confusing escrow with a punitive action.

Carlos Perreira? He ever turn up anywhere? Hard to collect from someone that doesn't necessarily exist.

I also find it funny how you've lumped a bunch of audiotext in with the internet stuff. And how you've pulled up the same case in more than one instance but listed it as if it were different.

I guess that goes to show that you can try to make a case for anything.

no prob just shoot me an email but its a dollar for a month just uncheck the cross sales or cancel them before the free trials are up.
Its a $1 trial for a month
http://www.skinnybitches.com/defaultD.php?id=50097527

And if they are really smart they can probably get to see it all for free on the tgp's

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Kimmykim
[B]Oh man, has this thread taken a turn for the funny.

For every sponsor that shaves, there are 100 affiliates that cheat and steal. And 1000 surfers that lie and dodge and have figured out the many many ways to get off without paying for it.

It's all about the numbers, there is nothing else to this.

============================



That's interesting...

If I shaved someone's earning I would
expect them to try to fuck me back so
I miss your point on that one....

If I was an adult surfer and a sponser
butt fucked my credit card for doing
business with them, I would find every
way I could to fuck them back.
again I miss your point.....

Perhaps you place to much importance
on your economic teachings. Maybe
your economics teacher forgot to tell
you that--economist aren't accurate,
it's all bullshit, it's never worked
and it never will, in fact the weather
man is more accurate.

And the Law of Diminishing Returns
and the Law of Averages might apply
to dog food and butt plugs but it has
nothing to do with providing adult
entertainment to an audience.

I do agree with you on one point.
It certainly is all about the numbers
and the more the sponsers short
change the consumers the more
traffic these guys have to send
just so they can eat.


You know something I'm beginning to
like you! Are you pretty?

Peace!

sinbfull, you should try to post in rhimes, maybe it would start making more sense then ...

Just curious does your sig represent your company or who you work for?
because the only ones who can really afford your content are the sponsors your ripping on.
I sure hope Jennycards can afford it.

my sites kicks ass, have awesome retention, and a very low cb/refund percentage.

hell yeah

It represents mine and my partners
company. You should take a little
time and check it out.

I liked what I saw here tonight, you do
care and you have a lot of class. The
programs you offer are solid and
realistic, I looked.

I read that you're going to be in L.A.
New Years. If you have some time let's
get together I'll tell you the reason
why we're here and what we intend
on doing. It could be you we do it with.

my email is [email protected] drop
me a line if you're interested.

liar

I'm not ripping on all the sponsers and
my comments weren't directed toward
you. I looked at your program and
there's nothing wrong it. It's easy to
see why you have high conversions.
I think the way you're going about it
is the right way and an honest way.

We're not here to sell content to
sponsers, we're here to help out this
industry. If you take a look at our
site you'll see that we're a little bit
different.

We may choose a sponser to work
with and if we do that sponser is
going to own a major share of this
market which will be a lot bigger than
it is now.

This thread is great, it's amazing watching all the Idiots saying that cheating is ok..... Some of you are truly pathetic
trying to justify that being a little deceptive is ok??....LMAO, well when it's all said and done, and you rest your head on your pillow, it's only YOU you have to justify to...hahahaha
Some of you who "think" you have a clue, are actually, the clueless ones

"This thread is great, it's amazing watching all the Idiots saying that cheating is ok..."

... who in this thread ever said that cheating is ok ?

LOL this industry lives and dies by the payment processing, thinking anything else is just kidding yourself. It doesn't make a rats ass what you have if no one can pay you for it.

Are you going to be in Vegas?

I'd like to see that too.

Impossible! Haven't you read GFY? Surfers are all evil nutcases who chargeback everything they ever buy! You can't make money off sites with good quality content, a decent price and honest advertising. You must slam them with popups untiil their comps crash! Get them to sign up for 3 day trials that will conveniently rebill at the low rate of $39.99 if the surfer doesn't cancel his 3 day trial within 24 hours! Rape, murder and plunder the surfer, for he is evil incarnate and the spawn of satan!

