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  • TDF
    Triple OG nigga on GFY
    • Mar 2002
    • 27296

    #1

    for those who dont know about kwanzaa

    heres your history lesson..thank me later!


    DEFINITION OF KWANZAA
    Kwanzaa is a unique African American celebration with
    focus on the traditional African values of family,
    community responsibility, commerce, and self-improvement. Kwanzaa is neither
    political nor religious and despite some misconceptions, is not a substitute
    for Christmas.

    It is simply a time of reaffirming African-American people, their ancestors
    and culture. Kwanzaa, which means "first fruits of the harvest" in the
    African
    language Kiswahili, has gained tremendous acceptance.

    Since its founding in 1966 by Dr. Maulana Karenga, Kwanzaa has come to be
    observed by more than18 million people worldwide, as
    reported by the New York Times. When establishing Kwanzaa in 1966, Dr.
    Karenga
    included an additional "a" to the end of the
    spelling to reflect the difference between the African American celebration
    (kwanzaa) and the Motherland spelling (kwanza).

    Kwanzaa is based on the Nguzo Saba (seven guiding principles), one for each
    day of the observance, and is celebrated
    from December 26th to January 1st.
    December 26 - Umoja (OO-MO-JAH)
    Unity stresses the importance of togetherness for the family and the
    community, which is reflected in the African saying, "I am We," or "I am
    because We are."

    December 27 - Kujichagulia (KOO-GEE-CHA-GOO-LEE-YAH)
    Self-Determination requires that we define our common interests and make
    decisions that are in the best interest of our family and community.

    December 28 - Ujima (OO-GEE-MAH)
    Collective Work and Responsibility reminds us of our obligation to the past,
    present and future, and that we have a role to play in the community,
    society, and world.
    December 29 - Ujamaa (OO-JAH-MAH)
    Cooperative economics emphasizes our collective economic strength and
    encourages us to meet common needs through mutual support.

    December 30 - Nia (NEE-YAH)
    Purpose encourages us to look within ourselves and to set personal goals
    that are beneficial to the community.
    Decembe 31 - Kuumba (KOO-OOM-BAH)
    Creativity makes use of our creative energies to build and maintain a strong
    and vibrant community.
    January 1 - Imani (EE-MAH-NEE)
    Faith focuses on honoring the best of our traditions, draws upon the best in
    ourselves, and helps us strive for a higher level of life for humankind, by
    affirming our
    self-worth and confidence in our ability to succeed and triumph in righteous
    struggle.

    CELEBRATING KWANZAA
    As it is always better to get an early start, I suggest that you begin the
    first week in December bymaking a check list for the following items:

    Kinara (candle holder);
    Mkeka(placemat preferably made of straw);
    Mazao (crops,i.e., fruits and vegetables);
    Vibunzi (ears of corn to reflect the number of children in the household);
    Kikombe cha umoja (communal unity cup);
    Mishumaa saba (seven candles, one black, three red, and three green); and
    Zawadi (gifts that are enriching).

    It is important that the Kinara not be confused with the menorah.*

    The Kinara holds seven candles to reflect the seven principles
    which are the foundation of Kwanzaa. If you don't have a Kinara and don't
    know
    where to get one, it is suggested that you use
    "kuumba" (creativity) and make one. A 2x4 or a piece of driftwood will do
    just
    fine, and screw-in candle holders can be purchased in
    most hardware stores. The Mkeka (place mat) shouldn't present a problem.
    While straw is suggested because it is traditional, cloth
    makes an adequate substitute. If cloth is used, one with an African print is
    preferred. The other symbols are easy to come by and warrant no further
    discussion other than to caution against placing the Mazao(crops) in a
    cornucopia which is Western. A plain straw basket or a bowl will do just
    fine. One last note, even households without any children should place an
    ear of corn on the place mat to symbolize the African concept of social
    parenthood.

    All seven symbols are creatively placed on top of the place mat, i.e., the
    symbols should be attractively arranged as they form the Kwanzaa
    centerpiece.

    DECORATING THE HOME
    The Kinara along with the other symbols of Kwanzaa should
    dominate the room, which should be given an African motif. This is easily
    achieved and shouldn't result in too much expense. The colors of Kwanzaa are
    black, red and green.
    This should be kept in mind when decorating the home. Black, red and green
    streamers, balloons, cloth, flowers, and African prints can be hung
    tastefully around the room. Original art and sculpture may be displayed as
    well.

