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  • Terenzo
    Confirmed User
    • Jan 2002
    • 971

    #1

    Anyone still promoting OXCASH?

    are you still sending large amounts of traffic down there? i am sending 15k uniques a day and ratios suck terribly, but i keep sticking to them due to good past experience, but now it's over a month shitty, i wonder what you guys are doing.

    bangbus dropped from 109 to 244 in alexa so i guess they are missing some significant traffic.
    108
    yes, and i will stick with them
    0%
    16
    yes, but i am considering to drop them
    0%
    21
    no, i dropped them recently
    0%
    28
    no, i dropped them over a month ago
    0%
    43
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  • Dveron
    Confirmed User
    • Dec 2002
    • 2794

    #2
    "good past experience" doesn't pay the bills.
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    • Terenzo
      Confirmed User
      • Jan 2002
      • 971

      #3
      Originally posted by Dveron
      "good past experience" doesn't pay the bills.
      you're damn right but some traditionalists always make irrational decisions
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      • wwwcashmountain
        Confirmed User
        • Dec 2002
        • 194

        #4
        *coughcashmountaincough*




        Robert
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        • Sambuka
          Registered User
          • Sep 2002
          • 500

          #5
          We used to run some of our sites with the same sponsors for ages, even selling certain spots for an entire month to certain sponsors. We TRIPLED our income when one of us spent most of the day just checking stats, finding new good sponsors, making NEW ads. Finding sites that hadn't been over exposed etc etc.

          I believe we promoted oxcash for the first few months and when there signup ratio's started to slide we dropped them and moved onto our other sponsors that were converting better.

          Don't stick with a sponsor because of past experience, thats just silly, its the here and now. If it an't selling now its going to just sell worse as time goes by.

          Sammy

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          • m0rph3us
            Confirmed User
            • Mar 2001
            • 2033

            #6
            i'll buy your backroomfacials/bangbus traffic hit me up.
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            • Ian
              Confirmed User
              • Oct 2002
              • 1259

              #7
              Underexposed.

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              • Crazy_Canuck
                Confirmed User
                • Dec 2002
                • 124

                #8
                And they are down right now too.
                Affiliate area anyway
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                • J.R.
                  WantBoobs.com
                  • Feb 2002
                  • 3479

                  #9
                  There are replacements when you don't like the sponsor
                  that you are using

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                  • FlyingIguana
                    aspiring banker
                    • Mar 2002
                    • 10870

                    #10
                    i used to promote oxcash, and conversion were amazing up until the summer. when they switched up there stats, everything just went to shit. about that time, refunds and chargebacks went through the roof. their members area must have went to shit because the retention before that was excellent.

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                    • asuna
                      Confirmed User
                      • May 2002
                      • 8743

                      #11
                      People read the fine print and found out its not 'real'

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                      • Dax
                        Confirmed User
                        • Apr 2002
                        • 3161

                        #12
                        I still promote them... and I wish that they would ban everyone jumping off the bandwagon.... cuz of what they got cooking ;)

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                        • Terenzo
                          Confirmed User
                          • Jan 2002
                          • 971

                          #13
                          yup, ratios sliding continually from 1:120 (nov 2001) to 1:2800 (dec 2002).
                          i am checking other sponsors, promoting over 20 which each make at least $500 monthly for me, but most suck, amazingly ARS does quite well for me, also topbucks
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                          • FlyingIguana
                            aspiring banker
                            • Mar 2002
                            • 10870

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Terenzo
                            yup, ratios sliding continually from 1:120 (nov 2001) to 1:2800 (dec 2002).
                            i am checking other sponsors, promoting over 20 which each make at least $500 monthly for me, but most suck, amazingly ARS does quite well for me, also topbucks
                            a year ago ars used to convert better than ox cash for me.

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                            • eRock
                              Confirmed User
                              • Apr 2001
                              • 3112

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Crazy_Canuck
                              And they are down right now too.
                              Affiliate area anyway
                              Yup...so are their sites.

                              I liked 'em better when you had to apply to promote their sites. Once they started lettin' every newbie on the planet promote them...ugh. The last 2 months have sucked ass for me w/ them. I'm about to drop them completely myself.
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                              • Thrawn$
                                Confirmed User
                                • Apr 2002
                                • 4596

                                #16
                                It's strange that the click-in are always 50% of the Raw click with oxcash.
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                                • Gutterboy
                                  So Fucking Banned
                                  • Jul 2002
                                  • 4751

                                  #17
                                  Depends on which site you're promoting. A few peeps I know are sticking with OX because they are still getting good ratio's and rebills, but they are all promoting just the mature site.