Man. Quiet is a n00b.

That's the truly sad part. A number of questionable techniques to trick the surfer have been discussed in this thread. But many of the psuedo businessmen on this board think this is all just part of doing business and is fair and just to the consumer....If even a fraction of these practices were used in mainstream business, you would all be screaming bloody hell...

Here's just a few examples...

You join a site because it's a Mature" site. You pay your fee...go to the members area..and 99% of the content is anything but mature....Mainstream equivelent...You pay to go see the movie Harry Potter...they play Star Trek instead...both good movies, but I can guarantee that you will walk out or demand your money back. It doesn't matter if the second movie is good. That's not what you wanted to see.

Trials that need to be cancelled before end of trial: A mainstream equivelent: This would be similar to going to a ski hill and taking out some demos for 3 hours. But in the contract, somewhre on the 3rd page, after a bunch of other legal mumble jumble, there is a clause that says if you don't return them in 2 hours, you are charged full price for the skis. And the contract is not automatically given to you. You need to knock on a door at the back of the shop that says contract.

You rent a car for 2 days. Before the car is given to you, they clearly explain to you that the car needs to be back at XX time, or else you are charged for another day. On adult sites, not even in the T & C's does it ever state if a day is based on 24 hours or end of day...For example, Hustler's sites 1 day trials end at midnight. Try to find that anywhere in their terms. This goes completely against common sense.

Dialers...well there is a mainstream equivelent. It's called lottery scams. You know, the ones that say "dial this number to collect your prize". Unfortunately the number is an overseas number which bills you an outrageous amount per minute.


I'm starting to think that the reason many of you are in this business is because you simply lack the intelligence to make it in the real world.

Sounds great I thought your comments were directed towards us
if we don't meet in LA we can meet in Vegas.
I tried to email you but it bounced back

Are you commenting on what Jennycards said?

If so he was misstaken because we have a ton of content in Mature with the rest of our other content behind it there are just so many old ladies that will posr nude and we are always adding more content.
I don't think you understand what it takes to run a successful paysite since you gave up and now send all your traffic to Danny ash.

But I can say our conversions kick ass, retention is great and chargebacks under 1%

and we are ranked number one on statistcian which is from a mix of traffic from what I understand.

Welcome to the real world..

I bet you fall for all those great deals from mainstream with rebates.
the cell phone is only $99 after you send in your $100 rebate which most people don't.

In everything you purchase there is some deceptive marketing

you think all the fast food chains offer 99 cent deals not knowing your going to upgrade to a supersize for only 50 cents more your crazy.
I can go on and on
do you know what all those small charges are on your phonebill
I bet you pay them all not knowing you don't have to. Etc.

Do you ever buy DVD's from the warehouse or virgin in bold it says $19.95 in small print after you send in your rebate or buy two more movies etc.

Oh and AOL's free 1000 min. CDroms they send out to everyone

these are all forms of deceptive marketing to get you to use there products or there services

Arggghh....
Rebates...these are not deceptive..nothing is hidden from the consumer...they know full well about the offer...try again

.99 cent specials upsells..again not deceptive...the consumer has full disclosure...and if he chooses to upgrade, he knows the price...and he doesn't just get to try the meal for 3 days, or reguritate 24 hours before the end of 3 days or pay for a bigger meal. I personally frequent Wendy's and NEVER supersize...but I know the choice is there...and there's no confusion about what it will cost me

Phone bills...again full disclosure...

DVD's..yep, I agree those are sleazy..

So once again you point to a couple of sleazy operations like DVD's to say...look ma, everyone is doing it....

Nope...everyone is not doing it.

That's the whole point..you guys don't have a fucking clue that people in the normal world don't operate this way. And the few that do...probably less then .01%...does not justify you using underhanded techniques...

This is pointless....and you are making my head hurt....

I've always been amazed by criminals they show on A & E, who are trying to get parolled...but don't have the common sense to understand that what they did was wrong...It's all getting clearer now...