    GIFTS
    Kuumba (creativity) is greatly encouraged. Not only is Kuumba one of the
    seven principles, it also brings a sense of personal satisfaction and puts
    one squarely into the spirit of Kwanzaa. Therefore, those symbols that can
    be made, should be made. The giving of gifts during Kwanzaa should be
    affordable and of an educational or artistic nature. Gifts are usually
    exchanged between parents and children and traditionally given on January
    1st, the last day of
    Kwanzaa. However, gift giving during Kwanzaa may occur at any time.

    THE KWANZAA FEAST OR KARAMU
    The Kwanzaa Karumu is traditionally held on December 31st (participants
    celebrating New
    Year's Eve, should plan their Karamu early in the evening). It is a very
    special event as it is the one Kwanzaa event that brings us closer to our
    African roots. The Karamu is a communal and cooperative effort.
    Ceremonies and cultural expressions are highly encouraged. It is important
    to decorate the place where the Karamu will be held, (e.g., home, community
    center, church) in an
    African motif that utilizes black, red, and green color scheme. A large
    Kwanzaa setting should dominate the room where the karamu will take place.
    A large Mkeka should be placed in the center of the floor where the food
    should be placed creatively and made accessible to all for self-service.
    Prior to and during the feast, an informative and entertaining program
    should be presented.
    Traditionally, the program involved welcoming, remembering, reassessment,
    recommitment and rejoicing, concluded by a farewell statement and a call for
    greater unity.

    Below is a suggested format for the Karamu program, from a model by Dr.
    Karenga.

    Kukaribisha (Welcoming)
    Introductory Remarks and Recognition of Distinguished Guests and All Elders.

    Cultural Expression (Songs, Music, Group Dancing, Poetry, Performances,
    Unity
    Circles)

    Kuumba (Remembering)
    Reflections of a Man, Woman and Child.
    Cultural Expression

    Kuchunguza Tena Na Kutoa Ahadi Tena (Reassessment and Recommitment)
    Introduction of Distinguished Guest Lecturer and Short Talk.

    Kushangilla (Rejoicing)

    Tamshi la Tambiko (Libation Statement)

    It is tradition to pour libation in remembrance of the ancestors on all
    special occasions.

    Kwanzaa, is such an occasion, as it provides us an opportunity to reflect on
    our African past and American present. Water is suggested as it holds the
    essence of life and should be placed in a communal cup and poured in the
    direction of the four winds; north, south, east, and west.

    It should then be passed among family members and guests who may
    either sip from the cup or make a sipping gesture.
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    • TDF
      Triple OG nigga on GFY
      • Mar 2002
      • 27296

      #3
      i fucked Kwanzaa too!
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      • funkmaster
        So Fucking Banned
        • Sep 2001
        • 7938

        #4
        Originally posted by toodamnfli
        heres your history lesson..thank me later!


        DEFINITION OF KWANZAA
        Kwanzaa is a unique African American celebration with
        focus on the traditional African values of family,
        community responsibility, commerce, and self-improvement. Kwanzaa is neither
        political nor religious and despite some misconceptions, is not a substitute
        for Christmas.

        It is simply a time of reaffirming African-American people, their ancestors
        and culture. Kwanzaa, which means "first fruits of the harvest" in the
        African
        language Kiswahili, has gained tremendous acceptance.

        Since its founding in 1966 by Dr. Maulana Karenga, Kwanzaa has come to be
        observed by more than18 million people worldwide, as
        reported by the New York Times. When establishing Kwanzaa in 1966, Dr.
        Karenga
        included an additional "a" to the end of the
        spelling to reflect the difference between the African American celebration
        (kwanzaa) and the Motherland spelling (kwanza).

        Kwanzaa is based on the Nguzo Saba (seven guiding principles), one for each
        day of the observance, and is celebrated
        from December 26th to January 1st.
        December 26 - Umoja (OO-MO-JAH)
        Unity stresses the importance of togetherness for the family and the
        community, which is reflected in the African saying, "I am We," or "I am
        because We are."

        December 27 - Kujichagulia (KOO-GEE-CHA-GOO-LEE-YAH)
        Self-Determination requires that we define our common interests and make
        decisions that are in the best interest of our family and community.

