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  • Biggy2
    Confirmed User
    • Feb 2002
    • 1821

    #1

    CCBILL conversions in the shitter

    have yours been, mine have.

    trying to see if this is just me.
  • GrimShawn
    Confirmed User
    • Oct 2002
    • 8120

    #2
    yes

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    • cluck
      Confirmed User
      • Dec 2002
      • 5248

      #3
      Yeah, but I did notice $100 in rebills on one of my accounts today. It's sucking now, but it's probably good that they're doing something about visa regs, etc now than just ignoring it.
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      • DirtyDanza
        Confirmed User
        • Aug 2002
        • 8375

        #4
        yeah way downhill.....
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        • Biggy2
          Confirmed User
          • Feb 2002
          • 1821

          #5
          3 for 3, not bad.

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          • CC
            Confirmed User
            • Feb 2001
            • 1690

            #6
            Yup they were in the shitter for me too. So I switched back to iBill for primary and stuck CCBill as my secondary and all is well again (for now, lol).

            Cassie

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            • Rodent
              Confirmed User
              • Mar 2001
              • 1462

              #7
              yes
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              • spooky181
                Confirmed User
                • Jul 2003
                • 2951

                #8
                I use Verotel and my conversions for the last few days have also been in the shitter...

                Spooky

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                • jerryfan2000
                  Registered User
                  • Oct 2002
                  • 79

                  #9
                  signup click drops significantly today. I usually have 70+ of clicks. Today, only 11 so far. 700% of drops.

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                  • Biggy2
                    Confirmed User
                    • Feb 2002
                    • 1821

                    #10
                    Originally posted by jerryfan2000
                    signup click drops significantly today. I usually have 70+ of clicks. Today, only 11 so far. 700% of drops.
                    thats not a lot of clicks to determine it.

                    im talking about my ratio going from 1:450 to 1:4000 and higher ;)
                    prolly CCBILL just scrubbing very hard, hopefully they will lower it soon.

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                    • eadweb
                      Confirmed User
                      • Aug 2002
                      • 196

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Biggy2


                      thats not a lot of clicks to determine it.

                      im talking about my ratio going from 1:450 to 1:4000 and higher ;)
                      prolly CCBILL just scrubbing very hard, hopefully they will lower it soon.
                      Yep, My conversions with ccBill have dropped by a factor of 10 as well approx. 1:250 to 1:2500
                      I don't need no stinking sig.

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                      • gornyhuy
                        Chafed.
                        • May 2002
                        • 18041

                        #12
                        This is NOT good.




                        Has there been any comment or official response from CCBILL to anyone?

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                        • EZRhino
                          Confirmed User
                          • Jul 2003
                          • 6258

                          #13

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                          • stocktrader23
                            Let's do some business.
                            • Jan 2003
                            • 18781

                            #14
                            Originally posted by gornyhuy
                            This is NOT good.




                            Has there been any comment or official response from CCBILL to anyone?
                            They keep saying they don't scrub harder at different times. Blah


                            Everyone boycotted ccbill sites at the same time I guess.


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                            • corvette
                              Confirmed User
                              • Oct 2001
                              • 7880

                              #15
                              if anybody sends me account infomation, i can see if there is anything that i can find out.

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                              • candyflip
                                Carpe Visio
                                • Jul 2002
                                • 43069

                                #16
                                I'm at 1:2300 for the month.

                                If lots of people are complaining, what would checking individual accounts do?

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                                • BlackCrayon
                                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                                  • Jun 2003
                                  • 19634

                                  #17
                                  crap, the sites im making all incorporated sponsors who used ccbill, guess its time to rethink that. better have a mixture i suppose...
                                  you don't know you're wearing a leash if you sit by the peg all day..

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                                  • corvette
                                    Confirmed User
                                    • Oct 2001
                                    • 7880

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by candyflip
                                    I'm at 1:2300 for the month.

                                    If lots of people are complaining, what would checking individual accounts do?
                                    I ran a report across the board on account declines during a recent time range and did not see anything abnormal?so it does not seem to be a global issue. If I can look at a specific account that is experiencing an issue, it would help start the ?troubleshooting? process.

                                    I know a few programs that are having an amazing week, but in the interests of prudence, I would be more than happy to check out a poorly performing program once somebody sends me an account to look at.

                                    As much as people may hate to believe it, we are all on the same team here?
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                                    • candyflip
                                      Carpe Visio
                                      • Jul 2002
                                      • 43069

                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by corvett


                                      I ran a report across the board on account declines during a recent time range and did not see anything abnormal?so it does not seem to be a global issue. If I can look at a specific account that is experiencing an issue, it would help start the ?troubleshooting? process.

                                      I know a few programs that are having an amazing week, but in the interests of prudence, I would be more than happy to check out a poorly performing program once somebody sends me an account to look at.

                                      As much as people may hate to believe it, we are all on the same team here?
                                      I hear ya...always curious as to how things operate, and was hoping for a bit more insite. Which you've provided.