                                  Damn near everyone I know or have read on the boards whose focus was Bang Bus has left tho.. most weeks or months ago.
                                  Last edited by Gutterboy; 12-21-2002, 10:21 AM.

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                                  • Sly_RJ
                                    Live Hard - Die Hard
                                    • Feb 2002
                                    • 17042

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by Thrawn$
                                    It's strange that the click-in are always 50% of the Raw click with oxcash.
                                    It's also strange that my RAW hits were cut in half after their system "update".

                                    I hear they have some new things beyond the horizon. But who cares anymore?

                                    No forums. No information. Lack of updates.
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                                    • FlyingIguana
                                      aspiring banker
                                      • Mar 2002
                                      • 10870

                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by Gutterboy
                                      Depends on which site you're promoting. A few peeps I know are sticking with OX because they are still getting good ratio's and rebills, but they are all promoting just the mature site.

                                      Damn near everyone I know or have read on the boards whose focus was Bang Bus has left tho.. most weeks or months ago.
                                      i've found ratios on their mature site to be below average with below average retention. but i've never really done well on any mature or milf site

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                                      • inthestars
                                        Registered User
                                        • Sep 2002
                                        • 2021

                                        #20
                                        I recently dropped them.. I went from 1:300 to 0:6000
                                        This, of course, happened after the 'update'. I tried to check stats today and they are not even working..

                                        Their 'mature' site never sold very well for me..

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                                        • Shaggy
                                          Confirmed User
                                          • Jan 2002
                                          • 570

                                          #21
                                          Check out http://www.sexinfinity.net

                                          Free sample movies and deals with mpegs like oxcash does.

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                                          • Terenzo
                                            Confirmed User
                                            • Jan 2002
                                            • 971

                                            #22
                                            i thought things would become better when the wave was over, but while ox traffic sunk, ratios get worse.
                                            i am glad i found ox before bangbus was discussed very hard here on this board, i hope those fuckers who told on every board how great bangbus was learned a little. their're probable the same that posted how easy it is to make money with avs 2 years ago....
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                                            • GoLiaT
                                              Confirmed User
                                              • Mar 2002
                                              • 1130

                                              #23
                                              am i the only one that dont see any hits in the admin ?
                                              "where ever you go..there you are."

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                                              • funkmaster
                                                So Fucking Banned
                                                • Sep 2001
                                                • 7938

                                                #24
                                                ... if you wanna push some traffic through our sites, go ahead and do it ... we still convert !

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                                                • Jakke PNG
                                                  ex-TeenGodFather
                                                  • Nov 2001
                                                  • 20306

                                                  #25
                                                  I never did promote them to begin with
                                                  ..and I'm off.

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                                                  • BlackRain
                                                    Confirmed User
                                                    • May 2002
                                                    • 110

                                                    #26
                                                    I just checked my stats and I get an error on the index page:

                                                    Warning: Failed opening 'stats/handlers/default.inc' for inclusion (include_path='.:include:../include:/usr/local/lib/php') in /usr/home/oxcash/sites/oxcash.com/members/home.htm on line 35
                                                    and on the revenue page:

                                                    Fatal error: Call to a member function on a non-object in /usr/home/oxcash/sites/oxcash.com/members/include/stats/partner/clicks.inc on line 108
                                                    Does this mean Oxcash is dead? It has been this way for a while.

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                                                    • extreme
                                                      Confirmed User
                                                      • Oct 2002
                                                      • 2120

                                                      #27
                                                      mmm, have gotten phperrors for 2 days now, cant even check stats.

                                                      Dont know wtf they're up too.

                                                      And when is the new forum comming ... too hard to install phpBB/whatever?

                                                      Seems like they need a new webmaster...

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                                                      • Socks
                                                        Confirmed User
                                                        • May 2002
                                                        • 8475

                                                        #28
                                                        Are they going to Vegas?

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                                                        • inthestars
                                                          Registered User
                                                          • Sep 2002
                                                          • 2021

                                                          #29
                                                          I doubt that they will be in Vegas, all their reps have disappeared off the web boards, etc..