        December 28 - Ujima (OO-GEE-MAH)
        Collective Work and Responsibility reminds us of our obligation to the past,
        present and future, and that we have a role to play in the community,
        society, and world.
        December 29 - Ujamaa (OO-JAH-MAH)
        Cooperative economics emphasizes our collective economic strength and
        encourages us to meet common needs through mutual support.

        December 30 - Nia (NEE-YAH)
        Purpose encourages us to look within ourselves and to set personal goals
        that are beneficial to the community.
        Decembe 31 - Kuumba (KOO-OOM-BAH)
        Creativity makes use of our creative energies to build and maintain a strong
        and vibrant community.
        January 1 - Imani (EE-MAH-NEE)
        Faith focuses on honoring the best of our traditions, draws upon the best in
        ourselves, and helps us strive for a higher level of life for humankind, by
        affirming our
        self-worth and confidence in our ability to succeed and triumph in righteous
        struggle.

        CELEBRATING KWANZAA
        As it is always better to get an early start, I suggest that you begin the
        first week in December bymaking a check list for the following items:

        Kinara (candle holder);
        Mkeka(placemat preferably made of straw);
        Mazao (crops,i.e., fruits and vegetables);
        Vibunzi (ears of corn to reflect the number of children in the household);
        Kikombe cha umoja (communal unity cup);
        Mishumaa saba (seven candles, one black, three red, and three green); and
        Zawadi (gifts that are enriching).

        It is important that the Kinara not be confused with the menorah.*

        The Kinara holds seven candles to reflect the seven principles
        which are the foundation of Kwanzaa. If you don't have a Kinara and don't
        know
        where to get one, it is suggested that you use
        "kuumba" (creativity) and make one. A 2x4 or a piece of driftwood will do
        just
        fine, and screw-in candle holders can be purchased in
        most hardware stores. The Mkeka (place mat) shouldn't present a problem.
        While straw is suggested because it is traditional, cloth
        makes an adequate substitute. If cloth is used, one with an African print is
        preferred. The other symbols are easy to come by and warrant no further
        discussion other than to caution against placing the Mazao(crops) in a
        cornucopia which is Western. A plain straw basket or a bowl will do just
        fine. One last note, even households without any children should place an
        ear of corn on the place mat to symbolize the African concept of social
        parenthood.

        All seven symbols are creatively placed on top of the place mat, i.e., the
        symbols should be attractively arranged as they form the Kwanzaa
        centerpiece.

        DECORATING THE HOME
        The Kinara along with the other symbols of Kwanzaa should

        dominate the room, which should be given an African motif. This is easily
        achieved and shouldn't result in too much expense. The colors of Kwanzaa are
        black, red and green.
        This should be kept in mind when decorating the home. Black, red and green
        streamers, balloons, cloth, flowers, and African prints can be hung
        tastefully around the room. Original art and sculpture may be displayed as
        well.

        GIFTS
        Kuumba (creativity) is greatly encouraged. Not only is Kuumba one of the
        seven principles, it also brings a sense of personal satisfaction and puts
        one squarely into the spirit of Kwanzaa. Therefore, those symbols that can
        be made, should be made. The giving of gifts during Kwanzaa should be
        affordable and of an educational or artistic nature. Gifts are usually
        exchanged between parents and children and traditionally given on January
        1st, the last day of
        Kwanzaa. However, gift giving during Kwanzaa may occur at any time.

        THE KWANZAA FEAST OR KARAMU
        The Kwanzaa Karumu is traditionally held on December 31st (participants
        celebrating New
        Year's Eve, should plan their Karamu early in the evening). It is a very
        special event as it is the one Kwanzaa event that brings us closer to our
        African roots. The Karamu is a communal and cooperative effort.
        Ceremonies and cultural expressions are highly encouraged. It is important
        to decorate the place where the Karamu will be held, (e.g., home, community
        center, church) in an
        African motif that utilizes black, red, and green color scheme. A large
        Kwanzaa setting should dominate the room where the karamu will take place.
        A large Mkeka should be placed in the center of the floor where the food
        should be placed creatively and made accessible to all for self-service.
        Prior to and during the feast, an informative and entertaining program
        should be presented.
        Traditionally, the program involved welcoming, remembering, reassessment,
        recommitment and rejoicing, concluded by a farewell statement and a call for
        greater unity.