                                      You can check mine if you want:
                                      456783

                                      For the month I'm 1:3687 which is quite high compared to what it usually is.

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                                      • Darren
                                        Confirmed User
                                        • Sep 2001
                                        • 5994

                                        #20
                                        We use CCBILL as main and our sales are going through just fine..

                                        Our affiliate backend is run by us, if u guys are affiliates via ccbill then perhaps thats an issue.


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                                        • mikeeee
                                          Registered User
                                          • Jun 2003
                                          • 481

                                          #21
                                          Nothing changed here, still getting good solid signuips everyday, actually even much better than the past 3 months.

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                                          • cyberpod
                                            Confirmed User
                                            • Mar 2003
                                            • 172

                                            #22
                                            This is kind of funny... I am lookign at about 1:700 across all the ccbill sponsors I use. been a good couple months actually.

                                            As for Sunny Dollars, We are at about 1:5000 right now... It was great till like the last couple months then it just fell of the earth!!! WTF???

                                            I just can't believe how bad it really is.

                                            Oh well... guess thats the breaks.
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                                            • rockbear
                                              Confirmed User
                                              • Jul 2003
                                              • 806

                                              #23
                                              I always had a better result with epoch and Ibill than CCbill so I decided to quit the sponsor who used CCbill.

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                                              • PerfectionGirls
                                                Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                • Oct 2002
                                                • 4484

                                                #24
                                                Our conversaion ratio has never been higher, but there has been a lack of consistancy from ccbill. While I totally trust these guys, the recent, nearly everyday problems with there stats and large swings in sign ups have left us scratching our heads.

                                                With our ratios improving so dramatically its hard to put a finger on whats going on. We have improved our ratio with ccbill nearly 30% over the last couple months, dispite the technical problems they have faced. We are with them for the long haul.

                                                What we have noticed is a slight shift in traffic types and paterns that would not be a result of any problems ccbill is having. It seems that "traffic" for whatever reason has gotten a bit smarter and requires more attention and targeting. We have focused on that end of it very hard over the last few months and seen great improvements with our conversion ratio. That does not mean we have not had large swings with ccbill, but it does mean that our overall ratio has still improved as well as our affiliates ratios.. big time! Its very important that a sponsor has an open line of communication with there affiliates so situations like this can be address and fixed. Sometimes its just a matter of a different banner or picture that can make all the difference. Im not trying tp spam here at all so sorry if it is coming accrossed that way. We have been very vocal about our displeasure with ccbill's tech problems over the last couple months. However, I have spent the last few days studying every click we have and there is still an overall LARGE improvement with our ccbill ratios... sales did come in spurts for certain, but they seem to have more then made up for the times that seemed slower.

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                                                • clubsexy
                                                  Confirmed User
                                                  • Jan 2003
                                                  • 1630

                                                  #25
                                                  I think it's still mostly the fact of conversion on the sponsor end. Meaning, if a site sells, it will keep selling, maybe the rates are going up....

                                                  Examples....

                                                  one sponsor was doing 1:300, now is at 1:500
                                                  one was doing 1:1000 and now is 0:5000

                                                  I think it's proportional really.
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                                                    #26
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                                                    • natas
                                                      Confirmed User
                                                      • Mar 2002
                                                      • 3377

                                                      #27
                                                      in the shitter for me, totally.

                                                      started going down towards the end of last month and have been rock bottom ever since...

                                                      I'd never convert less than 1:700 usually EVER, 1:400ish with the good ones, now we're up to 1:2000 with some sponsors, averaging about 1:1500 overall

                                                      thank fuck for rebills

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                                                      • Martin
                                                        "Assassins"
                                                        • Dec 2001
                                                        • 17277

                                                        #28
                                                        All my sponsors are sucking huge balls the last few weeks.

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                                                        • corvette
                                                          Confirmed User
                                                          • Oct 2001
                                                          • 7880

                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by candyflip


                                                          I hear ya...always curious as to how things operate, and was hoping for a bit more insite. Which you've provided.

                                                          You can check mine if you want:
                                                          456783

                                                          For the month I'm 1:3687 which is quite high compared to what it usually is.
                                                          i had a chance to check the program out, spoke to the owner of the program that you are promoting...i suggest you contact him
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                                                          • Suckitbitch
                                                            Confirmed User
                                                            • Jul 2003
                                                            • 278

                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by Biggy2
                                                            have yours been, mine have.

                                                            trying to see if this is just me.


                                                            Totally in the shitter.

                                                            Also, refunds are way up and a few more chargebacks.

                                                            I have a 90 day recurring subscription for a site and went to cancel it and it was "removed" so I couldn't cancel it even though it was set to rebill and most likely has (my login ID still works).


                                                            This is the response I got;

                                                            "This subscription has been removed from active billing in our database and will not be re-billed. However, your most recent bill on your statement may not necessarily reflect the final charge from the website before your cancellation. You may not have received your statement showing your final billing yet, since our memberships bill in advance for the billing cycle. Please be aware that you are still responsible for any charges made on or before your cancellation date. You will still have access to the site from your final billing to the end of your term."