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                                                          • TDF
                                                            Triple OG nigga on GFY
                                                            • Mar 2002
                                                            • 27296

                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by inthestars
                                                            I doubt that they will be in Vegas, all their reps have disappeared off the web boards, etc..
                                                            their reps are faitherful over at another board
                                                            Sig heil

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                                                            • BlackRain
                                                              Confirmed User
                                                              • May 2002
                                                              • 110

                                                              #31
                                                              Got this message this morning after 3 days without stats:

                                                              Report Temporarily Offline
                                                              I apologize for the inconvenience, but the traffic stats are currently offline. Please use the Revenue stats as well as the processor links to check your sales numbers. I hope to have the traffic numbers back on line very shortly.
                                                              Penn

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                                                              • Terenzo
                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                • Jan 2002
                                                                • 971

                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by BlackRain
                                                                Got this message this morning after 3 days without stats:

                                                                Report Temporarily Offline
                                                                I apologize for the inconvenience, but the traffic stats are currently offline. Please use the Revenue stats as well as the processor links to check your sales numbers. I hope to have the traffic numbers back on line very shortly.
                                                                Penn
                                                                i would like to see every other day in the news what they are up to do. when i read past entries it seems they planned to work every day on their program, but it does not seem..... they dont even seem to notice the downtime...
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                                                                • greentea
                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                  • Mar 2002
                                                                  • 6580

                                                                  #33
                                                                  There are still threads about these people, OXCASH IS DEAD AND HAS BEEN DEAD!


                                                                  Stop sniffing glue already, There dead there stats have not worked in ages. They dont give a fuck about you guys, there laughing there ass at you guys who are still sending traffic to them.

                                                                  There laughing all the way to the bank and your not

                                                                  Yet people still flock to the masses, only to get slaughtered at the end.
                                                                  blunts

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                                                                  • pennd
                                                                    Registered User
                                                                    • Jul 2002
                                                                    • 79

                                                                    #34
                                                                    This is such a great thread to read about for your own program. I'm feeling the love in this holiday season! The stat problem for our 50/50 program over the weekend should not attract the attention that this thread has given it. We're still working on the clicks for the revshare and pay persignup stats from the weekend, but current stats are working. I'm not just trying to brush aside your concerns, but after all this isn't a program which you are entirely dependant upon the program to tell you how many transactions you're getting. We supply the links to all the processor's stats so that you can check your real numbers from the horses mouth. Everything else we offer you are nice extras to have. All in all - for those of you that are on your game, you already know how much traffic you send and the processor tells you how much you make. For our affiliates that have further concerns, call us, our number is listed within the oxcash site. We are working hard towards some new projects and are excited about what is on the horizon.
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                                                                    • Dax
                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                      • Apr 2002
                                                                      • 3161

                                                                      #35
                                                                      Like I said.. I wished you guys would not let anyone that jumps off and talks shit.. back on...

                                                                      Because is just like everything else... I am yet to hear any of the big boys complain...

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                                                                      • Kasek
                                                                        So Fucking Banned
                                                                        • Apr 2002
                                                                        • 56

                                                                        #36
                                                                        Welcome to my stats:

                                                                        http://www.500galleries.com/bangbus.jpg


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                                                                        • Vlad
                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                          • Dec 2002
                                                                          • 2864

                                                                          #37
                                                                          If somebody have good results of promouting oxcash sites now?

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                                                                          • ldinternet
                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                            • Apr 2001
                                                                            • 8245

                                                                            #38
                                                                            Dropped them over 6 months ago. Some rebills still remain though... not a lot, but every penny counts.

                                                                            I only posted to test this sig, hehehe

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                                                                            • FlyingIguana
                                                                              aspiring banker
                                                                              • Mar 2002
                                                                              • 10870

                                                                              #39
                                                                              Originally posted by Dax
                                                                              Like I said.. I wished you guys would not let anyone that jumps off and talks shit.. back on...

                                                                              Because is just like everything else... I am yet to hear any of the big boys complain...
                                                                              what the fuck is this? sales went to shit and every single one of my rebills in december were either returned or charged back. something is really wrong

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                                                                              • evildick

                                                                                #40
                                                                                I showed one of my sites to my cousin who just has just started using the net, so he had never seen anything like the bangbus before. (He actually asked if it was real).

                                                                                Any way, after clicking through my links to the site he told me he signed up for a trial at the site. Of course, it never showed anything in my revenue stats. For that matter, it doesn't show anything in my stats anymore, not even clicks.

                                                                                If this is any indication as to what is going on across the board at oxcash, it is pretty sad that they are still making money on new sales yet the webmasters see none of it.
                                                                                Last edited by Guest; 12-25-2002, 07:23 AM.