        Below is a suggested format for the Karamu program, from a model by Dr.
        Karenga.

        Kukaribisha (Welcoming)
        Introductory Remarks and Recognition of Distinguished Guests and All Elders.

        Cultural Expression (Songs, Music, Group Dancing, Poetry, Performances,
        Unity
        Circles)

        Kuumba (Remembering)
        Reflections of a Man, Woman and Child.
        Cultural Expression

        Kuchunguza Tena Na Kutoa Ahadi Tena (Reassessment and Recommitment)
        Introduction of Distinguished Guest Lecturer and Short Talk.

        Kushangilla (Rejoicing)

        Tamshi la Tambiko (Libation Statement)

        It is tradition to pour libation in remembrance of the ancestors on all
        special occasions.

        Kwanzaa, is such an occasion, as it provides us an opportunity to reflect on
        our African past and American present. Water is suggested as it holds the
        essence of life and should be placed in a communal cup and poured in the
        direction of the four winds; north, south, east, and west.

        It should then be passed among family members and guests who may
        either sip from the cup or make a sipping gesture.
        ... it had to be quoted !!!

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        • kmanrox
          aka K-Man
          • Oct 2001
          • 29295

          #5
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          • TDF
            Triple OG nigga on GFY
            • Mar 2002
            • 27296

            #6
            Originally posted by kmanrox
            ... awaiting for pimpdogg to post the history of white hoods and cross burning to celebrate white heritage ...


            we still jump higher though..
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            • jreaka
              Confirmed User
              • Mar 2002
              • 1096

              #7
              Damn! I will sleep easier now knowing this!

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              • Cohen
                Confirmed User
                • Nov 2002
                • 1099

                #8
                And this is your Danish historey lesson - get in touch with your viking-roots


                ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::begin translation::::::::::::::::

                Det er en ældgammel skik at fejre midsommer. Det har danskerne gjort siden Odin og Thors dage. Den 21. eller 22. juni er det sommer-solhverv med årets længste dag, og sankthans aften fejrer vi altid den 23. juni. Det er så sankthans dag den 24. juni. Efter sankthans bliver dagene igen kortere, indtil vi når vinter-solhverv i december.

                Sankt Hans betyder egentlig "den hellige Hans" - og det er selveste Johannes Døberen, der er tale om. Han og Jesus delte året imellem sig, sagde de første kristne i hvert fald. Men når de skriftkloge havde beregnet, at Jesus var født den 25. december, hvorfor har Johannes så ikke fødselsdag den 25. juni? Fordi de skriftkloge udtrykte det anderledes. De sagde, at Jesus var født 6 dage før 1. januar, og Johannes 6 dage før 1. juli, altså 24. juni.

                Ved sankthans er hele naturen fyldt med en kraft, som den har opsuget fra solen på årets længste dage. Sankthans er derfor også glædens fest. I tidligere tider mente de overtroiske, at kraften var nærmest magisk. Sankthansnat indsamlede kloge koner og kloge mænd (datidens læger) mange af de lægeurter, som de skulle bruge i årets løb til at kurere folk med, f.eks. den lilla-klokkede smukke plante fingerbøl (digitalis), som er dødbringende, hvis den indtages i større mængder, men som kunne hjælpe til at styre hjerteproblemer, hvis den blev brugt med let hånd. Lægevidenskaben har overtaget denne visdom. Netop en ekstrakt af fingerbøl indgår i medicin mod hjerteproblemer.

                Mest kendt var sankshansurten (sedum telephium), der, mente man, havde den forunderlige evne, at den kunne varsle menneskers skæbne. I Thy blev den ligefrem kaldt spåblomst, i Sønderjylland levekål og på Fyn lykkeblomst, hvor lykke betyder "skæbne". Ritualet var, at pigen plukkede to sankthansurter, en for sig selv og en for den karl hun havde et godt øje til. Så satte hun urterne fast under en loftsbjælke. Voksede stænglerne nu mod hinanden, var det et godt varsel, men hvis de voksede fra hinanden, måtte hun prøve med et par nye sanskthansurter næste år. Iøvrigt er det hændt mere end én gang, at karlene har listet sig til at sno kæresteplanterne sammen! "Skjæmt" kaldte man det.