                                                            If I was joe blow the paying surfer and saw that type of response after doing everything I could to try to cancel the subscription before the rebill you are damn right I would charge it back.

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                                                            • corvette
                                                              Confirmed User
                                                              • Oct 2001
                                                              • 7880

                                                              #31
                                                              Suckitbitch, that response most likely means that your cancellation was processed properly and you should not get rebilled after the date that you canceled the subscription, if you are looking at a credit card statement whose ending date is before your cancellation date, AND a rebill was processed in between that time frame, you might see a charge on your next statement, although the cancellation was processed correctly.

                                                              Not the easiest thing in the world to say concisely, I will see if it can be improved and made clearer. Thank you for bringing this to our attention.

                                                              The reason that you still have access to login may be because you had paid for the access. In other words, usernames aren?t removed when you cancel, but when the subscriptions expire. If you sign up today and get billed for 1 month of access and cancel tomorrow, you will still be able to login for the next month.
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                                                              • uptheyingyang
                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                • May 2003
                                                                • 376

                                                                #32
                                                                well ccbill is still in number position for us and doing OK, but with re: to conversions i have this thought.

                                                                i own about a dozen tgp sites and get about 3000 submissions per day so i have a good "feel" for what the surfer sees re: affiliate programs.

                                                                i would say that close to 80% of the content i'm seeing is VERY similar across the board.

                                                                the market seems heavily saturated in the areas of facial cumshot sfuff and run-of-the-mill hardcore, most of it of mediocre quality, and some of it of very good technical quality.

                                                                the market is very heavy in what i would call "degrading" themes---sure this kind of stuff will sell to guys that never got laid in high school, and might have a chip on their shoulder against women, but for normal guys this stuff does not sell.

                                                                there is very little innovation, and it looks like most all of the content producers read the same book on "how to produce content". it is a no-brainer to go to bestbuy and buy a dv cam and then go to the corner and give a gal a couple hundred to shoot a POV facial video. the first time the surfer sees this it is fun, and he might get out the CC---after 1000 times it does not produce an economic transaction.

                                                                of course there are people that can shoot inventive facial content, i.e. <wifeysworld.com>, etc. but that is a rarity.

                                                                what the surfer is looking for now is quality original content. the affiliiate business model is going to get very tough when 100's of guys are pushing the same content. the sophisticated surfer understands that when he buys a $40/month recurring membership he's paid a premium for the marketing.
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                                                                • galleryseek
                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                  • Mar 2002
                                                                  • 8234

                                                                  #33
                                                                  i'm 1:6,000 with ccbill. no joke.

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                                                                  • Biggy2
                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                    • Feb 2002
                                                                    • 1821

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by corvett
                                                                    Suckitbitch, that response most likely means that your cancellation was processed properly and you should not get rebilled after the date that you canceled the subscription, if you are looking at a credit card statement whose ending date is before your cancellation date, AND a rebill was processed in between that time frame, you might see a charge on your next statement, although the cancellation was processed correctly.

                                                                    Not the easiest thing in the world to say concisely, I will see if it can be improved and made clearer. Thank you for bringing this to our attention.

                                                                    The reason that you still have access to login may be because you had paid for the access. In other words, usernames aren?t removed when you cancel, but when the subscriptions expire. If you sign up today and get billed for 1 month of access and cancel tomorrow, you will still be able to login for the next month.
                                                                    corvett,

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                                                                    • spooky181
                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                      • Jul 2003
                                                                      • 2951

                                                                      #35
                                                                      I posted a reply somewhere above that my conversions with Verotel were in the shitter, but when I see some of these numbers you guys are posting like 1/2500 etc I take it back..

                                                                      I thought my program was going bad going from 1/400 week in week out to 1/650 I feel for you guys that have really droppod off it would be very frustrating. Hopefully CCbill changes their scrub rate soon.

                                                                      Spooky

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                                                                      • shunga
                                                                        Confirmed User
                                                                        • Apr 2001
                                                                        • 994

                                                                        #36
                                                                        There's a regular pattern here with some people seeing a problem and some not. I don't think it's just griping, either. I have the feeling there's something up somewhere, but it's not something that can be identified that easily.
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                                                                        • Suckitbitch
                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                          • Jul 2003
                                                                          • 278

                                                                          #37
                                                                          Originally posted by shunga
                                                                          There's a regular pattern here with some people seeing a problem and some not. I don't think it's just griping, either. I have the feeling there's something up somewhere, but it's not something that can be identified that easily.


                                                                          Shaving somehow? I have a ccbill sponsor that over the summer magically went 1:2000 during big rebill weeks.

                                                                          Weeks where there aren't a lot of rebills pending he went 1:150


                                                                          Pretty neat, considering ccbill is shave proof.

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