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                                                                                • eadweb
                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                  • Aug 2002
                                                                                  • 196

                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  Originally posted by pennd
                                                                                  This is such a great thread to read about for your own program. I'm feeling the love in this holiday season! The stat problem for our 50/50 program over the weekend should not attract the attention that this thread has given it. We're still working on the clicks for the revshare and pay persignup stats from the weekend, but current stats are working. I'm not just trying to brush aside your concerns, but after all this isn't a program which you are entirely dependant upon the program to tell you how many transactions you're getting. We supply the links to all the processor's stats so that you can check your real numbers from the horses mouth. Everything else we offer you are nice extras to have. All in all - for those of you that are on your game, you already know how much traffic you send and the processor tells you how much you make. For our affiliates that have further concerns, call us, our number is listed within the oxcash site. We are working hard towards some new projects and are excited about what is on the horizon.
                                                                                  What kind of a stupid ass excuse is that! Your program is FUCKED UP! Why don't you just be a man and come out and say so! Your stats do not work and have not for a LONG, LONG time. Uniques are not ALWAYS 50% of raws in the REAL world. Only in YOUR stats!
                                                                                  I don't need no stinking sig.

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                                                                                  • greentea
                                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                                    • Mar 2002
                                                                                    • 6580

                                                                                    #42
                                                                                    Originally posted by pennd
                                                                                    This is such a great thread to read about for your own program. I'm feeling the love in this holiday season! The stat problem for our 50/50 program over the weekend should not attract the attention that this thread has given it. We're still working on the clicks for the revshare and pay persignup stats from the weekend, but current stats are working. I'm not just trying to brush aside your concerns, but after all this isn't a program which you are entirely dependant upon the program to tell you how many transactions you're getting. We supply the links to all the processor's stats so that you can check your real numbers from the horses mouth. Everything else we offer you are nice extras to have. All in all - for those of you that are on your game, you already know how much traffic you send and the processor tells you how much you make. For our affiliates that have further concerns, call us, our number is listed within the oxcash site. We are working hard towards some new projects and are excited about what is on the horizon.


                                                                                    Look at the poll, its quite obvious you guys could give a rats ass about your webmasters.


                                                                                    yes, but i am considering to drop them 19 19.79%
                                                                                    no, i dropped them recently 26 27.08%
                                                                                    no, i dropped them over a month ago 37 38.54%

                                                                                    82 Webmasters you just lost/ been lost..


                                                                                    Oxcash has made so much cash, is that why you dont give a fuck anymore?
                                                                                    blunts

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                                                                                    • Pipecrew
                                                                                      Master of Gfy.com
                                                                                      • Feb 2002
                                                                                      • 14888

                                                                                      #43
                                                                                      Originally posted by Dax
                                                                                      Like I said.. I wished you guys would not let anyone that jumps off and talks shit.. back on...

                                                                                      Because is just like everything else... I am yet to hear any of the big boys complain...
                                                                                      EXACTLY! I wish all programs would do this

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                                                                                      • TheFLY
                                                                                        So Fucking Banned
                                                                                        • Jan 2001
                                                                                        • 11856

                                                                                        #44
                                                                                        I'm still getting rebills -- thank god

                                                                                        I'll have to check oxcash again to see if the tour preferences are back online for the individual models... that killed my ratios I think (and other webmasters that I have talked to) when they removed the tour preferences for the individual models -- all of a sudden none of our banners are pointing to the correct girl...

                                                                                        I have yet to send traffic to the program tho since the epoch change... I guess you can choose the processor with this program -- what do you think is best -- to send to jettis or to epoch?

                                                                                        Anyway I think there is so much passion in this thread because a lot of people were living off of their oxcash signups (myself included -- almost exclusively so) -- and when you go from a steady 1:400 for almost a year? it then things drop to 1:3000 almost overnight (once the VISA shit went down) it's very painful... Ever since my oxcash stats went sour I've been spending all my time testing new sponsors and it hasn't been a fun experience since oxcash allowed me to be so damn lazy before -- I could rig up my tour preferences -- whip up a girl banner in photoshop, and leave that shit up on my site for like 2 months and just chill at the bars and get fucked up every night

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                                                                                        • TheFLY
                                                                                          So Fucking Banned
                                                                                          • Jan 2001
                                                                                          • 11856

                                                                                          #45
                                                                                          Originally posted by Pipecrew


                                                                                          EXACTLY! I wish all programs would do this
                                                                                          Word travels fast on ICQ what converts and what doesn't... If message boards became a liability for free speech -- then they wouldn't be useful -- more shit would be invite only -- and your ass wouldn't be able to spam us 4 free either.