                Men det mest forunderlige sankthansnat var det mirakuløse vand i de hellige kilder: Det blev forvandlet til medicin, troede man. Overalt i landet var der sådanne kilder, som man valfartede til. Nogle drak af vandet og andrede vaskede sig i det, og så overnattede man i øvrigt ved kilden. Pudsigt nok drikker danskerne den dag i dag kildevand som aldrig før. I 1985 f.eks. drak den danske befolkning 33 millioner liter! Traditionen med at besøge de rigtige kilder sankthansnat er nu næsten borte - i modsætning til bålene.

                Kildebesøg og bålbrænding hørte nemlig sammen. Man sagde, at "man brændte sankthansblus" eller "glædesblus", og det foregik som regel på et højt punkt, så ilden kunne ses langt borte fra. Skæret fra bålene, som ofte blot var halmknipper sat på stager, var med til at holde alt ondt - hekse og onde magter - væk fra den højtidelige, næsten hellige midsommernat, troede man. Det er det Holger Drachmann skriver om i sidste vers af midsommervisen: "dem vil vi fra livet med glædesblus holde". Imens spillede de lokale spillemænd, og man sang og dansede, de gamle så på og frydede sig og børnene fik lov til at være længe oppe.

                Sankthans heksen, som vi brænder på midsommerbålet, fortsætter den opfattelse, at hekse og onde magter er særligt farlige sankthans aften. Hverken hos jødedommen eller hos kristendommen troede man på hekse i de første tusind år. Det var først i 1200-tallet, at hekseovertroen begyndte at komme ind i billedet, og i de følgende århundreder tog til med rædselsfulde følger for mange kvinder (og mænd) i hele Europa. I Danmark blev den første "heks" brændt på bålet i Stege i 1540, og den sidste officielle heksebrænding fandt sted i 1693. Så sent som i 1722 kom en "heks" dog på bålet i Salling, og i 1897 blev en såkaldt "heks" lynchet i Vendsyssel. Alene i Danmark mistede op mod tusinde "hekse" livet i flammerne. Helt indtil 2. verdenskrig er der eksempler på, at folk med ry som "hekse" blev forfulgt i Danmark.

                Men ellers er der ikke i nogen af de gamle beretninger - eller på de kendte malerier - om sankthans aften noget der tyder på, at man har brændt en heks på bålet. Det er først så sent som i 1920erne og 30erne, at sankthansbålet med heksen bliver et groteks og makabert minde om tidligere tiders heksebrændinger. I Sverige og Norge, hvor man også har midsommer- eller sankthansblus kender man ikke noget til sådanne moderne "heksebrændinger". Det gør man derimod i visse egne af Tyskland og Østrig, hvor man sankthansaften på et bål brænder, hvad man under ét kalder "Hexe" i betydningen "strådukke" klæd ud som et "skræmmevæsen". Det er også fra Tyskland, at ordet "Bloksbjerg" stammer. På tysk hedder det Brocken. Det ligger i Harzen og er områdets højeste top på 1142 m. Ifølge folketroen foregik heksenes forsamling med djævelen på Bloksbjerg enten skærtorsdag, valborgsaften eller sankthansaften.

                Ude omkring i Europa kendes mange forskellige strådukker, der under forskellige navne - Judas f.eks. - og betegnelser er blevet brændt på bålet til forskellige tider af året. Men ingen "rigtige" hekse. I Danmark er det som nævnt først i 1920erne vi møder sankthans heksen. Det er på egnen omkring Kalundborg, hvor mange tyske arbejdere var beskæftiget på skibsværftet under 1. verdenskrig. Måske er det via dem, sankthans heksen er kommet ind i den danske midsommerfest? Det eneste vi imidlertid ved med sikkerhed er, at det er en ny tradition, og at den oprindelig er tysk.