                                                                                          How do you think this board started? AP was hot -- that's why we came here in the first place.

                                                                                          I could almost guarantee you that if oxcash had quality message board software at the height of it's popularity -- GFY would have new competition... The oxcash board was very popular despite all the cgi errors and people whining about bad ratios... That never really happened to Lensman because the click program was what drew in the masses of webmasters... and we were being payed $.04 anyway so why the fuck bash the program on GFY...? If you think about it -- if AP did not have the clickpic program with no conversions required -- GFY would never have got to be so popular.

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                                                                                          • xxxjay
                                                                                            Tube groupie.
                                                                                            • Aug 2002
                                                                                            • 13482

                                                                                            #46
                                                                                            OxCash are honest guys - just suffering from overexposure burnout right now.

                                                                                            THEY NEED A NEW HOT SITE!

                                                                                            I have better traffic than probably anyone who send them traffic because I have them beat for their own sites on the search engines:

                                                                                            http://www.google.com/search?sourcei...q=tranny+trick

                                                                                            http://www.google.com/search?sourcei...ang+bus+videos

                                                                                            And I'm still suckin! 1 in 4,980 - OUCH

                                                                                            FOR ALL YOU GUYS WANT TO BAIL - PLEASE DO - I'M GONNA STICK WITH OXCASH!
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                                                                                            • Dveron
                                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                                              • Dec 2002
                                                                                              • 2794

                                                                                              #47
                                                                                              Originally posted by xxxjay
                                                                                              OxCash are honest guys - just suffering from overexposure burnout right now.

                                                                                              THEY NEED A NEW HOT SITE!

                                                                                              I have better traffic than probably anyone who send them traffic because I have them beat for their own sites on the search engines:

                                                                                              http://www.google.com/search?sourcei...q=tranny+trick

                                                                                              http://www.google.com/search?sourcei...ang+bus+videos

                                                                                              And I'm still suckin! 1 in 4,980 - OUCH

                                                                                              FOR ALL YOU GUYS WANT TO BAIL - PLEASE DO - I'M GONNA STICK WITH OXCASH!
                                                                                              Once you are getting those type of ratios on targeted se traffic it's time to wake up and smell the coffee..
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                                                                                              • FlyingIguana
                                                                                                aspiring banker
                                                                                                • Mar 2002
                                                                                                • 10870

                                                                                                #48
                                                                                                Originally posted by xxxjay
                                                                                                OxCash are honest guys - just suffering from overexposure burnout right now.

                                                                                                THEY NEED A NEW HOT SITE!

                                                                                                I have better traffic than probably anyone who send them traffic because I have them beat for their own sites on the search engines:

                                                                                                http://www.google.com/search?sourcei...q=tranny+trick

                                                                                                http://www.google.com/search?sourcei...ang+bus+videos

                                                                                                And I'm still suckin! 1 in 4,980 - OUCH

                                                                                                FOR ALL YOU GUYS WANT TO BAIL - PLEASE DO - I'M GONNA STICK WITH OXCASH!
                                                                                                i typically convert targeted search engine traffic around 1:100

                                                                                                tgp traffic 1:500

                                                                                                i could send petite traffic to a gay grandfather site and get better ratios than 1:5000

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                                                                                                • xxxjay
                                                                                                  Tube groupie.
                                                                                                  • Aug 2002
                                                                                                  • 13482

                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                  FlyingIguana - god damn - more webmaster dickwaving...how gay!

                                                                                                  I, unlike most of the other fags reading the board, have been to like every one of the past internext shows - I know those guys - those guys are in it for the long haul.
                                                                                                  http://donttellmehowtoruinmylife.com/ - http://www.jmdigitalmarketing.com/my...s-and-reviews/ - http://www.wouldyouhitit.org - http://shinyobjectreviews.com/

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                                                                                                  • FlyingIguana
                                                                                                    aspiring banker
                                                                                                    • Mar 2002
                                                                                                    • 10870

                                                                                                    #50
                                                                                                    Originally posted by xxxjay
                                                                                                    FlyingIguana - god damn - more webmaster dickwaving...how gay!

                                                                                                    I, unlike most of the other fags reading the board, have been to like every one of the past internext shows - I know those guys - those guys are in it for the long haul.
                                                                                                    dickwaving? i could care less, there's people who convert traffic much better than i do.

                                                                                                    1:5k with search engine traffic is just crazy. complete waste of traffic.

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