                Selve sankshans bålet - og midsommerfesten - er jo en dejlig tradition at fortsætte. I Sverige har de været så kloge, at de fra 1953 lagde sankthans aften på en fredag. Her brændes ikke bål - det gør man i Sverige den 30.4 på "Vahlborgsmässoafton". Om fredagen danser man om "Midsommarstången" og synger. Og lørdag som er ren helligdag - sover hele Sverige rusen ud, og der festes slet ikke. Men i Danmark har vi til gengæld stadig Holger Drachmanns og P.E. Lange-Müllers smukke midsommervise fra 1885: "Vi elsker vort land...", som for os hører med til en rigtig sankthans aften med bål - med eller uden heks - og fest.
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                • TDF
                  Triple OG nigga on GFY
                  • Mar 2002
                  • 27296

                  #9
                  can someone please translate that into ebonics for me?
                  Sig heil

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                  • 12clicks
                    Too lazy to set a custom title
                    • Jan 2001
                    • 19814

                    #10
                    Originally posted by toodamnfli




                    we still jump higher though..
                    Racist!
                    I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.

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                    • TDF
                      Triple OG nigga on GFY
                      • Mar 2002
                      • 27296

                      #11
                      Originally posted by 12clicks


                      Racist!
                      muslim lover!
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                      • nocostporn
                        Confirmed User
                        • Mar 2002
                        • 5228

                        #12
                        Originally posted by toodamnfli




                        we still jump higher though..

                        if jumping high determined your blackness,how black would YOU be?
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                        • DearAbby
                          Confirmed User
                          • Nov 2002
                          • 979

                          #13
                          Originally posted by toodamnfli

                          ....focus on the traditional African values of family,
                          community responsibility, commerce, and self-improvement.

                          Values, community, responsibility....Ha ah hahahaha !!!!

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                          • FuqALot
                            Confirmed User
                            • Dec 2001
                            • 3817

                            #14
                            Originally posted by toodamnfli
                            we still jump higher though..
                            http://us.imdb.com/Title?0105812 ? :-P

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                            • Probono
                              Confirmed User
                              • Oct 2002
                              • 2731

                              #15
                              I thank you for the explaination. I think any holiday that is designed to build a culture and enhance the family is a great thing.

                              Bravo for Kwanzaa

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                              • Bobby Vicious
                                Confirmed User
                                • Aug 2002
                                • 452

                                #16
                                Can someone please translate this into ebonics for me
                                KILL WHITEY

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                                • katman
                                  Confirmed User
                                  • Sep 2002
                                  • 230

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by jreaka
                                  Damn! I will sleep easier now knowing this!

                                  I don't have fantasies, I live them.

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                                  • TDF
                                    Triple OG nigga on GFY
                                    • Mar 2002
                                    • 27296

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by nocostporn



                                    if jumping high determined your blackness,how black would YOU be?
                                    very very white
                                    Sig heil

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                                    • UnseenWorld
                                      Confirmed User
                                      • May 2001
                                      • 5279

                                      #19
                                      How about KKKwanzaa for racist whites?
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                                      • TDF
                                        Triple OG nigga on GFY
                                        • Mar 2002
                                        • 27296

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by UnseenWorld
                                        How about KKKwanzaa for racist whites?
                                        that will work..or call it Rosewood
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                                        • LUCL0NELY
                                          So Fucking Banned
                                          • Sep 2002
                                          • 1527

                                          #21
                                          ok . how about AZNKLANZAAAAA ?

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                                          • Mr Pheer
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                                            • Dec 2002
                                            • 22082

                                            #22
                                            toodamnfli, thanks for the enlightening post

                                            I had always thought kwanzaa was all about the after-christmas sales so people could buy gifts at 75% off
                                            Last edited by Mr Pheer; 12-26-2002, 02:46 PM.

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                                            • TDF
                                              Triple OG nigga on GFY
                                              • Mar 2002
                                              • 27296

                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by MrPheer
                                              toodamfly, thanks for the enlightening post

                                              I had always thought kwanzaa was all about the after-christmas sales so people could buy gifts at 75% off
                                              i've never heard of after christmas kwanzaa sales...lemme at em!
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                                              • Mr Pheer
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                                                • Dec 2002
                                                • 22082

                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by toodamnfli


                                                i've never heard of after christmas kwanzaa sales...lemme at em!
                                                hehe, just about all of the stores have after-xmas sales

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                                                • Babaganoosh
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                                                  • Nov 2001
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                                                  #25
                                                  Kwanzaa? Who DOESN'T know about it?!? I think we ALL use it to download MP3s. I know I do. I would personally recommend Kwanzaa lite.
                                                  I like pie.

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